Re: Help!!! How much bleeding is needed for safety??? Tetnus Help!!!

[Guest guest]

What did the child get stabbed with? A crayon? It does make a difference

what caused the puncture wound.

I raise horses. I've been around them all my life. My father raised

horses. he ran twenty mares for twenty years. Horses live in tetanus

filled areas out in the pastures and woods. My father NEVER vaccinated. In

twenty years only ONE horse caught tetanus and that was caused by the animal

stepping on a rusty nail which got deeply embedded in the hoof and was found

out too late to do anything about it. So though the bacteria can be found

in the soil jsut aobut everywhere, it reallyis hard to catch. The bacteria

need an anerobic environment to thrive. Taht means they thrive only in the

absenceof oxygen.

Bleeding is nature's way of cleaning out a wound. Bleeding also provide

oxygenated blood throughout, thus preventing the right environment for the

bacteria to flourish.

Here, if one of my horses gets cut, I wash the wound every day and try to

get it to bleed more if I can. by scrubbing away the outside scab, I get

oxygen into the sound and force the wound to heal from the inside out. The

lower the cut is to the ground the more danger there is of the bacteria

getting into the wound, so the more vigilant I am. I also use peroxide to

oxygenate the wound, as well.

I apply the same principle to myself. working on a farm I get cut all the

time. I get splinters all the time. I wash and scrub as quickly as I

notice the wound. I get the splinter out as soon as I notice. I scrub it

every day and try to get it to bleed more and heal from the inside out. I

use peroxide. I often use an iodine scrub. Iodine is great for killing

bacteria, and most bodies need more iodine. the body will absorb the extra

iodine it needs into the body for use.

Once in a while if a horse is cut seriously enough, I give a tetanus

anti-toxin, but to be honest, I don't think there is enough evidence to

prove the shot is very effective. I think the most improtant way to avoid

tetanus is to not ignore a wound and to practice good wound hygiene quickly.

My husband ignored a wound on his finger once and worked in the garden. He

then got VERY sick, and he had the same symptoms one of my dear friends had

when she was diagnosed with Hodgkin's. Well, he was very sick,and then he

shows me this infected finger! I was upset he had not taken care of it and

allowed it to get infected. He did not get tetanus and did not take a shot,

but he was diagnosed with " Cat Scratch Fever, " whose symptom are very much

like Hodgkin's. This bacteria is also very prevalent in soil.

You as the parent must be the one to decide if you want the vaccine. As

I've said I've had some deep wounds many times. Mymother and father were

very different. If she wer earound the tinies tlittle thing would said her

running to the docotr to give us a shot. My dad onthe other had -- I got

thrown off once and my head hit a rock. I mean I was bleeding bad from my

head and had a horrible headache. there was blood all over my face (the

wound was on my forehead. My dad say's " Ah, that's nothing. " he cleans the

blood off my face with a towel, cleans the wound and tapes my forehead

together with duct tape!

No tetanus shot. No doctor. No stitches. I have no scar. I do think Dad

could have saved the Titanic with duct tape.

I am just not one who has ever gone out and said, " don't vaccinate. " I know

my son was damaged and many others, but it has to be a parent's decision.

You can read what the CDC has to say and then go here:

http://www.thinktwice.com/tetanus.htm

and read this, and then decide. I think it is much harder to get than the

fear mongers want us to know. Hygiene is key.

I know the last time I got one was in '92 (I got thrown again) and at the

hospital they gave it without even asking me. My arm hurt like hell for a

while. I haven't taken a vaccine since and don't plan to, but have been cut

a lot since that time.

I know If my son gets cut and we have to go to the hospital, they will push

this, so I hope it is never bad enough for us to have to go. It contains

the full complement of mercury,and I would not want him to have one. JMO.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting Haven. I REALLY appreciate it.

He got stabbed with a colored pencil. We wash and soak...triple antibiotic

salve was put on the wound and a bandaide. It wasn't terribly deep and what

concerns me is that this is my violent child...(he's an adopted kiddo who had

FAS/drug affected in utero/vax damage and severe malnutrition when we first got

him.) This kiddo was on risperdal and concerta from age 2!!!! til age 8 when he

started having tics and I pulled him off (before we knew about a lot of things.

