Re: TDaP

[Guest guest]

I know a perfectly normal child who regressed at age 12 after vaccinations,

he has recovered now thank goodness

Mandi in UK

In a message dated 17/09/2010 16:45:52 GMT Daylight Time,

AndyCutler@... writes:

but haven't heard about any risks at the 12 yr mark.

[Guest guest]

Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

_http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

(http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

AndyCutler@... writes:

> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression that

the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

[Guest guest]

> Any relevant concerns about giving the TDaP to a 12 yr old and 13 yr old

(girl/boy) who... to the naked eye... appear NT?

Yes.

>I believe the 13 yr old boy has some lingering motor planning and food

intolerance/sensory issues

some for him

>but never needed intervention (and my husband thinks I'm crazy). Their 9 yr

old brother is solidly on the spectrum.

Especially for him.

> These are my oldest 2 kids. Both missing 12 yr boosters.

Keep it that way.

>No need for varicella according to titres. Father willing to postpone

Guardasil,

Until they're 18 and can say 'no' for themselves!

>annual flu and mennigococcal vaccines indefinitely but really, really wants

TDaP (or perhaps TD if I push hard enough).

Make sure it is the pediatric one and is mercury free - read the vial and watch

them draw it into the syringe - don't take no for an answer on that.

> My daughter had negative titres to tetanus, pertussis and diptheria.

Undectable levels. Son's titres not done yet.

>

> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having to

compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression that the

TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

Really, no, nobody can know that with the industry and profession closing ranks

to hide and obscure truth.

What is more relevant is that tetanus is a legitimate worry, it isn't like

chickenpox (benign) or polio (eradicated in the western hemisphere).

> I seem to recall that this vaccine is problematic for quite a few kids who

wound up on the spectrum, but haven't heard about any risks at the 12 yr mark.

I have.

And just do NOT get Guardasil no matter what!

> So, please no lectures on the dangers of vaccines. I know all of that.

>

> Pam

>

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Andy.

Gardasil is an 'over my dead body' vaccine and I'm ready for that battle.

I *do* have to make some compromises here. I know that is hard to understand

for some or many of you. He is their Dad, he does have a say in their medical

care and it would be much, much more difficult if he was my ex vs my husband! I

feel sick about vaccinating but I have to do something or he will push for all

of them.

My spectrum son is not part of the discussion and he will not receive any

vaccines unless our situation changes drastically (major meningitis outbreak

might bring up that vaccine discussion, for example).

I did see your post on paying attention to the adult vs child vial of TDaP and I

will verify. I appreciate that heads-up because I honestly hadn't heard that

one before. My hope is my 13 yr old son will carry some immunity so I don't

have to make the decision! He had the k-garten boosters 7yrs ago.

Pam

>

> > Any relevant concerns about giving the TDaP to a 12 yr old and 13 yr old

(girl/boy) who... to the naked eye... appear NT?

>

> Yes.

>

> >I believe the 13 yr old boy has some lingering motor planning and food

intolerance/sensory issues

>

> some for him

>

> >but never needed intervention (and my husband thinks I'm crazy). Their 9 yr

old brother is solidly on the spectrum.

>

> Especially for him.

>

> > These are my oldest 2 kids. Both missing 12 yr boosters.

>

> Keep it that way.

>

> >No need for varicella according to titres. Father willing to postpone

Guardasil,

>

> Until they're 18 and can say 'no' for themselves!

>

> >annual flu and mennigococcal vaccines indefinitely but really, really wants

TDaP (or perhaps TD if I push hard enough).

>

> Make sure it is the pediatric one and is mercury free - read the vial and

watch them draw it into the syringe - don't take no for an answer on that.

>

> > My daughter had negative titres to tetanus, pertussis and diptheria.

Undectable levels. Son's titres not done yet.

> >

> > Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having to

compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression that the

TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

>

> Really, no, nobody can know that with the industry and profession closing

ranks to hide and obscure truth.

>

> What is more relevant is that tetanus is a legitimate worry, it isn't like

chickenpox (benign) or polio (eradicated in the western hemisphere).

>

> > I seem to recall that this vaccine is problematic for quite a few kids who

wound up on the spectrum, but haven't heard about any risks at the 12 yr mark.

>

> I have.

>

> And just do NOT get Guardasil no matter what!

>

> > So, please no lectures on the dangers of vaccines. I know all of that.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

[Guest guest]

From just getting a TDaP or from getting a bunch at once? This will be the only

one he gets and it might be just the tetanus/diptheria if I can swing it.

Pam

>

> I know a perfectly normal child who regressed at age 12 after vaccinations,

> he has recovered now thank goodness

>

> Mandi in UK

>

>

> In a message dated 17/09/2010 16:45:52 GMT Daylight Time,

> AndyCutler@... writes:

>

> but haven't heard about any risks at the 12 yr mark.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good luck. Must be though having a doc as a spouse. I'm lucky. Mine is a

police sergeant and deals with so much conflict at work all day that when

he comes home he doesn't want any, and usually agrees with whatever I say

Kerrie

In a message dated 9/17/2010 4:39:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

phaselow@... writes:

Yeah, it all comes down to benefit:risk. We are flip-flopped on that

argument. Many drugs we use on a daily basis without second thought probably

contain neurological damage and death in their package insert (and he knows

that)... and he thinks he has given this a lot of consideration.

