Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Good answers to your question would be VERY long. The good news is that they can all be found in Andy Cutler's book: Heir Test Interpretations. http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html It details ALL possible sources of toxic metals, and whether hair test results actually reflect body burden. Challenge tests are dangerous, and often inaccurate and meaningless. K P wrote: > > What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides > Mercury & Lead in children. > Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms > associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. > We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? > > > Thanks, > Kay > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 > What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides Mercury & Lead in children. > Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. > We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? I have some info here http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 , Thanks for the book reference. Why do you say that the challenge tests are often inaccurate & meaningless? ________________________________ From: Ross <mrossgrp@...> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 9:22:36 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Source of metals Good answers to your question would be VERY long. The good news is that they can all be found in Andy Cutler's book: Heir Test Interpretations. http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html It details ALL possible sources of toxic metals, and whether hair test results actually reflect body burden. Challenge tests are dangerous, and often inaccurate and meaningless. K P wrote: > > What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides > Mercury & Lead in children. > Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms > associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. > We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? > > > Thanks, > Kay > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 K P wrote: > > , Thanks for the book reference. > Why do you say that the challenge tests are often inaccurate & > meaningless? > False positives and negatives. Of no diagnostic utility. Dangerous because of redistribution of metals to the brain and other organs. Here are some of the things Andy Cutler has to say about challenge tests. http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+challenge+test & su\ bmit=Search! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=amc > ________________________________ > From: Ross <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > > <mailto: %40> > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 9:22:36 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] Source of metals > > Good answers to your question would be VERY long. The good news is that > they can all be found in Andy Cutler's book: Heir Test Interpretations. > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > <http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html> It details ALL possible > sources of toxic metals, and whether hair test results actually reflect > body burden. > > Challenge tests are dangerous, and often inaccurate and meaningless. > > > > K P wrote: > > > > What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides > > Mercury & Lead in children. > > Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms > > associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. > > We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Kay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Anyone who is given a hefty dose of EDTA, DMSA, DMPS will dump the metals in their body and tax the liver and kidneys unnecessarily. We are exposed to heavy metals on a daily basis. Also, a one time, high dose of a chelator will mobilize a bunch of heavy metals but won't be able to take it all with them... which means the metals redistribute themselves back in to the body. It just doesn't provide a person with much diagnostic information, and doesn't accurately represent the real body burden of metals. The best thing to do is to slowly chelate and base your progress on physical and behavioral changes instead of on a test. Pam > > > > What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides > > Mercury & Lead in children. > > Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms > > associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. > > We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Kay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Interesting, false positives or negatives as confirmed by what tests - do you have any reference to a study on this? ________________________________ From: Ross <mrossgrp@...> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 9:45:48 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Source of metals K P wrote: > > , Thanks for the book reference. > Why do you say that the challenge tests are often inaccurate & > meaningless? > False positives and negatives. Of no diagnostic utility. Dangerous because of redistribution of metals to the brain and other organs. Here are some of the things Andy Cutler has to say about challenge tests. http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+challenge+test & su\ bmit=Search! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=amc > ________________________________ > From: Ross <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > > <mailto: %40> > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 9:22:36 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] Source of metals > > Good answers to your question would be VERY long. The good news is that > they can all be found in Andy Cutler's book: Heir Test Interpretations. > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > <http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html> It details ALL possible > sources of toxic metals, and whether hair test results actually reflect > body burden. > > Challenge tests are dangerous, and often inaccurate and meaningless. > > > > K P wrote: > > > > What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides > > Mercury & Lead in children. > > Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms > > associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. > > We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Kay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Kay, Please, please, please don't do any more challenge tests. Please note that doctors who do challenge tests don't understand safe chelation. Please educate yourself about Andy Cutler's protocol. They are dangerous because of the high single dose of chelator and not particularly useful. Check www.danaview.net/metals for sources of exposure. Source of metals Posted by: " K P " kp_mlist@... kp_mlist Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:06 am (PST) What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides Mercury & Lead in children. Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? Thanks, Kay ------------------------------------------------------------ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! Weight Loss Program http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=4WUMKKIJlyIWa-ybVhXzfQAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUr47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Please consider a DDI (Doctor's Data, Inc.) hair elements test with counting rules applied. You can order the test kit through DLS (Direct Lab Services) without a doc and they'll give you a discount if you mention this group. S S Re: Source of metals Posted by: " K P " kp_mlist@... kp_mlist Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:52 am (PST) ------------------------------------------------------------ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! Weight Loss Program http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=_VB5dt1Q1gu8woPU438H6wAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loGUsiTeHAA\ AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUr47liI= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Here is a post & a link on point made about validity of tests from Rhonda in the TACA group - somewhat different to what was being advocated below. From what I understand, the porphyrin shows kidney toxicity which is supposed to be indicative of total toxic body burden. However, I have known parents who had normal porphyrin levels but pulled high levels of metals on a UTM (the provocative urine toxic metal test). Unsure why this occurred...were the metals hiding elsewhere? did it only indicate a recent exposure? Unsure. However, chelation did provide great gains in that case. To read more regarding porphyrin evaluation and determining heavy metal toxicity in general using either challenge or porphyrin tests go to: http://www.icdrc.org/documents/Rossignol%20porphyrins%20medical%20veritas%202007\ ..pdf HTH, Rhonda ________________________________ From: Ross <mrossgrp@...> Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 11:45:48 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Source of metals K P wrote: > > , Thanks for the book reference. > Why do you say that the challenge tests are often inaccurate & > meaningless? > False positives and negatives. Of no diagnostic utility. Dangerous because of redistribution of metals to the brain and other organs. Here are some of the things Andy Cutler has to say about challenge tests. http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=%2Bfrom%3A*cutler*+challenge+test & su\ bmit=Search! & max=20 & sort=score & idxname=nn & idxname=am & idxname=fdc & idxname=amc > ________________________________ > From: Ross <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > > <mailto: %40> > Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 9:22:36 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] Source of metals > > Good answers to your question would be VERY long. The good news is that > they can all be found in Andy Cutler's book: Heir Test Interpretations. > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > <http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html> It details ALL possible > sources of toxic metals, and whether hair test results actually reflect > body burden. > > Challenge tests are dangerous, and often inaccurate and meaningless. > > > > K P wrote: > > > > What could be possible sources of Barium, Tin, Cadmium, Cesium besides > > Mercury & Lead in children. > > Are these as toxic as Mercury & Lead? What are some of the symptoms > > associated with these Metals found in excess in a challenge test. > > We are trying to identify sources so as to eliminate them? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Kay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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