Re: share some experience of DMSA chelation on my son (7 years old)

September 1, 2010

Sounds like a horrible program you have going there. A great way to cause more

damage.

Low and frequent dosing is the only safe way to do chelation.

You have to respect the half-life of the chelating agent or you will

re-distribute the metals in your childs body and cause more damage.

TJ

________________________________

From: richardpang56 <richardpang56@...>

Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:45:43 AM

Subject: [ ] share some experience of DMSA chelation on my son (7

years old)

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My son is a no-verbal boy. Soometimes, he utters some words. We started a DMSA

chelation 3 months ago. We are fortunate to have a friend whoes son went

throught a DAN protocol (200mg, 200mg, and 300mg a day for 3 days). He had a

high fever initially and overcame it. After one year, significant improvement

was observed. He is in the second year of DMSA chelation. We initailly followed

the AC protocol (25mg, gradually increased to a 50mg level). He was happy during

the cycle and was cranky when DMSA was off (I assumed the mobile mercury hurt

his nerve system). He had a dark, swollen area around his eyes and those areas

were very itch. Onetime, he had a swollen ear. After one and a half month, We

could not stop the last cycle of a 50mg level. My son felt hurted extremely. We

restarted feeding at a level of 25 mg. But, it's no use. In sheer desperation, I

put in 100mg of ALA in addition to 25 mg. It worked to stablize his condition. I

put him on 200mg of ALA and 50 mg of DMSA (twice a day, feeding time 8:00am and

4:00pm) for 7 days. I noticed the morning dosage lasted 8 hours because of the

empty stomach and the effect of the afternoon dosage was less. I switched back

to DMSA (100mg, twice a day) for 3 days. My son was very happy for 8 days. My

son went back on DMSA (200mg (8:00am), 300mg (4:00pm)) for 3 days and (100mg

(8:00am), 100mg (4:00pm)) for 6 days. He is now very happy after the feeding of

DMSA stopped. No more itch and swollen facial areas!

September 1, 2010

I started the DMSA chelation with the AC protocol. It did not work out

unfortunately.

>

> Sounds like a horrible program you have going there. A great way to cause more

> damage.

> Low and frequent dosing is the only safe way to do chelation.

> You have to respect the half-life of the chelating agent or you will

> re-distribute the metals in your childs body and cause more damage.

> TJ

>

> ________________________________

> From: richardpang56 <richardpang56@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:45:43 AM

> Subject: [ ] share some experience of DMSA chelation on my son (7

> years old)

>

> Â

> My son is a no-verbal boy. Soometimes, he utters some words. We started a DMSA

> chelation 3 months ago. We are fortunate to have a friend whoes son went

> throught a DAN protocol (200mg, 200mg, and 300mg a day for 3 days). He had a

> high fever initially and overcame it. After one year, significant improvement

> was observed. He is in the second year of DMSA chelation. We initailly

followed

> the AC protocol (25mg, gradually increased to a 50mg level). He was happy

during

> the cycle and was cranky when DMSA was off (I assumed the mobile mercury hurt

> his nerve system). He had a dark, swollen area around his eyes and those areas

> were very itch. Onetime, he had a swollen ear. After one and a half month, We

> could not stop the last cycle of a 50mg level. My son felt hurted extremely.

We

> restarted feeding at a level of 25 mg. But, it's no use. In sheer desperation,

I

> put in 100mg of ALA in addition to 25 mg. It worked to stablize his condition.

I

> put him on 200mg of ALA and 50 mg of DMSA (twice a day, feeding time 8:00am

and

> 4:00pm) for 7 days. I noticed the morning dosage lasted 8 hours because of the

> empty stomach and the effect of the afternoon dosage was less. I switched back

> to DMSA (100mg, twice a day) for 3 days. My son was very happy for 8 days. My

> son went back on DMSA (200mg (8:00am), 300mg (4:00pm)) for 3 days and (100mg

> (8:00am), 100mg (4:00pm)) for 6 days. He is now very happy after the feeding

of

> DMSA stopped. No more itch and swollen facial areas!

