Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 It appears that I have just begun menopause...which is a pretty exciting event! I had a lovely flush (hot flash) and can stay up almost all night (insomnia) and my appetite is substantial. Has anyone read in CORN literature or elsewhere what some natural responses (vitamins, foods, etc.) to menopause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Try several herbs that are supposed to minimize the bad effects of menopause: black cohash, dong quai, a combo of dong quai, chaste tree and damiana (for hot flashes) according to Dr Weil, and eating more soy during the relatively short period that you're in menopause. I wish I had known more about nutrition when I went through it. I had an awful menopause and even was on HRT for years which now of course they no longer recommend. The HRT did nothing for me. I stopped HRT on my own several years ago, and lucky for me have so far not suffered any ill effects. on 5/24/2004 1:50 PM, bernadettepawlik@... at bernadettepawlik@... wrote: > It appears that I have just begun menopause...which is a pretty exciting > event! > > I had a lovely flush (hot flash) and can stay up almost all night (insomnia) > and my appetite is substantial. > > Has anyone read in CORN literature or elsewhere what some natural responses > (vitamins, foods, etc.) to menopause? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 I just read an interesting book by Austad which contains an extensive explanation: Why we age. used maybe 5$. a good read. Regards ----- Original Message ----- From: bernadettepawlik@... Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Menopause It appears that I have just begun menopause...which is a pretty exciting event!I had a lovely flush (hot flash) and can stay up almost all night (insomnia) and my appetite is substantial.Has anyone read in CORN literature or elsewhere what some natural responses (vitamins, foods, etc.) to menopause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 I'm beginning menopause, and I am incredibly tired and have disturbed sleep. While this may not be a CRON issue, I'm wondering if member of this list who are students of nutrition can offer any advice. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Bernie: I'm so glad you asked! I had a most awful menopause and would like to spare any others what I went through. There are many natural remedies (black cohash and other herbs) and foods to eat (yams, tofu which mimic estrogen) and much advice on the web. Dr Weil's website and books gives a good overview of natural remedies. However if you try any of these and don't get relief, do get yourself some antidepressants. This advice, had someone given it to me, could have saved me months (even a couple of years) of misery. I would also highly advise some yoga exercises. Get yourself some free tapes from the library and try them out before buying any. The one I like the best is: " Yoga, mind and body with Ali Magraw " . And remember, it is not fatal, not even permanent, and eventually goes away even if you do nothing. (Although it took in my case, a couple of years to start feeling better). on 2/7/2005 12:40 PM, bernadettepawlik@... at bernadettepawlik@... wrote: > I'm beginning menopause, and I am incredibly tired and have disturbed sleep. > > While this may not be a CRON issue, I'm wondering if member of this list who > are students of nutrition can offer any advice. > > Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Valerian and foods with tryptophan might help.....perhaps black cohosh and soy isoflavones might help with general menopausal symptoms. On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:06:30 -0800 (PST), bernadettepawlik@... <bernadettepawlik@...> wrote: > I'm beginning menopause, and I am incredibly tired and have disturbed > sleep. > > While this may not be a CRON issue, I'm wondering if member of this list > who are students of nutrition can offer any advice. > > Thanks! > ________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Menopause and natural progesterone What is menopause? Menopause is the cessation (end) of menstrual bleeding signalling that estrogen production has fallen to a very low level, preventing the build up and shedding of uterine tissue every month (menstruation). It is the mark of the end of reproduction. The drop in levels of estrogen is due to the inability of the ovaries to manufacture the sex hormones estrogen and progesterone. A woman is never totally deficient of estrogen, although her estrogen levels drop below a point that creates monthly menstrual cycles. In other words, menopause is a marker of ovarian failure, because the body can no longer ripen and mature the remaining follicles into eggs for fertilisation. This happens around about age 50-55, although women are entering menopause much earlier now. It is the follicles within the ovaries that produce the vast majority of estrogen and progesterone which is produced after the ovary has popped (ovulation). Symptoms of Menopause Menopausal symptoms are triggered by the drop of estrogen, and varying in intensity. These are the most common: absence of