Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

[Guest guest]

Run their titers and see what they really may need, then you can discuss

what is important. It may be a mute point.

Kerrie

[Guest guest]

I know this is anecdotal but I would like to briefly share my story with

your family. I am 47 years old and when we were children, we received VERY

FEW shots. I think I had about 6 over 11 years or close to that number

anyway. I never received the MMR. When I was 31 years old I went to law

school.

They required the MMR. I was a vibrant, healthy woman, so much so that I

had been teaching dance up until the date I started law school. I also danced

in a summer outdoor historical drama 3 days a week for fun and mad money.

I was only reprimanded for pushing my dance team too much. I was told these

kids 5 and 10 years younger, could not keep up with my pace. However,

after taking the MMR my health DRAMATICALLY went nuts and declined. I

immediately had symptoms I could only describe as severe chronic fatigue,

fibromyalgia, my ovaries then failed, the list goes on. I was checked for a

host of

autoimmune diseases. It is 16 years later and I have only had some relief and

a semblance of a normal life in the past 2 years but still suffer. I have

nothing to point toward this quick and dramatic change in my health except

that shot. So thinking a shot will not harm someone because they are adults

is simply not true. Perhaps not as much neurological but my immune system

and glandular system just went crazy. To add to this, I have an only

daughter. She was too young at the time to have her autism diagnosis but she

was

eventually diagnosed. Therefore, I tend to be one of those who believe in

genetic predisposition with an environmental trigger. Now that I think back,

my Mom had a measles shot when she was pregnant and miscarried and then

miscarried again and was never able to have children after those 2 miscarriages.

This is after 4 successful pregnancies. I see a pattern in our family

regarding this MMR shot. Like I said, my story is just anecdotal but worthy of

consideration. I live this nightmare. In my poor health I care for a

disabled mother (strokes), a child with autism and myself, all alone. It may

sound dramatic but in my gut I sometimes feel like that shot ruined my life.

Not worth it. I would have rather risked the diseases. I would also like

to remind you that your child is 12 and in 6 years can make this decision

regarding their own body. If I were you, would consider asking your husband to

let your children make their decision own decision when they are of age.

They will have to live with the results even more so than you.

[Guest guest]

Most Dans! will tell you they spend a lot of time undoing the Varicella Vax,

this is one I wouldn't get.

Why not get their titers tested? That's an allopathic test he's likely to

believe.

[ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for the

12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and Varicella.

There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they aren't

part of the schedule here.

Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism. I

expect him to listen to them before we talk.

I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is the

last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot be

separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine with

that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool for

allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

Thanks,

Pam

[Guest guest]

But I run the risk of him asking for ALL of them if the titers aren't positive.

I feel like that might do more harm than good. Do you know if the pos titer

rate for 12 yr is the same as those for 6 yr? They toss out numbers like 95%

carry positive titers to vaccines for the kindgergarten shots...

OK. No Varivax.

My guess is the meningitis vax will be a hot one. I'll do some digging.

My husband is going to be pissed off when he hears my kids complain about shots!

I've been very upfront about why they aren't fully vaccinated, and about my

thoughts on Autism. My daughter wrote a story in maybe 2nd grade where her

villian was 'the doctor who gave my brother Autism'. Oops. That didn't go over

well! He thinks I'm filling their head with one sided information.

How did I get to this point, ?

Thanks.

>

> Most Dans! will tell you they spend a lot of time undoing the Varicella Vax,

this is one I wouldn't get.

>

> Why not get their titers tested? That's an allopathic test he's likely to

believe.

>

>

> [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

>

>

>

> I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

>

> My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

>

> This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for the

12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and Varicella.

There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they aren't

part of the schedule here.

>

> Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

>

> I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

>

> I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism. I

expect him to listen to them before we talk.

>

> I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is

the last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot be

separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

>

> I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

>

> Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine with

that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool for

allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

I would ask him what makes him uncomfortable. Also ask him what the rate is,

for vaccinated kids actually getting the diseases despite being vaccinated. Get

copies of the package insert and ask him what is the rate of kids developing

some of the more serious side effects. Ask what can be done to eliminate the

potential side effects, if one or both of your kids develops a side effect.

