Re: Andy: Vitamin A protocol

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Not Andy but here is a comment form him in Onibasu:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html

More info:

http://onibasu.com/wiki/High_Dose_Vitamin_A_for_Measles

HTH,  S.

>

>From: Hope <angieforhealth@...>

>autism treatment

>Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 12:04:01 AM

>Subject: [ ] Andy: Vitamin A protocol

>

> 

>Hi! I have searched the archives and found Andy's recommendation for a

>Vitamin A protocol as follows:

>

>Excerpt from post http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html: (the

>complete post is included at the end of this message)

>

> " My guidelines are 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day. If you

>want a loading dose, it is ten times that, ONCE, to start. If you are

>already using some A, it is ten times the DIFFERENCE between your

>target and what you are presently using. "

>

>If we don't wish to use a loading dose, just use the suggested

>500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day, how long should it be

>used? Sorry, I could not find a definite answer to this in the

>archives.

>

>Thanks in advance,

>

>Angie

>=======================

>== post http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html

>==

>* Subject: Re: High dose vitamin A - I M P O R T A N T ! ! ! please read.

>* From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler>

>* Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 05:48:10 -0000

>

>> Hi everyone,

>>

>> I did the 2 day high dose protocol on my son last weekend (400,000 IU

>> continuing with 20,000 maintenance dose). He has not had any apparent

>> reaction at all -no additional stimming, no rash, no loose stools.

>>

>

>You aren't looking to make him sick, you are looking to make him

>better.

>

>If you aren't seeing anything better then skip it.

>

>There is a lot of misinformation, bad information, and foolishness

>floating around that is going to hurt some people and make others not

>do things that might really help.

>

>Important considerations:

>

>You are NOT trying to induce the signs of vitamin A toxicity! You do

>NOT just keep giving more and more and more until the kid is toxic.

>You try to AVOID toxicity, and give enough to do what is helpful

>without any toxicity.

>

>Due to the high vitamin A requiremnents of these children and the

>sensitive nature of them there is some risk of toxicity at the doses

>even responsible people discuss (myself, Dr. McCandless).

>

>It is unlikely this is a measles specific issue so don't focus only on

>measles related problems. Vitamin A improves immune function,

>intestinal function, vision, and neurological function, specifically

>improving socialization (and eye contact).

>

>You do need to weight adjust the dose, or adjust it for body surface

>area. Weight adjusting is a lot easier and also a lot safer than for

>surface area so I always disucss it.

>

>You need to know that vitamin A in high amounts is a TERATOGEN, which

>means it can mess up fetuses if a woman is pregnant or becomes pregnant

>while taking more than about 25,000 IU a day (exact number poorly known

>for political reasons). Thus I STRONGLY recommend it not be used in

>girls after they have their first menstural cycle.

>

>The high dose to start is what is called a " loading dose. " It isn't

>anything magic. Vitamin A lasts for a while in the body so it takes a

>few weeks to reach a steady state if you just start taking some every

>day. In order to have a more rapid onset of action, one may use a

>loading dose which is to eat an amount corresponding to the body

>inventory that would build up so as to start out at this steady state

>rather than having to wait for it.

>

>It is NOT mandatory to use a loading dose. Using a loading dose

>greatly increases risk.

>

>My guidelines are 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day. If you

>want a loading dose, it is ten times that, ONCE, to start. If you are

>already using some A, it is ten times the DIFFERENCE between your

>target and what you are presently using.

>

>Regular mainstream MD's and some ignorant alternative MD's are very

>scared of vitamin A (and of their shadows, too). This is because it

>works a lot better than accutane and is safer so they need to make up

>scary stories. Regular MD's used to prescribe 300,000 IU a day to

>teenagers for months to years on end to control acne (this did make

>them slightly toxic as a rule). Now that they have prescription drugs

>for acne, vitamin A is suddenly very frightening.

