Re: Early Vaccine Reactions

August 19, 2010

Yes, my son had small, what they call 'soft neurological signs' starting nearly

at birth (HepB on Day 1).

*restless sleeper for first 6 weeks; very restless

*stopped rolling from back to belly at 6 months

*stopped acquiring new words at 12 mos/lost words he had learned

*woke up hysterically crying, multiple times per night, between 12-18 months

(probably reflux).

Then, at about 19 months, he lost eye contact and we thought he went deaf (had

10 vaccines in 3 weeks: Hib, IPV, MMR, DTap, Varivax, pneumococcal). Up until

the development of what you would call Autism, we just saw those other signs but

the social skills stayed typical.

We never saw an immediate reaction to a vaccine that I recall. No fever, no

high pitched crying, no seizure, no rash. The loss of skills or development of

physical problems happened weeks after the shots. They tell me that points to

other factors; to me that points to vaccines even more (something happened after

EVERY round of shots).

I hope that helps.

Pam

>

> I'm new to this board and topic. My daughter has been pretty tough until just

recently. I really think that some of it had to do with her baby shots. How

early did you children start showing reactions to shots and what did they

include? Thanks in advance.

>

August 19, 2010

First let me say, I commend you ladies (and gents) for your fight. I don't think

we are anywhere near autism, but as many have said... " Something happened " after

shots.

This is what we have gone through: My daughter was " fussy " from day one. The

nurses told us she was such a fussy baby (hmm..do babies really come out of the

womb fussy? Maybe Hep. B??), not to mention the diaper rash they let her get.

Breastfeeding didn't go well; she wouldn't latch, milk was great. Anyway I quit

breastfeeding, but relactated in just a few weeks. Someone mentioned a milk

allergy, so I researched and cut dairy for a milk protien allergy. At about 2-3

weeks before 4 months she was a perfect child. Belly issues were down, STTN,

angel baby. Then she got her four month shots and we were back to square one. I

immediately called the office where she got her shots to confirm there was no

milk protien in the vaccines. It was directly related to the shots!! We even

began thinking there were more, new allergies.

We went to the allergist...nothing showed up. So we dealt with a fussy baby for

two more months. Then she got her six month shots and broke out in a rash.

Diagnosis: allergic to thimerosal! Now here we are at a repeat...2 weeks out

from 8 months and she is a " normal " child again. Coincidence? I think not. It is

too close. Anyway, I'm hoping to start the alternative vax schedule at one year

(the next time she is due for shots) and request thimerosal free. I think I

found a pedi who will do that. I just hope she doesn't try to convince me

otherwise when I actually go to talk with her.

> >

> > I'm new to this board and topic. My daughter has been pretty tough until

just recently. I really think that some of it had to do with her baby shots. How

early did you children start showing reactions to shots and what did they

include? Thanks in advance.

> >

>

August 19, 2010

Be careful.

I would delay all further vaccines until school age (6 yrs). At that point, if

you still feel the need to vaccinate, then you can pick and choose what you find

appropriate.

In the meantime, do your research and keep your eyes open.

We were nowhere near Autism until it was too late. I regret not paying

attention to the signs. I am 100% convinced that my son would not have Autism

if he had not been vaccinated on the current schedule (he was born in 2001).

Pam

> > >

> > > I'm new to this board and topic. My daughter has been pretty tough until

just recently. I really think that some of it had to do with her baby shots. How

early did you children start showing reactions to shots and what did they

include? Thanks in advance.

> > >

> >

>

August 19, 2010

Forgot to add: I would delay vaccinating for the next several years as long as

you don't travel to areas highly infectious for certain diseases, you don't have

a huge outbreak of a highly communicable disease in your area, your daughter's

health status doessn't change, etc... some of those things might lead me to

reconsider certain shots.

> > > >

> > > > I'm new to this board and topic. My daughter has been pretty tough until

just recently. I really think that some of it had to do with her baby shots. How

early did you children start showing reactions to shots and what did they

include? Thanks in advance.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 19, 2010

Dear Miranda:

At the point of regression, my son's was immediately following his

fifteen-month shots. He immediately lost all speech, but in looking back I

wonder if there were not some signs before. He had colic issues and those

seem to get worse with each roundof shots, but I did not see any signs of

autism until the fifteen-month shots.

The following things showed up immediately:

loss of all speech,listlessness, staring, crankiness, did not wake me up as

usually the following morning and I found him sitting awkwardly in his crib-

staring into space. he did not reach out to me. I picked him up and he

went limp like a rag doll.

I know for many other children the regression was gradual.

August 19, 2010

Thank you all so much! I called the new pedi today and she seemed like, " I'll do

whatever you want. " But I feel like she just knew there was no point arguing and

respected me whether she agreed or not. Which is good I guess. But she told me

that " they took thimerosal out of vaccines. " I didn't want to say that Dr.