periods hot flushes / flashes aches and pains - joint, neck, backache dizziness headaches vaginal dryness or itching bladder problems - stress incontinence, other irritations, prone to infections dry and aging skin - loss of elasticity crawling or itching sensations under skin poor sleep patterns - commonly waking 12pm, 2am and 4am foggy thinking emotional changes - anxiety, irritability, depression, loss of self-esteem, lacking confidence, panic attacks, and many more physical exhaustion Easing the Symptoms of Menopause As we age and enter menopause, our hormone levels abruptly change, heralding a degree of discomfort (and risk) for some. But let's state for the record that not every women requires hormone replacement therapy. A vast majority of menopausal problems can be avoided by good nutrition, avoidance of toxins, regular moderate exercise, some lifestyle changes and regular salivary hormone profiles to ensure our hormones continue to fall within an ideal reference range. If you experience any of the symptoms listed above (that are associated with estrogen dominance), then supplementing with natural progesterone cream will certainly help. Progesterone therapy will not cause a woman to go back into monthly cycles if she has truly entered menopause because it is estrogen that creates the monthly cycles not progesterone. The build up of the endometrial tissue is under the influence of estrogen, not progesterone. It is the drop of estrogen that signals menopause and stops your period. A woman can have stopped ovulating, and be infertile many years before her periods stop. Rollins Debbie Wells Hormone Health Natures Way HormoneHealthNW/ www.ineways.com/hormonedivadeb *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Making A Difference http://www.2theheart.com/angels2theheart *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Come Ryze with me! http://www.ryze.com/go/Claygirl --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/157 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/160 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 Bonnie 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, "declares the Lord" "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Post Hysterectomy SyndromeWe are just now beginning to recognize a group of symptoms, which develop about 6 to 9 months following a hysterectomy. Ovaries may or may not have been removed along with the uterus.About 6 to9 months after hysterectomy the woman begins to feel “not so good,” and has a variety of symptoms. These symptoms gradually get worse over the next 3 to 6 months so that about one year later, full-blown picture of Post-Hysterectomy Syndrome develops. Some common symptoms are mood changes, apprehension, anxiety, irritability, depression, lethargy, tiredness, hot flashes, night sweats, day sweats, headaches, dizziness, back ache, joint aches, muscle aches and many others. 30 to 40% of these women have severe symptoms rendering them dysfunctional. More often then not when these women seek treatment they are face with many obstacles, which are usually due to lack of information, both on their own and their physician’s part. These women feel very frustrated and misunderstood. They are told again and again that there is noting wrong with them and that they should feel better soon. These continuous or recurring symptoms make it very difficult for women to be emotionally happy and content and physically feel health and alive.NutritionB-6 and magnesium have an important role for women with PHS. Calcium and magnesium are very important for Post Hysterectomy Syndrome; another important mineral works in conjunction with calcium and magnesium to maximize the effect of these minerals. DLPA is an amino acid especially helpful for OMS and PHS women. It has also been found to be beneficial in reducing inflammation and swelling.GLAGLA—Gamma Linolenic Acid. Its role has been recently recognized in nutrition. Previously it was believed that humans could make their own GLA. Now we are learning that many women have inadequate levels of GLA, resulting in various health problems. GLA in the body is converted to prostaglandin E-1. The balance of prostaglandinE-1 and prostaglandin F is very important because when this balance is lost many of the female problems discussed above usually appear.ExerciseExercise is the thread, which is intricately blended with nutrition and hormones to enhance women’s Total Health. Simplest form of exercise is the centuries old proven “walking.” This upright exercise involves gravity, movement and muscle pull on the bone and thus exerts a very beneficial effect on the overall well-being. It is highly recommended for women with PMS, PHS, Menopause and osteoporosis. Certain stretch exercises especially “Kegel exercises” are highly recommended for Post Hysterectomy syndrome and Menopausal Women. These specific exercises help prevent dryness of the vagina and help increase enjoyment of intercourse at any age. It is important to spend time outdoors when ever possible. Vitamin D in sunlight helps metabolize calcium.Overall, women are encouraged to take responsibility to seek new information