Bi-polar

[Guest guest]

AMEN sister! Armour (with T3) is even cheaper. And people with adrenal

insufficiency are treated as psych patients, as my mother has been HER WHOLE

LIFE.

Gracia

But the psychiatric industry makes sooooo

> money off us, its not in their " financial " best interest to diagnose

> us properly. Synthroid is 21.00 for a month, and Depakote and Lithium

> are in excess of 85.00 a month. Not to mention all of the other drugs

> they get you on to " compliment " your therapy. The symptoms overlap

> and it is so easy for those who make the decisions to get into the

> psychiatric trap. Funny how the first test they ran when I ended up

> in the hospital was a thyroid function test. What does that tell us?

> But, we know that the numbers can be misleading. The only way

> my condition was detected was, by the free T3 test, which they

> did not run!

> Two years later I am myself again.

> Chriss.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" The connection between MS and psychological problems is WELL established. "

Any documented research on this? Got a housemate who's been diagnosed with

MS and has psychological probs as well...

Cheers!

Bridgett Kinloch

http://www.xanga.com/fenian

For Irish republican discussion, send an email to:

simplyrepublican-subscribe

bi-polar

> Jenifer, Hi I was actually diagnosed as Bi-polar during the time

> I was HYPERthyroid. Because I had lost 22 lbs in three months and

> I was " excitable " . That was the anxiety part.

> I had a call from my aunt while I was in the psychiatric wing

> of our local hospital. She told me not to be afraid of it as my

> grandmother was also Manic depressive. As you can imagine

> I was destroyed by this information. And I had absolutely no

> previous behavior problems and at this time I was 36 years old.

> She told me that my cousin was recently diagnosed with it as

> well.

> What a bunch of HOOEY. When I got out, I did my homework.

> I was not going to accept this as easily as they wanted me too.

> I knew me better.

> I started talking to other family members who knew the situation

> about my grandmother. Turns out she had MS. She killed herself

> when she was 43. The connection between MS and psychological

> problems is WELL established. Before her diagnosis of MS she

> had NO prior behaviorl problems. The link between MS and Thyroid

> problems is now being established as well.

> And as for my cousin. He was raised by MY mother and father until

> he was five. His mother came and took him away from us.

> You can imagine the emotional scar it left on him.

> >From that point on, his anger and feelings of abandonment drove

> him to alcohol and drugs. He tried to take his life once and barely

> survived. He was left with severe brain impairment. His behavior

> is explainable as well. But the psychiatric industry makes sooooo

> money off us, its not in their " financial " best interest to diagnose

> us properly. Synthroid is 21.00 for a month, and Depakote and Lithium

> are in excess of 85.00 a month. Not to mention all of the other drugs

> they get you on to " compliment " your therapy. The symptoms overlap

> and it is so easy for those who make the decisions to get into the

> psychiatric trap. Funny how the first test they ran when I ended up

> in the hospital was a thyroid function test. What does that tell us?

> But, we know that the numbers can be misleading. The only way

> my condition was detected was, by the free T3 test, which they

> did not run!

> Two years later I am myself again.

> Chriss.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/05 8:43:51 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> P.s – Does this group believe in bipolar disorder?

>

>

Most of us don't, as we know it was a diabolical contrivance of the drug

companies to cover their asses for the side effects caused by their drugs.

Until

the advent of SSRIs, there was only " bi-polar disorder " or " manic depression "

but that was supplanted with Bi-polar 2 and Bi-polar 3, which are really drug

side effects and not true bi-polar disorder. Almost everyone who takes an

SSRI goes through a phase where their withdrawal symptoms MIMIC bi-polar

disorder, but it's NOT bi-polar disorder, it's WITHDRAWAL!!!!

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/05 8:43:51 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> P.s – Does this group believe in bipolar disorder?

>

>

Most of us don't, as we know it was a diabolical contrivance of the drug

companies to cover their asses for the side effects caused by their drugs.

Until

the advent of SSRIs, there was only " bi-polar disorder " or " manic depression "

but that was supplanted with Bi-polar 2 and Bi-polar 3, which are really drug

side effects and not true bi-polar disorder. Almost everyone who takes an

SSRI goes through a phase where their withdrawal symptoms MIMIC bi-polar

disorder, but it's NOT bi-polar disorder, it's WITHDRAWAL!!!!