He had been on over 2o drugs to calm him down...long story. But we are just

getting him cleaned up and I would hate to throw his quality of life that he has

now away...so am fighting everything....I checked the vax levels for tetnus and

the tetnus hots all have 25 mcg per 5 mls...........way toooo much!!! Sorry if

I am rambling...am pushing a bug and feeling like crap!! Love that coconut

milk!!

thanks

Ronni

>

> What did the child get stabbed with? A crayon? It does make a difference

> what caused the puncture wound.

>

> I raise horses. I've been around them all my life. My father raised

> horses. he ran twenty mares for twenty years. Horses live in tetanus

> filled areas out in the pastures and woods. My father NEVER vaccinated. In

> twenty years only ONE horse caught tetanus and that was caused by the animal

> stepping on a rusty nail which got deeply embedded in the hoof and was found

> out too late to do anything about it. So though the bacteria can be found

> in the soil jsut aobut everywhere, it reallyis hard to catch. The bacteria

> need an anerobic environment to thrive. Taht means they thrive only in the

> absenceof oxygen.

>

> Bleeding is nature's way of cleaning out a wound. Bleeding also provide

> oxygenated blood throughout, thus preventing the right environment for the

> bacteria to flourish.

>

> Here, if one of my horses gets cut, I wash the wound every day and try to

> get it to bleed more if I can. by scrubbing away the outside scab, I get

> oxygen into the sound and force the wound to heal from the inside out. The

> lower the cut is to the ground the more danger there is of the bacteria

> getting into the wound, so the more vigilant I am. I also use peroxide to

> oxygenate the wound, as well.

>

> I apply the same principle to myself. working on a farm I get cut all the

> time. I get splinters all the time. I wash and scrub as quickly as I

> notice the wound. I get the splinter out as soon as I notice. I scrub it

> every day and try to get it to bleed more and heal from the inside out. I

> use peroxide. I often use an iodine scrub. Iodine is great for killing

> bacteria, and most bodies need more iodine. the body will absorb the extra

> iodine it needs into the body for use.

>

> Once in a while if a horse is cut seriously enough, I give a tetanus

> anti-toxin, but to be honest, I don't think there is enough evidence to

> prove the shot is very effective. I think the most improtant way to avoid

> tetanus is to not ignore a wound and to practice good wound hygiene quickly.

>

> My husband ignored a wound on his finger once and worked in the garden. He

> then got VERY sick, and he had the same symptoms one of my dear friends had

> when she was diagnosed with Hodgkin's. Well, he was very sick,and then he

> shows me this infected finger! I was upset he had not taken care of it and

> allowed it to get infected. He did not get tetanus and did not take a shot,

> but he was diagnosed with " Cat Scratch Fever, " whose symptom are very much

> like Hodgkin's. This bacteria is also very prevalent in soil.

>

> You as the parent must be the one to decide if you want the vaccine. As

> I've said I've had some deep wounds many times. Mymother and father were

> very different. If she wer earound the tinies tlittle thing would said her

> running to the docotr to give us a shot. My dad onthe other had -- I got

> thrown off once and my head hit a rock. I mean I was bleeding bad from my

> head and had a horrible headache. there was blood all over my face (the

> wound was on my forehead. My dad say's " Ah, that's nothing. " he cleans the

> blood off my face with a towel, cleans the wound and tapes my forehead

> together with duct tape!

> No tetanus shot. No doctor. No stitches. I have no scar. I do think Dad

> could have saved the Titanic with duct tape.

>

> I am just not one who has ever gone out and said, " don't vaccinate. " I know

> my son was damaged and many others, but it has to be a parent's decision.

> You can read what the CDC has to say and then go here:

>

> http://www.thinktwice.com/tetanus.htm

>

> and read this, and then decide. I think it is much harder to get than the

> fear mongers want us to know. Hygiene is key.

>

> I know the last time I got one was in '92 (I got thrown again) and at the

> hospital they gave it without even asking me. My arm hurt like hell for a

> while. I haven't taken a vaccine since and don't plan to, but have been cut

> a lot since that time.

>

> I know If my son gets cut and we have to go to the hospital, they will push

> this, so I hope it is never bad enough for us to have to go. It contains

> the full complement of mercury,and I would not want him to have one. JMO.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi ronnie,

my daughter had terrible facial injury after accident needed plastic surgery

and 60 stiches,my gut told me not to give tetanus shot,we gave ledum

homeopathic remedy 200c 4 times daily for 5 days,we got lots of hassle from

docs as you can imagine,but she was fine one lovely consultant said he has

never seen a case of tetanus in his career

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:50 AM, ronnimike <HISSPECIALTOUCH@...> wrote:

>

>

> My boys were coloring while I was sick and one of the stabbed the other

> in the arm.