and the latest treatment about issues that affect their health and happiness. In the next decade we are going to see many exciting new developments taking place in the area of female hormones, nutrition and exercise. This will enhance the quantity and quality of women’s lives and those they touch.Total Health Nutritional ProgramGood nutritional habits not only help women feel better, but also help them to look better. A proper diet consists of the total balance of foods eaten with variety and moderation.General guidelines are:Increase consumption of fiber in your diet.Our usual American habits do not provide enough fiber, which is essential for metabolism and excretion of certain female hormones. Increasing fiber in the diet also helps stabilize glucose in the blood and also prevents certain types of cancer, especially cancer of the colon.Increase consumption of complex carbohydrates. Both fiber and carbohydrates come from whole grains, cereals, whole wheat bread, oat bran, beans, nuts,seeds, vegetables and fruits.Refined sugars and caffeine should be eliminated.Reduce or eliminate intake of red meat. Red meat interferes with the excretion of hormones and thus causes imbalance of female hormones resulting in many health problems.Restrict dairy products intake.Eat frequently every 3-4 hours and thus keeping a steady glucose supply in the body. 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Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Fabulous! Fetching some is now on my "to-do" list!! Ev You're in good company... lol.. motherwort works great. Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 A friend of mine used Chinese medicine when she went through it and said she had NO symptoms whatsoever. I can't help but think that genes are responsible to some degree, but the herbs I do take (black cohosh, dong quai), I abstain the first week of every month. The sage tea was recommended - as a maximum - twice a week. I used it for 3 or 4 years to wonderful effect, and only had to drink one cup every 6 to 8 weeks! Once it was 10 weeks. This summer the hot flashes ramped up exponentially, but then, I JUST passed my first entire year without menses. So, who knows? Maybe next summer will be lots more "normal"!! Meanwhile - the fan by the bed is pretty much a fixture!! Ev I used an herbal combo for about a year after my hysterectomy and then eased off them. I don’t have any problems related to menopause except for a rare and very mild flash. When they do come around, have a spray bottle nearby and just mist your face with it, combined with a little artificial breeze (fan) it makes instant air conditioning. I still love my fan right by my side of the bed, just for the noise. A body can and does get used to an herb after a while and then it will have no effect. I suggest you switch to another herb all together if the one you are taking no longer works. Always ease off of them when you can, that way there is no rebound either. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I’m sorry to tell you this, Evie, but I didn’t have my first night sweat until almost two years *after* my last period! In fact, I was congratulating myself on how easy menopause was and wondering what the big deal was with people who had horrible symptoms. Oy! Never say never… Since then I’ve had night sweats and hot flashes and, since February, insomnia. I’ve probably averaged 2-4 hours of sleep per night. And this is with trying every holistic remedy/supplement I can find, and even going the allopathic route and getting a prescription for Ambien. That didn’t work either. (But I’m not unhappy about that…I don’t want to be in the medical system anyway.) I’ve pretty much stopped stressing about it, realizing that even if I’m not sleeping, as long as I’m in bed and not stressing I’m still getting rest. Or getting up to read a good book for a couple of hours (I’ve read *lots* more books in the last nine months than usual!)…I try not to get on the computer in the middle of the night, though, because that really wakes me up instead of relaxing me. Motherwort was the first herb I tried and it worked wonderfully…until it didn’t. 8-( Now that I know about sage tea, I’ll try that. Do you just make it from fresh sage leaves? Sharyn, also with a fan by the bed<G> From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of The sage tea was recommended - as a maximum - twice a week. I used it for 3 or 4 years to wonderful effect, and only had to drink one cup every 6 to 8 weeks! Once it was 10 weeks. This summer the hot flashes ramped up exponentially, but then, I JUST passed my first entire year without menses. So, who knows? Maybe next summer will be lots more " normal " !! Meanwhile - the fan by the bed is pretty much a fixture!! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I’m sorry to tell you this, Evie, but I didn’t have my first night sweat until almost two years *after* my last period! In fact, I was congratulating myself on how easy menopause was and wondering what the big deal was with people who had horrible symptoms. Oy! Never say never… ~~~~No kidding! Nah, I knew that passing one year wasn't the "be-all-end-all", but it IS a milestone in the journey. I've been at this transition for 8 years. My friend (she has Gisa's daddy) is 70 and STILL has some hot flashes, though not as often nor as severe. (And don't shoot the messenger!!) Since then I’ve had night sweats and hot flashes and, since February, insomnia. I’ve probably averaged 2-4 hours of sleep per night. Or getting up to read a good book for a couple of hours (I’ve read *lots* more books in the last nine months than usual!) Motherwort was the first herb I tried and it worked wonderfully…until it didn’t. 8-( Now that I know about sage tea, I’ll try that. Do you just make it from fresh sage leaves? Sharyn, also with a fan by the bed<G> ~~~~I wouldn't know whether menopause has created sleep issues, since I've been dealing with that for a lot longer, due to the fibro. But nothing as severe as you seem to be suffering, and I truly wish I knew something to tell you that would just put paid to it. Sleep problems absolutely bite. The sage tea: I grow my own sage, and a great big beautiful plant she is, too! I cut some, dry it (I prefer a paper bag for a week or two, though I suppose you could use a very slow oven), and then make the tea. I pour 1 1/2 to 2 cups of boiling water over about one cup of sage leaves (and stems, but not HUGE ones) in an apothecary jar I can close tightly. The original directions said let it sit for at least 4 hours, I usually gave it the day (around 12 hours). I poured it through some cheesecloth into a cup - you'll lose some of the liquid measure through the process, but should end up with 1 to 1 /12 cups, and chug it right down. It's not a really yummy sipping tea (!!!!), but if you like sage flavor, you'll manage. (DON'T try to sweeten it! yikes!) This, as I said earlier, would carry me through 6 to 8 weeks of sweat-free nights! Until it didn't... Ev "Getting old ain't for sissies." PS - if anyone needs some sage to try this tea (or really for any other reasons!) - I have a fair supply already dried. Tell me where to send it and pay me back for the postage, and I'm happy to send some your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Let’s start a new thread about the fibro…we did just have a short one, but that was before you joined and I didn’t get your input. My 27yo son thinks he may have it…at the acupuncturist he had 14 of the 18 painful points, along with lifelong anxiety and depression. Yes, I’d love some dried sage! You already have my address…and I’ll get a check out to you for the postage as soon as I receive it! (I won’t ask you to use my UPS account again.<VBG>) I do like sage flavor, but if it’s that icky, how about a little honey or a drop or two of stevia?? Or is it just best to chug it as-is? Getting old may not be for sissies, but it sure beats the alternative!<BG> Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of ~~~~I wouldn't know whether menopause has created sleep issues, since I've been dealing with that for a lot longer, due to the fibro. But nothing as severe as you seem to be suffering, and I truly wish I knew something to tell you that would just put paid to it. Sleep problems absolutely bite. The sage tea: I grow my own sage, and a great big beautiful plant she is, too! I cut some, dry it (I prefer a paper bag for a week or two, though I suppose you could use a very slow oven), and then make the tea. I pour 1 1/2 to 2 cups of boiling water over about one cup of sage leaves (and stems, but not HUGE ones) in an apothecary jar I can close tightly. The original directions said let it sit for at least 4 hours, I usually gave it the day (around 12 hours). I poured it through some cheesecloth into a cup - you'll lose some of the liquid measure through the process, but should end up with 1 to 1 /12 cups, and chug it right down. It's not a really yummy sipping tea (!!!!), but if you like sage flavor, you'll manage. (DON'T try to sweeten it! yikes!) This, as I said earlier, would carry me through 6 to 8 weeks of sweat-free nights! Until it didn't... Ev " Getting old ain't for sissies. " PS - if anyone needs some sage to try this tea (or really for any other reasons!) - I have a fair supply already dried. Tell me where to send it and pay me back for the postage, and I'm happy to send some your way. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I guess I'm just and oddball. My mother never had a problem with flashes, or if she did she never said. I would not trade them for the alternative, so just accept them and get on with life. (that's not to put anyone down. It's just my way.) Judith Alta and Oski (Hope you don't mind my including my dog. It's just a habit from being on dog lists.) wrote: A friend of mine used Chinese medicine when she went through it and said she had NO symptoms whatsoever. I can't help but think that genes are responsible to some degree, but the herbs I do take (black cohosh, dong quai), I abstain the first week of every month. The sage tea was recommended - as a maximum - twice a week. I used it for 3 or 4 years to wonderful effect, and only had to drink one cup every 6 to 8 weeks! Once it was 10 weeks. This summer the hot flashes ramped up exponentially, but then, I JUST passed my first entire year without menses. So, who knows? Maybe next summer will be lots more "normal"!! Meanwhile - the fan by the bed is pretty much a fixture!! Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 My mother didn’t either. And she had a hysterectomy in her mid-30s so was catapulted into menopause overnight. Never took HRT for it either… I accept them – don’t have much other choice! But that doesn’t mean I can’t bitch now and then.<G> Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Judith Alta My mother never had a problem with flashes, or if she did she never said. I would not trade them for the alternative, so just accept them and get on with life. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Motherwort is extremely bitter Ev, so plan accordingly J Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:33 AM health Subject: Re: Menopause Fabulous! Fetching some is now on my " to-do " list!! Ev You're in good company... lol.. motherwort works great. Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Next year will be better Ev. The first year was the worst for me. Remember it is a “change” of life, not a “permanent” *giggles* Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:50 AM health Subject: Re: Menopause A friend of mine used Chinese medicine when she went through it and said she had NO symptoms whatsoever. I can't help but think that genes are responsible to some degree, but the herbs I do take (black cohosh, dong quai), I abstain the first week of every month. The sage tea was recommended - as a maximum - twice a week. I used it for 3 or 4 years to wonderful effect, and only had to drink one cup every 6 to 8 weeks! Once it was 10 weeks. This summer the hot flashes ramped up exponentially, but then, I JUST passed my first entire year without menses. So, who knows? Maybe next summer will be lots more " normal " !! Meanwhile - the fan by the bed is pretty much a fixture!! Ev I used an herbal combo for about a year after my hysterectomy and then eased off them. I don’t have any problems related to menopause except for a rare and very mild flash. When they do come around, have a spray bottle nearby and just mist your face with it, combined with a little artificial breeze (fan) it makes instant air conditioning. I still love my fan right by my side of the bed, just for the noise. A body can and does get used to an herb after a while and then it will have no effect. I suggest you switch to another herb all together if the one you are taking no longer works. Always ease off of them when you can, that way there is no rebound either. Janet __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Well we let include Guido, who isn’t even house trained, so your dog is welcome! Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Judith Alta Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:00 AM health Subject: Re: Menopause I guess I'm just and oddball. My mother never had a problem with flashes, or if she did she never said. I would not trade them for the alternative, so just accept them and get on with life. (that's not to put anyone down. It's just my way.) Judith Alta and Oski (Hope you don't mind my including my dog. It's just a habit from being on dog lists.) wrote: A friend of mine used Chinese medicine when she went through it and said she had NO symptoms whatsoever. I can't help but think that genes are responsible to some degree, but the herbs I do take (black cohosh, dong quai), I abstain the first week of every month. The sage tea was recommended - as a maximum - twice a week. I used it for 3 or 4 years to wonderful effect, and only had to drink one cup every 6 to 8 weeks! Once it was 10 weeks. This summer the hot flashes ramped up exponentially, but then, I JUST passed my first entire year without menses. So, who knows? Maybe next summer will be lots more " normal " !! Meanwhile - the fan by the bed is pretty much a fixture!! Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Thanks for posting this, Janet. Serves to remind me that this, too, shall pass….<G> Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Janet Next year will be better Ev. The first year was the worst for me. Remember it is a “change” of life, not a “permanent” *giggles* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 True Sharyn. You all have to realize that if you take something for a long time every day, your body may start to get used to it and it will not be as effective ... Alternate or lay off for a week or two and then start the herb again.. "Sharyn E. Cerniglia" <sharyncern@...> wrote: My mother didn’t either. And she had a hysterectomy in her mid-30s so was catapulted into menopause overnight. Never took HRT for it either… I accept them – don’t have much other choice! But that doesn’t mean I can’t bitch now and then.