Re: Fraud from Generation Rescue

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What does GR even have to do with her video? I am confused.

Tracey

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Ignore it.

Of course this story is threatening to those who advocate vaccines, and I expect

these reactions. I do think it is somewhat unfortunate that Dr. Buttar is the

treating D.O., here since his methods are questionable and easily portrayed as

bizarre/irresponsible. It takes away from the truth of her story that people

need to be aware of the risks of a vaccine.

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not fraud... more to the story...

 

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Subject: [ ] Fraud from Generation Rescue

Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:23 AM

 

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Pam,

This hoax was perpetrated by the people who advocate vaccines. It is designed

to make people who tell the truth about how vaccines cause damage look like a

bunch of liars and idiots.

Pretend you never heard of autism. What would you think of this actress and

doctor with a miracle cure that works in a matter of hours?

This hoax is part of propaganda tactics known as " bandwagon " and " repetition "

whereby every little bit of information that plays in the media is used as a

tool to discredit everyone who cures autism.

Please don't tell people to ignore propaganda that's designed to hurt their

children when you haven't thought about it.

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Yes, fraud. Generation Rescue is quite experienced at fraud. Let's see if you

can find the fraud in this study that they did

http://generationrescue.org/pdf/survey.pdf

If you can't find it, check back with me and I'll give you the link that

explains that piece of fraud.

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I meant we should ignore that personal blogger. A lot of people waste their

time orchestrating a witty reply to bloggers like that and it isn't going to do

anything to alter that blogger's mind. You wind up in a big pissing match;

giving the blogger even more air time.

There are other ways to go about raising awarness and exposing the truth about

toxins and neurological damage.

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Mr. Bettwice,

I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here in our group. Over

the past week you have stirred the pot with Rick and now this. Your posts are

quite aggressive and caustic. I'm not sure if you are just angry (I sure can

be) or up to something.

Dr. Buttar is not part of a hoax to expose the 'vaccine danger' crowd as liars

and kooks. I just don't see where you are going... Generation Rescue, too?

To tell me I haven't 'thought about it' isn't OK. I live it.

Just an observation. Take a step back and relax.

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Pam,

That personal blogger is me, Best. I don't expect a " pissing match " . I'm

hoping you can learn the truth about how Generation Rescue is a scam. I was

part of GR. I was scammed and I don't like it.

I was trained in psychological warfare by the Air Force. Were you? I'm giving

you information that you should be made aware of. GR has conned a lot of people

and you should not be advising people to ignore the fact that they have been

conned by JB Handley when you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Pam,

My name is Best. I've lived with this a lot longer than you and I was the

one who brought you here so you could learn how to help your son. If you think

I gave you good advice back then, maybe you can open your mind and allow

yourself to learn some more.

You're the one being caustic here by suggesting that I haver some agenda. My

only agenda is to help children. When I see dishonesty, such as Rick Tallman

presented, I'll let you know about it.

When I find more proof of Generation Rescue's dishonesty, as I did today, I'll

let you know that too. You may ask for more information if you don't completely

understand why I know that GR is dishonest. I'm not going to let you smear my

character when I am here to help you recognize evil people like JB Handley and

Kirby.

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Whats this truth then mate cos i dont see any facts in your post just a bit of

an ego trip

Can you give us a summary like your top ten points or something?

Cheers

From: bettwice33@...

Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:04:52 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Fraud from Generation Rescue

Pam,

That personal blogger is me, Best. I don't expect a " pissing match " . I'm

hoping you can learn the truth about how Generation Rescue is a scam. I was part

of GR. I was scammed and I don't like it.

I was trained in psychological warfare by the Air Force. Were you? I'm giving

you information that you should be made aware of. GR has conned a lot of people

and you should not be advising people to ignore the fact that they have been

conned by JB Handley when you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Here's one point. Please watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rizzk43mZQ

Then go back to that post and click on the hyperlink in the last paragraph and

read what JB Handley's 2006 study showed, utter nonsense.