>

>The 1955 edition of Cecil's Textbook of Medicine says that the

>treatmetn for vitamin A deficiency is 100,000 to 300,000 IU of A daily

>for 1-3 months.

>

>At about 3,000 IU per pound per day you would expect most people to get

>toxic eventually. It does take time. Toxicity for most of them would

>be mild.

>

>At 1,000 IU per pound per day you would not expect MOST people to get

>toxic, but you would expect SOME to. Some could not use this much.

>Many could use more. I do not advocate finding out where toxicity

>starts and riding the edge except in very unusual circumstances which

>almost nobody on this list is going to find themselves in.

>

>Please exercise caution in using vitamin A or any other agent.

>

>Please ensure that anyone you talk to about using vitamin A understands

>they are NOT trying to induce toxicity and that if they do, they used

>too much.

>

>If you DO induce toxicity, or know of someone who did, stop all vitamin

>A intake until it is resolved.

>

>The loading dose IS NOT NECESSARY and can be skipped if you are willing

>to wait and watch for gradual improvements. It is convenient to use a

>loading dose, but not essential.

>

>Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . .

>=========================================

>

>

[Guest guest]

Those were the places I consulted before, but thank you for your

response, I appreciate you taking the time to look this up for me.

Angie

>> Re: [ ] Andy: Vitamin A protocol

>>

>> Not Andy but here is a comment form him in Onibasu:

>> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html

>>

>> More info:

>> http://onibasu.com/wiki/High_Dose_Vitamin_A_for_Measles

>>

>> HTH, S.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Hope <angieforhealth@...> wrote:

> Hi! I have searched the archives and found Andy's recommendation for a

> Vitamin A protocol as follows:

>

> Excerpt from post http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html: (the

> complete post is included at the end of this message)

>

> " My guidelines are 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day. If you

> want a loading dose, it is ten times that, ONCE, to start. If you are

> already using some A, it is ten times the DIFFERENCE between your

> target and what you are presently using. "

>

> If we don't wish to use a loading dose, just use the suggested

> 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day, how long should it be

> used? Sorry, I could not find a definite answer to this in the

> archives.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Angie

> =======================

> ==  post http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html

> ==

>    * Subject: Re: High dose vitamin A - I M P O R T A N T ! ! ! please read.

>    * From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler>

>    * Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 05:48:10 -0000

>

>   > Hi everyone,

>   >

>  >  I did the 2 day high dose protocol on my son last weekend (400,000 IU

>  > continuing with 20,000 maintenance dose). He has not had any apparent

>  > reaction at all -no additional stimming, no rash, no loose stools.

>  >

>

> You aren't looking to make him sick, you are looking to make him

> better.

>

> If you aren't seeing anything better then skip it.

>

> There is a lot of misinformation, bad information, and foolishness

> floating around that is going to hurt some people and make others not

> do things that might really help.

>

> Important considerations:

>

> You are NOT trying to induce the signs of vitamin A toxicity! You do

> NOT just keep giving more and more and more until the kid is toxic.

> You try to AVOID toxicity, and give enough to do what is helpful

> without any toxicity.

>

> Due to the high vitamin A requiremnents of these children and the

> sensitive nature of them there is some risk of toxicity at the doses

> even responsible people discuss (myself, Dr. McCandless).

>

> It is unlikely this is a measles specific issue so don't focus only on

> measles related problems. Vitamin A improves immune function,

> intestinal function, vision, and neurological function, specifically

> improving socialization (and eye contact).

>

> You do need to weight adjust the dose, or adjust it for body surface

> area. Weight adjusting is a lot easier and also a lot safer than for

> surface area so I always disucss it.

>

> You need to know that vitamin A in high amounts is a TERATOGEN, which

> means it can mess up fetuses if a woman is pregnant or becomes pregnant

> while taking more than about 25,000 IU a day (exact number poorly known

> for political reasons). Thus I STRONGLY recommend it not be used in

> girls after they have their first menstural cycle.