> This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for the

12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and Varicella.

I don't believe the DTaP diseases are really that problematic in older children,

except maybe tetanus. Ask him what potential serious issues can happen with

older kids who get those diseases. Ask him what a hospital would do for a kid

who developed one of those diseases. Ask what is the rate of serious disease,

and the rate of recovery with modern medicine.

For MMR, be sure to give supplemental vitamin A for at least a month before, and

several months after the shot.

For Varicella, give lysine for at least a month before, and several months after

the shot.

Give vitamin C and selenium for metal issues. You might consider giving daily

Virastop enzyme, to work on live viruses. [Just a note, Enzymedica does not

recommend giving Virastop enzyme within 30 days of having vaccinations, because

it might neutralize the virus/es before the body has a chance to mount a

response to the shot. Which, incidentally, I see as a good thing LOL]

>>There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they

aren't part of the schedule here.

I have not researched meningitis vaccine. For Gardasil, there have been

sooooooooooooo many stories about girls who have become permanently paralyzed

after that vaccine, that I would not allow it for my kids. This would be one of

my " over my dead body " vaccines.

> Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

Best to ask him exactly which vaccines he considers " important " . Then research

them. Look at the ingredients, the potential side effects, the potential

severity of the diseases if developed by older kids, etc.

> I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is the

last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager).

The problem with this, is that the single Tetanus shot has thimerosal.

Check here, click on the manufacturers for the package insert

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

>>Chicken pox can be serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't

really that effective anyway. I might cave on that one.

Give lysine. I have read many stories about kids developing shingles after the

vaccine. Plus, I know several doctors who won't give this vaccine to their own

kids.

>>Tetanus is probably going to be the one he asks for, along with the MMR.

If you decide to allow them, give the supporting supplements, and only agree if

they have the vaccines at least three months apart.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

1. Even if you get " thimerosal-free " vaccines for them, the Tdap and Varicella

contain aluminum. I would have him read this, I have the full text that I can

send if you email me (esoliday@...):

Long-term Persistence of Vaccine-Derived Aluminum Hydroxide is Associated with

Chronic Cognative Dysfunction

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748679

2. Regarding aluminum in the tetanus vaccine:

Macrophagic myofasciitis lesions assess long-term persistence of vaccine-derived

aluminium hydroxide in muscle

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/124/9/1821%20

" History analysis revealed that 50 out of 50 patients had received vaccines

against hepatitis B virus (86%), hepatitis A virus (19%) or tetanus toxoid

(58%), 3–96 months (median 36 months) before biopsy. Diffuse myalgias were more

frequent in patients with than without an MMF lesion at deltoid muscle biopsy (P

< 0.0001). Myalgia onset was subsequent to the vaccination (median 11 months) in

94% of patients. "

3. I have not been able to verify if Dr. Blaylock actually wrote these

recommendations, but they sound reasonable:

http://www.rense.com/general87/vaccin.htm

4. Dr. Blaylock, from an interview:

On Meningitis-

" The HIB vaccine is known to produce immune suppression and some literature

indicates it may actually increase the risk of developing Haemophilus influenza

meningitis. "

On the aluminum adjuvant-

" Aluminum hydroxide at the injection site acts as a source of continued immune

stimulation produces hyper stimulation and this results as a neurological damage

and this can occur as long as eight years after the injection. "

>

> I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

>

> My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

>

> This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for the

12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and Varicella.

There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they aren't

part of the schedule here.

>

> Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

>

> I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

>

> I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism. I

expect him to listen to them before we talk.

