Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Please no propophol....let me get home to send u some info on the no nos doe ASD kids Isa Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): General Anaesthetic choice between: Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) IV: propofol Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home Comments please regarding safety. (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Please can ou send it to me asap as we are having scan tomorrow and my little 5 year old girl needs me to make the right decision on this > > From: isaguzmandiaz2@... > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:04:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow > > Please no propophol....let me get home to send u some info on the no nos doe ASD kids > > Isa > > > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel > > > > [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow > > > > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): > > > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > > IV: propofol > > > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > > > Comments please regarding safety. > > > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 hi peter we had an mri scan it did not help us much 3 years ago, except to say all his brain was functioning properly but no follow on what to do next ! That 's the NDS service for you!!! Isobel > > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > IV: propofol > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > Comments please regarding safety. > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Hi Isobel If the MRI scan shows nothing, then you dont have to worry about things like inflammation, de-myelination, lesions which would be picked up So thats a great result in my opinion Thanks From: isobelwiza@... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:37:19 +0000 Subject: [ ] Re: Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow hi peter we had an mri scan it did not help us much 3 years ago, except to say all his brain was functioning properly but no follow on what to do next ! That 's the NDS service for you!!! Isobel > > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > IV: propofol > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > Comments please regarding safety. > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Nitrous oxide is a big no no with our asd kids. Can you ask for an alternative? NO will increase oxidative stress and do damage. They must have an alternative that they can offer to families with kids on the spectrum. nancy j a child is diagnosed with asd every 20 seconds From: peter <peter_2_@...> Subject: [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 3:50 AM  We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): General Anaesthetic choice between: Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) IV: propofol Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home Comments please regarding safety. (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 sorry , l wasn`t right, it is Nitrous Oxide which causes irreversible oxidation damage in the brains of ASD kids. here is the info: lsa Re: regression after nitrous oxide The next PDF came from www.nomercury.org IMMEDIATE COMMUNICATION Activation of methionine synthase by insulin-like growth factor-1 and dopamine: a target for neurodevelopmental toxins and thimerosal M Waly1, H Olteanu2, R Banerjee2, S-W Choi3, JB Mason3, BS 4, S Sukumar4, S Shim1, A Sharma1, JM Benzecry1, V-A Power-Charnitsky1 and RC Deth1 1Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Northeastern University, Boston, MA 02115, USA;2Biochemistry Department, University of Nebraska, Lincoln, NE 68588, USA; 3Vitamin Metabolism Laboratory, USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts University, Boston, MA 02111, USA; 4Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center at s Hopkins, Baltimore, MD 21231, USA the following PDF came from http://content.nejm.org/ Volume 349:45-50 July 3, 2003 Number 1Next Adverse Effect of Nitrous Oxide in a Child with 5,10-Methylenetetrahydrofolate Reductase Deficiency R. Selzer, Ph.D., S. Rosenblatt, M.D., Renata Laxova, M.D., and Kirk Hogan, M.D., J.D. Find Similar Articles PubMed CitationNitrous oxide irreversibly oxidizes the cobalt atom of vitamin B12, thereby inhibiting the activity of the cobalamin-dependent enzyme methionine synthase (or 5-methyltetrahydrofolate–homocysteine S-methyltransferase; Enzyme Commission code EC 2.1.1.13). Methionine synthase catalyzes the remethylation of 5-methyltetrahydrofolate and homocysteine to tetrahydrofolate and methionine (Figure 1). Methionine, by way of its activated form, S-adenosylmethionine, is the principal substrate for methylation in many biochemical reactions, including assembly of the myelin sheath, methyl substitutions in neurotransmitters, and DNA synthesis in rapidly proliferating tissues.1 View larger version (13K): [in this window] [in a new window] Figure 1. The Folate and Homocysteine Metabolic Cycles and the Enzymatic Site of Nitrous Oxide Toxicity. Co denotes cobalt. We report the neurologic deterioration and death of a child anesthetized twice with nitrous oxide before the diagnosis of 5,10-methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR; EC 1.5.1.20) deficiency (Online Mendelian Inheritance in Man number 236250) was established.2 MTHFR catalyzes the synthesis of 5-methyltetrahydrofolate. Sequence