Re: Unusual Gait. Cannot run or walk properly. Autistic. Nothing is helping

[Guest guest]

Everyone is different. (And should be treated accordingly, if that ain't

Justness, I don't know what is) You should look into ABA (applied behavior

analysis) in that respect. (Or continually try damn hard to communicate with

your child, including with play and what is interesting for your child, for what

you both need trying everything you can in that respect of understanding more

for your selves, by as much? .. .

ABA is to education what bio-med is to health, and you can't do one so much

without doing the other.. . (They work together where they work at all? of both

being based on the scientific-method/the evidence, of progress, where they are

as much as they claim to be, and successful, of building success upon success

(As if I don't know what that is by as much?) Be wary of imposters, of the story

of man? .. . (First clue: the liars you should be most concerned with, to avoid?

are really censors, of all you need, Thereof. Test for as much on who should be

associating with for all that you would need beyond paying too much for It.. .

Bring as much into such equation of communicating for the answers as far and

wide as you can. Prayers is always a good start with that, that you should ever

be not praying when you're actually communicating, would actually depend on what

you believe in in that respect, that it really isn't as simple as that.. .

On simplifying things for a greater understanding of more as if that doesn't

help what deserve to be helped, (of what primarily helps? of putting everything

in its proper place?) for as much, but I Feel It Is

So I speak differently. At least that provides the answer?!. That anything else

should matter

Glavic

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> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>

[Guest guest]

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We have been doing ABA since March 2010 for 20 hrs a week. My son with almost a

year of ABA therapy has 0 receptive language and 0 expressive language. Heck i

would be glad if he made a sound. He makes no sound. All babblling was gone by

15 months. NO SOUND AT ALL right now. For the last one year he has been getting

20hrs of ABA+ 2hrs of speech+ 2 hrs of Occupational every week. We work with him

all day long as well continuously directing him. Nothing nada. We have been

doing everything for him that is known for the last one year. No improvement.

Now i am more concerned about his comorbidities: Excessive Drooling,Unusual

gait, Cannot Run,Cannot Jump.

My son doesnot have any behavior problem. Never had it. Anyone please help me.

Is there a chance of Mild Celebral palsy? How is that detected diagnosed?

> >

> > My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> > He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> > Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don't rule out seeing medical specialists in that respect. Have you seen a

pediatrican about it? (lately?) and if so, where are they directing you? If they

can't give you better insight on a medical condition (and this seems serious in

that regard) I would seriously wonder who can? Try another? and another? Maybe

by going to the Mayo clinic or wherever, the Cleveland Clinic? They both have

portals for plugging in info on the Internet, to where you should go with as

much, as do other health related sites on the Internet where you would want to

better understand what there is out there and what you might be getting yourself

into in that respect.

I would still continue to do the other things you're doing (of trying what

works) and get another ABA service provider as a helpful one would have told you

as much, (I figure) that they can't read behavior (of knowing what is normal and

what progress they should be getting, my God, for just being normal!?.) to do

with doing the analysis and only going with what works, and being honest about

as much

I did mention imposters. I find them everywhere especially with regarding to

politics and making money, more to do with personal gain, if you know what I

mean (including those saving their reputations and not willing to admit where

they are wrong, as to not getting anywhere and maybe being compromised in that

respect (beware?

I more than hope something works in that respect, and I Feel you're trying.. .

and doing the right thing in that respect.

Glavic

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> > > My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He

does not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he

was 16 month old.

> > > He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait

and keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical

therapist confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> > > Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about

a year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book

for the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum

who is in my situation?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Where do you live? The first step would be to see a pediatric neurologist -

a good one - to have a CT scan and/or MRI to rule out structural issues in

the brain.

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[ ] Re: Unusual Gait. Cannot run or walk properly.

Autistic. Nothing is helping

,

We have been doing ABA since March 2010 for 20 hrs a week. My son with

almost a year of ABA therapy has 0 receptive language and 0 expressive

language. Heck i would be glad if he made a sound. He makes no sound. All

babblling was gone by 15 months. NO SOUND AT ALL right now. For the last one

year he has been getting 20hrs of ABA+ 2hrs of speech+ 2 hrs of Occupational

every week. We work with him all day long as well continuously directing

him. Nothing nada. We have been doing everything for him that is known for

the last one year. No improvement.

Now i am more concerned about his comorbidities: Excessive Drooling,Unusual

gait, Cannot Run,Cannot Jump.

My son doesnot have any behavior problem. Never had it. Anyone please help

me. Is there a chance of Mild Celebral palsy? How is that detected

diagnosed?