>

> The high dose to start is what is called a " loading dose. " It isn't

> anything magic. Vitamin A lasts for a while in the body so it takes a

> few weeks to reach a steady state if you just start taking some every

> day. In order to have a more rapid onset of action, one may use a

> loading dose which is to eat an amount corresponding to the body

> inventory that would build up so as to start out at this steady state

> rather than having to wait for it.

>

> It is NOT mandatory to use a loading dose. Using a loading dose

> greatly increases risk.

>

> My guidelines are 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day. If you

> want a loading dose, it is ten times that, ONCE, to start. If you are

> already using some A, it is ten times the DIFFERENCE between your

> target and what you are presently using.

>

> Regular mainstream MD's and some ignorant alternative MD's are very

> scared of vitamin A (and of their shadows, too). This is because it

> works a lot better than accutane and is safer so they need to make up

> scary stories. Regular MD's used to prescribe 300,000 IU a day to

> teenagers for months to years on end to control acne (this did make

> them slightly toxic as a rule). Now that they have prescription drugs

> for acne, vitamin A is suddenly very frightening.

>

> The 1955 edition of Cecil's Textbook of Medicine says that the

> treatmetn for vitamin A deficiency is 100,000 to 300,000 IU of A daily

> for 1-3 months.

>

> At about 3,000 IU per pound per day you would expect most people to get

> toxic eventually. It does take time. Toxicity for most of them would

> be mild.

>

> At 1,000 IU per pound per day you would not expect MOST people to get

> toxic, but you would expect SOME to. Some could not use this much.

> Many could use more. I do not advocate finding out where toxicity

> starts and riding the edge except in very unusual circumstances which

> almost nobody on this list is going to find themselves in.

>

> Please exercise caution in using vitamin A or any other agent.

>

> Please ensure that anyone you talk to about using vitamin A understands

> they are NOT trying to induce toxicity and that if they do, they used

> too much.

>

> If you DO induce toxicity, or know of someone who did, stop all vitamin

> A intake until it is resolved.

>

> The loading dose IS NOT NECESSARY and can be skipped if you are willing

> to wait and watch for gradual improvements. It is convenient to use a

> loading dose, but not essential.

>

> Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . .

> =========================================

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi! I have searched the archives and found Andy's recommendation for a

> Vitamin A protocol as follows:

>

> Excerpt from post http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html: (the

> complete post is included at the end of this message)

>

> " My guidelines are 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day. If you

> want a loading dose, it is ten times that, ONCE, to start. If you are

> already using some A, it is ten times the DIFFERENCE between your

> target and what you are presently using. "

>

> If we don't wish to use a loading dose, just use the suggested

> 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day, how long should it be

> used?

Indefinitely if it is well tolerated.

>Sorry, I could not find a definite answer to this in the

> archives.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Angie

> =======================

> == post http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html

> ==

> * Subject: Re: High dose vitamin A - I M P O R T A N T ! ! ! please read.

> * From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler>

> * Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 05:48:10 -0000

>

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I did the 2 day high dose protocol on my son last weekend (400,000 IU

> > continuing with 20,000 maintenance dose). He has not had any apparent

> > reaction at all -no additional stimming, no rash, no loose stools.

> >

>

> You aren't looking to make him sick, you are looking to make him

> better.

>

> If you aren't seeing anything better then skip it.

>

> There is a lot of misinformation, bad information, and foolishness

> floating around that is going to hurt some people and make others not

> do things that might really help.

>

> Important considerations:

>

> You are NOT trying to induce the signs of vitamin A toxicity! You do

> NOT just keep giving more and more and more until the kid is toxic.

> You try to AVOID toxicity, and give enough to do what is helpful

> without any toxicity.

>

> Due to the high vitamin A requiremnents of these children and the

> sensitive nature of them there is some risk of toxicity at the doses

> even responsible people discuss (myself, Dr. McCandless).

>

> It is unlikely this is a measles specific issue so don't focus only on

> measles related problems. Vitamin A improves immune function,

> intestinal function, vision, and neurological function, specifically

> improving socialization (and eye contact).