analysis of RNA transcripts and genomic DNA from the patient and his family members, together with direct assays of MTHFR activity in fibroblasts, revealed that the enzyme deficiency was caused by a novel MTHFR mutation (1755GA), which changes the conserved methionine at position 581 of the enzyme to isoleucine; this mutation is coinherited with two other, common MTHFR polymorphisms (677CT and 1298AC), each of which is associated with depressed enzyme function.3,4 We propose that a nitrous oxide–induced defect of methionine synthase superimposed on an inherited defect of MTHFR caused the patient's death. Case Report Details of the patient's clinical course and biochemical and pathological findings were reported by Beckman et al. in 1987.2 In brief, the child appeared normal until three months of age, when a mass in the left leg was noted. It was not known before the patient's surgery that his father and one of his uncles had serum levels of total homocysteine above 20.0 µmol per liter and above 30.0 µmol per liter, respectively (normal range, 5.4 to 13.9). The proband's sibling, who was receiving lifelong therapy with high-dose vitamin B supplements, had a homocysteine level of 4.3 µmol per liter. Neither the father nor the sibling had received nitrous oxide. On preoperative assessment for excisional biopsy of the mass, the patient's physical status was deemed class I according to the American Society of Anesthesiologists criteria (class I denotes good health and class V critical illness). After premedication with atropine and induction of anesthesia with sodium thiopental and succinylcholine, the child's trachea was intubated; anesthesia was maintained with 0.75 percent halothane and 60 percent nitrous oxide in oxygen for 45 minutes. The surgical biopsy revealed an infantile fibrosarcoma, and resection of the mass was performed on the fourth day after the biopsy. After induction of anesthesia with halothane, the child was anesthetized for 270 minutes with 0.75 percent halothane and 60 percent nitrous oxide. At the conclusion of the operation, his trachea was extubated, and he was transferred while awake to the intensive care unit. He was discharged on the seventh postoperative day in apparently good health. Seventeen days later (25 days after the resection), the patient was admitted because of seizures and episodes of apnea. On examination, the infant was severely hypotonic, without reflexes and with ataxic ventilation. Cranial computed tomography showed generalized atrophy of the brain, with enlarged prepontine and medullary cisterns. The urine was positive for homocystine (1.30 µmol per milligram of creatinine [normal value, 0]) but negative for organic acids and methylmalonic acid. The plasma homocystine level was elevated, at 0.6 mg per deciliter (normal value, <0.01), and the methionine level was low, at 0.06 mg per deciliter (normal mean [±SD] value, 0.48±0.18); the vitamin B12 level was normal, at 403 pg per milliliter (297 pmol per liter) (normal range, 150 to 800 pg per milliliter [111 to 590 pmol per liter]). The serum folate level, measured by radioimmunoassay, was 3.8 ng per milliliter (8.5 nmol per liter) (normal range, 2.5 to 15.0 ng per milliliter [5.6 to 33.4 nmol per liter]), and the level of folate in the cerebrospinal fluid was 26.0 ng per milliliter (57.9 nmol per liter) (normal range, 10.6 to 85.0 ng per milliliter [23.6 to 189.2 nmol per liter]). The patient died at 130 days of age (46 days after the resection) after a respiratory arrest. An autopsy showed asymmetric cerebral atrophy and severe demyelination, with astrogliosis and oligodendroglial-c ell depletion in the midbrain, medulla, and cerebellum. The values for MTHFR activity in cultured fibroblasts reported post mortem were 1.22 and 0.8 nmol of formaldehyde produced per milligram of protein per hour (normal mean value, 5.04±1.36) with and without flavinadenine dinucleotide, respectively. The simultaneous control values were 6.4 and 5.4 nmol of formaldehyde produced per hour per milligram of protein with and without flavinadenine dinucleotide, respectively.5 Methods The investigations were carried out with approval of the University of Wisconsin's institutional review board. Written informed consent was obtained from all the participants. Fibroblast Culture and MTHFR Activity Fibroblasts were cultured from skin-punch biopsy specimens obtained from both parents and from the patient's stored samples. MTHFR activity was measured at confluence, as previously described.6 All the assays were performed in duplicate, with simultaneous assay of a normal control. Preparation and Sequence Analysis of Genomic DNA Genomic DNA was isolated from the cultured fibroblasts from the patient and both parents and from either blood or buccal cells from other relatives. Each of the 11 MTHFR exons was amplified from genomic DNA by the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) with the use of newly designed intronic primers.7,8 (The sequences of the primers are listed in Supplementary Appendix 1 with the full text of this article at http://www.nejm.org.) The patient's and both parents' PCR products were bidirectionally sequenced. A novel mutation in the patient's DNA at nucleotide 1755 (exon 10) and two previously described frequent polymorphisms at positions 677 (exon 4) and 1298 (exon 7) in the MTHFR gene were analyzed in the genomic DNA from the parents and other relatives with the use of the restriction enzymes NlaIII, HinfI, and MboII, as previously described.3,4 