Re: Chelation Therapy....How much time passed before saw results?

[Guest guest]

That which doesn't or won't communicate reasonably with you for understanding,

(of such like-minded and considerate effort on your part? of your feeling/s? of

what is so Primary? Volunteer leader you are in that respect, that you can't

teach every one a thing or two in that respect) for what that's worth and not so

much for abusive power or lucre ($$$) otherwise? (but of the Feeling/s? Hello,

that it or a greater understanding of more isn't about such primary facts, but I

Feel It Is! and such control, no less) is abusing you otherwise, probably

politically or professionally otherwise as seems to be the situation in your

case. Let them understand as much, in a/the considerate way? that that isn't how

communication really works (of a true understanding. Drop hints to the effect of

as much?) and you for what will resolve your issues, Thereof (by as much? .. .

of feeling as understanding and putting your faith in as much, for as much? .. .

I find most things of this world need to be treated so, for all that we can

achieve by as much (think Reason?!. that I have a use for a language or folks of

a language or power otherwise (otherwise of Communication, if not such

communication? .. . that there would be any other.. .

In your case you might also have yeast issues and you should perhaps consider

dealing with as much, of looking into it? (or at least give it a try? that any

one's intuition doesn't work that way of Communication? but I Feel It Does

Such a ruler I am? .. . for my self, no less, (that I would put my trust in

another otherwise? Not, of what I Feel is so Primary to All there is so

meaningful) Thereof, I Am, I Feel as Understand.. . and wish as much for you,

that anything else could survive such reason, but I really doubt it... (from my

results so far) for how exposed of abuse they would be otherwise and how I deal

with such issues (no less). No, I don't feel I need an army or nation or

religion for as much.. .

I don't think you really do either, for what you can do and need to do, Thereof?

... .

Best wishes in that respect

Glavic

Missionary of something so meaningful.. . and of such faith, I Feel I Am, well,

you know, what you understand. Go with as much I'm advising, of as much, Thereof

Speaker in that respect, and not so much otherwise

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> Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days on

but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

>

[Guest guest]

What chelation protocol are you using. What chelators, how much, how often? Is

she on any supplements?

Really can't help without knowing what you're doing.

But with AC chelation we saw progress right from round one.

I haven't found MD's much help with this. So we don't use one.

Jan

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> Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days on

but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

>

[Guest guest]

say what?

> >

> > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days

on but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We've been " with " our DAN! since June. I am scared to imagine how desperate and

lost I could feel without help and information from the parents' lists.

> >

> > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days

on but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

CUTLER CHELATION ALA only - about 1.5 months son stated voices in his head were

going away and he could think more clearly.

Yeast is normal side effect that requires GSE etc or can cause issues you

describe

Good luck!

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> Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days on

but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

We have to deal with *abuse* first (by as much) before anything else will work

so well, I Feel as understand. That should be simple enough for what I can

contribute to the big picture (of what I do) I Feel as understand.

My sense of everything so meaningful? Think Justice?!. (For the Individual? of

Individualizing what needs Individualizing, and not setting people up as

examples to coerce, for group leader's law and order and such abuse, where not

so much for other individuals and justice if not the justness of as much) That I

have any use for a society otherwise, otherwise of as much if not such

understanding

I hope that answers your question.

Glavic

What that was distilled from? .. . of an evolution if not The evolution, of

Feeling as Understanding, but what else, so meaningful

Say what? Say what you will, Feel? .. . We will disagree.. . (I Feel) Who

doesn't? that doesn't do things more perfectly, as to what we feel? that that's

not the real issue (No lying please? .. . I'd rather have lying than censorship,

that I can't deal with lying, [Yes, I Feel I can, as I do almost every minute of

my social day] of my being so reasonable as I am? that I Feel I Am, but

censorship is entirely a different and far more abusive thing, I Feel (Think

abusive if not violent actions? think the world as it is? too much is, of

the/our problem/s?) as far as I'm concerned. That, I figure we have to deal

with, for as much, if not before anything else.. . [Not a language class so

much, so get cracking? with respect to trying to understand more for your self

of as much?!.