Google said that even though they have stopped production with it, some of the

shots are still around. But I asked if maybe they still had some. All she did

was repeat that they had taken it out, not answer my actual question. I'm stuck!

I just don't want to jeapordize her health any further. I'm even trying to avoid

mercury in my foods because she is breastfed! She is acting so great now, and

certainly want to avoid a devastating diagnosis.

Has the damage already been done? Or do we still have hope if we avoid further

vaccines?

>

> Dear Miranda:

>

> At the point of regression, my son's was immediately following his

> fifteen-month shots. He immediately lost all speech, but in looking back I

> wonder if there were not some signs before. He had colic issues and those

> seem to get worse with each roundof shots, but I did not see any signs of

> autism until the fifteen-month shots.

>

> The following things showed up immediately:

>

> loss of all speech,listlessness, staring, crankiness, did not wake me up as

> usually the following morning and I found him sitting awkwardly in his crib-

> staring into space. he did not reach out to me. I picked him up and he

> went limp like a rag doll.

>

> I know for many other children the regression was gradual.

>

August 19, 2010

Listen, she is a " follower. " Someone told her they took it out so she just

believes what she was told. She doesn't question it.

All non-live virus vaccines are STILL made using thimerosal. Then they say

they " extract " it out. but mercury binds super strongly to animal protein

--human tissues, animal tissues. Think of it as toxic super glue to the

kidneys, liver, intestines and brains in children.

The drug companies are allowed to police themselves. No one oversees the

" extraction. " The labels will say that the vaccines contain " trace

amounts " of thimerosal even though the vials are labeled " thimerosal free. "

You would have to test each vial to see how much mercury bonded in the

animal protein used to create the vaccine. the flu vaccine, tetanus

vaccine, rabies vaccine still contain the full complement of mercury. Only

you can make the decision to protect your child.

Even when they supposedly took the mercury out, they added aluminum in.

aluminum causes neuronal cell death. So really nothing has changed except

now the added aluminum acts as a catalysts the the remaining mercury making

it even more toxic.

I am not a holy roller but I do have faith, and the BIBLE says to trust GOD

in ALL things. After this happened to my son, I knew I could never risk

damaging him further by giving him another vaccine. I knew I had to put all

my faith and trust in HIM.

I wonder if some day when they will just stick a needle on the Washington

Monument and see how many they can get to fall down before it. No matter

how much they pretend to be GOD, doctors ARE NOT gods. Many of their

theories have been proven wrong through history. This time they REALLY blew

it.

If a doctor can't show you definitive safety studies done by parties with no

conflicts of interest, then they are just " guessing. " Or the odds are than

only one in what? is it 67 boys or one in 97 kids will get autism after

vaccination, and they think the loss of these kids is acceptable. It is NOT

acceptable.

They told me it happened only one in a million, and I wish I had thought

about the parents of the millionth kid before I let them jab my son because

the so-called millionth kid wound up being my own.

August 19, 2010

Wow, Haven!! I'm so sorry. I do have faith, also (and am actually a Holy

Roller..haha). I have prayed, more like screaming, for God to fix her and show

me what was going on with her. I am truly beginning to believe that I am going

through all of this to help other mothers in the futre. I am going to nursing

school to become a registered nurse and lactation consultant due to a very tough

BF experience. I guess I'm just adding more things to my pool of knowledge.

Does anyone have some resources I can look at to do some more research? I have

only decided in the past week that this is what has been wrong with her.

>

> Listen, she is a " follower. " Someone told her they took it out so she just

> believes what she was told. She doesn't question it.

>

> All non-live virus vaccines are STILL made using thimerosal. Then they say

> they " extract " it out. but mercury binds super strongly to animal protein

> --human tissues, animal tissues. Think of it as toxic super glue to the

> kidneys, liver, intestines and brains in children.

>

> The drug companies are allowed to police themselves. No one oversees the

> " extraction. " The labels will say that the vaccines contain " trace

> amounts " of thimerosal even though the vials are labeled " thimerosal free. "

> You would have to test each vial to see how much mercury bonded in the

> animal protein used to create the vaccine. the flu vaccine, tetanus

> vaccine, rabies vaccine still contain the full complement of mercury. Only

> you can make the decision to protect your child.

>

> Even when they supposedly took the mercury out, they added aluminum in.

> aluminum causes neuronal cell death. So really nothing has changed except

> now the added aluminum acts as a catalysts the the remaining mercury making

> it even more toxic.

>

> I am not a holy roller but I do have faith, and the BIBLE says to trust GOD

> in ALL things. After this happened to my son, I knew I could never risk

> damaging him further by giving him another vaccine. I knew I had to put all

> my faith and trust in HIM.

