Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

[Guest guest]

Hi

What a great summary. Keep this on file to refer back to in future - it might

be an interesting baseline. I'm sure others will comment and I'll be

interested to see what they say. The main thing that would concern me,

unfortunately, is the breast feeding. I do wonder if he is better weaned first

to remove the chance of any ongoing exposure from your amalgams. Don't panic

about taking some time to be sure you get it right - I know you are aware that

chelation is a marathon not a sprint and the right preparation (within reason)

is well justified. Plus remember, everything that you are doing is already

helping him. Kind regards,

Alison W

>

> My husband and I are preparing to start chelating our son this weekend

(Thursday actually, after preschool lets out). I was thinking we'd try 1mg DMSA

every two hours during the day and every four hours at night, for three days,

then take four days off.

>

> I apologize as this must be a FAQ. I've been reading this group, onibasu.com

archives, Dana's View, and Andy Cutler's two books for various conditions to

watch out for, but I fear I haven't found them all in the short time that I've

been looking and I don't want to miss a serious issue and regress my kid. At the

same time, we want to get him started chelating because we're fairly convinced

it's the only thing that will fundamentally help him while we're waiting for

behavioral therapies to get scheduled. In short, we don't want to waste his

still significantly plastic brain cells.

>

> Here's what we know and don't know:

>

> * Our son is almost four years old. An experienced psychologist thinks

preliminarily that his behavior seems like PDD-NOS or Asperger's. In addition to

behaving poorly, he has been sleeping poorly (waking 6 to 12 or more times

anxious at night, occasionally with sleep apnea, constantly has dark circles

under his eyes) and eating poorly (appetite waned and changed), all of which has

been worse in the past few months. He has had a non-itchy raised rash of rings

all over his torso, cracking and tearing fingernails, and slight proteinuria

that come and go. His behavior often changes noticeably after he eats and after

he poops.

>

> * We are vegan. Since March 20, we have been eating gluten-free and

dairy-free, and his behavior has steadily improved (with supplements, listed

below).

>

> * We don't yet have his DDI hair elements profile.

>

> * We don't know the source of whatever's making him sick. He has no fillings.

We are not vaccinating him, though he did get mercury (thimerosal) through me

when he was a 13-week-old fetus. I'm still breastfeeding him at night (mostly

for comfort, I suspect) and I've got half a dozen dental amalgams plus other

metals in my mouth, ate lots of restaurant sushi, grew up next to an oil

refinery, etc. He was exposed to black mold for six months (had chronic cough)

last winter. We moved but now live in a house that was tented for termites in

July 2009.

>

> * He had a significant bacterial overgrowth on April 20, when we did an

organic acids test (which also showed high oxidative stress). He probably still

has it, though today his appetite seemed better. For months, his poop has been

orange-ish and very soft, with undigested bits. We have taken a stool sample and

will send it tomorrow for detailed DNA analysis to test for 40+ parasites (his

generic ovum-and-parasite test came back clean, but we've since learned that it

looks only for three parasites). So we don't yet know what bug(s) are

overgrowing in his gut. Since the test we have been giving him this daily:

>

> + Digestive enzymes (Zand QuickDigest, 1 or more tablets before meals and on

demand)

> + Probiotics (Bio-K+ [50B organisms] and acidophilus tablets [1B organisms]

on demand)

> + More methylcobalamin B-12 (usually between 3 and 6 mg, recently started

spreading throughout day)

> + More omega-3s (V-Pure 350mg EPA/50mg DHA in smoothies, in addition to

ground flax seed and chia seed that he has always liked on cereal)

> + More vitamins A, C, and E (Juice Plus Chewables, 4 red and 4 green,

equivalent of 144%, 114% and 92% of the daily adult recommended amounts,

respectively)

>

> On May 7, we added this:

> + Glycine (500mg or as much as he'll take, usually less, likes on his

tongue)

> + Hepata-Chord (half dropper, twice daily)

> + Taurine in juice or chamomile tea (500mg or as much as he'll take, usually

less)

> + Milk thistle (quarter dropper, four times daily, but he doesn't like the

bitter taste so usually much less)

>

> Today I tried to add 1/16 t. Epsom salts in half a cup water for magnesium. He

took two sips total.

>

> From now on, we will introduce new supplements no more densely than one per

week. My shopping list tentatively includes zinc, inositol, molybdenum, chromium

picolinate, chewable B-complex, and caprylic acid.

>

> Questions:

>

> * Is it safe to proceed with very-low-dose very-frequent DMSA chelation given

the above-described situation?

>

> * Should we wait for the hair test first?

>

> * Should I wean him completely first?

>

> * Should any other supplements be in place before we start chelating? If so,

in what order?

>

> * Must we be diligent about getting the same amounts of supplements into him

daily, or is it reasonable to let his own intuition govern this? (We intend to

be more rigorous with ALA and DMSA amounts, and for the first weeks will use

only DMSA.)

>

> * What supplements and foods should we AVOID before and during chelation to

avoid redistribution or regression? So far I've noted these (any errors?):

>

> Can exacerbate mercury effects:

> - Sulfur foods, especially garlic

> - Turmeric (which contains curcumin)?

>

> Can be dangerous:

> - Cilantro (including the same plant's powdered seed, coriander?)

> - Chlorella

>

> Can be dangerous with DMSA in combination with ALA:

> - High copper or zinc level in body

>

> Can be dangerous with ALA:

> - Cysteine

> - Glutathione

> - MSM

> - NAC

> - High copper level in body

> - High plasma cysteine in body

>

> Thank you!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, . I second the kudos on a great synopsis!

I think 1mg is unnecessarily low (and possibly ineffective), but that is me. I

didn't catch how much he weighs, but my guess is 5mgs would be about 1/8th mg/lb

for an almost 4 yr old.

I don't believe curcumin has any detrimental effects with DMSA and mercury.

How much soy does he eat? That can also be problematic and a removal should be

explored.

