Re: Can I do a challenge test through direct labs?

[Guest guest]

ALA excretes metals via stool, so a urine test won't show much. You'd need dmsa

for that, and you aren't using dmsa currently. Others already explained why this

test is not useful.

You could consider a hair test or urine porphyrin.

I used to want my family on board too but I quickly learned that wasn't going to

happen. Most of this stuff sounds crazy to outside people who do not have

affected children. Even if you can show the metals on a piece of paper. I had a

very toxic hair test in hand and still they didn't believe me. I gave up on

wasting any energy on convincing them and began focusing on my child. Six months

into chelation I had their interest because they saw him changing. A year later

they really wanted to know what I had been doing that made him so much better.

But they were still not involved in helping. Four years later, still no help,

but they at least acknowledge this is working. So...I really had to give up on

the idea of support from anyone. I would not put my kid through testing just to

convince someone other than yourself. I've chelated two children and myself

without their help.

Jan

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> > The best proof is in symptom improvement. Lab tests are just snapshots in

time

> > and are misleading. Very easy to make bad decisions based on lab tests. If

your

> > child is improving, keep chelating - simple as that.

> > TJ

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> > ________________________________

> > From: <jessicawitmer@>

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> > Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 11:02:48 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Can I do a " challenge " test through direct labs?

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> > I am thinking of using direct labs to get some hard " proof " about what is

going

> > on with my daughter.

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> > Is there any way to do a " challenge " , measuring toxic metal output while

> > chelating using ALA only? can I just order a fecal test through Direct Labs

and

> > take a sample while chelating?

> >

> > Or ....any other ideas?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

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[Guest guest]

With fours of doing this and researching I have to completely agree with you TJ.

I've yet to see a kid with a normal hair test that is on the spectrum.

Jan

> > >

> > > The best proof is in symptom improvement. Lab tests are just snapshots in

> >time

> > > and are misleading. Very easy to make bad decisions based on lab tests. If

> >your

> > > child is improving, keep chelating - simple as that.

> > > TJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: <jessicawitmer@>

> > >

> > > Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 11:02:48 AM

> > > Subject: [ ] Can I do a " challenge " test through direct labs?

> > >

> > >  

> > > I am thinking of using direct labs to get some hard " proof " about what is

> >going

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

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> >

[Guest guest]

Problem is, some of the most abnormal hair tests can be on seemingly NT folks!

Why do some get so ill and some not? I wish we could have some solid research

in this area. More than just the renegades who are then ostracized.

Pam

> > > >

> > > > The best proof is in symptom improvement. Lab tests are just snapshots

in

> > >time

> > > > and are misleading. Very easy to make bad decisions based on lab tests.

If

> > >your

> > > > child is improving, keep chelating - simple as that.

> > > > TJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: <jessicawitmer@>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 11:02:48 AM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Can I do a " challenge " test through direct

labs?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > I am thinking of using direct labs to get some hard " proof " about what

is

> > >going

> > >

> > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, maybe I'll just do a hair test then. Start with that and see if that's

enough evidence for my family.

I wish I could chelate her without feeling like I was putting her kidneys at

risk. Her BUN test was high and she already urinates so much, I just have a lot

of anxiety about that. Her immune system is totally shot, so what little

chelation we did with her (5 rounds) we had so much yeast.

However, I am thinking of trying again soon with enhansa added this time for

lead (and all the other many benefits) and maybe just doing 1 or 2 mgs of ALA.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best proof is in symptom improvement. Lab tests are just snapshots

in

> > > >time

> > > > > and are misleading. Very easy to make bad decisions based on lab

tests. If

> > > >your

> > > > > child is improving, keep chelating - simple as that.

> > > > > TJ

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: <jessicawitmer@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 11:02:48 AM

> > > > > Subject: [ ] Can I do a " challenge " test through direct

labs?

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > I am thinking of using direct labs to get some hard " proof " about what

is

> > > >going

> > > >

> > > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

So when you do ten rounds of chelation, how do you know what is coming out?

do we just rely on noticeable improvement, or do you check urine or stool to

see if the metals are coming out? Or do you do another hair test?

[Guest guest]

You just rely on subtle, noticeable improvements. Exactly.

If you are doing lab tests there is a good chance you will stop too soon.

Andy says to chelate until you are " All Better " and then go 2-3 months after

that.

" All Better " means symptom free.

Symptom free means:

* Eat any food they want with no reaction

* No Yeast

* No speech and communication issues

* No social issues

* No cognitive issues

* No special supplements

* No Autism, PDD-NOS, ADHD, etc...

The general consensus on the board here is 100-300 rounds. A round is usually a

week. This means 2-6 years depending on the severity.

TJ

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From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 8:22:10 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Can I do a " challenge " test through direct

labs?

 

So when you do ten rounds of chelation, how do you know what is coming out?

do we just rely on noticeable improvement, or do you check urine or stool to

see if the metals are coming out? Or do you do another hair test?

[Guest guest]

TJ, I thought a " round " was considered three days on, four days off.

Or is " round " seven days of continuous chelation?

>

> You just rely on subtle, noticeable improvements. Exactly.

> If you are doing lab tests there is a good chance you will stop too soon.

> Andy says to chelate until you are " All Better " and then go 2-3 months after

> that.

> " All Better " means symptom free.

> Symptom free means:

> * Eat any food they want with no reaction

> * No Yeast

> * No speech and communication issues

> * No social issues

> * No cognitive issues

> * No special supplements

> * No Autism, PDD-NOS, ADHD, etc...

> The general consensus on the board here is 100-300 rounds. A round is usually

a

> week. This means 2-6 years depending on the severity.

> TJ

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 8:22:10 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Can I do a " challenge " test through direct

> labs?

>

>  

> So when you do ten rounds of chelation, how do you know what is coming out?

> do we just rely on noticeable improvement, or do you check urine or stool to

> see if the metals are coming out? Or do you do another hair test?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Three days on and four days off = a week

Times 100-300 equals two to six years.

TJ

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From: <jessicawitmer@...>

Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 3:43:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Can I do a " challenge " test through direct labs?

TJ, I thought a " round " was considered three days on, four days off.

Or is " round " seven days of continuous chelation?

>

> You just rely on subtle, noticeable improvements. Exactly.

> If you are doing lab tests there is a good chance you will stop too soon.

> Andy says to chelate until you are " All Better " and then go 2-3 months after

> that.

> " All Better " means symptom free.

> Symptom free means:

> * Eat any food they want with no reaction

> * No Yeast

> * No speech and communication issues

> * No social issues

> * No cognitive issues

> * No special supplements

> * No Autism, PDD-NOS, ADHD, etc...

> The general consensus on the board here is 100-300 rounds. A round is usually

a

>

> week. This means 2-6 years depending on the severity.

> TJ

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 8:22:10 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Can I do a " challenge " test through direct

> labs?

>

> Â

> So when you do ten rounds of chelation, how do you know what is coming out?

> do we just rely on noticeable improvement, or do you check urine or stool to

> see if the metals are coming out? Or do you do another hair test?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. On the AC protocol, how often should kidney/liver

function be checked? If it is in the book, I am re-reading it now.

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for the info. On the AC protocol, how often should kidney/liver

> function be checked?

Any time your mainstream pediatrician who doesn't believe in chelation thinks it

needs to be done, not otherwise.

>If it is in the book, I am re-reading it now.

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