Re: Steroids/ intravenous glutathione/plse help!

January 20, 2011

*I was hoping someone more knowledgable would have responded by now, but

anyhow, I don't think Dr. Cutler recommends Glutathione, but yes to the

precursors of Glutathione.*

*

*I don't think age is an impediment for AC chelation. Mercury is very hard

to track if the expousure is not recent.*

*

*My son had the same vaccines your son did, during his first year of life

and the MMR was the Icing on the cake.*

*

*Zurama

*

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:08 AM, nevin.penny@... <

Nevin.Penny@...> wrote:

>

> Hello LIst members,

>

> I am a member of your list but I never wrote anything in the past because

> we were not chelating. My son is 17 now and he is in a critical stage.WE

> live in London. I had amalgams,during my pregnancy I had these,my son had

> the MMRs,the HIB polio vaccination in the first year.that's one I

> particularly link this with his autism, becuase his head size getting bigger

> after the HIB ,polio vaccines..I believe MMRs blew the final straw in his

> autism, lost skills, increased severity.

>

> So I always believe that he is very fit for the toxic kid profile.

> When he was five we've done the challenge test with DMSA, showed nothing!

> So, we never took the chelation route.He has been on GF/CF diet since he was

> five..He developed sensitivites to medication particularly to gut

> medications.

> He had gastrointestinal problems in a consequtive years when he was 9..His

> health started going down more clearly after that..No weight gain or

> height.In the last two years he grew up tall but no weight gain.He has

> persistent parasities like Blasto hominis in his body.Last year he started

> having tonic clonic type of seizures.he had several tests, include

> EEG,didn't give many information.They call it he is having epileptic type of

> seizures!No clear diganosis becuase there may be other reasons that his body

> was triggerred..Especially in properuse of glutamic acid and ALA!

> He has been on the sodium valproate in the last 10 months..His seizures

> have contiuning monthly cycle..He is very sensitive to the gut medications,

> they trigger his pre seizure symptoms.

> My doctor finally decided that he is very toxic, the toxicity in the brain

> he has inflamation.He suggested 60 days steroid treatments together with

> intravenous glutathione then dealing with the other issues like gut,

> metabolic condition,like his chronic hyperventilation., this is the

> important one.He does it heavily,they called it is behavioural, I believe it

> is not!However this condition make his health worst!

> I am very reluctant to go to that path but Dr says " your boy is in a very

> critical stage,he doesn't have much time, despite medication his condtion is

> getting worst " .All these words are correct.At present he is on

> Immunovir..Perhaps he is in a stage whatever they try to him, it will

> trigger his seizure..

> I asked my dr what evidence he has to show me that my son's brain is in

> inflamation? I asked him to do some tests.

> My son has defintely have problems with his gut related issues glutamate

> for example..He fits for the Dr Amy Yasko's analysis.We are waiting for the

> Genomic test result now.

> My question is; how bad choice to put a young, very skinny boy for 60 day

> steroid treatment and glutathione intervention intravenously..

> Is there other way that we can achieve the results without going that

> dangerous path?

> Is my son's age and condition (I tried to draw a very complex profile which

> is true!) a big obstacle to start Andy Cutler's protocol?

> My dr mentioned about an ongoing treatment in America but I couldn't cath

> the name correctly, I was on the phone with him.I think Dr Arthur

> Krigman//?I may be wrong, English is my second language.

>

> I am sorry for my long message,but I have to do it.You are the experts with

> the chelation.I am going to decide after increase my knowledge about this

> treatment whether or not I should accept.I've come to a point that my son is

> really toxic despite DAN protocol (not with chelation)in the past,he is not

> really responsive. His gut still in a bad shape..He is a regressive case. He

> is still happy,affectionate,progressive dispraxia,dislexia..so on...

> I would appreciate if you could make a comment on my questions please.

> Regards

> Nevin Penny

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #45

25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

January 20, 2011

While he is old enough to use the steriods under the supervision of a doctor I

would advise some caution on the doses give and the length of time and why they

want to give them. Do you have Andy's book Amalgam Illness? He also has a book

on his website for sale about treating ASD.

NO glutathione at all and NOTHING in an IV. That will make him worse. And it

will not make him better.

In a child with these complexities I'd want to see a saliva panel for hormones,

serum labs for thyroid function, a delayed food allergy panel, a hair test from

Doctors Data.

DMSA challenges don't always show mercury if it's in the brain.

