Re: Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the group

[Guest guest]

I am and so is my very descriptive, verbal - but mercury toxic 13 year old

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding

with this group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results

of such objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and

doing for as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything

else should or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there

would or could be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or

society otherwise? that wouldn't be part of the problem?

>

> Glavic

>

> Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

else? If there is, point me there?

>

> On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them so

much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success, but

I Feel there isn't? .. .

>

> The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

>

> Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate, (what

is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here, (of

such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

>

> That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

otherwise

>

[Guest guest]

Im not chelating myself yet, but will be in 2 months.

Karla

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding

with this group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results

of such objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and

doing for as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything

else should or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there

would or could be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or

society otherwise? that wouldn't be part of the problem?

>

> Glavic

>

> Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

else? If there is, point me there?

>

> On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them so

much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success, but

I Feel there isn't? .. .

>

> The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

>

> Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate, (what

is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here, (of

such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

>

> That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

otherwise

>

[Guest guest]

I am, too, along with my charming 9 yr old son.

I think I have about 60 rounds in me. For the first time since 1998, I read a

book cover to cover and remembered it! I had gotten to the point where the

words jumped all over the page and I was unable to read more than a short news

or magazine article.

I've also seemed able to completely tackle a 30 yr eating disorder (I'm 45). I

think I can thank zinc and amalgam removal. Had my 11 amalgams removed in 2004.

I also had chronic sinusitis that disappeared after the amalgams came out.

I use 25 mgs DMSA and 25 mgs ALA... every 3.5 hours. I try to be gluten free,

but that has not been 100%.

My moods are better despite not taking antidepressants for the past 6 years. I

had taken them, regularly, between 1988-2004. High dose EPA did wonders for me.

I still have some anxiety but it is very manageable.

Is this what you are asking? I guess I'll stop rambling in case it was not...

Pam

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding

with this group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results

of such objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and

doing for as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything

else should or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there

would or could be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or

society otherwise? that wouldn't be part of the problem?

> >

> > Glavic

> >

> > Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

else? If there is, point me there?

> >

> > On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them

so much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success,

but I Feel there isn't? .. .

> >

> > The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

> >

> > Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate, (what

is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here, (of

such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

> >

> > That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

otherwise

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, and I fall asleep now at night. It used to take me hours some nights.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding

with this group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results

of such objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and

doing for as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything

else should or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there

would or could be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or

society otherwise? that wouldn't be part of the problem?

> > >

> > > Glavic

> > >

> > > Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group

with respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

else? If there is, point me there?

> > >

> > > On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about

them so much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and

success, but I Feel there isn't? .. .

> > >

> > > The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

> > >

> > > Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate, (what

is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here, (of

such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

> > >

> > > That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so

much otherwise

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm chelating myself. I follow the group sometimes. I am getting ready to go

away right now so won't be checking in much for a while.

So far I have mostly used DMPS, every 6h, Andy's protocol. The reason I have

not done very many ALA rounds is because of difficulty waking at night

(fatigue). In the time that I have been using DMPS I did clear significant body

burden because

- my hair test went from meeting 3 counting rules to more normal, no counting

rules

- I went from tolerating only 18 mg DMPS with significant side effects to

tolerating more than 50 mg DMPS with no side effects

- I went from just barely tolerating 5 mg ALA to tolerating 12.5 mg ALA with not

much problem, except the difficult waking at night

- I lost my MS diagnosis. This is official from the neurologist who gave the

diagnosis to me.

I can wake at night now so will continue to chelate with ALA on Andy's protocol.

Thanks Andy and other internet angels who led me to his protocol, taught me and

continue to teach others.

J

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding

with this group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results

of such objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and

doing for as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything

else should or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there

would or could be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or

society otherwise? that wouldn't be part of the problem?

>

> Glavic

>

> Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

else? If there is, point me there?

>

> On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them so

much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success, but

I Feel there isn't? .. .

>

> The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

>

> Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate, (what

is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here, (of

such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

>

> That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

otherwise

>

[Guest guest]

Be careful with the chelation process as this has become popularized more by

product advertising than actual need for medical care, and the process can do

permanent damage to the liver and kidneys in the merc burn.

________________________________

From: lindajaytee <lindajaytee@...>

Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 1:26:13 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding

with the group

I'm chelating myself. I follow the group sometimes. I am getting ready to go

away right now so won't be checking in much for a while.

So far I have mostly used DMPS, every 6h, Andy's protocol. The reason I have

not done very many ALA rounds is because of difficulty waking at night

(fatigue). In the time that I have been using DMPS I did clear significant body

burden because

- my hair test went from meeting 3 counting rules to more normal, no counting

rules

- I went from tolerating only 18 mg DMPS with significant side effects to

tolerating more than 50 mg DMPS with no side effects

- I went from just barely tolerating 5 mg ALA to tolerating 12.5 mg ALA with not

much problem, except the difficult waking at night

- I lost my MS diagnosis. This is official from the neurologist who gave the

diagnosis to me.

I can wake at night now so will continue to chelate with ALA on Andy's protocol.