>

September 1, 2010

TJ is right. You are going to hurt your kid with doses like that and with that

chelation schedule.

>

> Sounds like a horrible program you have going there. A great way to cause more

> damage.

> Low and frequent dosing is the only safe way to do chelation.

> You have to respect the half-life of the chelating agent or you will

> re-distribute the metals in your childs body and cause more damage.

> TJ

>

> ________________________________

> From: richardpang56 <richardpang56@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:45:43 AM

> Subject: [ ] share some experience of DMSA chelation on my son (7

> years old)

>

> Â

> My son is a no-verbal boy. Soometimes, he utters some words. We started a DMSA

> chelation 3 months ago. We are fortunate to have a friend whoes son went

> throught a DAN protocol (200mg, 200mg, and 300mg a day for 3 days). He had a

> high fever initially and overcame it. After one year, significant improvement

> was observed. He is in the second year of DMSA chelation. We initailly

followed

> the AC protocol (25mg, gradually increased to a 50mg level). He was happy

during

> the cycle and was cranky when DMSA was off (I assumed the mobile mercury hurt

> his nerve system). He had a dark, swollen area around his eyes and those areas

> were very itch. Onetime, he had a swollen ear. After one and a half month, We

> could not stop the last cycle of a 50mg level. My son felt hurted extremely.

We

> restarted feeding at a level of 25 mg. But, it's no use. In sheer desperation,

I

> put in 100mg of ALA in addition to 25 mg. It worked to stablize his condition.

I

> put him on 200mg of ALA and 50 mg of DMSA (twice a day, feeding time 8:00am

and

> 4:00pm) for 7 days. I noticed the morning dosage lasted 8 hours because of the

> empty stomach and the effect of the afternoon dosage was less. I switched back

> to DMSA (100mg, twice a day) for 3 days. My son was very happy for 8 days. My

> son went back on DMSA (200mg (8:00am), 300mg (4:00pm)) for 3 days and (100mg

> (8:00am), 100mg (4:00pm)) for 6 days. He is now very happy after the feeding

of

> DMSA stopped. No more itch and swollen facial areas!

>

September 1, 2010

I do not recommend this. We did IV chelation for seven months about once a

week. then my son starting having asthma attacks after treatment. The

second time, it spiraled into pneumonia. We stopped. Then this past summer

we did one month of IV with EDTA and again, on the third round, he had an

asthma attack while we were stuck in traffic on the highway. It was SCARY.

We will never again do IV chelation.

Read Andy's book. We are preparing to do the AC Protocol.

Our son made steady and sometimes phenomenal gains early on by cleaning up

the diet and adding supplementation. Reduce your child's toxic load (what

he eats, wears, sleeps on, puts on his body) as much as you can.

September 1, 2010

In the case of my son (50 lbs body weight), low dosage feeding such as 25mg or

50 mg follows the half-life rule (3-4 hour feeding intervals). However, large

dosages (>=100mg) last 8 hours or more.

The first improvement was observed after the first round of large dosage

treatment. My son starts following us in the supermarket or malls. Before, he

was running as if we were not there.

Cheers,

>

> Sounds like a horrible program you have going there. A great way to cause more

> damage.

> Low and frequent dosing is the only safe way to do chelation.

> You have to respect the half-life of the chelating agent or you will

> re-distribute the metals in your childs body and cause more damage.

> TJ

>

> ________________________________

> From: richardpang56 <richardpang56@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:45:43 AM

> Subject: [ ] share some experience of DMSA chelation on my son (7

> years old)

>

> Â

> My son is a no-verbal boy. Soometimes, he utters some words. We started a DMSA

> chelation 3 months ago. We are fortunate to have a friend whoes son went

> throught a DAN protocol (200mg, 200mg, and 300mg a day for 3 days). He had a

> high fever initially and overcame it. After one year, significant improvement

> was observed. He is in the second year of DMSA chelation. We initailly

followed

> the AC protocol (25mg, gradually increased to a 50mg level). He was happy

during

> the cycle and was cranky when DMSA was off (I assumed the mobile mercury hurt

> his nerve system). He had a dark, swollen area around his eyes and those areas

> were very itch. Onetime, he had a swollen ear. After one and a half month, We

> could not stop the last cycle of a 50mg level. My son felt hurted extremely.