>

> There wasn't much blood...and I don't want a tetnus shot if I can help

> it...but I don't want my son to get tetnus.

>

> I understand that if a wound bleeds well it isn't neccesary...but how much

> is that...this didn't bleed much and now I am bothered by what I

> should do.

>

> Can someone weigh in on this for me....It bled very little...even after I

> was woke up and I squeezed it. I am frantic. We just finished a round of

> chelation and their older siblings were watching...so I didn't see first

> hand...am going on what my older kids said.

>

> Thanks

> Ronni

>

>

>

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Cotter

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087 2637921

[Guest guest]

I have also heard a lot about Ledum being good.

You can also soak it in an Epsom salt soak in a bowl. If my horses get cuts

near the ground I soak it in epsom salt and iodine. Wash and see if you can

get it to bleed more. I would not cover it with a Band-Aid unless the child

is going to be in the dirt. Let oxygen get to it. covering it up can

produce an anaerobic environment.

Is this child on good supplementation? The basic antioxidants and B

vitamins? Sugar is his enemy. Are you doing any AC chelation.

Food was the impetus for my son's violent behaviors. Triggers may be

different from child to child. My sons were gluten, casein, and soy. If he

gets these proteins he becomes " Mr. Hyde. " the last time he had an

infraction two years ago, he wound up with his hands around my throat.

Before changing his diet, we often had rounds of him trying to hit, kick,

and bite me. Since putting him on the diet, he has been very well behaved.

We also cut out sugar.

As far as the tetanus shot goes, it's your call. If it were my child I

would be paying close attention to wound hygiene and stay away from the

mercury. This child definitely needs NO mercury, but no one can make this

decision for you.

[Guest guest]

I think I know 100 adults or more who have pencil lead imbedded in their arm

from a childhood stabbing... none developed tetanus although I don't know their

vaccination status!

I think he will be fine with what you have done already for the wound. I'll bet

there are tons of small injuries that break the skin you don't even notice.

Just pay attention to it and make sure it looks good for the next few weeks

until you are in the clear.

Pam (whose son had a pretty nasty foot puncture last summer on a bolt lying in

the driveway. I did nothing more than you did and he is fine)

> >

> > What did the child get stabbed with? A crayon? It does make a difference

> > what caused the puncture wound.

> >

> > I raise horses. I've been around them all my life. My father raised

> > horses. he ran twenty mares for twenty years. Horses live in tetanus

> > filled areas out in the pastures and woods. My father NEVER vaccinated. In

> > twenty years only ONE horse caught tetanus and that was caused by the animal

> > stepping on a rusty nail which got deeply embedded in the hoof and was found

> > out too late to do anything about it. So though the bacteria can be found

> > in the soil jsut aobut everywhere, it reallyis hard to catch. The bacteria

> > need an anerobic environment to thrive. Taht means they thrive only in the

> > absenceof oxygen.

> >

> > Bleeding is nature's way of cleaning out a wound. Bleeding also provide

> > oxygenated blood throughout, thus preventing the right environment for the

> > bacteria to flourish.

> >

> > Here, if one of my horses gets cut, I wash the wound every day and try to

> > get it to bleed more if I can. by scrubbing away the outside scab, I get

> > oxygen into the sound and force the wound to heal from the inside out. The

> > lower the cut is to the ground the more danger there is of the bacteria

> > getting into the wound, so the more vigilant I am. I also use peroxide to

> > oxygenate the wound, as well.

> >

> > I apply the same principle to myself. working on a farm I get cut all the

> > time. I get splinters all the time. I wash and scrub as quickly as I

> > notice the wound. I get the splinter out as soon as I notice. I scrub it

> > every day and try to get it to bleed more and heal from the inside out. I

> > use peroxide. I often use an iodine scrub. Iodine is great for killing

> > bacteria, and most bodies need more iodine. the body will absorb the extra

> > iodine it needs into the body for use.