>

> You do need to weight adjust the dose, or adjust it for body surface

> area. Weight adjusting is a lot easier and also a lot safer than for

> surface area so I always disucss it.

>

> You need to know that vitamin A in high amounts is a TERATOGEN, which

> means it can mess up fetuses if a woman is pregnant or becomes pregnant

> while taking more than about 25,000 IU a day (exact number poorly known

> for political reasons). Thus I STRONGLY recommend it not be used in

> girls after they have their first menstural cycle.

>

> The high dose to start is what is called a " loading dose. " It isn't

> anything magic. Vitamin A lasts for a while in the body so it takes a

> few weeks to reach a steady state if you just start taking some every

> day. In order to have a more rapid onset of action, one may use a

> loading dose which is to eat an amount corresponding to the body

> inventory that would build up so as to start out at this steady state

> rather than having to wait for it.

>

> It is NOT mandatory to use a loading dose. Using a loading dose

> greatly increases risk.

>

> My guidelines are 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day. If you

> want a loading dose, it is ten times that, ONCE, to start. If you are

> already using some A, it is ten times the DIFFERENCE between your

> target and what you are presently using.

>

> Regular mainstream MD's and some ignorant alternative MD's are very

> scared of vitamin A (and of their shadows, too). This is because it

> works a lot better than accutane and is safer so they need to make up

> scary stories. Regular MD's used to prescribe 300,000 IU a day to

> teenagers for months to years on end to control acne (this did make

> them slightly toxic as a rule). Now that they have prescription drugs

> for acne, vitamin A is suddenly very frightening.

>

> The 1955 edition of Cecil's Textbook of Medicine says that the

> treatmetn for vitamin A deficiency is 100,000 to 300,000 IU of A daily

> for 1-3 months.

>

> At about 3,000 IU per pound per day you would expect most people to get

> toxic eventually. It does take time. Toxicity for most of them would

> be mild.

>

> At 1,000 IU per pound per day you would not expect MOST people to get

> toxic, but you would expect SOME to. Some could not use this much.

> Many could use more. I do not advocate finding out where toxicity

> starts and riding the edge except in very unusual circumstances which

> almost nobody on this list is going to find themselves in.

>

> Please exercise caution in using vitamin A or any other agent.

>

> Please ensure that anyone you talk to about using vitamin A understands

> they are NOT trying to induce toxicity and that if they do, they used

> too much.

>

> If you DO induce toxicity, or know of someone who did, stop all vitamin

> A intake until it is resolved.

>

> The loading dose IS NOT NECESSARY and can be skipped if you are willing

> to wait and watch for gradual improvements. It is convenient to use a

> loading dose, but not essential.

>

> Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . .

> =========================================

>

Andy

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[Guest guest]

Andy once again thanks for your help and support.

A few months back I had asked similar Q's about Vit A (and daily use), you had

given same recommendations and advice.

In my post I had also asked how much for how long and again you said

Indefinitely.

Can you please share a little bit more as to why you are recommending that

amount of Vit A and why you are recommending it indefinity?

Also could you please comment on a recommended amount of Vit D as well?

Thanks again

Kenny V

> >

> > Hi! I have searched the archives and found Andy's recommendation for a

> > Vitamin A protocol as follows:

> >

> > Excerpt from post http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112213.html: (the

> > complete post is included at the end of this message)

> >

> > " My guidelines are 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day. If you

> > want a loading dose, it is ten times that, ONCE, to start. If you are

> > already using some A, it is ten times the DIFFERENCE between your

> > target and what you are presently using. "

> >

> > If we don't wish to use a loading dose, just use the suggested

> > 500-1,000 IU of A per pound of kid per day, how long should it be

> > used?

>

> Indefinitely if it is well tolerated.

>

>

> >Sorry, I could not find a definite answer to this in the

> > archives.

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Angie

>