We

> restarted feeding at a level of 25 mg. But, it's no use. In sheer desperation,

I

> put in 100mg of ALA in addition to 25 mg. It worked to stablize his condition.

I

> put him on 200mg of ALA and 50 mg of DMSA (twice a day, feeding time 8:00am

and

> 4:00pm) for 7 days. I noticed the morning dosage lasted 8 hours because of the

> empty stomach and the effect of the afternoon dosage was less. I switched back

> to DMSA (100mg, twice a day) for 3 days. My son was very happy for 8 days. My

> son went back on DMSA (200mg (8:00am), 300mg (4:00pm)) for 3 days and (100mg

> (8:00am), 100mg (4:00pm)) for 6 days. He is now very happy after the feeding

of

> DMSA stopped. No more itch and swollen facial areas!

>

September 1, 2010

As I said before, I started with the AC protocol (DMSA). It did not work. I

don't have IV and EDTA experiences. No comments. The point is that when a

child is off DMSA (e.g., after a three day cycle), he should feel good. The

life of my son was miserable when he was off DMSA during the initial one and

half a month of chelation.

>

> I do not recommend this. We did IV chelation for seven months about once a

> week. then my son starting having asthma attacks after treatment. The

> second time, it spiraled into pneumonia. We stopped. Then this past summer

> we did one month of IV with EDTA and again, on the third round, he had an

> asthma attack while we were stuck in traffic on the highway. It was SCARY.

> We will never again do IV chelation.

>

> Read Andy's book. We are preparing to do the AC Protocol.

>

> Our son made steady and sometimes phenomenal gains early on by cleaning up

> the diet and adding supplementation. Reduce your child's toxic load (what

> he eats, wears, sleeps on, puts on his body) as much as you can.

>

September 1, 2010

oh my. Is that how your friend described the DAN! protocol or are you making it

up yourself? Twice a day for DMSA is not nearly enough, and the amounts are too

high. Right now, it seems you are following nobody's protocol.

I do not like this. I know you seem to see improvements, but I think this is

risky. Very stressful on the organs.

I realize some of what you say is lost in translation. You say your son had a

lot of pain when you used a little DMSA but did better when you used more DMSA?

When you say you did the AC protocol, you were giving DMSA every 4 hours (even

at night) for 3 days? You did that for 6 weeks (some with ALA)... meaning you

completed 6 rounds of AC chelation? Now you give DMSA only 2 times per day and

with very high doses and you have done this for how many weeks?

When you had him stabalized with 100 mgs ALA and 25 mgs DMSA, why did you stop

this?

Pam

>

> My son is a no-verbal boy. Soometimes, he utters some words. We started a

DMSA chelation 3 months ago. We are fortunate to have a friend whoes son went

throught a DAN protocol (200mg, 200mg, and 300mg a day for 3 days). He had a

high fever initially and overcame it. After one year, significant improvement

was observed. He is in the second year of DMSA chelation. We initailly

followed the AC protocol (25mg, gradually increased to a 50mg level). He was

happy during the cycle and was cranky when DMSA was off (I assumed the mobile

mercury hurt his nerve system). He had a dark, swollen area around his eyes and

those areas were very itch. Onetime, he had a swollen ear. After one and a

half month, We could not stop the last cycle of a 50mg level. My son felt

hurted extremely. We restarted feeding at a level of 25 mg. But, it's no use.

In sheer desperation, I put in 100mg of ALA in addition to 25 mg. It worked to

stablize his condition. I put him on 200mg of ALA and 50 mg of DMSA (twice a

day, feeding time 8:00am and 4:00pm) for 7 days. I noticed the morning dosage

lasted 8 hours because of the empty stomach and the effect of the afternoon

dosage was less. I switched back to DMSA (100mg, twice a day) for 3 days. My

son was very happy for 8 days. My son went back on DMSA (200mg (8:00am), 300mg

(4:00pm)) for 3 days and (100mg (8:00am), 100mg (4:00pm)) for 6 days. He is now

very happy after the feeding of DMSA stopped. No more itch and swollen facial

areas!