>

> I wonder if some day when they will just stick a needle on the Washington

> Monument and see how many they can get to fall down before it. No matter

> how much they pretend to be GOD, doctors ARE NOT gods. Many of their

> theories have been proven wrong through history. This time they REALLY blew

> it.

>

> If a doctor can't show you definitive safety studies done by parties with no

> conflicts of interest, then they are just " guessing. " Or the odds are than

> only one in what? is it 67 boys or one in 97 kids will get autism after

> vaccination, and they think the loss of these kids is acceptable. It is NOT

> acceptable.

>

> They told me it happened only one in a million, and I wish I had thought

> about the parents of the millionth kid before I let them jab my son because

> the so-called millionth kid wound up being my own.

>

August 20, 2010

To address that immediate issue of Thimerosal in vaccines, you print out the CDC

information on thimerosal in vaccines to show her that thimerosal still remains

in some vaccines in full amounts and in trace amounts in other vaccines. That

is simple. But don't get stuck on Thimerosal. It is NOT just about thimerosal

and it is a mistake to let this doctor believe that is your only worry (if it is

your only worry than you need to continue researching toxins, vaccines and the

environmental impact on neurological development before you move forward with

shots on the current schedule).

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

You are not stuck. You don't have to give these shots if you don't want to and

the pediatrician knows that. I don't understand why you think you are stuck...

unless you have a spouse who says you have to vaccinate.

Adopt a very conservative vaccine schedule. For me, my big concerns about

vaccines at such a young age is our expectations for an expected immune response

from an immature immune system. Top that with multiple expectations from

multiple shots, genetic predisposition, other environmental toxins (arsenic,

lead, PCBs, pesticides, etc)... ugh. It can make you paranoid, can't it?

You can control when your child is vaccinated and which vaccinations they

receive. What you need to do is approach the doctor with a well thought out

plan and stick with it.

Pam

> >

> > Dear Miranda:

> >

> > At the point of regression, my son's was immediately following his

> > fifteen-month shots. He immediately lost all speech, but in looking back I

> > wonder if there were not some signs before. He had colic issues and those

> > seem to get worse with each roundof shots, but I did not see any signs of

> > autism until the fifteen-month shots.

> >

> > The following things showed up immediately:

> >

> > loss of all speech,listlessness, staring, crankiness, did not wake me up as

> > usually the following morning and I found him sitting awkwardly in his crib-

> > staring into space. he did not reach out to me. I picked him up and he

> > went limp like a rag doll.

> >

> > I know for many other children the regression was gradual.

> >

August 20, 2010

Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Your

Children's Vaccinations " is a very objective book which states the risks

involved with catching each disease for which they vaccinate. She then

describes in detail the risks and benefits of each vaccine.

There is an alternate vaccination schedule in the book. I am certainly not

trying to persuade you either way. I know I could not vaccinate my son

again unless, say, he were bitten by a rabid animal (which would really be a

" Catch-Twenty-Two situation as the rabies vaccine has A LOT of mercury in

each shot) but rabies is almost always fatal. (Jeana Giese survived without

vaccination using " The Wisconsin Protocol " designed by Dr. Rodney Willoghby.

This protocol has been tried on ten other patients who all died.) part of

the treatment was to put Jeanna in a deep coma for a period of weeks,

allowing her immune system to " catch up. " She was also given a host of

antivirals and other drugs. When she came out of the coma, she had to

re-learn everything: how to walk, talk, etc...) but now she is entering

college this year.

You have to weigh the risks and the benefits of each disease and vaccine.

Now if the powers that be would look at the work of Dr. H. Rea and

look at natural vaccines --that is vaccines without preservatives and other

toxic contaminates, then I think that would be better, but they are not

going to do this as it would reduce their profits by billions.

August 20, 2010

Please read " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Childhood Vaccines " by

Cave, MD, " A Shot in the Dark " by Barbara Loe Fisher, and " Evidence of

Harm " by Kirby before you allow any additional vaccines. Also please

consider titres before deciding to allow any more vaccines.

S S

Re: Early Vaccine Reactions

Posted by: " Pamela H " phaselow@... noaholiviaian

Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:14 pm (PDT)

Be careful.

I would delay all further vaccines until school age (6 yrs). At that point, if

you still feel the need to vaccinate, then you can pick and choose what you find

appropriate.

In the meantime, do your research and keep your eyes open.

We were nowhere near Autism until it was too late. I regret not paying attention

to the signs. I am 100% convinced that my son would not have Autism if he had

not been vaccinated on the current schedule (he was born in 2001).

Pam

>

> First let me say, I commend you ladies (and gents) for your fight. I don't

think we are anywhere near autism, but as many have said... " Something happened "

after shots.

>

> This is what we have gone through: My daughter was " fussy " from day one. The