Thanks Andy and other internet angels who led me to his protocol, taught me and

continue to teach others.

J

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering

>who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding with

this

>group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results of such

>objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and doing for

>as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything else should

>or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there would or could

>be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or society

otherwise?

>that wouldn't be part of the problem?

>

> Glavic

>

> Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

>respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

>else? If there is, point me there?

>

> On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them so

>much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success, but

>I Feel there isn't? .. .

>

> The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

>

> Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

>extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

>where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate,

(what

>is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here, (of

>such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

>doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

>

> That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

>otherwise

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure what you mean by medical care. Most doctors I have met don't want to

treat the child with autism and they blame every condition the child has on

autism. Also, I have not seen any product advertising.

Regardless, I know I am being careful, and the proof is in the pudding.

Deb

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering

> >who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding with

this

> >group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results of such

> >objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and doing

for

> >as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything else

should

> >or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there would or

could

> >be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or society

otherwise?

> >that wouldn't be part of the problem?

> >

> > Glavic

> >

> > Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

> >respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

> >else? If there is, point me there?

> >

> > On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them

so

> >much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success,

but

> >I Feel there isn't? .. .

> >

> > The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

> >

> > Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

> >extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

> >where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate,

(what

> >is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here,

(of

> >such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

> >doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

> >

> > That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

> >otherwise

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What's really dangerous and damaging to all the body organs is to leave Mercury

in the body.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering

> >who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding with

this

> >group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results of such

> >objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and doing

for

> >as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything else

should

> >or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there would or

could

> >be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or society

otherwise?

> >that wouldn't be part of the problem?

> >

> > Glavic

> >

> > Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

> >respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

> >else? If there is, point me there?

> >

> > On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them

so

> >much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success,

but

> >I Feel there isn't? .. .

> >

> > The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

> >

> > Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

> >extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

> >where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate,

(what

> >is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here,

(of

> >such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

> >doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

> >

> > That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

> >otherwise

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why don't you stick to topics you know something about.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering

> >who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding with

this

> >group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results of such

> >objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and doing

for

> >as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything else

should

> >or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there would or

could

> >be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or society

otherwise?

> >that wouldn't be part of the problem?

> >

> > Glavic

> >

> > Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

> >respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

> >else? If there is, point me there?

> >

> > On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them

so

> >much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success,

but

> >I Feel there isn't? .. .

> >

> > The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

> >

> > Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

> >extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

> >where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate,

(what

> >is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here,

(of

> >such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

> >doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

> >

> > That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

> >otherwise

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm chelating myself, AC protocol. I have no children on or off the spectrum

but do work with individuals w/ASD. My PCP knows I chelate, I give her copies

of my hair tests each year when I see her.

S S

[Guest guest]

This group is criticized for being so rigid in what they advocate/tolerate...

but the reason why is partly what you describe. There are products and

organizations out there that don't understand toxicity and the process of

chelation (or don't care; just out to make a buck). It can be dangerous and

unnecessarily costly.

But, the need for medical care is very individual. I do not need it, really. I

have done all of this on my own with the help of Andy, some books, and groups

like this one. And a good dentist who removed my amalgams. Critical.

Toxicity is all the rage. Even watching how gluten-free has exploded on the

market is amazing. Products that have always been GF putting it on their box to

gain an edge.

Pam

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering

> >who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding with

this

> >group that we might better evaluate (see for ourselves?) the results of such

> >objectivity? (That anything could be more reasonable to be asking and doing

for

> >as much, of understanding more for our selves? .. . (That anything else

should

> >or would matter so much of the *justness* of as much, that there would or

could

> >be any other, or that we should need or be part of a group or society

otherwise?

> >that wouldn't be part of the problem?

> >

> > Glavic

> >

> > Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

> >respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

> >else? If there is, point me there?

> >

> > On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them

so

> >much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success,

but

> >I Feel there isn't? .. .

> >

> > The question still stands for my primary interest in this group

> >

> > Don't be abusive otherwise. I do ignore (somewhat extinguish? of how I

> >extinguish/prosecute/punish those not so reasonable, with me? for me?) others

> >where I feel they are not actually communicating or trying to communicate,

(what

> >is so symbolic? of value?) that I don't recommend that for all of us here,

(of

> >such facts if not what is so primary, if not of the evidence of what we are

> >doing or trying to do? more meaningfully? as justly?) but I really do

> >

> > That such a group survives and grows would be great with me, and not so much

> >otherwise

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm aware many here are chelating or trying to chelate another. I was

wondering who here is chelating themselves (as best they can?) and corresponding

with this group

I chelated four kids plus myself.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I so want to chelate and wish I could do so at the same time as my son.

Right now my focus is on him. I was supposed to see a dentist on Friday to

discuss the removal of my amalgams, but Ethan got sick and we were in the

ER.

I really started to notice something wrong in my self after Ethan was born.

I have lots of brain fog at times, auditory processing disorder (I never

knew what is was called until after Ethan was diagnosed, but I've had that

for a long time).

I have no doubt it is mercury. I have a vivid memory of a thermometer

breaking when we were kids and our mother letting us PLAY with the mercury!