>

> Everyone is different. (And should be treated accordingly, if that ain't

Justness, I don't know what is) You should look into ABA (applied behavior

analysis) in that respect. (Or continually try damn hard to communicate with

your child, including with play and what is interesting for your child, for

what you both need trying everything you can in that respect of

understanding more for your selves, by as much? .. .

>

> ABA is to education what bio-med is to health, and you can't do one so

much without doing the other.. . (They work together

[Guest guest]

Proprioceptive problems..is he seeing a sensory integration therapist, OT or

primitive reflex therapist? Those may be able to help. Also of course, be sure

there is not a medical problem. It does sound like he has ataxia. Which is

rather common in some of our kids. The drunk sailor walking is characteristic

for someone with ataxia. So he would need therapy that addresses that.

If you have previously done improper chelation, it can take longer to see

improvements with proper chelation. And don't do homeopathy that is aimed at

removing heavy metals. It can make him worse.

I'm betting ataxia

J

>

> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>

[Guest guest]

did  u try antifungal med ... seet the ethan recovery on youtube.

3yrs old ASD ... will start cheltion soon

From: mercurybabies2 <mercurybabies2@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Unusual Gait. Cannot run or walk properly.

Autistic. Nothing is helping

Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 1:02 AM

 

Proprioceptive problems..is he seeing a sensory integration therapist, OT or

primitive reflex therapist? Those may be able to help. Also of course, be sure

there is not a medical problem. It does sound like he has ataxia. Which is

rather common in some of our kids. The drunk sailor walking is characteristic

for someone with ataxia. So he would need therapy that addresses that.

If you have previously done improper chelation, it can take longer to see

improvements with proper chelation. And don't do homeopathy that is aimed at

removing heavy metals. It can make him worse.

I'm betting ataxia

J

>

> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>

[Guest guest]

Not glad to say, but if you did Dan! Protocol for any length of time you may

have to do AC for quite awhile to see a difference. I've heard Andy say to

evaluate every 10 rounds and it's likely to be a slow go.

Dan! Protocol creates redistribution, AC protocol prevents it.

>

> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>

[Guest guest]

Give a lot of magnesium, preferably magnesium chloride and epsom salt baths. I

suggest getting an ALCAT food sensitivity test and using the recommended

rotation diet. This will take the inflammation down and allow his gut to heal

better. After that, treat for yeast because it will be more treatable when he

is on a tolerable diet. After his gut heals, he will probably tolerate more

foods. Have you gotten a hair test? Sorry I haven't looked at the other

replies.

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> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>

[Guest guest]

HI

Has he had a metabolic work up -low muscle tone -poor co-ordination etc can all

be rooted from mitochondrial dysfunction.the drooling sounds like low tone of

the face /oral cavity which may also be the reason for his lack of sounds.Does

he chew his food?

I would get his amino acids /carnitine /lactate and liver function checked as a

basic work up and see from there -if this is the problem then mito supps may be

of great benifit......carnitine coq10 riboflavin antioxidants etc

there is a great article on mitochondrial problems in ASD in the autism File mag

this month

HTH

> >

> > Everyone is different. (And should be treated accordingly, if that ain't

> Justness, I don't know what is) You should look into ABA (applied behavior

> analysis) in that respect. (Or continually try damn hard to communicate with

> your child, including with play and what is interesting for your child, for

> what you both need trying everything you can in that respect of

> understanding more for your selves, by as much? .. .

> >

> > ABA is to education what bio-med is to health, and you can't do one so

> much without doing the other.. . (They work together

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And ours was like this before chelation; minimal balance, frequently ran into

walls. The ped said it was " normal " that many toddlers think the wall will move,

geesh. At 3 she could not dress or undress herself, did not alternate feet going

up or down steps.

All solved with chelation, just chelation as we have never done any formal

therapy.

R

>

> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>

[Guest guest]

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things.

" Drunken sailor " is a common description of a yeast overgrowth problem.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

My son needed digestive enzymes, a different diet entirely, chelation, yeast

control, and anti-virals before I saw much.

Dana

[Guest guest]

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No we havent done a metabolic work up for him. I have suspected mitochondrial

dysfunction for a while. You are right he doesnt chew his food, just swallows

them. We have been giving him some form of mito cocktail with carnitine,CoQ10.

How can i get the metabolic work up for him?

> > >

> > > Everyone is different. (And should be treated accordingly, if that ain't

> > Justness, I don't know what is) You should look into ABA (applied behavior

> > analysis) in that respect. (Or continually try damn hard to communicate with

> > your child, including with play and what is interesting for your child, for

> > what you both need trying everything you can in that respect of

> > understanding more for your selves, by as much? .. .

> > >

> > > ABA is to education what bio-med is to health, and you can't do one so

> > much without doing the other.. . (They work together

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dana, at which round of chelation did you start anti viral protocols?

Rafidah.

