Re: ALA alone??????

[Guest guest]

I'm just repeating what was said by Andy and my own experience. Can't tell you

anything about Aloe Vera, sorry.

If it has the same absorbing qualities as lotion, it will probably work.

- Take some and mix some ALA with it, then rub it on your own thigh. Keep

rubbing until it absorbs. If the ALA absorbs along with it, there you go.

Do not mix oral protocol and TD protocol. Do one or the other.

TJ

________________________________

From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 5:07:41 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

So pure aloe vera gel would not be high quality? It seems to me the

lubriderm would contain all kinds of chemicals. I need to know if aloe vera

is acceptable. My son has sleep issues and I can't wake him up in the

middle of the night. i just want to be able to rub it on every three

hours. And he has the problem with sulfa drugs.

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

I have amalgams, so I can't try that. i tried taking Juvenon a few times

(ALA mixed with Acetyl-L-Carnitine) and boy did I get a lot of brain fog!

someday I hoep I can get my amalgams out. then I will chelate as well, but

for now, all the money goes for my son.

Thanks again for the help. I will try this when the time comes.

[Guest guest]

GAPS is Gut and Psychology Syndrome (Natasha McBride), a similar

approach to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet and BEDS is the Body Ecology Diet.

>

> I also would like to know what the gaps and BEDS concepts are. thanks.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your responses. My next question is when you say round what does

that mean? If I want to start next weekend what time should I start that on

friday and when do I finish on Sunday, and how often. and is that then round 1.

And also is that the 3 days on and Monday - Thursday are the off days. My other

thought is if I want to do it TD what creams do you use and how much should I

start with if he is 50 lbs, keep in mind I want to start at the lowest dose

possible. Can I buy ALA at whole foods or the Vitamin shop? (I check the

ingredients for NDF and it does not have ALA at all.) Thanks in advance. Simone.

>

> I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

with good results) Thanks for all responses. Simone.

>

[Guest guest]

The " on " plus the " off " is what people are calling a round. So three days on and

four days off would be a round.

Many people start Friday after school and go until Monday before school. That's

what we do during the school year.

We do double rounds on holidays and in the summer, six on and eight off.

Dose range is 1/8-1/2mg per pound of body weight. 1/8 times 50lbs = 6.25mg,

which would be a 1/4 of a 25mg capsule.

You can get 25mg capsules from kirkman labs.

TJ

________________________________

From: zfs.zumbafunaticsimone <shuete@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 5:50:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

Thanks for all your responses. My next question is when you say round what does

that mean? If I want to start next weekend what time should I start that on

friday and when do I finish on Sunday, and how often. and is that then round 1.

And also is that the 3 days on and Monday - Thursday are the off days. My other

thought is if I want to do it TD what creams do you use and how much should I

start with if he is 50 lbs, keep in mind I want to start at the lowest dose

possible. Can I buy ALA at whole foods or the Vitamin shop? (I check the

ingredients for NDF and it does not have ALA at all.) Thanks in advance. Simone.

>

> I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

>any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

>with good results) Thanks for all responses. Simone.

>

[Guest guest]

It is real. I did 1 round of ALA 100mg per dose (3hour dosing), 1 month after

accidently breaking a mercury-containing light bulb (didn't know that at the

time), and 1 week after ending the round i got psychotic... I did recover

eventually, but I wasted 4 months being on antipsychotic meds.

Now im finally getting both my home and my parents home cleaned from mercury

(IQair healthpro 250 + V5cell Hg filter), so hopefully after measuring mercury

levels in those both locations I will be able to start ALA chelation in about

Jan'2011.

regards,

Christoph B

>

> Yes you can chelate with ALA alone.

> > Be aware that ALA alone is a bit harder on the adrenals if that is an issue

for you.

> Also, real or potential risk of using ALA right away, due to

> crossing the BBB. For example, if recent mercury exposure,

> it is good to delay use of ALA.

> Simone

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

TJ--Do you do the cream for chelation---pros and cons???

________________________________

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 3:29:36 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

 

We put it on the back or the belly, depending on the way he is sleeping. Legs

are fine as well.