Family members were also screened as previously described for common polymorphisms in the genes encoding enzymes that regulate folate and homocysteine metabolism; these polymorphisms have been implicated in the pathogenesis of neural-tube defects, other congenital anomalies, and cardiovascular and neoplastic disease.9 The polymorphisms include those that encode methionine synthase (MTR; the polymorphism results in the substitution of glycine for aspartic acid at residue 919),10 methionine synthase reductase (MTRR; the polymorphism results in the substitution of methionine for isoleucine at residue 22),11 and cystathionine -synthase (CBS; the polymorphism is a 68-bp duplication).12 RNA Analysis To evaluate the expression of an intact copy of the predominant 7.2-kb MTHFR isoform,13 RNA was isolated from the patient's cultured fibroblasts. A 2206-bp product containing the entire coding region was amplified by PCR from the complementary DNA (cDNA) transcript and sequenced in full. The 7.2-kb cDNA product was amplified as seven overlapping fragments ranging from 1.0 to 2.2 kb in size, as verified by gel electrophoresis. (The primers used to sequence the cDNA transcript and to amplify the cDNA as overlapping fragments are listed in Supplementary Appendixes 2 and 3, respectively, with the full text of this article at http://www.nejm.org.) Bands corresponding to the expected fragment sizes were excised, and the first 300 bases of the 5' and 3' ends were sequenced to allow positive identification of each fragment. Fragments from the patient and an unrelated control were then compared. Results Enzyme Activity in Fibroblasts The patient's MTHFR activity in two replicates was 0.76 and 0.03 nmol of formaldehyde per milligram of protein per hour (normal mean value, 13.3±4.6 with the use of the current method of measurement6), with a simultaneous normal control of 11.52 nmol of formaldehyde per milligram of protein per hour. MTHFR activity in the father and mother (1.8 and 6.1 nmol of formaldehyde per milligram of protein per hour, respectively) was reduced, with a control level of 9.5 nmol of formaldehyde per milligram of protein per hour. Genomic DNA-Sequence Analysis The patient was found to be heterozygous for a novel mutation, 1755GA in exon 10, which causes a substitution of isoleucine for methionine at residue 581 (M581I)14 (GenBank accession number, NM_005957). Restriction-enzyme analysis confirmed the presence of the 1755GA mutation in the heterozygous patient, his father, his brother, one uncle, and one aunt, but not in 100 control chromosomes. The patient was also heterozygous for a 677CT mutation in exon 4 (resulting in a substitution of valine for alanine at residue 222) and a 1298AC mutation in exon 7 (resulting in a substitution of alanine for glutamic acid at residue 429). In addition to being heterozygous for 1755GA, the father was homozygous (TT) for the 677CT mutation and homozygous (AA) at 1298A (Figure 2). The mother was heterozygous for both common polymorphisms and homozygous (wild type) at 1755G. The sibling's haplotype was identical to that of the patient in all coding regions. The novel mutation at 1755GA was therefore transmitted to the patient from a paternal chromosome, in cis configuration with the 677CT mutation. Two of the father's four siblings had haplotypes identical to the father's haplotype and were heterozygous for the 1755GA mutation and homozygous for the 677CT mutation (Table 1). View larger version (6K): [in this window] [in a new window] Figure 2. Nucleotide Changes in the MTHFR Gene in the Patient and His Parents. In addition to the coding changes, the patient (the proband) and his mother were heterozygous for a substitution of adenine for cysteine at position 2355, which is 375 bases (in the 3' direction) from the stop codon, on the same chromosome as the 1298C polymorphism. This substitution is in a region of unknown importance. Asterisks denote DNA-sequence variants. The open bars represent the MTHFR gene, and the black bars the remainder of each chromosome in the pair. View this table: [in this window] [in a new window] Table 1. Polymorphisms in the Patient and Members of His Family. We sequenced 25 to 40 bases beyond all intronic boundaries to look for altered splice junctions. There were no substitutions in the 5' and 3' untranslated regions flanking the MTHFR gene, within or proximate to a putative binding site for a transcription factor or an actual start site mapped by Gaughan et al.13 and Homberger et al.15 The DNA sequence approximately 550 bp in the 3' direction from the MTHFR stop codon and a 400-bp segment encompassing the distal 3'-polyadenylation site contained several polymorphisms, but none at sites with recognized functional significance. We also performed genomic analysis of the genes encoding methionine synthase, methionine synthase reductase, and cystathionine -synthase. Genotypes at these loci for all members of the pedigree are provided in Table 1. RNA Analysis No size differences were observed among the seven MTHFR cDNA fragments, indicating that the patient's fibroblasts expressed an intact MTHFR transcript. The 2.2-kb product contained the entire coding region of the transcript and was used to sequence a region beginning 50 bp in the 5' direction from the translational start site and ending 150 bp downstream of the stop codon. This product was of the expected length, and no alternate splicing variants were detected. The entire product was sequenced and compared with the