Then ask yourself why anyone would give GR to a Playboy bunny to run so she

could make us all look like wackos, considering that her child was an indigo

child before she decided he was autistic.

Do you think people here cure their kids by removing mercury from their brains

because mercury caused the autism? Or, do you agree with GR that it was

vaccines that don't have any mercury in them that caused the autism? If

vaccines without mercury cause autism, it wouldn't be possible for anyone here

to make their kids better by removing it, would it?

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We want a 10 point summary thanks not hyperlinks and videos and abstracts

From: bettwice33@...

Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:07:31 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Fraud from Generation Rescue

Here's one point. Please watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rizzk43mZQ

Then go back to that post and click on the hyperlink in the last paragraph and

read what JB Handley's 2006 study showed, utter nonsense.

Then ask yourself why anyone would give GR to a Playboy bunny to run so she

could make us all look like wackos, considering that her child was an indigo

child before she decided he was autistic.

Do you think people here cure their kids by removing mercury from their brains

because mercury caused the autism? Or, do you agree with GR that it was vaccines

that don't have any mercury in them that caused the autism? If vaccines without

mercury cause autism, it wouldn't be possible for anyone here to make their kids

better by removing it, would it?

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If you want a ten point summary, you'll have to ask your mother to teach you

some manners so you can ask politely with " please' and " thank-you " . If you want

to learn how Generation Rescue deceives people, you can click on the links

without going through a course in remedial manners. Your choice.

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Please can we have a ten point summary then Sir

From: bettwice33@...

Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:34:11 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Fraud from Generation Rescue

If you want a ten point summary, you'll have to ask your mother to teach you

some manners so you can ask politely with " please' and " thank-you " . If you want

to learn how Generation Rescue deceives people, you can click on the links

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I am sorry. I don't know you. But I have to say that your e-mails come off like

an angry spiteful person. You continually allude to some horrible injustice by

Generation Rescue ( a group that has done a tremendous amount of good for our

kids) but you offer no proof. Only innuendoes.

Why don't you just tell us what they did to you and let us make up our own

minds? You stated that they CONNED you. Tell us how. I wold hate to be involved

with a group that is purposefully conning people.

Otherwise, back off the angry, vicious condemning, but unsubstantiated

statements.

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Mel,

I was a part of GR from the start in 2005. I watched it go from being a great

organization that helped parents learn how to cure autism to becoming a den of

lies and bad information.

I wrote all sorts of posts about Kirby, Handley and Moulden, a con artist

who Andy exposed for all of us here, who was associated with GR with the sole

intent of deceiving people about how vaccines cause autism.

Now, GR promotes this junk about vaccines causing autism without mercury. They

ignore the fact that the flu shot to pregnant women has mercury and damages the

fetus. They've done this several times on TV. By refusing to mention this,

they help Pharma and the CDC hide that fact.

Their sister group, TACA, tells everyone that autism can be cured with that

stupid diet. Do you think food can cause brain damage consistent with autism?

My son's bowel problems were cured after a few rounds of chelation six years

ago, no diet. Does GR or TACA tell anyone this?

GR hasn't actually done any good for kids themselves. The best thing any of the

Rescue Angels could do was to send people here to learn from Andy. A lot of

them send people to waste their time with the diet instead.

The big CON GAME that GR is playing is with public opinion. They lead parents

to waste their time playing games with corrupt politicians when they should be

working to throw those corrupt politicians out of office. They keep demanding

more studies that we know will be rigged instead of demanding that the media

tell the truth. Theye could inspire parents to spread the truth themselves

instead of allowing sissies like kirby to speak on our behalf.

Do you like Kirby speaking for you and not being man enough to state

adamantly that mercury is absolutely the cause of autism? I know mercury is the

cause of autism. I can stand up and make those speeches, and I've done so on

many occasions. Why won't Kirby?

Go search for Moulden, Kirby and Handley on http://hatingautism.blogspot.com if

you want to learn more about this deception. It has gone on for a long time

and I can't come close to spelling it all out here.

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Pam, it's our old friend Best. Asking him to relax is like asking a

corgi to jump up on a bed.