<G> Sharyn Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Let’s start a new thread about the fibro…we did just have a short one, but that was before you joined and I didn’t get your input. My 27yo son thinks he may have it…at the acupuncturist he had 14 of the 18 painful points, along with lifelong anxiety and depression. ~~~~Two words - malic acid. I think they call it something else now, but they should know what you mean when you go into the HFS. Do NOT take on an empty stomach. After a year or so of taking it, it rather plateau'ed out, so I quit. Haven't backslid, though, and it's not so dreadful (by leagues) anymore. My neck gets tight, and if I make my muscles sore, it may take longer to work it out than most folks, but I walk my dogs, ride my horse, ride my bike, and if I HAVE to, I can stack a mean cord of wood or three.... Yes, I’d love some dried sage! You already have my address…and I’ll get a check out to you for the postage as soon as I receive it! (I won’t ask you to use my UPS account again.<VBG>) ~~~~Okay - I'll get some out to you come Monday - should be enough for 2 or 3 cups of tea, and if we're lucky, it'll last as long for you as it did for me. When it worked, I mean... (And no, let's leave "brown" out of it this time)!!!! I do like sage flavor, but if it’s that icky, how about a little honey or a drop or two of stevia?? Or is it just best to chug it as-is? ~~~~The thing is, it's an extremely (like, MONDO) pungent version of sage, and that just doesn't seem to mix well with sweet. I DID use honey for the first-ever cup I drank, and believe me when I tell you, I did NOT do it again!! woof. Even if you only steep it for the required 4 hours, it's still quite dark, too, so don't let that throw you. Getting old may not be for sissies, but it sure beats the alternative!<BG> Sharyn HAH!! I say that all the time! That, and I fully intend to live an obnoxiously long time, just so I can be a nuisance!!! Ev, terrorist of whippersnappers everywhere.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Thanks, Janet. LOL Judith Alta and Oski Janet wrote: Well we let include Guido, who isn’t even house trained, so your dog is welcome! Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Judith Alta Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:00 AM health Subject: Re: Menopause I guess I'm just and oddball. My mother never had a problem with flashes, or if she did she never said. I would not trade them for the alternative, so just accept them and get on with life. (that's not to put anyone down. It's just my way.) Judith Alta and Oski (Hope you don't mind my including my dog. It's just a habit from being on dog lists.) wrote: A friend of mine used Chinese medicine when she went through it and said she had NO symptoms whatsoever. I can't help but think that genes are responsible to some degree, but the herbs I do take (black cohosh, dong quai), I abstain the first week of every month. The sage tea was recommended - as a maximum - twice a week. I used it for 3 or 4 years to wonderful effect, and only had to drink one cup every 6 to 8 weeks! Once it was 10 weeks. This summer the hot flashes ramped up exponentially, but then, I JUST passed my first entire year without menses. So, who knows? Maybe next summer will be lots more "normal"!! Meanwhile - the fan by the bed is pretty much a fixture!! Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I guess I'm just and oddball.My mother never had a problem with flashes, or if she did she never said. I would not trade them for the alternative, so just accept them and get on with life. (that's not to put anyone down. It's just my way.)Judith Alta and Oski(Hope you don't mind my including my dog. It's just a habit from being on dog lists.) ~~~~Family legend has it that my mother's mother simply had a period one month, and then never did again. (Grandmother was a theater-sort of person, and frankly I think she was simply grandstanding). Sadly, they're all gone now, so the only way to check that would be through the Ouija board, and I've gotten some funky results with that thing, so I generally just sigh and forget about it. I most assuredly will NOT have anything to do with prescription hormone replacement therapy, and if anyone out there has used it to good results, I'm enormously pleased for you. My older sister got on it, and 9 months later she was dead of cancer. I'll just skip it, thanks all the same.... But if I can use some herbs (or homeopathy) to help things out, that's good, too! This summer, I was sweating so profoundly, there were times at the kitchen sink that my glasses looked like I had splashed them with water, while it was simply perspiration RUNNING down my forehead. Plus, it was more like having a few minutes a day when I WASN'T sweating. Yuck, knowhutImean? But it's backed off considerably lately. Could be the magnesium....? Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Motherwort is extremely bitter Ev, so plan accordingly J Janet Does that mean I should take it with candy corn? Puckies. There goes my diet.... Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Next year will be better Ev. The first year was the worst for me. Remember it is a “change” of life, not a “permanent” *giggles* Janet Pfffft! Good thing, too, huh? I don't see my DH putting up with these mood swings for the rest of my obnoxiously long life!!! HAH!! Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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