published sequence14 (GenBank accession number, NM_005957). The presence of the heterozygous common polymorphisms 677CT and 1298AC, as well as the heterozygote substitution 1775GA, was confirmed. Discussion The inactivation of methionine synthase by nitrous oxide has been demonstrated with purified enzyme,16 in cultured cells,17,18 in animal models,19 and in humans.20,21,22 The mean half-time of inactivation is 46 minutes. Residual methionine synthase activity more than 200 minutes after the start of nitrous oxide administration approaches zero.21 Mice, pigs, and rats exposed to nitrous oxide have delayed recovery of enzyme activity for periods of four days or more.19,23,24,25 Recovery in cultured cells indicates that nitrous oxide–mediated inhibition is irreversible, with de novo synthesis of the enzyme required to restore activity.26 The untoward consequences of nitrous oxide anesthesia in our patient are reminiscent of two recent case reports. In the first, an eight-month-old child had acute neurologic deterioration six days after an 80-minute period of anesthesia with nitrous oxide.27 In the second, a four-month-old child was admitted because of hypotonia, dehydration, and acidosis three weeks after surgery that had involved a 180-minute period of anesthesia with nitrous oxide.28 Both children were found to have severe dietary cobalamin deficiency. These instances of methionine synthase inhibition have a time course and clinical features similar to those observed in our patient but were nonlethal, perhaps because they were elicited after only a single exposure to nitrous oxide. Moreover, our patient had an inborn error of metabolism in an essential precursor in a metabolic pathway, rather than an acquired deficiency, and nitrous oxide was delivered on two occasions only a few days apart. Severe MTHFR deficiency is an autosomal recessive disorder characterized by progressive hypotonia, convulsions, and psychomotor retardation. The clinical presentation may be subtle, with the disorder manifested as developmental disability in the setting of moderate homocystinuria and hyperhomocysteinemia and low-to-normal levels of plasma methionine.29 Twenty-nine mutations in MTHFR are associated with severe deficiency, with a resulting activity level that is usually 0 to 30 percent of control activity.7,8,14,30,31,32,33 Most patients are heterozygous for multiple MTHFR substitutions; a small minority are homozygous for mutations at this locus. The 1755GA substitution identified in our patient occurs in a phylogenetically conserved region of the MTHFR protein (as assessed with BLASTP software, version 2.2.1). This region, which is thought to be essential for functional protein folding,34 is a " hot spot " for mutations leading to MTHFR deficiency (1711CT, 1727CT, 1762AT, and 1768GA).7,8 The heterozygous presence of the 1755GA substitution in the patient's father, brother, one uncle, and one aunt and its absence in 100 independent control chromosomes suggest that it is not a benign variant. Compound heterozygosity for the common MTHFR alleles 677CT and 1298AC, as seen in the patient, his mother, and his brother, causes elevations in the plasma homocysteine level4 that are associated with a 50 to 60 percent decrement in enzyme activity.35 In the absence of coding mutations elsewhere in the MTHFR gene or evidence of a mutant splice variant, our patient's deficient enzyme activity may be attributable to compound heterozygosity for the novel 1755GA mutation, with the prevalent 677CT polymorphism on the same (paternal) chromosome and the 1298AC mutation on the maternal chromosome. It has recently been shown that when mutations causing severe MTHFR deficiency are expressed in cis configuration with the common 677CT variant, the resultant phenotype is markedly aggravated.34 Every year, approximately 45 million persons in North America undergo anesthesia, and nitrous oxide constitutes a major component in about half these procedures.36 Because of the growing use of nitrous oxide,37,38,39,40,41 patients with known mutations associated with mild or severe abnormalities in folate-cycle enzymes are increasingly likely to receive nitrous oxide. On the strength of the current findings, we believe that patients with a diagnosis of severe MTHFR deficiency should not receive nitrous oxide as anesthesia. In the case of emergency procedures, patients whose clinical presentation fits that of severe MTHFR deficiency, even if the disorder has not been diagnosed, should also not receive nitrous oxide. In the case of elective procedures, patients whose clinical presentation fits that of severe MTHFR deficiency should be evaluated, and the diagnosis should be ruled out before anesthesia with nitrous oxide is contemplated. Supported by grants from the Doris Duke Foundation and the University of Wisconsin Department of Anesthesiology Research and Development Fund (to Dr. Hogan) and the Canadian Institutes of Health Research (to Dr. Rosenblatt). We are indebted to Singh Sekhon, Ph.D. (University of Wisconsin, Madison), for the fibroblast cultures and to H. , M.D. (Metabolite Laboratories, Denver), for the assays of total homocysteine. Source Information From the Departments of Anesthesiology (R.R.S., K.H.) and Medical Genetics (R.L.), University of Wisconsin Medical School, Madison; and the Departments of Human Genetics, Medicine, Pediatrics, and Biology, McGill University, Montreal (D.S.R.). Address reprint requests to Dr. Hogan at the Department of Anesthesiology, B6/319 Clinical Sciences Center, 600 Highland Ave., Madison, WI 53792, or at khogan@.... References 1. Chiang PK, Gordon RK, Tal J, et al. S-adenosylmethionine and methylation. FASEB J 1996;10:471-480.