I'd get more than 1B count probiotics in him. Florajen3 has 15B and is found in

health food stores. I honestly don't know if it is CF.

Bathe him in the epsom salts instead of drinking. That might be better to

minimize any increased loose stools. Some say to start with a small amount in

the tub. Rinse him off after with clean water if you like or leave it on his

skin to dry. That will be your decision based on his response (or lack of it).

Zinc and molybdenum will greatly help any potential copper overload. The

molybdenum can be found in liquid form (Nutricology). Zinc might help the

nails. People tend to use a mg amount that equals his weight in lbs plus 20

mgs. Spread that out over 3-4 doses during the day for absorbtion. I like zinc

picolinate here.

good luck to you with chelation. And yes, avoid lots of cilantro and any

chlorella whether or not you are chelating.

Pam

p.s. you will likely need some type of yeast protocol. Grapefruit seed extract

is easy to try. Nutribiotic drops are commonly used.

>

> My husband and I are preparing to start chelating our son this weekend

(Thursday actually, after preschool lets out). I was thinking we'd try 1mg DMSA

every two hours during the day and every four hours at night, for three days,

then take four days off.

>

> I apologize as this must be a FAQ. I've been reading this group, onibasu.com

archives, Dana's View, and Andy Cutler's two books for various conditions to

watch out for, but I fear I haven't found them all in the short time that I've

been looking and I don't want to miss a serious issue and regress my kid. At the

same time, we want to get him started chelating because we're fairly convinced

it's the only thing that will fundamentally help him while we're waiting for

behavioral therapies to get scheduled. In short, we don't want to waste his

still significantly plastic brain cells.

>

> Here's what we know and don't know:

>

> * Our son is almost four years old. An experienced psychologist thinks

preliminarily that his behavior seems like PDD-NOS or Asperger's. In addition to

behaving poorly, he has been sleeping poorly (waking 6 to 12 or more times

anxious at night, occasionally with sleep apnea, constantly has dark circles

under his eyes) and eating poorly (appetite waned and changed), all of which has

been worse in the past few months. He has had a non-itchy raised rash of rings

all over his torso, cracking and tearing fingernails, and slight proteinuria

that come and go. His behavior often changes noticeably after he eats and after

he poops.

>

> * We are vegan. Since March 20, we have been eating gluten-free and

dairy-free, and his behavior has steadily improved (with supplements, listed

below).

>

> * We don't yet have his DDI hair elements profile.

>

> * We don't know the source of whatever's making him sick. He has no fillings.

We are not vaccinating him, though he did get mercury (thimerosal) through me

when he was a 13-week-old fetus. I'm still breastfeeding him at night (mostly

for comfort, I suspect) and I've got half a dozen dental amalgams plus other

metals in my mouth, ate lots of restaurant sushi, grew up next to an oil

refinery, etc. He was exposed to black mold for six months (had chronic cough)

last winter. We moved but now live in a house that was tented for termites in

July 2009.

>

> * He had a significant bacterial overgrowth on April 20, when we did an

organic acids test (which also showed high oxidative stress). He probably still

has it, though today his appetite seemed better. For months, his poop has been

orange-ish and very soft, with undigested bits. We have taken a stool sample and

will send it tomorrow for detailed DNA analysis to test for 40+ parasites (his

generic ovum-and-parasite test came back clean, but we've since learned that it

looks only for three parasites). So we don't yet know what bug(s) are

overgrowing in his gut. Since the test we have been giving him this daily:

>

> + Digestive enzymes (Zand QuickDigest, 1 or more tablets before meals and on

demand)

> + Probiotics (Bio-K+ [50B organisms] and acidophilus tablets [1B organisms]

on demand)

> + More methylcobalamin B-12 (usually between 3 and 6 mg, recently started

spreading throughout day)

> + More omega-3s (V-Pure 350mg EPA/50mg DHA in smoothies, in addition to

ground flax seed and chia seed that he has always liked on cereal)

> + More vitamins A, C, and E (Juice Plus Chewables, 4 red and 4 green,

equivalent of 144%, 114% and 92% of the daily adult recommended amounts,

respectively)

>

> On May 7, we added this:

> + Glycine (500mg or as much as he'll take, usually less, likes on his

tongue)

> + Hepata-Chord (half dropper, twice daily)

> + Taurine in juice or chamomile tea (500mg or as much as he'll take, usually

less)

> + Milk thistle (quarter dropper, four times daily, but he doesn't like the

bitter taste so usually much less)

>

> Today I tried to add 1/16 t. Epsom salts in half a cup water for magnesium. He

took two sips total.

>

> From now on, we will introduce new supplements no more densely than one per

week. My shopping list tentatively includes zinc, inositol, molybdenum, chromium

picolinate, chewable B-complex, and caprylic acid.

>

> Questions:

>

> * Is it safe to proceed with very-low-dose very-frequent DMSA chelation given

the above-described situation?

>

> * Should we wait for the hair test first?

>

> * Should I wean him completely first?

>

> * Should any other supplements be in place before we start chelating? If so,

in what order?

>

> * Must we be diligent about getting the same amounts of supplements into him

daily, or is it reasonable to let his own intuition govern this? (We intend to

be more rigorous with ALA and DMSA amounts, and for the first weeks will use

only DMSA.)

>

> * What supplements and foods should we AVOID before and during chelation to

avoid redistribution or regression? So far I've noted these (any errors?):

>

> Can exacerbate mercury effects:

> - Sulfur foods, especially garlic

> - Turmeric (which contains curcumin)?

>

> Can be dangerous:

> - Cilantro (including the same plant's powdered seed, coriander?)