>

> I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is the

last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot be

separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

>

> I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

>

> Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine with

that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool for

allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam, Irene here. II can empathize with your situation, and I can see where

you are coming from. We used my husband's family friend as our ped. He was a Big

Pharma old school guy who never met a vax he did not like. My son got every new

shot anything that the CDC recommended plus several Hg containing flu shots by

18 months, plus the usual suspects. After the Hep A shot (loaded with aluminum)

at age one- where my son lost his skills, I knew he had autism in my heart, I

still caved to my dh's pressure and the doc and family and let him get chicken

pox MMR more flu shots etc. Of course the results were disastrous. When I

started doing biomed and seeking out DAN's my dh said this was " quackery " - when

I mentioned chelation, he threatened me with divorce. I just went ahead and did

an AC round and my son told his dad he loved him for the first time on round-

suddenly he was a convert. When it came time for our religious exemption letter-

we argued, but I prevailed. The best advice I can offer is to talk yourself blue

in the face, do as the others responding to your post have recommended- hit him

with facts, studies, titres whatever you can. If he agrees that your child with

autism should not be vaxed- somewhere deep down he has to acknowledge that vaxes

are not safe. Hit him with the idea too that when an adult gets a shot or

medication the doc has to go over contraindications, family history etc before

giving the drug etc- why does this get thrown out the window with kids and one

size fits all? Get all the list of ingredients in each shot- all the risks etc-

just lobby him constantly perhaps you can get through to him. Choosing which

poison to give is really hard- if you have to give in on something, this is an

impossible task- Dana has given you some good advice what to give your kids if

you have to give certain shots- to ameliorate the damage to your other kids. I

feel for- we have some scientists in the family who refuse to concede the evils

of the medical system too- this is a daunting task for sure- but not impossible.

>

> I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

>

> My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

>

> This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for the

12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and Varicella.

There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they aren't

part of the schedule here.

>

> Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

>

> I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

>

> I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism. I

expect him to listen to them before we talk.

>

> I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is the

last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot be

separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

>

> I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

>

> Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine with

that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool for

allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Ask him why no doctor will take the vaccine challenge...

S S

[Guest guest]

He is a physician. As I feel I am putting my child at risk by vaccinating them,

he feels he is putting his children at risk for disease by NOT vaccinating them.

He told me today that, if he were a single parent, he would have ALL of our kids

fully vaccinated despite our son's Autism. At this point, he is leaving that

child out of the discussion.

He wants to research the rate of disease for meningitis, infertility in males

from mumps, complications from chicken pox, etc. I will try to provide the info

you talk about, and ask him to help me find it, too. I think it would be a

mistake for us to approach this as a 'your side vs my side' and am hoping he

will also research the cons.

He has agreed to space them out, and I am certain I could get at least 6 mos in

between.

Operating totally out of character, i am trying to approach this rationally and

not emotionally. It is hard not to just scream and yell (but I did cry), but i

know that will only work against me.

I appreciate you help a lot, Dana.

pam

> > My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

>

>

> I would ask him what makes him uncomfortable. Also ask him what the rate is,

for vaccinated kids actually getting the diseases despite being vaccinated. Get

copies of the package insert and ask him what is the rate of kids developing

some of the more serious side effects. Ask what can be done to eliminate the

potential side effects, if one or both of your kids develops a side effect.

>

>

> > This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for

the 12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and

Varicella.

>

>

> I don't believe the DTaP diseases are really that problematic in older

children, except maybe tetanus. Ask him what potential serious issues can

happen with older kids who get those diseases. Ask him what a hospital would do

for a kid who developed one of those diseases. Ask what is the rate of serious

disease, and the rate of recovery with modern medicine.

>

> For MMR, be sure to give supplemental vitamin A for at least a month before,

and several months after the shot.

>

> For Varicella, give lysine for at least a month before, and several months

after the shot.

>

> Give vitamin C and selenium for metal issues. You might consider giving daily

Virastop enzyme, to work on live viruses. [Just a note, Enzymedica does not

recommend giving Virastop enzyme within 30 days of having vaccinations, because

it might neutralize the virus/es before the body has a chance to mount a

response to the shot. Which, incidentally, I see as a good thing LOL]

>

>

> >>There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they

aren't part of the schedule here.