[Abstract/Full Text] 2. Beckman DR, Hoganson G, Berlow S, Gilbert EF. Pathological findings in 5,10-methylene tetrahydrofolate reductase deficiency. Birth Defects Orig Artic Ser 1987;23:47-64.[Medline] 3. Frosst P, Blom HJ, Milos R, et al. A candidate genetic risk factor for vascular disease: a common mutation in methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase. Nat Genet 1995;10:111-113.[iSI][Medline] 4. van der Put NM, Gabreels F, s EM, et al. A second common mutation in the methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase gene: an additional risk factor for neural-tube defects? Am J Hum Genet 1998;62:1044-1051.[CrossRef][iSI][Medline] 5. Kanwar YS, Manaligod JR, Wong PW. 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Ann Emerg Med 2001;37:61-62.[CrossRef][iSI][Medline] > > May I also get the article, my NT son who is 2 years younger than our > autistic son will be having a hernia operation, and I am very concerned > about anesthesia. > > S.Park > > > > > > ________________________________ De: B <peter_2_@...> Para: autism mercury <autism treatment > Enviado: martes, 7 de septiembre, 2010 6:06:11 Asunto: RE: [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow  Please can ou send it to me asap as we are having scan tomorrow and my little 5 year old girl needs me to make the right decision on this > > From: isaguzmandiaz2@... > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:04:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - >tomorrow > > Please no propophol....let me get home to send u some info on the no nos doe >ASD kids > > Isa > > > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel > > > > [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow > > > > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and >has very serious problem here): > > > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > > IV: propofol > > > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 >minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > > > Comments please regarding safety. > > > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any >lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 , What you can do, to limit any effects of nitrous oxide, is to load your daughter up with mB12, B6 and folate today and for the next 2 weeks. The issue with nitrous oxide is that it depletes B12 (irreversible oxidation of cobalt atom). IF you are already B12 deficient with elevated homocysteine, nitrous oxide can cause a build up of Methylmalonic acid (MMA) in the blood which can cause some neurological decline. I'm missing some steps here. This does not happen to all ASD kids. Although it is a risk, it is not a given that your daughter will regress from the use of nitrous oxide. If you are now totally freaked out, you can have your child's blood level of homocysteine measured (if they will do that for you). The people that died had severe MTHFr deficiencies... and that might not even be an issue for your child. One child had 2 back to back surgeries. I do not know what tests you have completed in the past (MTHFR is a genetic test) or what supplements you currently use. Good luck to you. I hope you find some answers. Pam > > > > May I also get the article, my NT son who is 2 years younger than our > > autistic son will be having a hernia operation, and I am very concerned > > about anesthesia. > > > > S.Park > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > De: B <peter_2_@...> > Para: autism mercury <autism treatment > > Enviado: martes, 7 de septiembre, 2010 6:06:11 > Asunto: RE: [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow > >  > > Please can ou send it to me asap as we are having scan tomorrow and my little 5 > year old girl needs me to make the right decision on this > > > > > From: isaguzmandiaz2@... > > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:04:26 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - > >tomorrow > > > > Please no propophol....let me get home to send u some info on the no nos doe > >ASD kids > > > > Isa > > > > > > > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel > > > > > > > > [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow > > > > > > > > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and > >has very serious problem here): > > > > > > > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > > > > > > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > > > > IV: propofol > > > > > > > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > > > > > > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > > > > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 > >minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > > > > > > > Comments please regarding safety. > > > > > > > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any > >lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 I have never- not once seen any child that benefited from the MRI. Every MRI I have seen is normal and it only put the child at greater risk. Remember she probably has a vaccine injury or environmental exposures due primarily because of metals and toxins. If I had to do it all over again. I would skip the MRI allllll together. There is no need at this time unless there are extenuating circumstances. For her safety, don't do it. It is diagnostic and adds no value. More harm! Get a genetics blood test and remove metals. Then, re-evaluate your position. Ask around, has any child with the issues like our kids had positive findings? Probably not or very rare. All they are left with is the damage the MRI caused in the first place. On Sep 7, 2010, at 5:50 AM, " peter " <peter_2_@...