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> I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here in our

> group. Over the past week you have stirred the pot with Rick and now

> this. Your posts are quite aggressive and caustic. I'm not sure if you

> are just angry (I sure can be) or up to something.

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> as liars and kooks. I just don't see where you are going... Generation

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> I was a part of GR from the start in 2005. I watched it go from being

> a great organization that helped parents learn how to cure autism to

> becoming a den of lies and bad information.

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> I wrote all sorts of posts about Kirby, Handley and Moulden, a

> con artist who Andy exposed for all of us here, who was associated

> with GR with the sole intent of deceiving people about how vaccines

> cause autism.

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> Now, GR promotes this junk about vaccines causing autism without

> mercury. They ignore the fact that the flu shot to pregnant women has

> mercury and damages the fetus. They've done this several times on TV.

> By refusing to mention this, they help Pharma and the CDC hide that fact.

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> Their sister group, TACA, tells everyone that autism can be cured with

> that stupid diet. Do you think food can cause brain damage consistent

> with autism? My son's bowel problems were cured after a few rounds of

> chelation six years ago, no diet. Does GR or TACA tell anyone this?

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> GR hasn't actually done any good for kids themselves. The best thing

> any of the Rescue Angels could do was to send people here to learn

> from Andy. A lot of them send people to waste their time with the diet

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> The big CON GAME that GR is playing is with public opinion. They lead

> parents to waste their time playing games with corrupt politicians

> when they should be working to throw those corrupt politicians out of

> office. They keep demanding more studies that we know will be rigged

> instead of demanding that the media tell the truth. Theye could

> inspire parents to spread the truth themselves instead of allowing

> sissies like kirby to speak on our behalf.

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> Do you like Kirby speaking for you and not being man enough to

> state adamantly that mercury is absolutely the cause of autism? I know

> mercury is the cause of autism. I can stand up and make those

> speeches, and I've done so on many occasions. Why won't Kirby?

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> you want to learn more about this deception. It has gone on for a long

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Dear ,

Nice to see you again.

The 10 point list is a great idea. It would help you organize your

thoughts which are often scattered at best. You don't even have to

_explain_ things. Just one small sentence for each idea. Or 20 points,

if you have that many.

Pointing people in the direction of links or videos is problematic and

doesn't work. If they don't know exactly what point you are making, they

often reach the wrong conclusion from the same material you think proves

your point! People have a tendency to " skim " when their time is limited.

If you want to catch their attention, you have to spell it out for them.

The other thing you should know is that using inflammatory language like

" den of lies " , " con game " , " not being man enough " , etc... makes people

stop listening to you. If you have, in fact, been trained in psych

warfare, you will remember this from the introductory course.

I do understand the concept of " spewing words due to one's pathology "

all too well. Please take care of yourself first, then worry about how

you can change the world second. The world _will_ wait for you. It

always does.

Best,

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I studied psychological warfare before the world was corrupted by politically

correct language. Back then, anyone who tried to use it was laughed at. Now,

young people have been brainwashed into believing it.

You may be right that some people stop listening when they hear honest language.

I'll keep using it anyhow. I'm not going to become a sophist.

Anyhow, since I've already spent a lot of hours writing this story of deception,

I'm not going to spend a lot more hours doing it one neat post for everyone

here.

If anyone does not like being deceived by people like Kirby, they can

start with a whole seven minutes of their life here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rizzk43mZQ

They can learn the rest if they want.

Remember " Dr " Moulden, ? He plays a role in all of this. If

you're interested, you can learn how that guy never graduated from Med, school

like he claimed.

Best

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I figured that out after the fact (sign names, please!). This is the second

time in recent memory that I've jumped all over dear . Both of us are

getting old and cranky.

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I recall some discussion here years ago where people were coming here for advice

after Buttar's protocol made their kids worse. If Buttar could cure in

a few hours, can he also cure autism that quickly?

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Mr. fraud, yourself, your feeble attempt to prove such fallacy was unsuccessful

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