Re: Spam and Crazy and/or Toxic people

January 6, 2011

I think " every other post " is a bit of an exageration, but I get your point.

I have been here a couple of years, and there have always been crazy people and

spam.

That's what the delete button is for.

-I keep and eye out for people genuinely asking for help that is along the lines

of what I have done to help my boys, and share my experience about what has

worked for our family.

-I save most of Andy's posts and refer to them.

-I try toÂ warn people aboutÂ blatant mis-information that would harm their

children.

- I ignore the crazies as long as they are not advocating harmful protocols like

IV chelation.

Remember that when you are in the mud, wresting with a pig, the pig likes it.

TJ

________________________________

From: ladyshrink222 <Ladyshrink111@...>

Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:57:49 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Chicken Wings / Butternut Squash Soup

Â

Yea, what is up with this list? Every other post is Spam or someone blatantly

selling something or promoting their services. This was never the purpose of

this list. It's very sad to watch the decline. This list was the one we used to

recover our girl, I don't know how anyone gets any meaningful information from

here anymore. It doesn't have to be this way.

> >

> > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

wings...there

> > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

>GF

> > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> >

> > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm up

>this

> > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> >

> > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best yet!

> >

> > Christie Bessinger

> > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> >

>

January 6, 2011

No doubt TK, no doubt at all. We were here long before it got this bad. It's a

shame. I do hope those who are here to find real help do find it. There is good

information to be found int he old posts, the files and with the people who

still try to offer help.

Everyone should avoid clicking the links that are posted as they can send you to

webpages that will infect your computers.

Ugh...

How low do you have to get to spam an autism list....

> > >

> > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> wings...there

> > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> >GF

> > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm up

> >this

> > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > >

> > > Christie Bessinger

> > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > >

> >

>

January 6, 2011

TJ and ,

Thank you for posting this and being blunt yet polite about it. I have spent a

great deal of time on Pecanbread as a newbie and then a moderator and it is a

wonderful group of people. When I came here recently in preparation for

chelating my entire family I was surprised and dismayed and kind of amused to

see all the drama that goes on here.

Is this what I have to expect from my family when we start chelating? Will we

become combative, disconnected and see a decline in our reading comprehension?

I don't mean to sound flip, I am, unfortunately, being very serious. In posting

a serious question earlier I received a couple of useful responses, an email

from someone who helped me considerably but didn't want to post on the list, a

side conversation with someone else having nothing to do with my question or me

and a very long post about all the things I should or shouldn't do...that had

nothing whatsoever to do with what I actually had said in my post. Not to

mention the spam. Pecanbread has virtually no spam appearing in the

messages...the moderators delete it. Doesn't that go on here? Are there

moderators?

Is it worth it to be here or will my time be better spent elsewhere? With three

young boys on SCD, 2 of them in therapies, 2 of them in sports, one in theater

classes and then school for 2 as well...I don't have the patience for this

stuff.

The two of you seem forthright, please level with me...am I going to get answers

I can depend on here?

If anyone is offended by this I am sorry, though not surprised. It seems to be

modus operandi in this neck of the virtual woods. The quip about the pigs in

mud is apt, to say the least. lol

Chrissy

> > >

> > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> wings...there

> > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> >GF

> > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm up

> >this

> > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > >

> > > Christie Bessinger

> > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > >

> >

>

January 6, 2011

,

This isn't what you will see in your family with chelation.

This type of activity and behaviors are usually seen in toxic individuals who

are not chelating and who are allowed to run amok on a list.

Contrary....you will see improved mood and behavior and comprehension/spelling

etc. The adult chelation list does not look like this. It is moderated though.

This list is as far as I know is unmoderated.

I can certainly understand your concern. It concerns me that parents who come

here to be serious and find information, can't.

> > > >

> > > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> > wings...there

> > > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> > >GF

> > > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > >

> > > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm

up

> > >this

> > > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > >

> > > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > > >

> > > > Christie Bessinger

> > > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > > >

> > >

> >

January 6, 2011

Aren't we moderating where we are responding so openly and honestly as we are?