> - Chlorella

>

> Can be dangerous with DMSA in combination with ALA:

> - High copper or zinc level in body

>

> Can be dangerous with ALA:

> - Cysteine

> - Glutathione

> - MSM

> - NAC

> - High copper level in body

> - High plasma cysteine in body

>

> Thank you!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> * Our son is almost four years old. An experienced psychologist thinks

preliminarily that his behavior seems like PDD-NOS or Asperger's. In addition to

behaving poorly, he has been sleeping poorly (waking 6 to 12 or more times

anxious at night, occasionally with sleep apnea, constantly has dark circles

under his eyes)

Consider phenol issues and yeast overgrowth, both of which caused dark undereye

circles and sleep problems at my house

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>>He has had a non-itchy raised rash of rings all over his torso,

Ringworm? Check google images and see if it looks like ringworm, which is a

yeast issue on the skin.

>>cracking and tearing fingernails,

The nail itself, or the skin surrounding the nail?

>>and slight proteinuria that come and go. His behavior often changes noticeably

after he eats and after he poops.

If it gets worse after eating, and better after pooping, try digestive enzymes.

>>his poop has been orange-ish and very soft, with undigested bits.

Can you identify what foods are undigested?

The orange color would make me suspect inability to convert carotenes, which was

my son's main problem.

> + Digestive enzymes (Zand QuickDigest, 1 or more tablets before meals and on

demand)

I would try a formula especially for autistic kids, like HNI [which I used],

Kirkman, Klaire, etc.

> + More methylcobalamin B-12 (usually between 3 and 6 mg, recently started

spreading throughout day)

Do you mean 3-6mg, or 3-6mcg?

mB12 increased yeast at my house. It also required carnitine, folic acid, and

B2 for proper absorption. [Folic acid and B2 deficiency caused severe hangnails

here, if your child's nail issues are hangnails.]

> Today I tried to add 1/16 t. Epsom salts in half a cup water for magnesium. He

took two sips total.

Give him an epsom salt bath instead.

Dana

[Guest guest]

He has had a non-itchy raised rash of rings all over his torso, cracking and

tearing fingernails, and slight proteinuria that come and go. His behavior often

changes noticeably after he eats and after he poops.

- Has the rash been diagnosed? Is it ringworm (fungal tinea)? May need

Canesten cream or treatment with diluted Grapefruit Seed Extract.

For months, his poop has been orange-ish and very soft, with undigested bits.

- Yeast and maldigestion

> >

> > + Digestive enzymes (Zand QuickDigest, 1 or more tablets before meals and

on demand)

> > + Probiotics (Bio-K+ [50B organisms] and acidophilus tablets [1B

organisms] on demand)

> > + More methylcobalamin B-12 (usually between 3 and 6 mg, recently started

spreading throughout day)

> > + More omega-3s (V-Pure 350mg EPA/50mg DHA in smoothies, in addition to

ground flax seed and chia seed that he has always liked on cereal)

> > + More vitamins A, C, and E (Juice Plus Chewables, 4 red and 4 green,

equivalent of 144%, 114% and 92% of the daily adult recommended amounts,

respectively)

- I think you need a lot more of the C. For the A, you can use mycellized drops

which are higher dosage. With MB12, you usually need some folate or folinic.

> > On May 7, we added this:

> > + Glycine (500mg or as much as he'll take, usually less, likes on his

tongue)

> > + Hepata-Chord (half dropper, twice daily)

> > + Taurine in juice or chamomile tea (500mg or as much as he'll take,

usually less)

> > + Milk thistle (quarter dropper, four times daily, but he doesn't like the

bitter taste so usually much less)

- For us, glycine increased yeast a lot. It helps move metals out of the cells,

which is good when you are chelating (if your chelator is sufficient) but can

stress the body if there's nothing to pick those metal ions up.

> > Today I tried to add 1/16 t. Epsom salts in half a cup water for magnesium.

He took two sips total.

- I would save the Epsom salts for the bath. There are other ways to get

magnesium which he'll be more likely to take: Floradix liquid magnesium or

IonicFizz magnesium are more palatable. You can also use Ancient Minerals

magnesium chloride oil topically but it may cause itching at first (it did for

me).

> > From now on, we will introduce new supplements no more densely than one per

week. My shopping list tentatively includes zinc, inositol, molybdenum, chromium

picolinate, chewable B-complex, and caprylic acid.

> >

> > Questions:

> >

> > * Is it safe to proceed with very-low-dose very-frequent DMSA chelation

given the above-described situation?

> >

- I would get the caprylic or something like GSE and biotin going at the same

time to help with yeast.

> > * Should we wait for the hair test first?

> >

- No, I think you can assume he has some mercury issues.

> > * Should I wean him completely first?

> >

- I would wean him at this age.

> > * Should any other supplements be in place before we start chelating? If so,

in what order?

- More magnesium. He may need some protein/whey given his diet.

> >

> > * Must we be diligent about getting the same amounts of supplements into him

daily, or is it reasonable to let his own intuition govern this? (We intend to

be more rigorous with ALA and DMSA amounts, and for the first weeks will use

only DMSA.)

> >

- Depends on how he tolerates supplements. But more vitamin C, like a buffered

ester-C would be good.

> > * What supplements and foods should we AVOID before and during chelation to

avoid redistribution or regression? So far I've noted these (any errors?):

> >

> > Can exacerbate mercury effects:

> > - Sulfur foods, especially garlic

> > - Turmeric (which contains curcumin)?

> >

> > Can be dangerous:

> > - Cilantro (including the same plant's powdered seed, coriander?)

> > - Chlorella

> >

> > Can be dangerous with DMSA in combination with ALA:

> > - High copper or zinc level in body

> >

> > Can be dangerous with ALA:

> > - Cysteine

> > - Glutathione

> > - MSM

> > - NAC

> > - High copper level in body

> > - High plasma cysteine in body

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Alison,

Thank you for replying. We've started the weaning process and our son seems

okay. He's not happy about swapping nursing for extra morning Mom time, but he's

going along with it.

[Guest guest]

Hi detoxhealing,

Thank you for the detailed review and recommendations!