>

September 1, 2010

Sounds like yeast. Did you have a yeast protocol in place?

TJ

________________________________

From: Pang <richardpang56@...>

Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 2:10:17 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: share some experience of DMSA chelation on my son

(7 years old)

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As I said before, I started with the AC protocol (DMSA). It did not work. I

don't have IV and EDTA experiences. No comments. The point is that when a child

is off DMSA (e.g., after a three day cycle), he should feel good. The life of my

son was miserable when he was off DMSA during the initial one and half a month

of chelation.

>

> I do not recommend this. We did IV chelation for seven months about once a

> week. then my son starting having asthma attacks after treatment. The

> second time, it spiraled into pneumonia. We stopped. Then this past summer

> we did one month of IV with EDTA and again, on the third round, he had an

> asthma attack while we were stuck in traffic on the highway. It was SCARY.

> We will never again do IV chelation.

>

> Read Andy's book. We are preparing to do the AC Protocol.

>

> Our son made steady and sometimes phenomenal gains early on by cleaning up

> the diet and adding supplementation. Reduce your child's toxic load (what

> he eats, wears, sleeps on, puts on his body) as much as you can.

>

September 1, 2010

,

I believe the following of the half life of DMSA is to keep the blood

concentrations of DMSA constant throughout the round to minimize redistribution

of heavy metals and minimize the stress on the organs that aide in detox.

What you are doing, by giving the dose every 8 hours and every 16 hours (you

give a dose at 4 pm and then not again until 8 am, correct?) is to have huge

peaks and valleys of DMSA. I do not follow your reasoning for using the large

doses based on the half life argument. What you would do is still give the drug

every 3.2-4 hours (regardless of the milligram dose) because that is the half

life.

Am I getting this wrong, folks?

Thanks,

Pam

> >

> > Sounds like a horrible program you have going there. A great way to cause

more

> > damage.

> > Low and frequent dosing is the only safe way to do chelation.

> > You have to respect the half-life of the chelating agent or you will

> > re-distribute the metals in your childs body and cause more damage.

> > TJ

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: richardpang56 <richardpang56@>

> >

> > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:45:43 AM

> > Subject: [ ] share some experience of DMSA chelation on my son

(7

> > years old)

> >

> > Â

> > My son is a no-verbal boy. Soometimes, he utters some words. We started a

DMSA

> > chelation 3 months ago. We are fortunate to have a friend whoes son went

> > throught a DAN protocol (200mg, 200mg, and 300mg a day for 3 days). He had a

> > high fever initially and overcame it. After one year, significant

improvement

> > was observed. He is in the second year of DMSA chelation. We initailly

followed

> > the AC protocol (25mg, gradually increased to a 50mg level). He was happy

during

> > the cycle and was cranky when DMSA was off (I assumed the mobile mercury

hurt

> > his nerve system). He had a dark, swollen area around his eyes and those

areas

> > were very itch. Onetime, he had a swollen ear. After one and a half month,

We

> > could not stop the last cycle of a 50mg level. My son felt hurted extremely.

We

> > restarted feeding at a level of 25 mg. But, it's no use. In sheer

desperation, I

> > put in 100mg of ALA in addition to 25 mg. It worked to stablize his

condition. I

> > put him on 200mg of ALA and 50 mg of DMSA (twice a day, feeding time 8:00am

and

> > 4:00pm) for 7 days. I noticed the morning dosage lasted 8 hours because of

the

> > empty stomach and the effect of the afternoon dosage was less. I switched

back

> > to DMSA (100mg, twice a day) for 3 days. My son was very happy for 8 days.

My

> > son went back on DMSA (200mg (8:00am), 300mg (4:00pm)) for 3 days and (100mg

> > (8:00am), 100mg (4:00pm)) for 6 days. He is now very happy after the feeding

of

> > DMSA stopped. No more itch and swollen facial areas!