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

This is only indirect, and I have lost the web address so you would have to

google for it. This article dealt with the role of infection and parasites

on bipolar and other mental problems.

The Role of Infections in Mental Illness

by Strick, Clinical Research Director

THE RESEARCH INSTITUTE FOR INFECTIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS (RIIMI)

However, knowing what we do about VCNO, we can make the link for ourselves.

Rowena

Can anyone point me to a discussion of VCO relative to bi-polar?

[Guest guest]

Found it, Rowena. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Cooky,

At last years Greater Hartford Lyme Disease seminar a doctor spoke

at length about the psycological impact that Lyme has. Check out

this link http://www.ctlymedisease.org/bio.htm.

Be well,

>

> I write the following just to share with others and to see if

anyone

> out there has had this happen to them?

>

> I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally onto

> something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

with

> Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar illness.

The

> way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

migraines

> and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar illness.

For

> years I was diagnosed with depression.

>

> Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get tons

of

> work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups and

> downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and saw

the

> folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those people

are

> totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are but

they

> are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

>

> Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

is a

> huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide plan

and

> that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I had

to

> get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful. I

am

> not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

there

> are truly times of desperation with the mental component of lyme.

I

> was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe she

is

> right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with that

ugly

> tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

will

> see with treatment.

>

> I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes. She

is

> doing liver function tests and we will then start an

anticonvulsant.

> So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

felt to

> awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's only

a

> matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

better

> living through chemistry.

>

> Please let me know here or privately if you have had these issues

and

> how it has affected you.

>

> Be well,

>

> cooky

>

[Guest guest]

Cooky:

I have Bipolar. I have had it for a very long time. We have about 3

family members with it. One is disabled and has self-treated with

heroin for yrs. He is now on disability.

The lyme dr. really probed about it. How do you know? What makes you

think you have Bipolar?

I had it way before the Lyme and childhood depression and many

hosptilizations way before Lyme, not to mention a strong family hx.

Ok, if you have Bipolar truly, you should not be taking just an

antidepressant. It can trigger mania and is inapproprite tx. Bipolar

is something I do know about. I not only have a MS in Psych, but I

had Bipolar for yrs, and I take continuing education re: meds and

Bipolar online. An antidepressant alone can trigger mania and not

stabilize your moods.

Pls. contact me. Don't be worried, but Prozac alone is the absolute

wrong tx for Bipolar. Most psychologists and psychiatrists know this.

Depression and Anxiety-yes but Bipolar no. So if you only have

these, then you may be fine. Just watch for more symptoms of energy,

increased thinking, rage, mood changes, or poor decision making.

Medication is trial and error so prozac may not affect you like this.

I can send you tons of links regarding BP or talk to you.

Yes--the energy is great. I have not had it in a while and it leads

to no huge problems. The full-blown mania, well that is another

story. I have been pretty stable for over 5 yrs. Now I have to

battle the Lyme/Fibro.

I am not a dr. but I know ALOT about Bipolar and meds.

In , " cooky " <brntcooky_2000@y...> wrote:

>

> I write the following just to share with others and to see if

anyone

> out there has had this happen to them?

>

> I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally onto

> something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

with

> Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar illness.

The

> way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

migraines

> and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar illness.

For

> years I was diagnosed with depression.

>

> Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get tons

of

> work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups and

> downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and saw

the

> folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those people

are

> totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are but

they

> are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

>

> Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

is a

> huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide plan

and

> that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I had

to

> get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful. I

am

> not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

there

> are truly times of desperation with the mental component of lyme.

I

> was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe she

is

> right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with that

ugly

> tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

will

> see with treatment.

>

> I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes. She

is

> doing liver function tests and we will then start an

anticonvulsant.

> So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

felt to

> awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's only

a

> matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

better

> living through chemistry.

>

> Please let me know here or privately if you have had these issues

and

> how it has affected you.