>

>

> I have not researched meningitis vaccine. For Gardasil, there have been

sooooooooooooo many stories about girls who have become permanently paralyzed

after that vaccine, that I would not allow it for my kids. This would be one of

my " over my dead body " vaccines.

>

>

> > Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

>

>

> Best to ask him exactly which vaccines he considers " important " . Then

research them. Look at the ingredients, the potential side effects, the

potential severity of the diseases if developed by older kids, etc.

>

>

> > I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is

the last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager).

>

>

> The problem with this, is that the single Tetanus shot has thimerosal.

>

> Check here, click on the manufacturers for the package insert

>

> http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

>

>

> >>Chicken pox can be serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't

really that effective anyway. I might cave on that one.

>

>

> Give lysine. I have read many stories about kids developing shingles after

the vaccine. Plus, I know several doctors who won't give this vaccine to their

own kids.

>

>

> >>Tetanus is probably going to be the one he asks for, along with the MMR.

>

>

> If you decide to allow them, give the supporting supplements, and only agree

if they have the vaccines at least three months apart.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Honsestly, and i hate to say this, I think he is willing to put our ASD child at

risk because he knows the fight it will be to vaccinate him and wants to focus

on the other two. He told me he would vaccinate them all if he were a single

parent. I don't understand his motivations and I'm a little scared to push it

because I don't want our ASD son to be part of the discussion.

my family is full of physicians. My dad is a pediatrician. I'm married to an

MD. Brother/sister in law are pediatricians. Sister in law is a veterinarian

and my biggest advocate. love those animal doctors.

Thanks for your story. Inside, I am still saying " Over my dead body " , but I

know that isn't realistic. He has a point, as misinformed and head-in-the-sand

as it is... the general medical opinion is that vaccines protect against deadly

diseases and I am putting my children at risk by not vaccinating.

I am so trying to keep a level head. It is my best chance.

Pam

> >

> > I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

> >

> > My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

> >

> > This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for

the 12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and

Varicella. There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but

they aren't part of the schedule here.

> >

> > Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

> >

> > I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

> >

> > I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism.

I expect him to listen to them before we talk.

> >

> > I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is

the last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot

be separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

> >

> > I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

> >

> > Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine

with that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool

for allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I know what he will say. He is not asking me to shoot my kids up with all

vaccines at once. He is asking me to consider giving select vaccines, based on

risk assessment, split over time. Two totally different situations.

Pam

>

> Ask him why no doctor will take the vaccine challenge...

> S S

>

[Guest guest]

Does he think that harm from dease is grater than harm from the vaccine? In a

long term perspective?

When your child will have a dease, then there are therapies avialiable for

treatment,.

But official medicine doesn't provide treatment for autism and other deases that

come from the mercury in vaccines. Such as cancer, or genetic damage.

I was last time vaccinated in 2005, two years after my son was diagnosed. I am

still affraid to have another baby, because I am not sure whether all those

vaccines that I had before hurt my son during the pregnancy and made his immune

system even more fragile.

 

Can anyone can tell me, is it bad for a baby that mother had vaccines

before getting pregnant? I had measels vaccine in 2005 and in 2008 still had

antibodies to it. I also found antibodies to herpes and CMG recently. I am not

sure if this is bad or good for the future baby, if there is one....

 

Thanks in advance, group.

Asem

 

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:22 PM

 

Well, I know what he will say. He is not asking me to shoot my kids up with all

vaccines at once. He is asking me to consider giving select vaccines, based on

risk assessment, split over time. Two totally different situations.

Pam

>

> Ask him why no doctor will take the vaccine challenge...

> S S

>

[Guest guest]

Oh- that changes things. He is in complete denial. Our ped now is a Russian

woman - who believes in diet and supps and supports us with no vaxing for our

son. However when I intimated that it was heavy metal poisoning- she jumped down

my throat - telling me i am nuts and said for other kids who are not

" genetically vulnerable " - shots are necessary to protect them. They are so

indoctrinated - and to admit that vaxes are poison - requires a hug leap of

faith and a realization that while they operate in good faith perhaps the AMA,

CDC- big pharma etc have an agenda and they are the pawns. I give you credit for

getting him to let you do biomed and recover your asd child. If you have to

give shots - try to limit it to just a couple for what he would consider the

most life threatening- try to give supporting supps. Watch for negative effects.