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[ ] Re: Unusual Gait. Cannot run or walk properly.

Autistic. Nothing is helping

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things.

" Drunken sailor " is a common description of a yeast overgrowth problem.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

My son needed digestive enzymes, a different diet entirely, chelation, yeast

control, and anti-virals before I saw much.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Rochelle

It is blood tests .I am not in the US but your general pediatrician should be

able to run them but a metabolic specialist would be better.My son regressed and

his muscle tone detioriated so bad he couldnt get up from the floor -with that

he lost all sounds.he went from a strong muscly wee guy who was walking

indepenantly at 11 months to that at 20 mths.I eventually got a dr to do some

blood tests .his alanine /lysine ratio was 12:1 ,really high alaninie .elevated

lactate his ALk Phosphate (liver test) was nearly 5000 (norm here is 200-300

..everything was badly deranged really and he then developed seizures.

My son is not recovered but he is progressing well . I do think chelation is

necessary but he may need mito support along with if there is mito damage

it would be worth speaking with your DAN about the mito stuff- if you are doing

OTC supps they may not be strong enough.alot of kids need the stronger

prescription ones

Also there are other issues when my son is yeasty -he sinks back into that

isolated world that is autism and looses his words.

If the gut is in bad shape -the toxins produced by the bad guys will do no

favours either.

I am no expert -just a mother desperately muddling my way through.ive always

worked my research round his current set of symptoms .

I think mitochondrial damage is very much part of the picture for most of our

kids with autism but there is alot we can do to help it and like the other girls

have said if you gets the metals out things gradually can come back to normal.I

hope you are lucky to have a good ped.

I believe in therapies when the child is well enough to gain from it but no

amount of speech therapy is going to work if his muscle tone is as bad as my

son's.i paid out huge money aswell and saw no benifits at the time

HTH

claire

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> > > > Everyone is different. (And should be treated accordingly, if that ain't

> > > Justness, I don't know what is) You should look into ABA (applied behavior

> > > analysis) in that respect. (Or continually try damn hard to communicate

with

> > > your child, including with play and what is interesting for your child,

for

> > > what you both need trying everything you can in that respect of

> > > understanding more for your selves, by as much? .. .

> > > >

> > > > ABA is to education what bio-med is to health, and you can't do one so

> > > much without doing the other.. . (They work together

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> Dana, at which round of chelation did you start anti viral protocols?

I waited until chelation was completed, approx 100 rounds, but in retrospect I

should have started at about round 50.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I, an adult, treating myself have gotten over my difficulty walking ...

I have had to avoid food sensitivities.. I have had to boost my adrenal

glands, increase sulfate levels using epsom salts baths.

I cannot tolerate the adrenal supports , ACE nor cortisol so I use the

homeopathics , an adrenal support combo , plus a homeopathic of the hormone

that regulates cortisol called ACTH.

As well using some homeopathics have helped. I found this homeopathic

called merc tailbone by Kroeger homeopathics very good. It helped me to

feel once more connected to my legs.. and to alot less fatigue , Now I can

stand for long periods of time whereas before I hated being on my feet.

http://www.alternative-healthresources.com/catalog/details.asp?prodid=HK

0022 & cat=71 & path=54,71

Another one that helped is a nosode homeopathic of the part of the brain

which regulates the pathways between the two sides of the brain called

Corpus calleux.. sorry that is in french and I cannot remember the english

name..

nanci

>

> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>

[Guest guest]

My son was a big drooler, too. Zinc and going completely dairy free (I mean

religiously b/c even a little casein would cause major drooling for him) helped

us with the drooling dramatically.

Actyl -Carnitine (sp) helped with our motor, we also did hippotherapy (horse

back riding) and that helped a lot with balance issues.

MB12 shots really helped with language. Doing it every other day, as opposed to

every 3 days made a big difference too.

Antivirals helped him get healthy and he went from a very sick boy to one who

could fight off illnesses very quickly.

Hang in there! Every kid is different and its a matter of finding what works

for your child through testing and just keep trying new things.

Good luck and stay strong!

Shiri

>

> My son who is 2.5 year old was diagnosed autistic in Feburary 2010. He does

not make any sound and is totally non-verbal. He used to babble up until he was

16 month old.

> He cannot walk like a normal 2.5 year old. He has a drunken sailor gait and

keeps tripping or bumping into people or things. Recently a physical therapist

confirmed our suspicions and said that he has problems with his lower

extrimities. Does anyone else have a similar situation.He also still drools a

lot.

> Also, we have been doing GFCFSF, DAN protocol, homeopathy for almost about a

year now. No results whatsoever. We have been doing AC chelation by the book for

the last 3 months. No results there as well. Is there anyone in this forum who

is in my situation?

>