You might have it backwards? I could be of Biblical proportions in that respect

(why not?) or maybe not, of the real choice/s (of a greater intelligence?) are

yours in *that/this* respect, I Feel as Understand that any other treatment

would be worth a damn? (Seriously

Thanks for what you do though (in that/this respect, mostly, if not only) and I

would expect the same, that you would have as much to teach me? that we could

teach each other anything, that there isn't a lot more to teach and to teaching,

and health, and justice?

I more than hope you realize I mean well by as much.. That's how reason works, I

Feel (going with as much? of our feeling/s, of understanding, that knowledge

would be or is worth a crap otherwise) is my sense of It, that most of us can't

figure that out for ourselves, (what makes sense? of what is primary if not so

primary? to communication of communication, more than any language or power

otherwise) and if we couldn't, we shouldn't and probably wouldn't be here in the

first place, I figure.

I think you somewhat over-rate chelation, Jan, (as good as it is, relative to so

much of the other BS, relative to the Individual? of such performance? that

questions [if] what you're doing is actually working?) that there aren't more

meaningful things than chelation, that should be the criteria by what we measure

everything by? I would be thinking by as much, that I need to take orders? of

such a world that I already find to be too much of the problem, otherwise?

Chelation is good, but I figure not that good (as Everything? so meaningful?)

Everything in moderation by as much (of Communication?) I say, of being as good

as I Feel I am, if not that good? .. .

If you're demanding obedience for your voluntary contributions here I won't be

part of that, so much? I don't, demand that from my treatment, (approach?) for

what I've accomplished so far... (Yes) if not otherwise of you or whatever, of

reason, that God isn't so reasonable, but I Feel It Is... of my doing the

analysis so far.. . God is *perfectly clear and understandable to me,* (what I

define God as? but what else, of Understanding?!.) that I don't understand what

your problem is? .. . But how could God not be so perfectly clear and

understandable [of God?] is not so much a question for me, alone, so alone? .. .

I'm glad I could help (if not you?) in that respect. I feel It does help, where

you wanted to Know? and where you don't? I don't figure you could help anyone

like me, Especially.. .

But I figure you do want to understand more, of your results? (and let's not be

so specific for as much? Please, or I figure *you'd* be on the wrong track) so

there we go

Best wishes, Thereof

Mike Glavic

You asked.

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> > > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days

on but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Have to agree, this communication is unintelligible. People have differing

writing styles but the logic and syntax is way off the norm, here.

Recommending chelation and dont skip the night doses whatever you do. The

meaning of the writing will improve. Mercury toxic people are the last to

recognize the toxicity.

> > >

> > > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days

on but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Either your quite toxic or your toying with the members of this list for

entertainment by submitting messages that seem like mere ramblings of a mad man.

Take the night doses....it might help

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> > > > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > > > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3

days on but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and

the last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very

difficult to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see

any light at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we

knew she would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is

for her to go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this

normal? We do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them

on the phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The yeast problem can be cleaned up with oregano drops. You can get it at a

health foods store. Just try not to eat sugar while you are using it. Follow

the directions on the bottle. Explore!

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From: mercurybabies2 <mercurybabies2@...>

Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 9:12:30 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Chelation Therapy....How much time passed before

saw results?

say what?

> >

> > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days

on

>but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

>last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very

difficult

>to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any

light

>at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

>would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her

to

>go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

>do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

>phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

>frustrated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Huh? I don't find that worthy of a better response

Glavic

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> > > > > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > > > > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3

days on but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and

the last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very

difficult to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see

any light at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we

knew she would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is

for her to go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this

normal? We do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them

on the phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I read about not taking the night doses and I thought the same thing. It's

simply that he types literally as he thinks, not taking into account the reader.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> > > > > She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3

days on but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and

the last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very

difficult to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see

any light at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we

knew she would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is

for her to go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this

normal? We do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them

on the phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Andie, I am having a hard time writing a response because our journey has

been so long. I can't even remember much about when we started. I will tell

you as much as I can.

First, let me describe my son when we started. Bright, beautiful boy - wouldn't

know he was disabled by looking at him. Receptive language great, but very

little expressive language at all (considered nonverbal). Very

aggressive/violent/destructive. (got worse after DMSA challenge from DAN!

doctor) Very impulsive. Couldn't sit still at all. Climbed all over, escaped,

jumped, kicked, etc...more than just 'being a boy'. Hurt self by headbanging,

threatening suicide. Hurt family and others. Screamed during meals - always

standing up, disrupting others in restaurants.