> - Has the rash been diagnosed? Is it ringworm (fungal tinea)? May need

Canesten cream or treatment with diluted Grapefruit Seed Extract.

The rash has generally been more gone than not in the past couple weeks. Our

naturopathic doctor thought it might be ringworm but (oddly, I thought) didn't

look at or suggest treating it. Our pediatrician did look at it and thought it

was probably not ringworm because " ringworm doesn't come and go like that. "

Neither feels comfortable supervising chelation, but our pediatrician

recommended an MD who might, whom I've yet to find time to phone...

> - I think you need a lot more of the C. For the A, you can use mycellized

drops which are higher dosage. With MB12, you usually need some folate or

folinic.

The Juice Plus chewables that he's been taking have folic acid and he seems more

himself (calmer, clearer thinking) when we give him B-12. Does this suggest that

his body is using B-12 sufficiently? (I ask because I read recently that folic

acid supplementation has been linked with later cancer, so I don't want to

overdo it...?)

I'll look into increasing the C and A.

> - For us, glycine increased yeast a lot. It helps move metals out of the

cells, which is good when you are chelating (if your chelator is sufficient) but

can stress the body if there's nothing to pick those metal ions up.

I will pay attention to this. Yesterday our son ate sugar-containing cupcakes at

a birthday party, then later said the glycine tasted " too sweet " and wouldn't

take any; his appetite went back down and we happened to run out of digestive

enzymes. In general his appetite seems better in the mornings, worse around

supper time. Parasite?

> - I would get the caprylic or something like GSE and biotin going at the same

time to help with yeast.

Done, and done (waiting on the GSE to be delivered). How much caprylic acid is

suitable for 40-lb 4-year-old? (He crunched about 125mg tablet chunk in his

morning cereal and drank another pulverized 125mg in evening pear juice.) Is it

okay to use biotin with caprylic acid? (The B-complex chewable that I just got

has 300mcg biotin.)

> - More magnesium. He may need some protein/whey given his diet.

Will get magnesium. We gave him a weak (1 cup) Epsom salts bath tonight and he

had no discernible negative reaction. He was chattier than usual at bedtime, but

that may have been because we're changing our routine (no more nursing).

While I was getting GSE from Nutribiotic, I also ordered their Organic Rice

Protein (80% protein, non-sulfur) and Hypo-Aller C. My husband has a dairy

protein allergy, which is one reason our family went vegan. We don't know

whether our son is allergic, but we'll give more (non-sulfur) protein as much as

possible. I'm thinking I'll whiz the rice protein into his nightly (non-sulfur)

fruit smoothie or juice.

Thanks again for all the advice,

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

Thank you for your informative reply.

> I think 1mg is unnecessarily low (and possibly ineffective), but that is me.

I didn't catch how much he weighs, but my guess is 5mgs would be about 1/8th

mg/lb for an almost 4 yr old.

Doh, I neglected to mention he weighs 40lbs. Yes, I was initially thinking 5mgs

as a starting DMSA dosage, but then I thought a much smaller one might be safer

given that he has a current yeast and/or parasite infection.

Perhaps the more fundamental question is this: Do parents routinely do safe

chelation rounds *while* their kids are fighting yeast/parasites?

> I don't believe curcumin has any detrimental effects with DMSA and mercury.

Not sure where I got that tidbit (will note better citations in future) but this

sulfur foods web site:

http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-list/

claims " though not high in thiols, [turmeric] is really good at raising thiol

levels " and " Consuming foods high in thiols raises the circulating thiol levels

which in turn mobilizes mercury and creates symptoms. " Is this true only for

thiol-sensitive individuals? (I've made a note to do a sulfur-exclusion test on

my son to see if it suggests he has high plasma cysteine.)

> How much soy does he eat? That can also be problematic and a removal should

be explored.

He eats loads and on occasion craves it (most often soy milk or tofu). We've

been trying to moderate his diet, but with the yeast/parasite thing currently

going on his tastes are very picky. Are you thinking soy may be questionable

because of its high sulfur?

> I'd get more than 1B count probiotics in him. Florajen3 has 15B and is found

in health food stores. I honestly don't know if it is CF.

I'll check it out. He eats handfuls of 1B acidophilus tablets at a time, so I

think a higher dosage will be more practical.

Thank you for the specific brand and dosage recommendations on molybdenum, zinc,

and GSE. I ordered the Nutricology GSE and today got some 10mg zinc (Carlson's

Zinc Ease, a citrate). I have to resist my impulse to start him on everything

immediately, but will do so.

Thanks again for all the advice,

[Guest guest]

> I ordered the Nutricology GSE

Excuse me, I meant Nutribiotic GSE.

R

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

Thank you for the links and information.

> >>cracking and tearing fingernails,

>

> The nail itself, or the skin surrounding the nail?

Now that you mention it, he has started to have many hangnails, too (affecting

the skin surrounding nail). His fingernails themselves also crack and peel off

around the tips, particularly on his thumbs.

> >>his poop has been orange-ish and very soft, with undigested bits.

>

> Can you identify what foods are undigested?

>

> The orange color would make me suspect inability to convert carotenes, which

was my son's main problem.

Interesting. I'll take a closer look.

> I would try a formula especially for autistic kids, like HNI [which I used],

Kirkman, Klaire, etc.

I'll look into this.

> > + More methylcobalamin B-12 (usually between 3 and 6 mg, recently started

spreading throughout day)

>

> Do you mean 3-6mg, or 3-6mcg?

The bottle labels say " mg " so I assume milligrams. One says explicitly " 5mg

(5,000 mcg) " .

> mB12 increased yeast at my house. It also required carnitine, folic acid, and

B2 for proper absorption. [Folic acid and B2 deficiency caused severe hangnails

here, if your child's nail issues are hangnails.]

Doh, we do *not* need more yeast. Is there a way to determine a reasonable

dosage of methyl-B12 for a 40-lb kid (that won't increase yeast yet will provide

the needed nutrient)?