> >

> > Once in a while if a horse is cut seriously enough, I give a tetanus

> > anti-toxin, but to be honest, I don't think there is enough evidence to

> > prove the shot is very effective. I think the most improtant way to avoid

> > tetanus is to not ignore a wound and to practice good wound hygiene quickly.

> >

> > My husband ignored a wound on his finger once and worked in the garden. He

> > then got VERY sick, and he had the same symptoms one of my dear friends had

> > when she was diagnosed with Hodgkin's. Well, he was very sick,and then he

> > shows me this infected finger! I was upset he had not taken care of it and

> > allowed it to get infected. He did not get tetanus and did not take a shot,

> > but he was diagnosed with " Cat Scratch Fever, " whose symptom are very much

> > like Hodgkin's. This bacteria is also very prevalent in soil.

> >

> > You as the parent must be the one to decide if you want the vaccine. As

> > I've said I've had some deep wounds many times. Mymother and father were

> > very different. If she wer earound the tinies tlittle thing would said her

> > running to the docotr to give us a shot. My dad onthe other had -- I got

> > thrown off once and my head hit a rock. I mean I was bleeding bad from my

> > head and had a horrible headache. there was blood all over my face (the

> > wound was on my forehead. My dad say's " Ah, that's nothing. " he cleans the

> > blood off my face with a towel, cleans the wound and tapes my forehead

> > together with duct tape!

> > No tetanus shot. No doctor. No stitches. I have no scar. I do think Dad

> > could have saved the Titanic with duct tape.

> >

> > I am just not one who has ever gone out and said, " don't vaccinate. " I know

> > my son was damaged and many others, but it has to be a parent's decision.

> > You can read what the CDC has to say and then go here:

> >

> > http://www.thinktwice.com/tetanus.htm

> >

> > and read this, and then decide. I think it is much harder to get than the

> > fear mongers want us to know. Hygiene is key.

> >

> > I know the last time I got one was in '92 (I got thrown again) and at the

> > hospital they gave it without even asking me. My arm hurt like hell for a

> > while. I haven't taken a vaccine since and don't plan to, but have been cut

> > a lot since that time.

> >

> > I know If my son gets cut and we have to go to the hospital, they will push

> > this, so I hope it is never bad enough for us to have to go. It contains

> > the full complement of mercury,and I would not want him to have one. JMO.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't think you're in much danger of Tetanus with a lead pencil stab.

If anybody's kid steps on a rusty nail, note that there is a low Mercury

Tetanus called " Decavac " You have 3 days to get treated after the wound. I've

asked my ped to carry Decavac in his office, you never know what will happen.

Tetanus comes from deep puncture wounds that you could never get iodine or

anything else into.

Even in case of a rusty nail puncture, hard choice. Vaccine additives, not

great. Tetanus? Look it up, not great either.

>

> I have also heard a lot about Ledum being good.

>

> You can also soak it in an Epsom salt soak in a bowl. If my horses get cuts

> near the ground I soak it in epsom salt and iodine. Wash and see if you can

> get it to bleed more. I would not cover it with a Band-Aid unless the child

> is going to be in the dirt. Let oxygen get to it. covering it up can

> produce an anaerobic environment.

>

> Is this child on good supplementation? The basic antioxidants and B

> vitamins? Sugar is his enemy. Are you doing any AC chelation.

>

> Food was the impetus for my son's violent behaviors. Triggers may be

> different from child to child. My sons were gluten, casein, and soy. If he

> gets these proteins he becomes " Mr. Hyde. " the last time he had an

> infraction two years ago, he wound up with his hands around my throat.

> Before changing his diet, we often had rounds of him trying to hit, kick,

> and bite me. Since putting him on the diet, he has been very well behaved.

> We also cut out sugar.

>

> As far as the tetanus shot goes, it's your call. If it were my child I

> would be paying close attention to wound hygiene and stay away from the

> mercury. This child definitely needs NO mercury, but no one can make this

> decision for you.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks all for you posts. I really really appreciate it. Life has been very

difficult lately and hubby has baled out of doing anything,

so everything goes on my shoulders. I just get soooo overwhelmed and panicky.

I made my decision last night after reading what I could about tetnus and a lot

of prayer. We are going to do soaks and antibiotic salve and watch it closely.

He is on a very good supplement routine and we are on round 90 of chelation.