>

> Be well,

>

> cooky

>

[Guest guest]

Cooky

When I started on the Diflucan it helped my brain fog and my

emotions. I also noticed when I began to take MSM, L-Tryptophan and

L-Tyrosine it also helped. I take 2 MSM, 1 of the tryptophan and 3

of the Tyrosine (the Tyrosine helped the most, the tryptophan tended

to make me more " sad " ) When I herx sometimes this emotional roller

coaster is what I dread the most.

Way last year when I first started taking fish oil (DHA and EPA) I

noticed this also helped even out my emotions to some extent.

email me if you'd like doseages for these things. This is the only

stuff that I've ever used and have no experience for myself with

anything else.

I also notice if I don't get reg sleep, or clear toxins/whatever

that it tends to make things worse.

Take care

Rose Marie

>

> I write the following just to share with others and to see if

anyone

> out there has had this happen to them?

>

> I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally onto

> something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

with

> Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar illness.

The

> way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

migraines

> and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar illness.

For

> years I was diagnosed with depression.

>

> Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get tons

of

> work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups and

> downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and saw

the

> folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those people

are

> totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are but

they

> are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

>

> Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

is a

> huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide plan

and

> that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I had

to

> get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful. I

am

> not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

there

> are truly times of desperation with the mental component of lyme.

I

> was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe she

is

> right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with that

ugly

> tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

will

> see with treatment.

>

> I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes. She

is

> doing liver function tests and we will then start an

anticonvulsant.

> So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

felt to

> awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's only

a

> matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

better

> living through chemistry.

>

> Please let me know here or privately if you have had these issues

and

> how it has affected you.

>

> Be well,

>

> cooky

>

[Guest guest]

Cooky-

Just reminder tryptophan can affect your mood and interfere with any

mood stabilizers. Just use caution if you take it.

If you have Bipolar or signifanct depression, supplements are not

going to stabilize you. They may be helpful and supportive.

Very high doses of Fish oil have been studied for Bipolar. close to

16 caps a day or more. Not sure of the mg. But there is still not

enough evidence out there.

Stick with the psychiatrist and see how it goes. Whether it is lyme

symptoms or not, you need good psychotropic medication if you have

been suicidal and it has lasted for more than several months.

__

In , " fancy1413 " <fancy1413@y...> wrote:

>

> Cooky

> When I started on the Diflucan it helped my brain fog and my

> emotions. I also noticed when I began to take MSM, L-Tryptophan

and

> L-Tyrosine it also helped. I take 2 MSM, 1 of the tryptophan and 3

> of the Tyrosine (the Tyrosine helped the most, the tryptophan

tended

> to make me more " sad " ) When I herx sometimes this emotional roller

> coaster is what I dread the most.

> Way last year when I first started taking fish oil (DHA and EPA) I

> noticed this also helped even out my emotions to some extent.

> email me if you'd like doseages for these things. This is the only

> stuff that I've ever used and have no experience for myself with

> anything else.

> I also notice if I don't get reg sleep, or clear toxins/whatever

> that it tends to make things worse.

>

> Take care

> Rose Marie

>

> >

> > I write the following just to share with others and to see if

> anyone

> > out there has had this happen to them?

> >

> > I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally onto

> > something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

> with

> > Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar

illness.

> The

> > way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

> migraines

> > and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar illness.

> For

> > years I was diagnosed with depression.

> >

> > Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get

tons

> of

> > work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups and

> > downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and saw

> the

> > folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those

people

> are

> > totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are but

> they

> > are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

> >

> > Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

> is a

> > huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide

plan

> and

> > that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I

had

> to

> > get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful.

I

> am

> > not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

> there

> > are truly times of desperation with the mental component of

lyme.

> I

> > was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe

she

> is

> > right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with

that

> ugly

> > tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

> will

> > see with treatment.

> >

> > I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes. She

> is

> > doing liver function tests and we will then start an

> anticonvulsant.

> > So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

> felt to

> > awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's

only

> a

> > matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

> better

> > living through chemistry.

> >

> > Please let me know here or privately if you have had these

issues

> and

> > how it has affected you.

> >

> > Be well,

> >

> > cooky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have always tended towards mild depression, and I controlled it with

excersise, and a good diet. However, as I became increasingly disabled

with LD, this has no longer worked for me. Consequently, my GP put me

on 20mg of Paxil daily. This has helped to stabilize my moods but I

would rather not be taking Paxil, or any other drug, but this is

another aspect of LD.

cheers

Duncan

> >

> > I write the following just to share with others and to see if

> anyone

> > out there has had this happen to them?