I just picked up a B-complex chewable today that has B2 and folic acid. I've

never heard of carnitine, will look it up.

Thanks again,

[Guest guest]

,

Most of us don't wait for yeast to be eliminated (unless we have a misinformed

DAN! doctor who says the gut has to be 100% OK before chelation). Honestly,

yeast can be under control, but not gone until the mercury is gone. That is

sadly one of the effects of toxicity.

So, unless yeast is WAY out of control, go ahead and chelate with the lower

doses and high frequency (every 3-4 hours for 72 hours). Keep a yeast protocol

on board and maybe chelate every other weekend.

Ah, we don't have any sulfur issues here, so I'm am not always remembering that

things might be high sulfur and problematic. That will be a case by case basis.

I give my son tons of curcumin these days (using Enhansa). If you have big

sulfur problems, it is even more important to use DMSA according to its half

life (every 4 hours or less). Try a sulfur elimination diet to reduce symptoms

while chelating. I think that is helpful... again, I have no experience here.

Soy protein is one of those foods, along with gluten and casein, that cause

problems in many of our kids. When my son was a toddler, soy milk was worse

than casein (cow) as far as causing skin problems, gi problems and behaviors.

He was able to tolerate soy lecithin in crackers and cereals, though. Soy

protein can be not so good for boys, too. Google Wake Forest University and

soy: there are studies that show a diet high in soy protein (but still in

amounts people consume when soy is their primary protein source) elicited

aggressive and antisocial behavior in male monkeys. Soy is one of those things

that sadly fell in to the erroneous " if some is good, more is better " category

based on 1 study that showed soy is good for post menopausal women. Try Pacific

Brand Almond Milk. I like that. Hemp milk is apparently OK but I've never

tasted it.

I haven't read what others say about starting with 1mg DMSA. If they say to do

it that way, then certainly don't start with 5mgs just because I said so. You

can always increase it mg by mg with each round.

Pam

>

> Hi Pam,

>

> Thank you for your informative reply.

>

> > I think 1mg is unnecessarily low (and possibly ineffective), but that is me.

I didn't catch how much he weighs, but my guess is 5mgs would be about 1/8th

mg/lb for an almost 4 yr old.

>

> Doh, I neglected to mention he weighs 40lbs. Yes, I was initially thinking

5mgs as a starting DMSA dosage, but then I thought a much smaller one might be

safer given that he has a current yeast and/or parasite infection.

>

> Perhaps the more fundamental question is this: Do parents routinely do safe

chelation rounds *while* their kids are fighting yeast/parasites?

>

> > I don't believe curcumin has any detrimental effects with DMSA and mercury.

>

> Not sure where I got that tidbit (will note better citations in future) but

this sulfur foods web site:

>

>

http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-list/

>

> claims " though not high in thiols, [turmeric] is really good at raising thiol

levels " and " Consuming foods high in thiols raises the circulating thiol levels

which in turn mobilizes mercury and creates symptoms. " Is this true only for

thiol-sensitive individuals? (I've made a note to do a sulfur-exclusion test on

my son to see if it suggests he has high plasma cysteine.)

>

> > How much soy does he eat? That can also be problematic and a removal should

be explored.

>

> He eats loads and on occasion craves it (most often soy milk or tofu). We've

been trying to moderate his diet, but with the yeast/parasite thing currently

going on his tastes are very picky. Are you thinking soy may be questionable

because of its high sulfur?

>

> > I'd get more than 1B count probiotics in him. Florajen3 has 15B and is

found in health food stores. I honestly don't know if it is CF.

>

> I'll check it out. He eats handfuls of 1B acidophilus tablets at a time, so I

think a higher dosage will be more practical.

>

> Thank you for the specific brand and dosage recommendations on molybdenum,

zinc, and GSE. I ordered the Nutricology GSE and today got some 10mg zinc

(Carlson's Zinc Ease, a citrate). I have to resist my impulse to start him on

everything immediately, but will do so.

>

> Thanks again for all the advice,

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dana,

> Now that you mention it, he has started to have many hangnails, too (affecting

the skin surrounding nail).

Folic acid and B2 deficiency here.

> The bottle labels say " mg " so I assume milligrams. One says explicitly " 5mg

(5,000 mcg) " .

I have used Jarrow mB12, 5mg per tablet. Good stuff.

> Doh, we do *not* need more yeast. Is there a way to determine a reasonable

dosage of methyl-B12 for a 40-lb kid (that won't increase yeast yet will provide

the needed nutrient)?

Pretty much everything I gave my son that helped in his recovery, tended to

increase yeast. So in my opinion, just because something tends to increase

yeast, is not a reason to stop using it. However, you may need to use a lower

dose for a while so you can keep the yeast under control.

Dana

[Guest guest]

We are all fighting Yeast while chelating. It is a side affect of the metals

travleing through the gut on the way out. They kill off " good " bacteria on their

way through the gut.

That is why you need to have a yeast protocol on board when chelating.

TJ

________________________________

From: its_the_mercury <its_the_mercury@...>

Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:13:13 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

 

Hi Pam,

Thank you for your informative reply.

> I think 1mg is unnecessarily low (and possibly ineffective), but that is me. I

didn't catch how much he weighs, but my guess is 5mgs would be about 1/8th mg/lb

for an almost 4 yr old.

Doh, I neglected to mention he weighs 40lbs. Yes, I was initially thinking 5mgs

as a starting DMSA dosage, but then I thought a much smaller one might be safer

given that he has a current yeast and/or parasite infection.

Perhaps the more fundamental question is this: Do parents routinely do safe

chelation rounds *while* their kids are fighting yeast/parasites?

> I don't believe curcumin has any detrimental effects with DMSA and mercury.