Make sure you do it every three hours, day and night for at least three days.

TJ

________________________________

From: phashmall <PHashmall@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 1:53:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

All good ideas, but my son is 25! I'm looking for a small tube of ALA cream

that he could take with him in his pocket while he's out and about, or sitting

at the computer, to use every 3-4 hours. He doesn't like to be interrupted for

much, and having to get up to get water and capsules while in the middle of

something, I know isn't going to happen. I'm not always home to dose him. The

cream though would be great for the night time use. I could put a dolop on him

without waking him.

Any place special on the body?

a H.

> >

> > Andy said " High quality lotion "

> > We do this with our younger boy because he has a real problem with the oral

> > syringe.

> > We mix the ALA with lubriderm lotion and apply every three hours day and

> night.

> > He is making good progress.

> > TJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 9:08:55 AM

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

> >

> >

> > I am re-reading Andy's book. Somehow my first copy disappeared (along with

> > my sewing kit) when we had to move things to replace our flooring, so I just

> > ordered it again and now I'm reading.

> >

> > We are going to start a home program and this will be the perfect time to to

> > chelate using ALA alone. My son does have OCD, and I don't know if it is

> > PANDAS but he gets strep and staph infections often. I think in PANDAS you

> > see some really bad behaviors, but my son is very mellow and well behaved.

> > He did start to have a lot of anxiety in the school setting over a year ago,

> > and I had to start picking him up earlier and earlier or he would get very

> > upset and start to cry.

> >

> > I think Andy said we could do in trans-dermally by just mixing the contents

> > of an ALA capsule (right dosage of course) with some kind of lotion and

> > rubbing it on his skin. I was thinking about mixing it with pure Aloe Vera

> > gel? Any thoughts, advice or comments?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Haven,

My son had a diagnosed sleep disorder when we started. The first round wasn't so

good: I think I scared him silly sticking the oral syringe in his mouth in the

middle of the night and sparked a whopper of a sleep terror, but after that

first round, it wasn't a big deal. I learned to use the oral syringe day and

night - so he was used to it. I just dosed him now: I went him turned a small

light on, told him he needed to take his 'medicine', stuck it in his mouth, he

turned away, I stuck it in again and squirted, and he swallowed it and that's

it. He falls right back to sleep. No big deal. You really don't have to wake

your child up at night. I use ALA only and mix it so I only have to give 1 or 2

ml of juice to get his dose.

I use TD application for herbal tinctures on my child, and I've even mixed mag

citrate powder to apply TD on myself when I had a severe migraine and couldn't

keep food or water, let alone supps (or drugs) down. However I would be

uncomfortable doing TD application of ALA. Too easy to rub it off, sweat it off,

etc. I know some do it successfully, though. If you want to mix it in something

I would use coconut oil or jojoba oil. That's what I use to mix stuff in for TD

applications as listed above.

>

> So pure aloe vera gel would not be high quality? It seems to me the

> lubriderm would contain all kinds of chemicals. I need to know if aloe vera

> is acceptable. My son has sleep issues and I can't wake him up in the

> middle of the night. i just want to be able to rub it on every three

> hours. And he has the problem with sulfa drugs.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think coconut oil is a great TD idea!!!

[Guest guest]

Yes, we use homemade TD ALA on our youngest boy. He is making steady progress.

We would do oral if we could, but he won't tolerate an oral syringe.

TJ

________________________________

From: Luce <williamjlucejr@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 10:32:40 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

TJ--Do you do the cream for chelation---pros and cons???

________________________________

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 3:29:36 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

We put it on the back or the belly, depending on the way he is sleeping. Legs

are fine as well.

Make sure you do it every three hours, day and night for at least three days.

TJ

________________________________

From: phashmall <PHashmall@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 1:53:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

All good ideas, but my son is 25! I'm looking for a small tube of ALA cream

that he could take with him in his pocket while he's out and about, or sitting

at the computer, to use every 3-4 hours. He doesn't like to be interrupted for

much, and having to get up to get water and capsules while in the middle of

something, I know isn't going to happen. I'm not always home to dose him. The

cream though would be great for the night time use. I could put a dolop on him

without waking him.