You at least know what signs to look for and supporting supps to give. You are

correct that if it came to a marital situation - you would lose in a court of

law. I always worried too what would happen too before my dh and family came on

board. Wish I had better advice for you. Keeping my fingers crossed for you and

hoping your husbandhas a revelation some time soon.

> > >

> > > I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

> > >

> > > My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

> > >

> > > This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for

the 12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and

Varicella. There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but

they aren't part of the schedule here.

> > >

> > > Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

> > >

> > > I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

> > >

> > > I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism.

I expect him to listen to them before we talk.

> > >

> > > I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is

the last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot

be separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

> > >

> > > I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

> > >

> > > Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine

with that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool

for allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How about getting their titers tested while he is at work That's what I'd

do, and not tell him if the results weren't what I wanted.

>

> Most Dans! will tell you they spend a lot of time undoing the Varicella Vax,

this is one I wouldn't get.

>

> Why not get their titers tested? That's an allopathic test he's likely to

believe.

>

>

> [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

>

>

>

> I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

>

> My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

>

> This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for the

12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and Varicella.

There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they aren't

part of the schedule here.

>

> Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

>

> I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

>

> I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism. I

expect him to listen to them before we talk.

>

> I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is

the last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot be

separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

>

> I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

>

> Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine with

that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool for

allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

[ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

>

>

>

> I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

>

> My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

>

> This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for the

12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and Varicella.

There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but they aren't

part of the schedule here.

>

> Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

>

> I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

>

> I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism. I

expect him to listen to them before we talk.

>

> I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is

the last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot be

separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

>

> I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

>

> Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine with

that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool for

allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We have tentatively agreed to run titers on the vaccines he feels are most

important (right now that is undetermined) and go from there. I think that is a

reasonable place to start. A positive titer will take the vax off the table

without debate. Cool

i am praying the kids had chicken pox without our knowledge!

thanks,

Pam

> >

> > Most Dans! will tell you they spend a lot of time undoing the Varicella Vax,

this is one I wouldn't get.

> >

> > Why not get their titers tested? That's an allopathic test he's likely to

believe.

> >

> >

> > [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

> >

> >

> >

> > I can't believe I am about to have this conversation:

> >

> > My MD husband has decided that he is uncomfortable with our kids not being

fully vaccinated. He wants to talk to me and come to a compromise about getting

some of the 'more important' vaccines.

> >

> > This involves my 12 and 13 yr olds. Both are fully vaccinated except for

the 12 yr boosters. I believe that means they are missing TdaP, MMR and

Varicella. There is a strongly recommended meningitis vaccine and Guardasil but

they aren't part of the schedule here.

> >

> > Husband seems to be OK with not vaccinating our youngest with Autism. I'm

still planning on making an arguement for not vaccinating the siblings, but I'd

also apprectiate some help on choosing the lesser of the evils if I have to

compromise.

> >

> > I know it is easy to say just put your foot down. I also know this is a

marriage and a family, and keeping it in tact will guarantee more for my kids

than ripping it apart (my guess is a judge would rule in my husband's favor for

shots and I don't want to be divorced anyway). He is also an MD with faith in

his system and training.

> >

> > I've saved the C-SPAN link to the latest Congressional Hearings on Autism.

I expect him to listen to them before we talk.

> >

> > I'm thinking Diptheria and Pertussis aren't worth vaccinating for (when is

the last diptheria case and pertussis isn't deadly to a teenager). MMR cannot be

separated and I won't do the combo (that is right, yes?). Chicken pox can be

serious in older people on rare occasions, but it isn't really that effective

anyway. I might cave on that one. Tetanus is probably going to be the one he

asks for, along with the MMR. Guardasil is untested and I will not do it. The

meningitis vaccine? That was actually the example he used when he approached me

about this over the weekend. Two or 3 kids middle/high schoolers in the area

died from this virus last year or the year before.