Not sure where I got that tidbit (will note better citations in future) but this

sulfur foods web site:

http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-list/

claims " though not high in thiols, [turmeric] is really good at raising thiol

levels " and " Consuming foods high in thiols raises the circulating thiol levels

which in turn mobilizes mercury and creates symptoms. " Is this true only for

thiol-sensitive individuals? (I've made a note to do a sulfur-exclusion test on

my son to see if it suggests he has high plasma cysteine.)

> How much soy does he eat? That can also be problematic and a removal should be

explored.

He eats loads and on occasion craves it (most often soy milk or tofu). We've

been trying to moderate his diet, but with the yeast/parasite thing currently

going on his tastes are very picky. Are you thinking soy may be questionable

because of its high sulfur?

> I'd get more than 1B count probiotics in him. Florajen3 has 15B and is found

in health food stores. I honestly don't know if it is CF.

I'll check it out. He eats handfuls of 1B acidophilus tablets at a time, so I

think a higher dosage will be more practical.

Thank you for the specific brand and dosage recommendations on molybdenum, zinc,

and GSE. I ordered the Nutricology GSE and today got some 10mg zinc (Carlson's

Zinc Ease, a citrate). I have to resist my impulse to start him on everything

immediately, but will do so.

Thanks again for all the advice,

[Guest guest]

We didn't start chelation last week because our son was having much trouble

sleeping (frequent night waking) and eating (low appetite, picky about foods).

He had (has?) a yeast and/or bacterial overgrowth. Grapefruit seed extract (1

drop [10mg] in water per day) for a couple days seemed to help, assuming

improved appetite and sleep indicate that. Three nights ago, he was noticeably

calm, lucid, and loving at bedtime and then slept unusually well, waking only

once around midnight.

However, he seems somewhat sensitive to phenol foods: the past couple nights, he

has been more distracted, mischievous, and chatty at bedtime and then wakes many

times through the night, after eating a moderate amount. Could this also mean

yeast is coming back? As far as I can tell, he has a moderate tolerance for

sulfur foods (I have yet to do a rigorous sulfur-foods test, but have moderated

his intake lately).

So now we're considering starting DMSA in a couple days, keeping a

sulfur-moderate, phenol-moderate, gluten-free, dairy-free diet in place. More

questions:

* Does it matter whether you give DMSA with or without water, meals, protein,

....?

* How do you physically get the DMSA into your child? I read that it doesn't

smell or taste great and noted one parent mixes it with pear puree. How does

this work with a sleepy kid at night?

* Do you change anything at night besides the dose frequency? For instance, do

kids generally tolerate double dosages at night?

* Is it advised to give an anti-yeast supplement prophylactically (such as GSE)

during chelation, even when the child doesn't seem to have an active yeast

infection? How important is biotin with GSE?

* What reactions in your child, if any, would cause you to abort the round

(before three days is up)?

* How long after we start chelation does it make sense to do a 24-hour urine

test to see what our child is actually excreting? (I read on one of this group's

threads that one couple didn't see any mercury coming out of their child until

round 4, perhaps due to supplements the child was taking. Is after a month

generally a good time to check?)

* I picked up a B-complex multivitamin containing vitamin C: 250mg, B1: 7.5mg,

B2: 8.5mg, niacin: 50mg, B6: 10mg, folate: 400mcg, B12: 30mcg, biotin: 300mcg,

pantothenic acid: 50mg, inositol: 30mg, PABA: 20mg, " stress and vitamin C

support base " of acerola and rose hips: 30mg, and choline: 30 mg. Should I try

to start him on this before chelating (he's getting methyl B12 but otherwise no

overlap with this)? Would starting zinc be more important than starting this?

Thank you,

[Guest guest]

We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give a

treat after the dose. Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

No double doses.

Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot in

time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

TJ

________________________________

From: its_the_mercury <its_the_mercury@...>

Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:47:24 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

 

We didn't start chelation last week because our son was having much trouble

sleeping (frequent night waking) and eating (low appetite, picky about foods).

He had (has?) a yeast and/or bacterial overgrowth. Grapefruit seed extract (1

drop [10mg] in water per day) for a couple days seemed to help, assuming

improved appetite and sleep indicate that. Three nights ago, he was noticeably

calm, lucid, and loving at bedtime and then slept unusually well, waking only

once around midnight.

However, he seems somewhat sensitive to phenol foods: the past couple nights, he

has been more distracted, mischievous, and chatty at bedtime and then wakes many

times through the night, after eating a moderate amount. Could this also mean

yeast is coming back? As far as I can tell, he has a moderate tolerance for

sulfur foods (I have yet to do a rigorous sulfur-foods test, but have moderated

his intake lately).

So now we're considering starting DMSA in a couple days, keeping a

sulfur-moderate, phenol-moderate, gluten-free, dairy-free diet in place. More

questions:

* Does it matter whether you give DMSA with or without water, meals, protein,

....?

* How do you physically get the DMSA into your child? I read that it doesn't

smell or taste great and noted one parent mixes it with pear puree. How does

this work with a sleepy kid at night?

* Do you change anything at night besides the dose frequency? For instance, do

kids generally tolerate double dosages at night?

* Is it advised to give an anti-yeast supplement prophylactically (such as GSE)

during chelation, even when the child doesn't seem to have an active yeast

infection? How important is biotin with GSE?

* What reactions in your child, if any, would cause you to abort the round

(before three days is up)?

* How long after we start chelation does it make sense to do a 24-hour urine

test to see what our child is actually excreting? (I read on one of this group's

threads that one couple didn't see any mercury coming out of their child until

round 4, perhaps due to supplements the child was taking. Is after a month

generally a good time to check?)

* I picked up a B-complex multivitamin containing vitamin C: 250mg, B1: 7.5mg,

B2: 8.5mg, niacin: 50mg, B6: 10mg, folate: 400mcg, B12: 30mcg, biotin: 300mcg,

pantothenic acid: 50mg, inositol: 30mg, PABA: 20mg, " stress and vitamin C

support base " of acerola and rose hips: 30mg, and choline: 30 mg. Should I try

to start him on this before chelating (he's getting methyl B12 but otherwise no

overlap with this)? Would starting zinc be more important than starting this?