Any place special on the body?

a H.

> >

> > Andy said " High quality lotion "

> > We do this with our younger boy because he has a real problem with the oral

> > syringe.

> > We mix the ALA with lubriderm lotion and apply every three hours day and

> night.

> > He is making good progress.

> > TJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 9:08:55 AM

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

> >

> >

> > I am re-reading Andy's book. Somehow my first copy disappeared (along with

> > my sewing kit) when we had to move things to replace our flooring, so I just

> > ordered it again and now I'm reading.

> >

> > We are going to start a home program and this will be the perfect time to to

> > chelate using ALA alone. My son does have OCD, and I don't know if it is

> > PANDAS but he gets strep and staph infections often. I think in PANDAS you

> > see some really bad behaviors, but my son is very mellow and well behaved.

> > He did start to have a lot of anxiety in the school setting over a year ago,

> > and I had to start picking him up earlier and earlier or he would get very

> > upset and start to cry.

> >

> > I think Andy said we could do in trans-dermally by just mixing the contents

> > of an ALA capsule (right dosage of course) with some kind of lotion and

> > rubbing it on his skin. I was thinking about mixing it with pure Aloe Vera

> > gel? Any thoughts, advice or comments?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How do you make it?

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:50 AM

 

Yes, we use homemade TD ALA on our youngest boy. He is making steady progress.

We would do oral if we could, but he won't tolerate an oral syringe.

TJ

________________________________

From: Luce <williamjlucejr@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 10:32:40 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

TJ--Do you do the cream for chelation---pros and cons???

________________________________

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 3:29:36 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

We put it on the back or the belly, depending on the way he is sleeping. Legs

are fine as well.

Make sure you do it every three hours, day and night for at least three days.

TJ

________________________________

From: phashmall <PHashmall@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 1:53:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

All good ideas, but my son is 25! I'm looking for a small tube of ALA cream

that he could take with him in his pocket while he's out and about, or sitting

at the computer, to use every 3-4 hours. He doesn't like to be interrupted for

much, and having to get up to get water and capsules while in the middle of

something, I know isn't going to happen. I'm not always home to dose him. The

cream though would be great for the night time use. I could put a dolop on him

without waking him.

Any place special on the body?

a H.

> >

> > Andy said " High quality lotion "

> > We do this with our younger boy because he has a real problem with the oral

> > syringe.

> > We mix the ALA with lubriderm lotion and apply every three hours day and

> night.

> > He is making good progress.

> > TJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 9:08:55 AM

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

> >

> >

> > I am re-reading Andy's book. Somehow my first copy disappeared (along with

> > my sewing kit) when we had to move things to replace our flooring, so I just

> > ordered it again and now I'm reading.

> >

> > We are going to start a home program and this will be the perfect time to to

> > chelate using ALA alone. My son does have OCD, and I don't know if it is

> > PANDAS but he gets strep and staph infections often. I think in PANDAS you

> > see some really bad behaviors, but my son is very mellow and well behaved.

> > He did start to have a lot of anxiety in the school setting over a year ago,

> > and I had to start picking him up earlier and earlier or he would get very

> > upset and start to cry.

> >

> > I think Andy said we could do in trans-dermally by just mixing the contents

> > of an ALA capsule (right dosage of course) with some kind of lotion and

> > rubbing it on his skin. I was thinking about mixing it with pure Aloe Vera

> > gel? Any thoughts, advice or comments?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You mix ALA with a high quality lotion. Dosage and frequency is the same.

Rub it in good.

TJ

________________________________

From: drissia wright <ritzywright@...>

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:54:13 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

How do you make it?

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:50 AM

Yes, we use homemade TD ALA on our youngest boy. He is making steady progress.

We would do oral if we could, but he won't tolerate an oral syringe.

TJ

________________________________

From: Luce <williamjlucejr@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 10:32:40 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

TJ--Do you do the cream for chelation---pros and cons???