> >

> > I had always hoped this day wouldn't come. I feel sick. I thought he was

starting to believe in the whole toxin:neurological disorder link. I guess he

hasn't come far enough. It must be hard to turn against all you believe in

(especially when it is your career).

> >

> > Maybe the replies would be better coming to my private email. I am fine

with that. The emotions will likely run high. Feel free to tell me I am a fool

for allowing him to give any shots (that is how I feel), but I'd also REALLY

appreciate stories about how some of you handled this situation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, absolutely. That is why I am here asking.

Keeping a level head about this has proven to work with him rather than my

initial reaction to scream and cry and accuse.

Pam

>

> Does he think that harm from dease is grater than harm from the vaccine? In a

long term perspective?

[Guest guest]

Hi Boopercat,

I am sorry for your troubles over that damn MMR. I also have had a major

downfall after the MMR. I also had to have it for Grad school, went to a local

dr abd received it willingly. I was a physical ed teacher, coach and active

athlete. After I became gluten intollerant, my throid failed, adrenals failed

and my healthh Tourretts syndrome and that led me to research Autism and

prenatal care for those predisposed genetically. It then dawned on me that the

MMR may have damaged me. I went on to have 3 beautiful children w/ the knowledge

of how dangerous vaccinations could be to them. Two of them have sjight speech

delays and the middle boy has facial ticks when he is nervous. I believe I have

saved their lives by the knowledge I unknowingly discovered, years before. I got

very lucky, but it could have been me just like you with your daughter. I am

sorry you had to go through this. have you tried Andy's way?

>

> I know this is anecdotal but I would like to briefly share my story with

> your family. I am 47 years old and when we were children, we received VERY

> FEW shots. I think I had about 6 over 11 years or close to that number

> anyway. I never received the MMR. When I was 31 years old I went to law

school.

> They required the MMR. I was a vibrant, healthy woman, so much so that I

> had been teaching dance up until the date I started law school. I also danced

> in a summer outdoor historical drama 3 days a week for fun and mad money.

> I was only reprimanded for pushing my dance team too much. I was told these

> kids 5 and 10 years younger, could not keep up with my pace. However,

> after taking the MMR my health DRAMATICALLY went nuts and declined. I

> immediately had symptoms I could only describe as severe chronic fatigue,

> fibromyalgia, my ovaries then failed, the list goes on. I was checked for a

host of

> autoimmune diseases. It is 16 years later and I have only had some relief and

> a semblance of a normal life in the past 2 years but still suffer. I have

> nothing to point toward this quick and dramatic change in my health except

> that shot. So thinking a shot will not harm someone because they are adults

> is simply not true. Perhaps not as much neurological but my immune system

> and glandular system just went crazy. To add to this, I have an only

> daughter. She was too young at the time to have her autism diagnosis but she

was

> eventually diagnosed. Therefore, I tend to be one of those who believe in

> genetic predisposition with an environmental trigger. Now that I think back,

> my Mom had a measles shot when she was pregnant and miscarried and then

> miscarried again and was never able to have children after those 2

miscarriages.

> This is after 4 successful pregnancies. I see a pattern in our family

> regarding this MMR shot. Like I said, my story is just anecdotal but worthy

of

> consideration. I live this nightmare. In my poor health I care for a

> disabled mother (strokes), a child with autism and myself, all alone. It may

> sound dramatic but in my gut I sometimes feel like that shot ruined my life.

> Not worth it. I would have rather risked the diseases. I would also like

> to remind you that your child is 12 and in 6 years can make this decision

> regarding their own body. If I were you, would consider asking your husband

to

> let your children make their decision own decision when they are of age.

> They will have to live with the results even more so than you.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

an alternate vaccine schedule.

Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

are.

Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

vaccine, and it is BAD.