> >

September 1, 2010

Sorry you don't like what you are hearing but like others said you are going to

hurt your son with your made up protocol.

If ac chelation was causing issues it was you not the protocol. Possibly you

dis no properly supplement, address adrenal fatigue, thyroid issues etc.

Good luck with your protocol I hope it turns out OK.

> >

> > I do not recommend this. We did IV chelation for seven months about once a

> > week. then my son starting having asthma attacks after treatment. The

> > second time, it spiraled into pneumonia. We stopped. Then this past summer

> > we did one month of IV with EDTA and again, on the third round, he had an

> > asthma attack while we were stuck in traffic on the highway. It was SCARY.

> > We will never again do IV chelation.

> >

> > Read Andy's book. We are preparing to do the AC Protocol.

> >

> > Our son made steady and sometimes phenomenal gains early on by cleaning up

> > the diet and adding supplementation. Reduce your child's toxic load (what

> > he eats, wears, sleeps on, puts on his body) as much as you can.

> >

September 1, 2010

What about liver damage???

Z

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:17 PM, ideals04 <ideals04@...> wrote:

>

> Sorry you don't like what you are hearing but like others said you are

> going to hurt your son with your made up protocol.

>

> If ac chelation was causing issues it was you not the protocol. Possibly

> you dis no properly supplement, address adrenal fatigue, thyroid issues etc.

>

> Good luck with your protocol I hope it turns out OK.

>

> > >

> > > I do not recommend this. We did IV chelation for seven months about

> once a

> > > week. then my son starting having asthma attacks after treatment. The

> > > second time, it spiraled into pneumonia. We stopped. Then this past

> summer

> > > we did one month of IV with EDTA and again, on the third round, he had

> an

> > > asthma attack while we were stuck in traffic on the highway. It was

> SCARY.

> > > We will never again do IV chelation.

> > >

> > > Read Andy's book. We are preparing to do the AC Protocol.

> > >

> > > Our son made steady and sometimes phenomenal gains early on by cleaning

> up

> > > the diet and adding supplementation. Reduce your child's toxic load

> (what

> > > he eats, wears, sleeps on, puts on his body) as much as you can.

> > >

September 1, 2010

, were you giving generous amounts of antioxidants per the protocol both

on/off rounds? Vitamin C, magnesium and milk thistle 4x a day, vitamin E and A

at least daily and zinc along with adrenal cortex extract? DMSA is not

accessing mercury in the key organs, and it can lower neutrophils causing yeast

or infections to flare, so some kids don't show much gain with DMSA alone. ALA

is the key chelator in the AC protocol. But it should be dosed every 3 hours or

less. I would not be so quick to drop AC protocol after limited experience

using only DMSA, especially if other supplements were not complete.

ALA is a powerful antioxidant, so you may be seeing some relief from oxidative

stress. ALA also induces euphoric (happy) feelings when it is moving the

mercury around - some adults and I report this feeling on-round. But that does

not mean your protocol is correct. You should increase non-chelating

antioxidants and avoid redistribution using high doses of chelators.

I know of a child here who regressed (lost speech) after a high single dose ALA,

and an adult who almost died from an overdose of ALA (via IV) due to the massive

redistribution. But the symptoms of gradual mercury buildup in the brain don't

always appear immediately.

Jo

> > >

> > > I do not recommend this. We did IV chelation for seven months about once

a

> > > week. then my son starting having asthma attacks after treatment. The

> > > second time, it spiraled into pneumonia. We stopped. Then this past

summer

> > > we did one month of IV with EDTA and again, on the third round, he had an

> > > asthma attack while we were stuck in traffic on the highway. It was

SCARY.

> > > We will never again do IV chelation.

> > >

> > > Read Andy's book. We are preparing to do the AC Protocol.

> > >

> > > Our son made steady and sometimes phenomenal gains early on by cleaning up

> > > the diet and adding supplementation. Reduce your child's toxic load (what

> > > he eats, wears, sleeps on, puts on his body) as much as you can.

> > >

September 1, 2010