________________________________

From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 3:29:36 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

We put it on the back or the belly, depending on the way he is sleeping. Legs

are fine as well.

Make sure you do it every three hours, day and night for at least three days.

TJ

________________________________

From: phashmall <PHashmall@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 1:53:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

All good ideas, but my son is 25! I'm looking for a small tube of ALA cream

that he could take with him in his pocket while he's out and about, or sitting

at the computer, to use every 3-4 hours. He doesn't like to be interrupted for

much, and having to get up to get water and capsules while in the middle of

something, I know isn't going to happen. I'm not always home to dose him. The

cream though would be great for the night time use. I could put a dolop on him

without waking him.

Any place special on the body?

a H.

> >

> > Andy said " High quality lotion "

> > We do this with our younger boy because he has a real problem with the oral

> > syringe.

> > We mix the ALA with lubriderm lotion and apply every three hours day and

> night.

> > He is making good progress.

> > TJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 9:08:55 AM

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

> >

> >

> > I am re-reading Andy's book. Somehow my first copy disappeared (along with

> > my sewing kit) when we had to move things to replace our flooring, so I just

> > ordered it again and now I'm reading.

> >

> > We are going to start a home program and this will be the perfect time to to

> > chelate using ALA alone. My son does have OCD, and I don't know if it is

> > PANDAS but he gets strep and staph infections often. I think in PANDAS you

> > see some really bad behaviors, but my son is very mellow and well behaved.

> > He did start to have a lot of anxiety in the school setting over a year ago,

> > and I had to start picking him up earlier and earlier or he would get very

> > upset and start to cry.

> >

> > I think Andy said we could do in trans-dermally by just mixing the contents

> > of an ALA capsule (right dosage of course) with some kind of lotion and

> > rubbing it on his skin. I was thinking about mixing it with pure Aloe Vera

> > gel? Any thoughts, advice or comments?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

with good results) Thanks for all responses.

I used ALA alone, approximately 100 rounds. Excellent results here, it was the

first step to my kids' recovery.

Dana

[Guest guest]

How did you do that? What steps did you take?

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:02 AM

 

> I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

with good results) Thanks for all responses.

I used ALA alone, approximately 100 rounds. Excellent results here, it was the

first step to my kids' recovery.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> How did you do that? What steps did you take?

Not sure what you are referencing. I had replied that I used ALA for chelation,

and it was the first step for my kids' recovery. If you want to read *most* of

my son's recovery story, it is here [needs updating tho].

http://www.danasview.net/myson.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

 

Thank you for all your responses. I am just a little desperate and have read and

read and nothing makes much sense as it all just seems to be running around in

my head.

 

Drissia

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 9:20 AM

 

> How did you do that? What steps did you take?

Not sure what you are referencing. I had replied that I used ALA for chelation,

and it was the first step for my kids' recovery. If you want to read *most* of

my son's recovery story, it is here [needs updating tho].

http://www.danasview.net/myson.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

I was referring to something I read about supporting the liver and the body with

certain vitamins(b, c, e, a). Did you do this first? Did you get the gut issues

under control; enzymes, yeast protocol, etc. By the way, when you did give A,

what form did you give? Fish oil, beta carotene(were problems, right). My sons

sensory issues just get out of bounds. Squinting, looking out the tops or sides

of his eyes or walking around with his eyes closed. Is that a vitamin a

deficiency or yeast?

 

But I think probably I need to sit down and read your website.

 

Thanks again

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 9:20 AM

 

> How did you do that? What steps did you take?

Not sure what you are referencing. I had replied that I used ALA for chelation,

and it was the first step for my kids' recovery. If you want to read *most* of

my son's recovery story, it is here [needs updating tho].

http://www.danasview.net/myson.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

TJ

I am not so clear on that. Do you mix each oral dose according to the weight

with small amount of cream and rub it on the skin? I mean is the transdermal

dose the same as the oral dose? How long you have been doing this and have you

seen changes?

Elham

>

> I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

with good results) Thanks for all responses. Simone.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. The dosing is 1/8-1/2mg per pound of body weight every three hours day and

night for at least three days, taking four days off.