I am guessing that my younger son, , who stabbed with the

colored pencil, is having a variety of issues. Puberty, viruses and yeast. Makes

a nasty combo esp for an insecure kiddo. Unfortunately

their minds aren't up to speed with their bodies. Common sense and

thinking about consequences are a dream for the future.

It is ironic, that it was that got aggressive. He is usually

not a violent person...but I am wondering if it also might be a payback issue,

since he was Chris' victim in the days before chelation. Don't ya just love it

when parents drink and drug while they are pregnant. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!

Thanks again for your most helpful advice...it was most appreciated.

Ronni

>

> I have also heard a lot about Ledum being good.

>

> You can also soak it in an Epsom salt soak in a bowl. If my horses get cuts

> near the ground I soak it in epsom salt and iodine. Wash and see if you can

> get it to bleed more. I would not cover it with a Band-Aid unless the child

> is going to be in the dirt. Let oxygen get to it. covering it up can

> produce an anaerobic environment.

>

> Is this child on good supplementation? The basic antioxidants and B

> vitamins? Sugar is his enemy. Are you doing any AC chelation.

>

> Food was the impetus for my son's violent behaviors. Triggers may be

> different from child to child. My sons were gluten, casein, and soy. If he

> gets these proteins he becomes " Mr. Hyde. " the last time he had an

> infraction two years ago, he wound up with his hands around my throat.

> Before changing his diet, we often had rounds of him trying to hit, kick,

> and bite me. Since putting him on the diet, he has been very well behaved.

> We also cut out sugar.

>

> As far as the tetanus shot goes, it's your call. If it were my child I

> would be paying close attention to wound hygiene and stay away from the

> mercury. This child definitely needs NO mercury, but no one can make this

> decision for you.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, is Decavac now being used for kids under 7yrs? Do you know?

Pam

> >

> > I have also heard a lot about Ledum being good.

> >

> > You can also soak it in an Epsom salt soak in a bowl. If my horses get cuts

> > near the ground I soak it in epsom salt and iodine. Wash and see if you can

> > get it to bleed more. I would not cover it with a Band-Aid unless the child

> > is going to be in the dirt. Let oxygen get to it. covering it up can

> > produce an anaerobic environment.

> >

> > Is this child on good supplementation? The basic antioxidants and B

> > vitamins? Sugar is his enemy. Are you doing any AC chelation.

> >

> > Food was the impetus for my son's violent behaviors. Triggers may be

> > different from child to child. My sons were gluten, casein, and soy. If he

> > gets these proteins he becomes " Mr. Hyde. " the last time he had an

> > infraction two years ago, he wound up with his hands around my throat.

> > Before changing his diet, we often had rounds of him trying to hit, kick,

> > and bite me. Since putting him on the diet, he has been very well behaved.

> > We also cut out sugar.

> >

> > As far as the tetanus shot goes, it's your call. If it were my child I

> > would be paying close attention to wound hygiene and stay away from the

> > mercury. This child definitely needs NO mercury, but no one can make this

> > decision for you.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My understanding is No. Adacel (sp?) I believe is the name of the " low

mercury " vax for kids under 7.

> > >

> > > I have also heard a lot about Ledum being good.

> > >

> > > You can also soak it in an Epsom salt soak in a bowl. If my horses get

cuts

> > > near the ground I soak it in epsom salt and iodine. Wash and see if you

can

> > > get it to bleed more. I would not cover it with a Band-Aid unless the

child

> > > is going to be in the dirt. Let oxygen get to it. covering it up can

> > > produce an anaerobic environment.

> > >

> > > Is this child on good supplementation? The basic antioxidants and B

> > > vitamins? Sugar is his enemy. Are you doing any AC chelation.

> > >

> > > Food was the impetus for my son's violent behaviors. Triggers may be

> > > different from child to child. My sons were gluten, casein, and soy. If

he

> > > gets these proteins he becomes " Mr. Hyde. " the last time he had an

> > > infraction two years ago, he wound up with his hands around my throat.

> > > Before changing his diet, we often had rounds of him trying to hit, kick,

> > > and bite me. Since putting him on the diet, he has been very well

behaved.

> > > We also cut out sugar.

> > >

> > > As far as the tetanus shot goes, it's your call. If it were my child I

> > > would be paying close attention to wound hygiene and stay away from the

> > > mercury. This child definitely needs NO mercury, but no one can make this

> > > decision for you.

> > >

> > >

> > >