> >

> > I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally onto

> > something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

> with

> > Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar illness.

> The

> > way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

> migraines

> > and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar illness.

> For

> > years I was diagnosed with depression.

> >

> > Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get tons

> of

> > work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups and

> > downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and saw

> the

> > folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those people

> are

> > totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are but

> they

> > are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

> >

> > Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

> is a

> > huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide plan

> and

> > that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I had

> to

> > get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful. I

> am

> > not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

> there

> > are truly times of desperation with the mental component of lyme.

> I

> > was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe she

> is

> > right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with that

> ugly

> > tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

> will

> > see with treatment.

> >

> > I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes. She

> is

> > doing liver function tests and we will then start an

> anticonvulsant.

> > So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

> felt to

> > awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's only

> a

> > matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

> better

> > living through chemistry.

> >

> > Please let me know here or privately if you have had these issues

> and

> > how it has affected you.

> >

> > Be well,

> >

> > cooky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Me too. I am on them for life bc there is too much risk. If i have a

baby someday, I have to get better to even date, then there are some

meds that I can take.-with risk to the baby.

n , " dunmunro1 " <dmunro@s...> wrote:

>

> I have always tended towards mild depression, and I controlled it

with

> excersise, and a good diet. However, as I became increasingly

disabled

> with LD, this has no longer worked for me. Consequently, my GP put

me

> on 20mg of Paxil daily. This has helped to stabilize my moods but I

> would rather not be taking Paxil, or any other drug, but this is

> another aspect of LD.

>

> cheers

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I write the following just to share with others and to see if

> > anyone

> > > out there has had this happen to them?

> > >

> > > I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally

onto

> > > something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

> > with

> > > Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar

illness.

> > The

> > > way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

> > migraines

> > > and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar

illness.

> > For

> > > years I was diagnosed with depression.

> > >

> > > Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get

tons

> > of

> > > work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups

and

> > > downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and

saw

> > the

> > > folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those

people

> > are

> > > totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are

but

> > they

> > > are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

> > >

> > > Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms

which

> > is a

> > > huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide

plan

> > and

> > > that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I

had

> > to

> > > get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling

awful. I

> > am

> > > not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

> > there

> > > are truly times of desperation with the mental component of

lyme.

> > I

> > > was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe

she

> > is

> > > right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with

that

> > ugly

> > > tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I

we

> > will

> > > see with treatment.

> > >

> > > I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes.

She

> > is

> > > doing liver function tests and we will then start an

> > anticonvulsant.

> > > So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

> > felt to

> > > awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's

only

> > a

> > > matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

> > better

> > > living through chemistry.

> > >

> > > Please let me know here or privately if you have had these

issues

> > and

> > > how it has affected you.

> > >

> > > Be well,

> > >

> > > cooky

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

KEVIN, I TRIED TO GET INTO THAT SITE. ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THE

ADDRESS??

> >

> > I write the following just to share with others and to see if

> anyone

> > out there has had this happen to them?

> >

> > I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally onto

> > something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

> with

> > Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar illness.

> The

> > way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

> migraines

> > and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar illness.

> For

> > years I was diagnosed with depression.

> >

> > Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get tons

> of

> > work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups and

> > downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and saw

> the

> > folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those people

> are

> > totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are but

> they

> > are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

> >

> > Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

> is a

> > huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide plan

> and

> > that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I had

> to

> > get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful. I

> am

> > not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

> there

> > are truly times of desperation with the mental component of lyme.

> I

> > was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe she

> is

> > right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with that

> ugly

> > tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

> will

> > see with treatment.

> >

> > I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes. She

> is

> > doing liver function tests and we will then start an

> anticonvulsant.

> > So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

> felt to

> > awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's only

> a

> > matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

> better

> > living through chemistry.

> >

> > Please let me know here or privately if you have had these issues

> and

> > how it has affected you.