My brother then had a lot of problems in school and still has reading and

learning difficulties but he has always been a hard worker and built his own

trucking business. I am so proud of him! Our mother's way to deal with our

difficulties was to blame us for them, as if we could will ourselves to be

different. But in her defense, no one knew anything about this stuff back

then. I find it hard to believe though that she didn't know not to let us

play with the contents of a broken thermometer!

Does anyone have any experience with Dr. Berland at the Dental Arts Center

in Dallas? He is a member of the mercury free dentists association. That

is who I am going to see.

Does anyone know how I can order DD hair test kits without a doctor. I'm so

sick of doctors who want to push you towards their protocol and just focus

on one issue here or there and not look at the big picture which is mercury

poisoning.

My son's test was from Great Smokies back in 2002, and I would like to get

him one from DD and one for me too. Our regualr dentis here (who I won't

use anymore) alwasy actrs like I'm crazy for thinking amalgams are bad. He

knew how adamant I was about it, but when my husband went to him, he didn't

even giv ehim a choice, and when I got the bill, I found he had put in

excess of ten amalgams in my husbands's mouth! Now my husband'shealth has

gone down hill. He has to have a biopsy on Wednesday!

I don't know if I will be able to talk him into getting his amalgams out.

He hates going to the dentist. I feel terrible I talked him into going the

last time and then the %$@! dentist put amalgams in! We will only use

mercury free dentists again. Dr. Berland is a mercury free dentist and does

regular dentistry as well as amalgam removal and cosmetic.

Does anyone here know of him?

[Guest guest]

I have started on this path of chelating myself. Last week, the last of my

amalgams have been taken out, the next day I had my annual physical and asked

for a mercury level test--refused the new Tetanus bundle recommended by my doc

until I know more about it to make a more informed decision to have it. Today,

I'm purchasing Andy Cutler's protocol, reading books and websites, and keeping

my immune system boosted while practicing very good hygiene.

The group is new to me, and I'll do my best to track my progress as well as post

notes on the messageboard when I notice something significant. I will be

keeping a journal and tracking what I consume, as well as note my living

environment and the possible toxins I'm surrounded by. Checking into this, but

I think my counter top probably off-gases something. I do know that our water

is treated with chloramine, etc.

Sheila

>

> Who here is chelating themselves and corresponding with the/this group with

respect to science? (that there be any science if not such science anywhere

else? If there is, point me there?

>

> On The facts, that there should be any another, or we may not be about them so

much? that anything else should be the criteria of performance and success, but

I Feel there isn't? .. .

[Guest guest]

If you haven't already and if you have the funds to, check with your dentist's

office if the dentist will give you a discount for paying in full for your

dental work, after the your dental insurance pays them. My dentist gave me 8%

off my bill (the rest of my amalgams taken out) and our son's pediodontist is

giving us 10% off his recent dental bill.

Sheila

>

> I so want to chelate and wish I could do so at the same time as my son.

> Right now my focus is on him. I was supposed to see a dentist on Friday to

> discuss the removal of my amalgams, but Ethan got sick and we were in the

> ER.

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

Thanks. i will do that. He accepts " Care Credit, " which is a card where

you can pay it in full, and they give you a year to pay it off without

interest, so that will help. I don't think I have too many left in my mouth

-- about four, I think, but my husband! If I get him talked into it.....I

think the dentist put fifteen in his mouth!!!

I was just sick when I saw it on the bill, and I am so angry, but what can

we do? It wouldn't do any good to report him to the ADA as my husband just

thought he knew not to put them in his mouth and just trusted him.

Can anyone here give me an idea of what it cost to have them out, especially

if they are under crowns?

Thanks,

Haven

[Guest guest]

It costs $200-300/each here in Washington state.

>

> Sheila,

>

> Thanks. i will do that. He accepts " Care Credit, " which is a card where

> you can pay it in full, and they give you a year to pay it off without

> interest, so that will help. I don't think I have too many left in my mouth

> -- about four, I think, but my husband! If I get him talked into it.....I

> think the dentist put fifteen in his mouth!!!

>

> I was just sick when I saw it on the bill, and I am so angry, but what can

> we do? It wouldn't do any good to report him to the ADA as my husband just

> thought he knew not to put them in his mouth and just trusted him.

>

> Can anyone here give me an idea of what it cost to have them out, especially

> if they are under crowns?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Haven

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am chelating myself and three kids. Chelation has been a godsend for us.

Re: hair tests I think you can order thru www.directlabs.com - search for the

" Hair Elements " test. Do not get Hair Toxic Elements, though it might seem

appropriate.

Jo

Chelating myself (R#37, 25mg ALA/10mg DMPS) and

11 yo son, R#29, 15mg ALA/5mg DMSA

7 yo son, R#27, 16mg ALA or 10mg DMPS

3 yo son, R#19, 8mg ALA

>

> Does anyone know how I can order DD hair test kits without a doctor. I'm so

> sick of doctors who want to push you towards their protocol and just focus

> on one issue here or there and not look at the big picture which is mercury

> poisoning.

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