Hello? to Moderation by Communication? (That I have so much respect for

moderation otherwise. Not. Have me if you will or not, Thereof) I contend that

alternative is political and could (as is often tends to be the case?) is worse

than people who do things mostly for money. Money/business often is willing to

encompass the disabled/different where they prove to be valuable at something,

where I find politics to be stiflingly patronizing and stereotyping if not

dishonest, which I find can be as limiting as anything.. .

No. I don't plan on having the last word on this. If chelation promised to turn

me into a political figure though (of such criteria?) I'd stop now. Don't tempt

me? Maybe you'd like to be the government in that respect, what you'd do if you

were in control? .. . I can more than imagine, now

I find anything political enough to censure/censor me in all the ways politics

if not abuse can do so is not the truly objective force I aspire to, be warned?

You don't seem to like what I represent

I don't figure my speaking your language will make me get along with you any

better because I was already there and done that, and I did not find that *good

enough,* (satisfying enough?) so here I am with hopes for something better, (if

not with something better as far as we are concerned?) but if not here, I will

go where I go of as much as I've become, be sure, and dealing with abuse will be

at the *top* of my agenda, as it has been for some time now

I suggest you put it at the top of yours, whoever

Glavic

> > > > >

> > > > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> > > wings...there

> > > > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus

three MORE

> > > >GF

> > > > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > >

> > > > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you

warm up

> > > >this

> > > > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the

best yet!

> > > > >

> > > > > Christie Bessinger

> > > > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

January 6, 2011

Actually I've only noticed things getting a bit crazy the past few weeks.

Before that this seemed like a really safe place to ask questions.

Regarding the toxic people, I guess I felt sorry and wanted to try to help so I

asked a question. However I can see there's no logic there so I'm thinking

" planned ignoring " .

I hope the people who are regulars here will continue. We've only finished

round #8 and we have a long way to go. We will need your support moving forward

and I'm sure we will hit rough patches. This is the very first time in 13 years

that we've had hope and we need your support.

Deb

> > >

> > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> wings...there

> > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> >GF

> > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm up

> >this

> > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > >

> > > Christie Bessinger

> > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > >

> >

>

January 6, 2011

Hi,

I am brand new here and I noticed somebody mentioned IV chelation. Are you

saying that it is best to use oral instead of intravenous? I do not have any

autistic childrenÂ however I have a degree in Psychology and autism is of very

special interest to me. I know many parents who have autistic children and I

would like to know more about chelation so that I can tell them about it.

Thanks,

Cheryl

From: mrboysmom <misterboysmom@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Spam and Crazy and/or Toxic people

Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 9:07 PM

Â

Actually I've only noticed things getting a bit crazy the past few weeks.

Before that this seemed like a really safe place to ask questions.

Regarding the toxic people, I guess I felt sorry and wanted to try to help so I

asked a question. However I can see there's no logic there so I'm thinking

" planned ignoring " .

I hope the people who are regulars here will continue. We've only finished

round #8 and we have a long way to go. We will need your support moving forward

and I'm sure we will hit rough patches. This is the very first time in 13 years

that we've had hope and we need your support.

Deb

> > >

> > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> wings...there

> > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> >GF

> > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm up

> >this

> > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > >

> > > Christie Bessinger

> > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > >

> >

>

January 6, 2011

I have found plenty just using the search button here and on www.onibasu.com.

Perhaps I take for granted my paralegal background and ability to research

quickly and easily.

Here is how I use the list. If I have a specific question, I will first think

if I can word my search so that I can get results I want. For example, I have

searched " kicking " . When I didn't find many posts on problematic kicking, I

posted a question. You can find my posts by doing the search " kicking " or

" elizabeth kicking " .

If my question is quite specific, I will just ask it on a couple of my lists and

then check the replies. I take the key words of the symptoms and key words from

the replies and search in other places on the internet. I look for studies and

articles on it. Sometimes I decide to wait it out. Sometimes I decide I should

do something about it. At least I feel I have a good amount of knowledge on

which to base my decision.