> >

> > Be well,

> >

> > cooky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

yes, type it in without the period or use this one

http://www.ctlymedisease.org/bio.htm

> > >

> > > I write the following just to share with others and to see if

> > anyone

> > > out there has had this happen to them?

> > >

> > > I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally

onto

> > > something. I told her about my history (she was even familiar

> > with

> > > Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar

illness.

> > The

> > > way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

> > migraines

> > > and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar

illness.

> > For

> > > years I was diagnosed with depression.

> > >

> > > Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could get

tons

> > of

> > > work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups

and

> > > downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and

saw

> > the

> > > folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those

people

> > are

> > > totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are

but

> > they

> > > are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

> > >

> > > Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms

which

> > is a

> > > huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide

plan

> > and

> > > that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I

had

> > to

> > > get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling

awful. I

> > am

> > > not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

> > there

> > > are truly times of desperation with the mental component of

lyme.

> > I

> > > was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe

she

> > is

> > > right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with

that

> > ugly

> > > tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I

we

> > will

> > > see with treatment.

> > >

> > > I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes.

She

> > is

> > > doing liver function tests and we will then start an

> > anticonvulsant.

> > > So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I haven't

> > felt to

> > > awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's

only

> > a

> > > matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

> > better

> > > living through chemistry.

> > >

> > > Please let me know here or privately if you have had these

issues

> > and

> > > how it has affected you.

> > >

> > > Be well,

> > >

> > > cooky

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I should have said that I've never been diag with bipolar, only that

I've had problems with depression, some not bad others were

scary.Hope I didn't say anything I shouldn't have said.

Sorry

Rose Marie

> > > >

> > > > I write the following just to share with others and to see

if

> > > anyone

> > > > out there has had this happen to them?

> > > >

> > > > I went to a new Psychiatrist today and think we are finally

> onto

> > > > something. I told her about my history (she was even

familiar

> > > with

> > > > Lyme) and she diagnosed me with a mild form of bi-polar

> illness.

> > > The

> > > > way she described it made sense to me. She said the PMS,

> > > migraines

> > > > and post-partum depression all were related to bipolar

> illness.

> > > For

> > > > years I was diagnosed with depression.

> > > >

> > > > Prior to lyme, I would have periods of time where I could

get

> tons

> > > of

> > > > work done, and periods of time where I was totally lazy. Ups

> and

> > > > downs. I used to work in an inpatient psychiatric unit and

> saw

> > > the

> > > > folks with bipolar and told her, " no, that's not me...those

> people

> > > are

> > > > totally out of touch with reality. " She said " yes, they are

> but

> > > they

> > > > are the really severe ones. You have a very mild case. "

> > > >

> > > > Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms

> which

> > > is a

> > > > huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a

suicide

> plan

> > > and

> > > > that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew

I

> had

> > > to

> > > > get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling

> awful. I

> > > am

> > > > not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know

that

> > > there

> > > > are truly times of desperation with the mental component of

> lyme.

> > > I

> > > > was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey

maybe

> she

> > > is

> > > > right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with

> that

> > > ugly

> > > > tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but

I

> we

> > > will

> > > > see with treatment.

> > > >

> > > > I will start a very low dose of Prozac and see how it goes.

> She

> > > is

> > > > doing liver function tests and we will then start an

> > > anticonvulsant.

> > > > So I'm at least hopeful that things will stabilize. I

haven't

> > > felt to

> > > > awful the last few weeks and am very grateful, but know it's

> only

> > > a

> > > > matter of time before it comes back. Hopefully I will enjoy

> > > better

> > > > living through chemistry.

> > > >

> > > > Please let me know here or privately if you have had these

> issues

> > > and

> > > > how it has affected you.

> > > >

> > > > Be well,

> > > >

> > > > cooky

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cooky,

The mental component of Lyme is the worst, as far as I'm concerned.

I used to struggle with depression as part of my menstrual cycle.

Lyme has made depression a permanent part of my existence. I, too,

am not looking for a pity party, but I do know what it's like to

feel awful psychologically day after day and wonder whether it's

worth it to continue.

I've never gotten to the point of seriously considering suicide, but

I have had those moments where the thought " why is it worth

continuing this way? " flitted through my mind.