I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

consequences either way.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I would also read : Evidence of Harm by Kirby and A Shot in the

Dark, by Dr. Harry Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher. It is better to educate

yourself than to jump into something you are having doubts about.. look what

happened to all of us..

Corinne

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Haven DeLay

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

an alternate vaccine schedule.

Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

are.

Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

vaccine, and it is BAD.

I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

consequences either way.

[Guest guest]

I would suggest watching DEADLY IMMUNITY before making any decisions. Here are a

few other things to consider and additional resources.

My perfectly healthy son raected to MMR and developed autism.

We will never take another vaccine - the diseases are much safer and

realistically only a short term minor inconvenience these days.

Autism is life long for the entire family.

Best wishes what ever you choose.

=============================================

Subject: VACCINE RESPONSE

Regardless of anyone's *OPINION*, the *FACTS* are CDC has stated VACCINES CAN

CAUSE AUTISM http://tinyurl.com/Vax-Autism1 - and have paid out BILLIONS OF

DOLLARS to vaccine damaged kids and have THOUSANDS on the lawsuit list yet to be

heard.

THIMEROSAL (MERCURY) containing vaccines are well over TOXIC WASTE LEVEL

(250x's) http://tinyurl.com/VaxToxicWaste and expired or spilled vaccines must

be handled by HAZMAT AS TOXIC WASTE. How can you justify direct injection of

TOXIC WASTE into our babies (and adults) and say it is healthy?

Could vaccines explain the high SIDS rate and USA ranking #46 in the world in

INFANT MORTALITY RATE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate Doesn't

this shock you?

The only studies that have ever said vaccines are safe are those conducted by

the Vaccine Manufacturers - EXACTLY what we saw with CIGARETTES and LUNG CANCER.

ALL INDEPENDENT STUDIES WITHOUT TIES TO BIG PHARMA SHOW VACCINES ARE NOT

EFFECTIVE at best and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS at worst.

Please note any scientific studies that show long term safety of multiple

injections of TOXINS and VIRUSES in vaccines. (HINT - there are NONE)

Read KENNEDY's (or watch YouTube video) DEADLY IMMUNITY -

http://tinyurl.com/VaxDeadlyImmunity

Why did scientists acknowledge the link and cover it up by adding in tons of

kids under 2 yrs where they could not be Dx'd with Autism to make the

statistical correlation disappear?

Why do the surveyed unvaccinated population have ZERO autism (actually 1/10,000,

where it was before vaccinations increased)

www.GenerationRescue.com

Read the analysis of the Canadian and Denmark studies that show EXCLUSION OF

AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER (ASD) and inclusion of NON-ASD groups to make

statistical correlations disappear. Plus how the DENMARK SCIENTIST THORSEN

FORGED documents and STOLE 2 MILLION DOLLARS from CDC and disappeared? Yet we

still base our vaccine policy on his input?

Years ago you would have been taught in medical school to prescribe HEROIN,

CIGARETTES, ALCOHOL and THALIDOMIDE - but today we call that insane. When the

real evidence is reviewed, you will find the same pattern with vaccines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin

www.tobacco.org/resources/history/Tobacco_History20-2.html

[Guest guest]

Do the titers on the down low and if they are not favorable, you don't have

to show them. And, you can still use the information to decide which ones

to compromise on.

[Guest guest]

Pam, I am VERY lucky, my husband believes that vaccines are the root of

all evil like myself & so does my Ex-Husband, my son's Father. We are ALL in

agreement to never vaccinate again, thank goodness!

My Ex & his wife are expecting their first child in November, a girl, they

aren't vaccinating at all, they are strongly against it after reading up

on Autism & Vaccines for years & especially after seeing what happened to my

son. They always believed what I had to say & read everything I sent them.

My son hasn't had a vaccine in 9 1/2 years & he has progressed drastically

ever since I stopped. I would never give him another vaccine ever & he

never wants one again either.

Vicki

In a message dated 8/10/2010 5:54:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

phaselow@... writes:

I am a bit surprised that more of us on this group haven't had to deal

with what I'm dealing with. Do you have kids too young for the 12 yr shots or

are your spouses either on board with you are unaware of the vaccination

status?