I used to be a member of the TACA group. I am not anymore because I had a

falling out with the moderator over something stupid. The TACA group had some

excellent information on dietary intervention and interventions with high ARI

ratings. www.autism.com (Autism Research Institute Parent Ratings of

Treatments). I am still good friends with on of the main " brains " of the TACA

group and she is one that I run questions by when I am doing my research of

something.

I have found that the more opinions I get, the better. Sometimes they are so

equally opposite, that I decide against doing anything. At least you know.

So in conclusion, don't read every single post that comes along here, just use

the board as a source of knowledge, past and present - for YOUR benefit.

Liz

> > > > >

> > > > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> > > wings...there

> > > > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus

three MORE

> > > >GF

> > > > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > >

> > > > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you

warm up

> > > >this

> > > > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the

best yet!

> > > > >

> > > > > Christie Bessinger

> > > > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

January 7, 2011

----- Original Message -----

From: By Definition

There are always limitations to free expression e.g. can't yell fire in a

theatre, unless there is one. And if you read the group rules, there are limits

as to how someone can act (freely express) on this board.

We come together for a purpose, to help sick children get better. Truth,

justice and the American way will just have to be handled by another power or

board for the time being. Wait, you're not Superman are you? I wouldn't want to

get on HIS bad side.

Aren't we moderating where we are responding so openly and honestly as we are?

Hello? to Moderation by Communication? (That I have so much respect for

moderation otherwise. Not. Have me if you will or not, Thereof) I contend that

alternative is political and could (as is often tends to be the case?) is worse

than people who do things mostly for money. Money/business often is willing to

encompass the disabled/different where they prove to be valuable at something,

where I find politics to be stiflingly patronizing and stereotyping if not

dishonest, which I find can be as limiting as anything.. .

No. I don't plan on having the last word on this. If chelation promised to

turn me into a political figure though (of such criteria?) I'd stop now. Don't

tempt me? Maybe you'd like to be the government in that respect, what you'd do

if you were in control? .. . I can more than imagine, now

I find anything political enough to censure/censor me in all the ways politics

if not abuse can do so is not the truly objective force I aspire to, be warned?

You don't seem to like what I represent

I don't figure my speaking your language will make me get along with you any

better because I was already there and done that, and I did not find that *good

enough,* (satisfying enough?) so here I am with hopes for something better, (if

not with something better as far as we are concerned?) but if not here, I will

go where I go of as much as I've become, be sure, and dealing with abuse will be

at the *top* of my agenda, as it has been for some time now

I suggest you put it at the top of yours, whoever

Glavic

> > > > >

> > > > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> > > wings...there

> > > > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus

three MORE

> > > >GF

> > > > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > >

> > > > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you

warm up

> > > >this

> > > > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the

best yet!

> > > > >

> > > > > Christie Bessinger

> > > > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

January 7, 2011

You're just talking about the danger of experimentation for our selves. It

doesn't change anything, right? Sometimes experimentation takes us to you and

what you're about or talking about and sometimes it takes us to me and what I'm

talking about and sometimes it takes us somewhere else, that it doesn't always

take us to understanding more? (that that isn't the good thing?) which is what

I'm primarily about, and no, I still don't figure it's worth waking up to

chelate in the middle of the night? Why don't you do a survey on that with y/our

membership here to see what you've got right in that respect?

Where people scream fire where there isn't one they shouldn't be taken so

seriously for doing as much, that they are anymore? .. . I don't think your old

idea is taking me anywhere I'm going or want to go? .. .

Rules of Communication? Really? Where'd you get that idea? Not from me, be sure,

that you really understand what communication is? Work on that and I'm sure

you'll understand how to deal with as much.. . that I need you/us otherwise, or

that I should?

Whatever. I read you're upset and I don't really want to make you further upset,

for whatever you might do in that respect, that I'm not trying to help you with

our chelation efforts and children, but I Feel I Am

You seem to as well, in your own way

Best wishes, Thereof, and not so much otherwise

Glavic

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> > > > wings...there

> > > > > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus

three MORE

> > > > >GF

> > > > > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you

warm up

> > > > >this

> > > > > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the

best yet!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Christie Bessinger

> > > > > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > > > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

January 7, 2011

We lost a few really good people when they got sucked down into the mud and

didn't realize it.