If he has gut issues what kind of diet is he on? Is he gluten free?? On any

probitoics? Have you done a parasite cleanse? What gut medication are they

giving him that is aggravating seizures and what is the medicine supposed to

treat?

If he has brain inflammation that's viral in origin, antiviral therapy may be

helpful. Not glutathione.

Parasites can cause seizures, so can significant thyroid dysfunction.

I think the Dr. Kringsman he's referring to is at Thoughtful House in the the

U.S. http://thoughtfulhouse.org/

If you can go there, maybe it's worth doing that.

In my opinion it's a very bad choice to put this child on IV glutathione. I'm

not sure about the steroids because I don't know the doses involved here or the

reason they feel it's imminent he has steroids. Generally they should not be

used in children. However at 17 he's almost not a child anymore and if he were

in significant adrenal failure....they may be needed.

Jan

>

> Hello LIst members,

>

> I am a member of your list but I never wrote anything in the past because we

were not chelating. My son is 17 now and he is in a critical stage.WE live in

London. I had amalgams,during my pregnancy I had these,my son had the MMRs,the

HIB polio vaccination in the first year.that's one I particularly link this with

his autism, becuase his head size getting bigger after the HIB ,polio

vaccines..I believe MMRs blew the final straw in his autism, lost skills,

increased severity.

>

> So I always believe that he is very fit for the toxic kid profile.

> When he was five we've done the challenge test with DMSA, showed nothing! So,

we never took the chelation route.He has been on GF/CF diet since he was

five..He developed sensitivites to medication particularly to gut medications.

> He had gastrointestinal problems in a consequtive years when he was 9..His

health started going down more clearly after that..No weight gain or height.In

the last two years he grew up tall but no weight gain.He has persistent

parasities like Blasto hominis in his body.Last year he started having tonic

clonic type of seizures.he had several tests, include EEG,didn't give many

information.They call it he is having epileptic type of seizures!No clear

diganosis becuase there may be other reasons that his body was

triggerred..Especially in properuse of glutamic acid and ALA!

> He has been on the sodium valproate in the last 10 months..His seizures have

contiuning monthly cycle..He is very sensitive to the gut medications, they

trigger his pre seizure symptoms.

> My doctor finally decided that he is very toxic, the toxicity in the brain he

has inflamation.He suggested 60 days steroid treatments together with

intravenous glutathione then dealing with the other issues like gut, metabolic

condition,like his chronic hyperventilation., this is the important one.He does

it heavily,they called it is behavioural, I believe it is not!However this

condition make his health worst!

> I am very reluctant to go to that path but Dr says " your boy is in a very

critical stage,he doesn't have much time, despite medication his condtion is

getting worst " .All these words are correct.At present he is on

Immunovir..Perhaps he is in a stage whatever they try to him, it will trigger

his seizure..

> I asked my dr what evidence he has to show me that my son's brain is in

inflamation? I asked him to do some tests.

> My son has defintely have problems with his gut related issues glutamate for

example..He fits for the Dr Amy Yasko's analysis.We are waiting for the Genomic

test result now.

> My question is; how bad choice to put a young, very skinny boy for 60 day

steroid treatment and glutathione intervention intravenously..

> Is there other way that we can achieve the results without going that

dangerous path?

> Is my son's age and condition (I tried to draw a very complex profile which is

true!) a big obstacle to start Andy Cutler's protocol?

> My dr mentioned about an ongoing treatment in America but I couldn't cath the

name correctly, I was on the phone with him.I think Dr Arthur Krigman//?I may be

wrong, English is my second language.

>

> I am sorry for my long message,but I have to do it.You are the experts with

the chelation.I am going to decide after increase my knowledge about this

treatment whether or not I should accept.I've come to a point that my son is

really toxic despite DAN protocol (not with chelation)in the past,he is not

really responsive. His gut still in a bad shape..He is a regressive case. He is

still happy,affectionate,progressive dispraxia,dislexia..so on...

> I would appreciate if you could make a comment on my questions please.

> Regards

> Nevin Penny

>

January 20, 2011

I would avoid steroids at all cost unless life threatening allergic reaction. I

would treat pathogens to reduce inflammation rather than weaken the immune

system with steroids. If you don't have a pathogenic dx it often is effective

to try broad spectrum herbal remedies like OLE and GSE to hit as many bugs as

possbile.

I think most would recommend glutathione precursors instead of glutathione

directly, however, I have seen some parents with good reports from glutathione

directly.