> wrote: > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > IV: propofol > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > Comments please regarding safety. > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 My child's MRI revealed Chari I Malformation that was corrected surgically with some improvement. I would do another MRI if I could afford it to see what's going on now. ________________________________ From: " countmybaby@... " <countmybaby@...> " " < > Cc: " " < > Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 2:02:37 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow I have never- not once seen any child that benefited from the MRI. Every MRI I have seen is normal and it only put the child at greater risk. Remember she probably has a vaccine injury or environmental exposures due primarily because of metals and toxins. If I had to do it all over again. I would skip the MRI allllll together. There is no need at this time unless there are extenuating circumstances. For her safety, don't do it. It is diagnostic and adds no value. More harm! Get a genetics blood test and remove metals. Then, re-evaluate your position. Ask around, has any child with the issues like our kids had positive findings? Probably not or very rare. All they are left with is the damage the MRI caused in the first place. On Sep 7, 2010, at 5:50 AM, " peter " <peter_2_@...> wrote: > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and >has very serious problem here): > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > IV: propofol > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 >minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > Comments please regarding safety. > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any >lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Isa, I am trying to reach about something very urgent offline. Is your this email at dot com? I had sent you a message and it returned undelivered. If you have time you can write to me offline sasmitamishra at hotmail dot com. sasmita > > Please no propophol....let me get home to send u some info on the no nos doe ASD kids > Isa > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel > > [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow > > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > IV: propofol > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > Comments please regarding safety. > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Here's your first then. My son's showed several areas of inflammation and punctuate focii. Our DAN said we all know ASD kids have it but he's never seen it show up on an MRI before. That's my son though....never has results like most kids and doesn't respond to supps or meds like most either Kerrie Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2010, at 2:02 PM, countmybaby@... wrote: > I have never- not once seen any child that benefited from the MRI. Every MRI I have seen is normal and it only put the child at greater risk. > Remember she probably has a vaccine injury or environmental exposures due primarily because of metals and toxins. If I had to do it all over again. I would skip the MRI allllll together. There is no need at this time unless there are extenuating circumstances. > For her safety, don't do it. > It is diagnostic and adds no value. More harm! > Get a genetics blood test and remove metals. Then, re-evaluate your position. > > Ask around, has any child with the issues like our kids had positive findings? Probably not or very rare. All they are left with is the damage the MRI caused in the first place. > > > > > On Sep 7, 2010, at 5:50 AM, " peter " <peter_2_@...> wrote: > >> We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): >> >> General Anaesthetic choice between: >> >> Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) >> IV: propofol >> >> Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium >> >> Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed >> 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home >> >> Comments please regarding safety. >> >> (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Isa, Can you please share this with the rest of us as well? Thanks, a H> > > Please no propophol....let me get home to send u some info on the no nos doe ASD kids > Isa > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel > > [ ] Brain MRI scan under general anaesthetic - tomorrow > > We have this tomorrow (our daughter cannot speak more than a few syllables and has very serious problem here): > > General Anaesthetic choice between: > > Gas: nitrous oxide + sebofluoride (organic flouride) > IV: propofol > > Dye: unlikely to use, but could use organic cyclic gadallium > > Agenda: No food or drink most of night. Go to hospital ward bed > 8.30 am. Questions. Anaesthetic where Sophie will sleep completely. 30-60 minute scan. Wake up. Go home > > Comments please regarding safety. > > (NB: we are looking to measure: brain inflammation levels, any tumour, any lesions, de-myelination of nerves, possibly toxic metals) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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