I am fortunate enough to have learned this lesson before joining this group. I

will bounce a couple of times with a person, then I realize they just want to

argue, and then I disengage.

These folks leave after a couple weeks at the most. I think they are just bored

and need some drama in their life. The folks that genuinely need help, are

really want to help, tend to stick around.

TJ

________________________________

From: <Ladyshrink111@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 6:33:25 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Spam and Crazy and/or Toxic people

Â

You are a real bright spot here, TJ.

You are right in that this list, largely unmoderated, has always had crazies,

spam and salesmonsters. What's changed is the proportion.

There used to be a core block of good posts and a few smatterings of the nutso

posts. The balance is shifting.

There is value in an unmoderated board, free expression allows for the

generation of new ideas. However, there seems to be no attempt to protect people

from the spamming and ramblings and salespeople, which is clearly against the

group rules.

I do wonder how many people like there are that think about chelating

their children and come on the board and think we are a bunch of loons, because

that is how any normal person would perceive the situation. And who would

believe you could get help here?

Keep doing what you do, TJ.

[ ] Re: Chicken Wings / Butternut Squash Soup

Yea, what is up with this list? Every other post is Spam or someone blatantly

selling something or promoting their services. This was never the purpose of

this list. It's very sad to watch the decline. This list was the one we used to

recover our girl, I don't know how anyone gets any meaningful information from

here anymore. It doesn't have to be this way.

> >

> > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

wings...there

> > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

>

>GF

> > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> >

> > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm up

>this

> > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> >

> > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best yet!

> >

> > Christie Bessinger

> > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> >

>

January 7, 2011

Thanks to those of you that are sane and helpful I have figured out where to go

to ask my questions and so forth. To the poster about researching first...yeah,

I do that but there is something about talking it out with others that I find

REALLY helpful. It is a personality quirk, perhaps. So, I do both but often

ask first. It helps me, also, to know what I am searching for when I do the

research.

I hope this group can end up with a capable moderator and get back on track but

I am outta here. Chelating is too complex and too important to us to mess

around...it is imperative to get the most comprehensive advice I can. I am

definitely not being convinced NOT to chelate because of this weird list, but I

bet others are. I am more stubborn than most, frankly.

I wish you all well and hope to see those of you that make sense and aren't

spammers on the other list I am going to.

Chrissy

> > >

> > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> wings...there

> > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> >

> >GF

> > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm up

> >this

> > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > >

> > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > >

> > > Christie Bessinger

> > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > >

> >

>

January 7, 2011

Maybe someone has suggested the " Recovery From Autism " group to you? It is a

smaller moderated group that discusses Cutler protocol. I think it would fit

your preferences.

Liz

> > > >

> > > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> > wings...there

> > > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> > >

> > >GF

> > > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > >

> > > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm

up

> > >this

> > > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > >

> > > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > > >

> > > > Christie Bessinger

> > > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > > >

> > >

> >

January 7, 2011

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Spam and Crazy and/or Toxic people

Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 6:35

Â

Maybe someone has suggested the " Recovery From Autism " group to you? It is a

smaller moderated group that discusses Cutler protocol. I think it would fit

your preferences.

Liz

> > > >

> > > > If you like Hot wings, Buffalo wings, or Teriyaki style chicken

> > wings...there

> > > > are Gluten-Free options for all of them! Here are the recipes plus three

MORE

> > >

> > >GF

> > > > chicken wing recipes---> http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > >

> > > > And here's a fabulous recipe for Butternut Squash Soup to help you warm

up

> > >this

> > > > winter: http://bit.ly/fmfbFz

> > > >

> > > > I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy 2011 Let's make it the best

yet!

> > > >

> > > > Christie Bessinger

> > > > GlutenFreeWorks.com

> > > > http://bit.ly/g98z19

> > > >

> > >

> >

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