RE: why does andy say that mhbot is bad again????

January 5, 2011

Did you look up his posts?

I am re-post from onibasu regarding HBOT from Andy:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/154359.html

Parent; Hi,

Apparently, HBOT is big talk at the DAN conference and a

study was cited claiming great improvement in young ASD children

under age 4.

Andy: Yup.

Must be the same guys as who write all the papers about how

they gave 3,000 people DMPS inejctions without one problem.

I presume they argue with people who are reporting problems

then only count the results for those who keep coming back. A trick

learned from mainstream medical clinical trials btw.

Autism is NOT an indication for HBOT. It will actually make

a lot of autistics worse.

Heavy metal toxicity is a CONTRAindication for HBOT.

Proper indications for HBOT are head injury/brain damage,

and MS like autoimmunity (from which the relief is temporary but may

last a yearor so).

Generally if someone is responding to chelation, HBOT is a

poor choice. If they are well chelated, even though not done,

and some things have gotten MUCH MUCH better while others haven't

changed at all, then HBOT is a very reasonable thing to try.

If they did not respond to a proper trial of chelation on an

appropriate protocol then HBOT may be worth trying.

Simply breathing 100% oxygen at ambient pressure is a good

first step and is often cheaper and easier to arrange. Positive

response to that suggests trying HBOT (and probably just using the regular O2 if

HBOT isn't better), negative response makes it clear not to try HBOT, if nothing

in particular happens then you would have to try HBOT to know if it is a good

choice.

Since it is an intervention where the doctor doesn't

actually do much thinking but rather has the people come back and pay time after

time for routine technician work, it will be very faddish despite the fact it

will hurt a lot of children, as e. g. glutathione iv's are and DMPS injections

were with adults.

Andy

HBOT can make a lot of kids worse....you don't know which kid you're going to

get either until you start doing the HBOT.

Jan

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January 5, 2011

He still doesn't say " why " it isn't good....I wonder why?

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From: mercurybabies2 <mercurybabies2@...>

Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 9:24:19 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: why does andy say that mhbot is bad again????

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Did you look up his posts?

I am re-post from onibasu regarding HBOT from Andy:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/154359.html

Parent; Hi,

Apparently, HBOT is big talk at the DAN conference and a

study was cited claiming great improvement in young ASD children

under age 4.

Andy: Yup.

Must be the same guys as who write all the papers about how

they gave 3,000 people DMPS inejctions without one problem.

I presume they argue with people who are reporting problems

then only count the results for those who keep coming back. A trick

learned from mainstream medical clinical trials btw.

Autism is NOT an indication for HBOT. It will actually make

a lot of autistics worse.

Heavy metal toxicity is a CONTRAindication for HBOT.

Proper indications for HBOT are head injury/brain damage,

and MS like autoimmunity (from which the relief is temporary but may

last a yearor so).

Generally if someone is responding to chelation, HBOT is a

poor choice. If they are well chelated, even though not done,

and some things have gotten MUCH MUCH better while others haven't

changed at all, then HBOT is a very reasonable thing to try.

If they did not respond to a proper trial of chelation on an

appropriate protocol then HBOT may be worth trying.

Simply breathing 100% oxygen at ambient pressure is a good

first step and is often cheaper and easier to arrange. Positive

response to that suggests trying HBOT (and probably just using the regular O2 if

HBOT isn't better), negative response makes it clear not to try HBOT, if nothing

in particular happens then you would have to try HBOT to know if it is a good

choice.

Since it is an intervention where the doctor doesn't

actually do much thinking but rather has the people come back and pay time after

time for routine technician work, it will be very faddish despite the fact it

will hurt a lot of children, as e. g. glutathione iv's are and DMPS injections

were with adults.

Andy

HBOT can make a lot of kids worse....you don't know which kid you're going to

get either until you start doing the HBOT.

Jan

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January 5, 2011

HBOT does help the body to chelate..maybe depending on how it is done..could

move things around and cause other issues..so I think to chelate first..get most

of the toxic out and then give HBOT a go...but I have also heard both can work

in tandem depending on the child...

autism treatment

From: kategrayce11@...

Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:42:01 -0800

Subject: [ ] why does andy say that mhbot is bad again????

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January 5, 2011

Hello,

It doesn't make any sense? and where it does, it's probably the placebo effect,

that one doesn't always feel a high from oxygen for what that's worth? ($$$)

They pump oxygen into casinos to make people more elated so they will gamble

more. That's a fact. Would we be gambling with HBOT in that respect?

Damage from oxygen deprivation, whenever, tends to be permanent. (Hello?) They

say you can't hardly make up for a loss of " sleep " (Who's they?!. Have you

proven as much otherwise?) so how can you expect to rectify permanent damage

from oxygen treatment, and how realistic is it to increase performance

temporarily at the expense of such an expensive intervention? You could probably

do A/C chelation, Etc., for a 1,000 people for what HBOT typically costs for one

person, that costs can't can't hurt or kill you? Let's get our priorities right

in that respect? that too much oxygen also doesn't have side effects if not

serious side effects

Try it if you want, but that's why we haven't tried it yet. It makes no sense if

not costs mega dollars and takes too much time for what it actually has proven

to have done (so bring it on? read further?) I have less expensive interventions

to try, that I also don't want a life for my children

If your HBOT is going well please let's hear about that, but only where we

invite *criticism,* (constructive criticism? how about The truth? shouldn't that

count?) ie., those who have a different story to tell, honestly, that everything

shouldn't be balanced and balancing in that respect, that that's not what I'm

really about for what is *working* for us.. . That it would be science or of the

objective facts otherwise? that I should care for any other facts?

I try not to

That would be just me on as much.. .

Glavic

Sorry?!. Whatever. That I need the wrong kind of people. Oh, I really want to

Know

I've been abused a lot? relatively speaking? (I Feel) Relative to as much.. .

I'm not saying it might not work for some, that there isn't gold in a glass of

water

BWT

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January 6, 2011

...........................(stunned silence)..................................I

didn't understand a word you wrote...............

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Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 10:43:39 PM