We started using ALA with NAC, it was going okay but there were a lot of side

effects and he seemed very uncomfortable. It wasn't much change from the usual

because he was always uncomfortable anyway. When we did around 12 rounds

(guessing here), I added DMSA to the ALA and he asked his first question. I was

excited, but at the same time, I had raised the ALA dose (which I know now was

what I did wrong) and he had some very awful peripheral neuropathy (shooting

sensations in his hands and feet) which made him kick constantly, all the time.

There were no other language gains like I had hoped.

Around 15 rounds, his discomfort was so awful that I had to cut back on

everything. He did okay, but was still kicking and everyone was questioning

what I was doing (my husband, his dad, etc.) because was not doing well.

It was awful for all of us. In January of 2009, he and I got really sick and we

had to quit chelation for about 2 months. During those months he was on only

Amla and Magnesium and he made some major noticeable gains. I had no idea that

his body just needed a really long break. After that, I backed down on the dose

and went really slowly with only ALA.

After taking another break (about 3 weeks) during the summer, we started back up

on ALA and it was not tolerated AT ALL. He had a small seizure-like episode

that scared me and so I quit chelating him for awhile. After studying aluminum,

I started him up on Vinpocetine, 5mg three times per day. There was a major

increase in expressive language, especially conversational attempts. His

teachers at school noticed and were amazed. I wanted to start chelating again

and was then told by my friends here to just use DMSA for awhile. I started him

on a small dose of DMSA and we did several more rounds. I brought back ALA in a

miniscule dose and after the second dose of it, he had a major meltdown on the

trampoline and I discontinued it again. We took another break (we like breaks!)

and worked on other stuff.

After a couple more rounds of DMSA alone in spring/summer 2009, he had a major

violent episode after eating cherries. His violence and aggression lasted

around three or four months and was devastating. We still don't know exactly

why it happened. After the the first episode, there were a few other major

episodes and we decided to see Andy's friend, , NP. She

concentrated on healing his gut. We had to make some changes to what she did

because it wasn't working, but with a lot of feedback from smart people, we got

through it.

We did about 4 rounds of oral DMPS (5mg every 6 hours for 7 days) and it was

well tolerated. Then recently I started him back on a small dose of ALA

transdermally to see if it was tolerated and he came over and stuck his finger

in the oil mixture and ate it and nothing happened. I started adding a tiny bit

to his DMSA capsule and he tolerated it again. I think it had to do with the

condition of his gut. He was irritable after this round, but that is the usual.

My son's results were always very slow and gradual. I believe chelation is

helping him. My older son is higher functioning and I have seen results quite

quickly with him. I saw tics disappear and his auditory processing improved

tremendously. I also chelate myself and notice cognitive gains. I can only

conclude that the more severe the child, the harder it is to see gains.

In the 2008-2009 time frame, my son was more integrated into a regular school

classroom; became less aggressive/violent; started to care about others'

feelings; played make believe for the first time; asked his first question;

answered his first question without repeating it; started saying spontaneous

phrases; stopped obsessing with water; became less impulsive; played

cooperatively with his brother; showed interest in playing with other children

for the first time; ....and more.

>

> Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days on

but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

>

[Guest guest]

What dose are you on and what chelator?

Are you giving all the supporting antioxidant supplements through the day?

>

> Ok our 7 yr. old is on her 3rd or 4th cycle of chelation.

> She is very scrambled. the first cycle she was scrambled during the 3 days on

but seemed to level out after. This time we have done 2 back to back and the

last with a few weeks in between. She is staying scrambled and is very difficult

to handle even for the simplest task. Right now it is very hard to see any light

at the end of the tunnel. We are home schooling her this yr. since we knew she

would not be able to go to mainstream school and chelate. Our hope is for her to

go back next year but right now I cannot see that happening. Is this normal? We

do not get much/any guidance from her MD. We cannot usually get them on the

phone to answer even the simplest question. I am just very worried and

frustrated.

>