This is the same as oral chelation.

We have been doing this for more that a year and he has gone from severe on the

spectrum to moderate and still making progress.

TJ

________________________________

From: Elham <elhamnabavi@...>

Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 6:51:20 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

TJ

I am not so clear on that. Do you mix each oral dose according to the weight

with small amount of cream and rub it on the skin? I mean is the transdermal

dose the same as the oral dose? How long you have been doing this and have you

seen changes?

Elham

>

> I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

>any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

>with good results) Thanks for all responses. Simone.

>

[Guest guest]

> I was referring to something I read about supporting the liver and the body

with certain vitamins(b, c, e, a). Did you do this first?

My son did not tolerate most supplements until after I started chelating. He

did tolerate HNI enzymes, which is pretty much the only supplement I gave him

before I started the ALA.

>>Did you get the gut issues under control; enzymes, yeast protocol, etc.

Enzymes yes. Not much else.

>>By the way, when you did give A, what form did you give? Fish oil, beta

carotene(were problems, right).

I did not give vitamin A until after I started chelating. I used TwinLabs

Allergy A, which has since been discontinued. My son did not tolerate fish oil

until I started mito cocktail and preloaded.

>>My sons sensory issues just get out of bounds. Squinting, looking out the tops

or sides of his eyes or walking around with his eyes closed. Is that a vitamin a

deficiency or yeast?

Most sensory issues at my house were related to yeast. However, visual issues

were related to yeast, viruses, and lack of several vitamins, especially B

vitamins.

> But I think probably I need to sit down and read your website.

That might give you some clues on what to start researching.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Based on my limited experience with my son, you should start with DMSA. Try a

low dosage approach (the AC) first to see how it works and how your kid reacts

after he is off DMSA. If he/she is very cranky, that, in general, means mobile

mercury in his/her is attacking his/her brain (or nerve system). You need to

consult the AC experts here to see if they have a solution.

When my son is on DMSA, my son might have one loose stool on day 1 or day 2. He

won't cry for that. No big deal to him. We gradually move onto the DAN

approach.

Also be careful with so-called mineral vitamin supplements. They are not tested

even if they are claimed to formulate for autistic children.

My son started to experience excruciating pain after taking it for 3-4 days. It

looks like the supplement mobiled mercury in his body.

I took a look at the ingredients and found that it did have sulfur-containing

components: biotin, thiamine, and methione(e.g., zinc monomethione).

> > How did you do that? What steps did you take?

>

> Not sure what you are referencing. I had replied that I used ALA for

chelation, and it was the first step for my kids' recovery. If you want to read

*most* of my son's recovery story, it is here [needs updating tho].

>

> http://www.danasview.net/myson.htm

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oops no idea sorry… will check with someone at biomed tomo eve

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Jene Spence

Sent: 04 September 2010 02:59 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

Hi,

What is the GAPS and BED concepts?

Regards

Jene'

From: fionasthoughts <fionasthoughts@... <mailto:fionasthoughts%40.ca>

>

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA alone??????

<mailto: %40>

Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:15 AM

Hello, Simone!

We did 10 rounds with DMSA, then DMSA with ALA until round 24, after which we

dropped to just ALA. We are at the highest level for my son's weight, according

to the AC protocol. We also do GAPS with BED concepts so there is a lot of

natural detox that goes along with these dietary interventions. It has been

going very well. My son does very well on round, and we chelate each weekend.

We are on round 32, currently.

Best wishes,

Fiona

>

> I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

with good results) Thanks for all responses. Simone.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello£¬Fiona:

I did first round with ALA+DMSA last weekend. My son felt a little anxiety

after chelation. Can you tell me which time your son was situable the chelation.

My son is 4 years old. He did 4 rounds with DMSA. My dosing of ALA+DMSA is very

low, about 5mg+5mg.

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone used ALA alone (not with DMSA) and what results if

any you were getting and at what dosage. (I am currently using NDF NDF+ and LL

with good results) Thanks for all responses. Simone.

> >

>