I believe that whatever mental health issues one might have had

before Lyme can be made worse with Lyme. I also believe that Lyme

can cause new mental health issues. I used to have excellent

concentration and focus; now I struggle to concentrate and when I

can concentrate it is exhausting.

We need to be unashamed of these effects of Lyme if we're going to

be taken seriously. Lyme causes physical AND mental pain.

Jessie

>

>>

> >

> Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

is a

> huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide plan

and

> that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I had

to

> get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful. I

am

> not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

there

> are truly times of desperation with the mental component of lyme.

I

> was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe she

is

> right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with that

ugly

> tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

will

> see with treatment.

>

>>

> Be well,

>

> cooky

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who has responded to my inquiry/comments on this

list and offline. This is a wonderfully supportive group with

intelligent responses. My biggest fear is that I will start my new

job and the side effects of the meds will make me crash with

increasing fatigue. I see my LLMD at the end of this month, so will

get his input as well. It sure is hard to try to even work part

time and deal with all the neuro problems this disease throws at you

and the secondary psychological effects. I guess the bottom line is

I'm doing my best and that's all anyone can do.

cooky

> >

> >>

> > >

> > Since lyme, I have had a worsening of psychiatric symptoms which

> is a

> > huge worry for me. About 2 months ago I was making a suicide

plan

> and

> > that's when I made the appointment with the shrink. I knew I

had

> to

> > get some relief from the depression, anxiety and feeling awful.

I

> am

> > not looking for a pitty party, I just want others to know that

> there

> > are truly times of desperation with the mental component of

lyme.

> I

> > was also in alot of pain, and that is better. And, hey maybe

she

> is

> > right..maybe I did have this condition before I got bit with

that

> ugly

> > tick. I always thought it was the lyme that caused it, but I we

> will

> > see with treatment.

> >

> >>

> > Be well,

> >

> > cooky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Okay right now I have a great interest in this. We may be adopting a

baby whose mother has this condition. My sister and I are trying to

decide right now which one of us is going to do this. Her friend has

Bi-polar severely and is planning on adopting out the baby. Right now we

are leaning towards my sister adopting the baby because they make so much

more than us. But the way the have the system now it is getting a

little easier in some situations to adopt. But even if she adopts the

baby we want to be able to help her any way we can. What can we expect

from the mother. I heard there is a lot of things that could happen.

Please write to me in private about this matter. How likely is the baby

to get this condition. This girls mother also has Bi-polar. My mother

in law has a mild case of this and dealing with her is hard at times

because she thinks we do things that we have never done. I am sorry I

know this isn't Lyme related and that is why I asked people to write to

me privately. Thanks.

Cyntha

[Guest guest]

you can write to me offline. It will be taking a gamble. There is no

sure way to tell if someone will develop the disease. There is a

chance due to genetics. A good stable home can go a long way to make

thwart off Bipolar or manifest itself with less severity.

I still want to have children someday and hopefully this gene will

not be passed on. But..I am educated, have a good life, job, and

stability. I am not so sure if it is any different then choicing to

have a child if you have a strong family history of severe diabetes,

etc.

In , Darren D Landon <dclando1@j...> wrote:

>

> Okay right now I have a great interest in this. We may be adopting

a

> baby whose mother has this condition. My sister and I are trying to

> decide right now which one of us is going to do this. Her friend

has

> Bi-polar severely and is planning on adopting out the baby. Right

now we

> are leaning towards my sister adopting the baby because they make

so much

> more than us. But the way the have the system now it is getting a

> little easier in some situations to adopt. But even if she adopts

the

> baby we want to be able to help her any way we can. What can we

expect

> from the mother. I heard there is a lot of things that could

happen.

> Please write to me in private about this matter. How likely is the

baby

> to get this condition. This girls mother also has Bi-polar. My

mother

> in law has a mild case of this and dealing with her is hard at times

> because she thinks we do things that we have never done. I am

sorry I

> know this isn't Lyme related and that is why I asked people to

write to

> me privately. Thanks.