Pam

[Guest guest]

Thanks, guys.

pam

> >

> > I know this is anecdotal but I would like to briefly share my story with

> > your family. I am 47 years old and when we were children, we received VERY

> > FEW shots. I think I had about 6 over 11 years or close to that number

> > anyway. I never received the MMR. When I was 31 years old I went to law

school.

> > They required the MMR. I was a vibrant, healthy woman, so much so that I

> > had been teaching dance up until the date I started law school. I also

danced

> > in a summer outdoor historical drama 3 days a week for fun and mad money.

> > I was only reprimanded for pushing my dance team too much. I was told these

> > kids 5 and 10 years younger, could not keep up with my pace. However,

> > after taking the MMR my health DRAMATICALLY went nuts and declined. I

> > immediately had symptoms I could only describe as severe chronic fatigue,

> > fibromyalgia, my ovaries then failed, the list goes on. I was checked for a

host of

> > autoimmune diseases. It is 16 years later and I have only had some relief

and

> > a semblance of a normal life in the past 2 years but still suffer. I have

> > nothing to point toward this quick and dramatic change in my health except

> > that shot. So thinking a shot will not harm someone because they are adults

> > is simply not true. Perhaps not as much neurological but my immune system

> > and glandular system just went crazy. To add to this, I have an only

> > daughter. She was too young at the time to have her autism diagnosis but

she was

> > eventually diagnosed. Therefore, I tend to be one of those who believe in

> > genetic predisposition with an environmental trigger. Now that I think

back,

> > my Mom had a measles shot when she was pregnant and miscarried and then

> > miscarried again and was never able to have children after those 2

miscarriages.

> > This is after 4 successful pregnancies. I see a pattern in our family

> > regarding this MMR shot. Like I said, my story is just anecdotal but worthy

of

> > consideration. I live this nightmare. In my poor health I care for a

> > disabled mother (strokes), a child with autism and myself, all alone. It

may

> > sound dramatic but in my gut I sometimes feel like that shot ruined my life.

> > Not worth it. I would have rather risked the diseases. I would also like

> > to remind you that your child is 12 and in 6 years can make this decision

> > regarding their own body. If I were you, would consider asking your husband

to

> > let your children make their decision own decision when they are of age.

> > They will have to live with the results even more so than you.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My nephew developed shingles, likely related to the Varivax at age 2. I would

prefer they had the chicken pox as toddlers, but as far as we know, they didn't.

Both had the first Varivax at 12 months. I also worry that I'll get shingles as

an adult because I am not being exposed to the virus repeatedly over the years.

Shingles as an older adult is horrendous.

We will be running titers once we come to a compromise on which vaccines the

kids will have. If they show positive immunity, those shots are no longer part

of the debate (and he cannot then add another one).

I've read Dr. Cave's book in the past. I can tell you this about my husband:

he needs research. He needs science. He will not respond to theory (believe

me). I'm focusing on digging up the recent research. He has also agreed to

listen to the Congressional Hearings on Autism that occurred last week.

You do not need to convince me about vaccines. I am totally confident in my

decision to NOT vaccinate any further, but I am not the only parent in this

family. I can understand why he feels the way he does and I need to work with

him to come to a reasonable conclusion.

I will definitely go to the NVIP site for that information. I will try to find

the same info from a source like the CDC... since that is what will hold more

clout with him. I am approaching this with quite a bit of strategy, as you can

see! He has a strong bias against 'anti-vaccine' groups and I need to remember

that when I gather my information.

Thanks so much.

Pam (oh, and I've said Guardasil is not up for discussion)

>

> Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

>

> Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

> hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

> so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

> that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

> can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

> won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

>

> Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

> has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

> every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

> an alternate vaccine schedule.

>

> Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

> vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

> much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

> few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> are.

>

> Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

> exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> vaccine, and it is BAD.

>

> I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> consequences either way.

>

>

>