Thank you,

[Guest guest]

> * I picked up a B-complex multivitamin containing vitamin C: 250mg, B1: 7.5mg,

B2: 8.5mg, niacin: 50mg, B6: 10mg, folate: 400mcg, B12: 30mcg, biotin: 300mcg,

pantothenic acid: 50mg, inositol: 30mg, PABA: 20mg, " stress and vitamin C

support base " of acerola and rose hips: 30mg, and choline: 30 mg. Should I try

to start him on this before chelating (he's getting methyl B12 but otherwise no

overlap with this)? Would starting zinc be more important than starting this?

For full context, perhaps I should mention that in coming weeks I also intend to

add these (based on recommendations in this thread), in approximately this order

(after some sort of B-complex and zinc):

* molybdenum

* perhaps biotin to go with the GSE

* more vitamin A (mycellized drops)

* more vitamin E

* perhaps inositol on its own

* maybe chromium picolinate

I've already increased his vitamin C, A, and E somewhat. He won't take milk

thistle extract or caprylic acid (tastes vile) and doesn't yet know how to

swallow pills. I just offered him some chewable lemon-flavored zinc citrate

(10mg) and he spat it out saying, when I asked, that it tasted like metal. Based

on what Andy Cutler's Hair Test Interpretation book says (page 118), perhaps

this means he has adequate zinc. Or maybe he just doesn't like the taste of this

particular supplement.

Anyway, more broadly, should I reconsider anything about the supplements in my

" to be added " list?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

>

> We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give a

treat after the dose.

Ah, clever! Will do.

> Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

Good.

> DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

> No double doses.

Oops, I should've mentioned that we were planning to do 2.5mg every *two* hours

during the day and every four hours at night, based on what seemed easiest for a

family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this somewhere

on this group).

> Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

> What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot in

time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

This makes sense. I did pick up a 24-hour urine test because of what I read in

Andy Cutler's Amalgam Illness regarding when to start ALA (page 203):

" I suggest not using lipoic acid until urine or blood mercury is observed to

have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

than those at the onset of poisoning. "

I'm assuming our son's exposure was primarily prenatal four+ years ago (through

my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch for a 50%

drop from peak. But maybe there's a way to tell from your child's behavior when

it's reasonable to start ALA???

Thank you again for everything,

[Guest guest]

For children with no amalgams and no recent exposure to lead or mercury, Andy

has said you can start with ALA right away.

Some folks will do 8 rounds or so of DMSA only, just to be on the super safe

side.

The idea of starting with DMSA only is to reduce the body burden of mercury or

lead before adding ALA which crosses the blood brain barrier.

If there has been no recent exposure the metals are already in the tissues and

brain and no longer in the blood.

Keep to the every four hour schedule, this is very important. It respects the

half life of the chelator.

When you add ALA, it's every three hours.

TJ

________________________________

From: its_the_mercury <its_the_mercury@...>

Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 10:38:18 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

 

>

> We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give a

treat after the dose.

Ah, clever! Will do.

> Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

Good.

> DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

> No double doses.

Oops, I should've mentioned that we were planning to do 2.5mg every *two* hours

during the day and every four hours at night, based on what seemed easiest for a

family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this somewhere

on this group).

> Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

> What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot in

time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

This makes sense. I did pick up a 24-hour urine test because of what I read in

Andy Cutler's Amalgam Illness regarding when to start ALA (page 203):

" I suggest not using lipoic acid until urine or blood mercury is observed to

have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

than those at the onset of poisoning. "

I'm assuming our son's exposure was primarily prenatal four+ years ago (through

my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch for a 50%

drop from peak. But maybe there's a way to tell from your child's behavior when

it's reasonable to start ALA???

Thank you again for everything,

[Guest guest]

what is recomended for kid with amalgum

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

Received: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 1:49 PM

 

For children with no amalgams and no recent exposure to lead or mercury,

Andy has said you can start with ALA right away.

Some folks will do 8 rounds or so of DMSA only, just to be on the super safe

side.

The idea of starting with DMSA only is to reduce the body burden of mercury or

lead before adding ALA which crosses the blood brain barrier.

If there has been no recent exposure the metals are already in the tissues and

brain and no longer in the blood.

Keep to the every four hour schedule, this is very important. It respects the

half life of the chelator.

When you add ALA, it's every three hours.

TJ

________________________________

From: its_the_mercury <its_the_mercury@...>

Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 10:38:18 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

 

>

> We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give a

treat after the dose.

Ah, clever! Will do.

> Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

Good.

> DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

> No double doses.

Oops, I should've mentioned that we were planning to do 2.5mg every *two* hours

during the day and every four hours at night, based on what seemed easiest for a

family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this somewhere

on this group).

> Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

> What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot in

time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

This makes sense. I did pick up a 24-hour urine test because of what I read in

Andy Cutler's Amalgam Illness regarding when to start ALA (page 203):

" I suggest not using lipoic acid until urine or blood mercury is observed to

have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

than those at the onset of poisoning. "

I'm assuming our son's exposure was primarily prenatal four+ years ago (through

my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch for a 50%

drop from peak. But maybe there's a way to tell from your child's behavior when

it's reasonable to start ALA???

Thank you again for everything,

[Guest guest]

Dont chelate until you have them removed.

Karla

>

> >

>

> > We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give

a treat after the dose.

>

>

>

> Ah, clever! Will do.

>

>

>

> > Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

>

>

>

> Good.

>

>

>

> > DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

>

> > No double doses.

>

>

>

> Oops, I should've mentioned that we were planning to do 2.5mg every *two*

hours during the day and every four hours at night, based on what seemed easiest

for a family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this

somewhere on this group).