>

> Cyntha

>

[Guest guest]

i am not bi polar but i deal with depression. it has a good control over my life. it is a good thing to have you join this group. i am sure you will find some great support. i joined because my six year old son has cystic fibrosis. i look forward to talking to you soon. evelynptrbovic <ptrbovic@...> wrote: HI everyone. I'm brand newto the group and was wondering how others are dealing with bi-polar disorder. Thanks~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~The Being Sick CommunityMessage Archives-/messagesChat:- Scheduled Chats at /chatBookmarks:-Add a website URL you have found

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am not bipolar but at one point thought I was and was put on lithium. I

found it to be horrible and it made me very depressed. I took it for a

couple of months then just threw it out. Later on I found I just have

depressive episodes (not manic). I am on cymbalta now and it seems to keep

things even, I enjoy my life (as much as you can with fibromyalgia) and

don't feel so hopeless. Mentally I am doing well, I also have an anxiety

disorder which I am on Klonopin for.

Maybe you can share some more about how your bipolar disorder affects you

and what meds you've tried.

I wish you all the best dealing with this..... and welcome to the group!

love,

[Guest guest]

Hi ?,

Welcome to the group... I'm Helen, 55, from NW Ohio... We have several on here with Bi-Polar, when they are up to it hopefully they will join in...

(((Welcoming Hugs )))Helen

HI everyone. I'm brand newto the group and was wondering how others are dealing with bi-polar disorder. Thanks

"When life's problems seem overwhelming, look around and see what other people are coping with. You may consider yourself fortunate."

[Guest guest]

I just had a discussion with one of the psychiatrist at Duke and Dr. March's

group about Bi-polar and the reaction to SSRI meds. His comment to me is

that Bi-Polar is VERY RARE, and that it is very common for kids to have bad

reactions to the SSRI's. He and others also said it was hard to diagnose a

child with this. Thought I would just put this info out there. My son right

now is off all meds until we can get a appointment with a psychiatrist in a

couple of weeks because of his bad reactions. Will be interesting to hear

what this doctor says. Someone just commented on adding other meds on top of

SSRI's, wondering if that is what will happen with my son. My pediatrician

and myself because of the paragraph in Dr. Chanskys book about Bi-Polar and

SSRIs were very concerned that maybe that is what is going on with my son,

however, our psychologist who has worked with him for almost a year does not

think he has that. I just hope we aren't all panicing about this subject

with false info. I know I have been. But yet I know it is very important if

a child does have Bi-polar to be on the correct medications. This stuff just

drives me crazy trying to figure it all out and know the right thing to do.

Adele

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Khris

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:28 AM

Subject: Re: Are they getting angry easily?

Has Bipolar Disorder been ruled out for your dd? Do you have any

family history of BP? If she has undiagnosed BP, Paxil will almost

certainly make things worse for her. I'd keep notes and be very

attuned to her reaction to the medication. It sounds like the doctor

is uncertain exactly what is behind your dd's outbursts, anger and

irritability.

Khris

>

> Hello and sorry for this question, I hope I am not getting onto

> everybody's nervs.

> My dd has a lot mood issues , she can freak out b/c of " nothing "

can be

> very irritated and there are days I can tell right from the start

that

> no matter what we do or not it will end in a lot of screaming,

> shouting, rage-like meltdowns. She is young (6) and can't really

answer

> why this is happening but she can be quite explosive.

> I do not mind to deal with it here and there but this is constant

and

> there are days when I just do not want to deal with that anymore

and

> hope that she is not 'looking for a reason " to start something.

> I talked about my concerns with the Neuro ( she also has Tourette),

he

> hops that the Paxil will improve her mood a bit as well, she seems

to

> be tense and stressed out a lot. So perhaps little things are

setting

> her off.

> For the parents who have their kids on SSRI:

> When did you start to taper off or reduced? Were you succssful at

all

> with that? we started the medication and we will go for a follow-up

in

> 2 months ( unless something comes up ).

> Thank you so much , everything I read here so far really helps me a

lot

> through this rough time.( And sorry for my English - is my second

> language)

> sabcla

>

[Guest guest]

Adele,

While Pediatric Bipolar Disorder isn't common, I don't agree that it

is " very rare. " Some researchers/psychiatrists estimate that around

5% of kids/teens qualify for a BP-NOS (falling somewhere on the

spectrum) dx. The problem with BP in children is that they don't

often fit a clearly recognizable pattern. If BP is even a remote

possibility, it should be ruled out before any antidepressant or

stimulant medication is started.