>

>

>

> > Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

>

> > What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot

in time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

>

>

>

> This makes sense. I did pick up a 24-hour urine test because of what I read in

Andy Cutler's Amalgam Illness regarding when to start ALA (page 203):

>

>

>

> " I suggest not using lipoic acid until urine or blood mercury is observed to

have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

than those at the onset of poisoning. "

>

>

>

> I'm assuming our son's exposure was primarily prenatal four+ years ago

(through my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch

for a 50% drop from peak. But maybe there's a way to tell from your child's

behavior when it's reasonable to start ALA???

>

>

>

> Thank you again for everything,

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With amalgams??? No chelation, please, go to have them safely removed first,

then do the protocol as recommended in Amalgam illness book, from Andy Cutler.

Isa

Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

[ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

 

>

> We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give a

treat after the dose.

Ah, clever! Will do.

> Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

Good.

> DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

> No double doses.

Oops, I should've mentioned that we were planning to do 2.5mg every *two* hours

during the day and every four hours at night, based on what seemed easiest for a

family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this somewhere

on this group).

> Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

> What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot in

time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

This makes sense. I did pick up a 24-hour urine test because of what I read in

Andy Cutler's Amalgam Illness regarding when to start ALA (page 203):

" I suggest not using lipoic acid until urine or blood mercury is observed to

have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

than those at the onset of poisoning. "

I'm assuming our son's exposure was primarily prenatal four+ years ago (through

my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch for a 50%

drop from peak. But maybe there's a way to tell from your child's behavior when

it's reasonable to start ALA???

Thank you again for everything,

[Guest guest]

Yes, have them removed safely. Then DMSA only for 8-10 rounds to lower the body

burden.

Then you can add ALA

TJ

________________________________

From: wiersmak <wiersmak@...>

Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:08:52 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

 

Dont chelate until you have them removed.

Karla

>

> >

>

> > We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give

a treat after the dose.

>

>

>

> Ah, clever! Will do.

>

>

>

> > Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

>

>

>

> Good.

>

>

>

> > DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

>

> > No double doses.

>

>

>

> Oops, I should've mentioned that we were planning to do 2.5mg every *two*

hours during the day and every four hours at night, based on what seemed easiest

for a family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this

somewhere on this group).

>

>

>

> > Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

>

> > What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot

in time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

>

>

>

> This makes sense. I did pick up a 24-hour urine test because of what I read in

Andy Cutler's Amalgam Illness regarding when to start ALA (page 203):

>

>

>

> " I suggest not using lipoic acid until urine or blood mercury is observed to

have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

than those at the onset of poisoning. "

>

>

>

> I'm assuming our son's exposure was primarily prenatal four+ years ago

(through my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch

for a 50% drop from peak. But maybe there's a way to tell from your child's

behavior when it's reasonable to start ALA???

>

>

>

> Thank you again for everything,

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> For children with no amalgams and no recent exposure to lead or mercury, Andy

has said you can start with ALA right away.

While he has no amalgams, we don't know the source, and we don't yet have hair

results. We're going to start with DMSA only, in order to see if that has an

effect. If it does, then I think this will mean we will have to look harder at

our environment. If it doesn't have an effect, then we will add the ALA. I hope

someone will tell me if this logic is unsound.

> Some folks will do 8 rounds or so of DMSA only, just to be on the super safe

side.

Right, we want to be on the super safe side.

> Keep to the every four hour schedule, this is very important. It respects the

half life of the chelator.

My understanding is that more frequent doses are fine. Andy Cutler writes in

Amalgam Illness (page 199), " I suggest [DMSA] administration every four hours

*or more frequently* during a chelation campaign. " (Emphasis mine.)

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the replies

my kid is 5 yrs and 10 months old.has 7 root canals.He needed 2 but doctor

suggested since he could not express pain and has to be put under we do

7......on the safe side.I was unaware of the harm so i let that happen.now with

GFCF and yeast control i see a lot of positive change in him.

Im looking forward to chelation but scared about removing so many amalgams.will

he need to be put under again.i dont want to wait till he looses those

teeth......another 5 to 6 yrs.

is there no middle way of chelation with the amalgams

Please advice

Laila

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

Received: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 4:06 PM

 

Yes, have them removed safely. Then DMSA only for 8-10 rounds to lower the

body burden.

Then you can add ALA

TJ

________________________________

From: wiersmak <wiersmak@...>

Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:08:52 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: safe to start DMSA chelation Thursday?

 

Dont chelate until you have them removed.

Karla

>

> >

>

> > We mix DMSA with apple juice and give it to our boy in an oral syringe. Give

a treat after the dose.

>

>

>

> Ah, clever! Will do.

>

>

>

> > Before, after, or during meals, doesn't matter.

>

>

>

> Good.

>

>

>

> > DMSA is every four hours, day and night. No difference.

>

> > No double doses.

>

>

>

> Oops, I should've mentioned that we were planning to do 2.5mg every *two*

hours during the day and every four hours at night, based on what seemed easiest

for a family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this

somewhere on this group).

>

>

>

> > Urine testing is not helpful. You go by symptoms. If you are getting subtle,

positive results weekly, you know you are doing the right thing.

>

> > What happens many times is people look at a urine test, which is a snapshot

in time, and then they make poor decisions about chelation.

>

>

>

> This makes sense. I did pick up a 24-hour urine test because of what I read in

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have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

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(through my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch

for a 50% drop from peak. But maybe there's a way to tell from your child's

behavior when it's reasonable to start ALA???

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Not safely and not without the risk of causing more damage.

Karla

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for a family who had lots of symptoms stirring during chelation (I read this

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have fallen 80% from its peak value for cases where the onset of poisoning was

within the last 2 years, or 50% for cases where the onset of poisoning was much

earlier and where it is believed current levels of mercury excretion are lower

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(through my amalgams and my flu vaccination), so I was thinking we should watch

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behavior when it's reasonable to start ALA???

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