If a child is having unexplained severe outburts, rages, mood

lability, sleep disturbance, inflexible etc - I think a rule out for

BP is warranted. One of the things a child psych will consider is

family history. There may be diagnosed OR undiagnosed/misdiagnosed

people with BP in the child's family tree. A family history of

alcoholism is also known to increase the genetic vulnerability for

delevoping BP. Family history can be an important early " red flag. "

(I should note that not ALL children with BP have a strong family

history - my son has BP and we have no family history of BP.)

JAACAP Treatment Guidelines for Children and Adolescents with Bipolar

Disorder: http://www.jaacap.com/pt/pt-core/template-

journal/jaacap/media/01.chi.0000146567.36668.30.pdf

Many children respond poorly to SSRI medications that do not have

BP. The current DSM criteria specifically excludes medication

reaction from the dignostic criteria for BP. (The adult DSM criteria

is used for now. Criteria for children is in the works for the next

DSM - due in several years.)

Some excellent places for info:

www.jbrf.org

www.bpkids.org

www.bpinfo.net

http://www.bipolarchild.com/newsletters/index.html

Khris

> >

> > Hello and sorry for this question, I hope I am not getting onto

> > everybody's nervs.

> > My dd has a lot mood issues , she can freak out b/c of " nothing "

> can be

> > very irritated and there are days I can tell right from the start

> that

> > no matter what we do or not it will end in a lot of screaming,

> > shouting, rage-like meltdowns. She is young (6) and can't really

> answer

> > why this is happening but she can be quite explosive.

> > I do not mind to deal with it here and there but this is constant

> and

> > there are days when I just do not want to deal with that anymore

> and

> > hope that she is not 'looking for a reason " to start something.

> > I talked about my concerns with the Neuro ( she also has

Tourette),

> he

> > hops that the Paxil will improve her mood a bit as well, she

seems

> to

> > be tense and stressed out a lot. So perhaps little things are

> setting

> > her off.

> > For the parents who have their kids on SSRI:

> > When did you start to taper off or reduced? Were you succssful at

> all

> > with that? we started the medication and we will go for a follow-

up

> in

> > 2 months ( unless something comes up ).

> > Thank you so much , everything I read here so far really helps me

a

> lot

> > through this rough time.( And sorry for my English - is my second

> > language)

> > sabcla

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a 9yr old daughter with bipolar and ocd. She took an SSRI at age 5 before

the bipolar was diagnosed. She did not have any bad reaction to it. It helped

her anxiety tremendously.Even though it is a no-no to take an SSRI with bipolar

, my daughter has been on zoloft for 5 years , and cannot function without it,

although she is now also on a mood stabilizing med.It took me 6 years to get

her diagnosed properly, because these kids usually get an alphabet soup

diagnosis.It took several hospitalizations, neuropsychiatric evaluations, and

studies, and months of missed school. There have been so many times my daughter

has almost had to be removed from my home because we could not handle her due to

her raging.

My daughter had issues from infancy, which usually is the case with early

onset bipolar. Every child is different.I have gone to hell and back with my

daughter.My son is difficult also with the ocd and anxiety but is literally a

piece of cake compared to my daughter. The problem is , is children are being

diagnosed with bipolar left and right , when they don't really have it. Like

I've said before, if your child had it, there would not be one doubt in your

mind!!!!!!!!!!! These kids are a nightmare to deal with!!. I love all my kids

to death, but my bipolar child is completely unbelievable! It's nothing like you

could ever imagine! Unless your child had it.

My son (5) was put on 2 different SSRI's for ocd, and was climbing the

walls,raging hitting, jumping out of the car, etc, etc,.These are all bipolar

and adhd symptoms. Once we stopped the SSRI's and put him on an antipsychotic,

he turned into a different kid. The new doctor has said he has a mood disorder

due to the reaction to the SSRI's. I don't believe it for one second, although

he was diagnosed with one.I know that is not always the case.

There is no mistaking a child with bipolar disorder, my son is nothing like my

daughter.I could go on and on for hours with things my daughter has done that

only a parent of a bipolar child would believe.

It's very difficult and confusing. If you have any questions feel free to ask

.. I've been there.

Hugs

Judy