I appreciate your concern.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Not sure what I am supposed to take from reading it? The ingredients? He won't

care... is my guess.

>

> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

>

>

>

> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> AndyCutler@... writes:

>

> > Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression that

> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is the stuff to read - vaccines are RUSSIAN ROULETTE at best. SIDS and

AUTISM are in the last paragraph of ADVERSE REACTIONS. DEATH IS FAIRLY ADVERSE,

as is AUTISM, and a host of others - REMEMBER - these inserts are mandated by

the FDA - not just mom and pop who are being careful.

WHERE DO THEY GET OFF STATING VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM WHEN IT IS IN WRITING

IN THE VACCINE INSERTS? SEND THIS TO EVERY MEDIA OUTLET REPEATEDLY UNTIL SOME

ONE GETS JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY AND EXPOSES THE REAL STORY!!!!

******************************************************

copied from FDA WEBSITE DTAP INSERT top of page 11

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf

Additional Adverse Reactions:

•

As with other aluminum-containing vaccines, a nodule may be palpable at the

injection sites for several weeks. Sterile abscess formation at the site of

injection has been reported.3,36

•

Rarely, an anaphylactic reaction (ie, hives, swelling of the mouth, difficulty

breathing, hypotension, or shock) has been reported after receiving preparations

containing diphtheria, tetanus, and/or pertussis antigens.3

•

Arthus-type hypersensitivity reactions, characterized by severe local reactions

(generally starting 2-8 hours after an injection), may follow receipt of tetanus

toxoid.

•

A few cases of peripheral mononeuropathy and of cranial mononeuropathy have been

reported following tetanus toxoid administration, although available evidence is

inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation.37

•

A review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found evidence for a causal

relationship between tetanus toxoid and both brachial neuritis and

Guillain-Barré syndrome.37

•

A few cases of demyelinating diseases of the CNS have been reported following

some tetanus toxoid-containing vaccines or tetanus and diphtheria

toxoid-containing vaccines, although the IOM concluded that the evidence was

inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship.37

Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include

idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis,

autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy,

somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the

seriousness or frequency of reporting

*****************************************************************

> Not sure what I am supposed to take from reading it? The ingredients? He

won't care... is my guess.

>>

> >

> > Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It lists KNOWN adverse reactions, not just possible ones. The include SIDS,

autism, neurological damage and death.

Kerrie

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:19 PM, " Pamela H " <phaselow@...> wrote:

> Not sure what I am supposed to take from reading it? The ingredients? He

won't care... is my guess.

>

>

>>

>> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

>> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

>> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

>>

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>> AndyCutler@... writes:

>>

>>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

>> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression that

>> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Vaccine inserts contain the events listed at the bottom because of their

seriousness, not because they are claiming a causal relationship (they say that

right there). That is what my husband will take away from it... he's 'science'

based. Needs double blind, placebo controlled studies.

It is what it is in my house. I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out what

he will say to me.

He knows vaccines run a risk of harm, but to him the benefits outweigh the

risks. Period. He is in the majority, sadly, plus he is an MD which puts me at

a bit of a disadvantage (he doesn't really give a lot of weight to what I

produce since it comes from fringe organizations, small studies, angry parents

and non-peer reviewed literature in his opinion.

> > >

> > > Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, it all comes down to benefit:risk. We are flip-flopped on that argument.

Many drugs we use on a daily basis without second thought probably contain

neurological damage and death in their package insert (and he knows that)... and

he thinks he has given this a lot of consideration.

I appreciate your concern.

Pam

> >>

> >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> >>

> >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

> >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression that

> >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

You asked for relevant concerns, I think that's what people are giving you. I

don't think you will find too many people on this list who will tell you that

its going to be 100% okay because a lot of have seen problems after vaccines (as

you know), even the TDaP, as you have heard.

good luck

From: Pamela H

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:31 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: TDaP

Vaccine inserts contain the events listed at the bottom because of their

seriousness, not because they are claiming a causal relationship (they say that

right there). That is what my husband will take away from it... he's 'science'

based. Needs double blind, placebo controlled studies.

It is what it is in my house. I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out what

he will say to me.

He knows vaccines run a risk of harm, but to him the benefits outweigh the

risks. Period. He is in the majority, sadly, plus he is an MD which puts me at a

bit of a disadvantage (he doesn't really give a lot of weight to what I produce

since it comes from fringe organizations, small studies, angry parents and

non-peer reviewed literature in his opinion.

> > >

> > > Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this would help your plight any but perhaps you could have him

read the Simpsonwood transcripts and the Aluminum Adjuvant Conference in Puerto

Rico and then he can see what really goes on in the development of vaccines.

It's very scientific in those transcripts but definitely reveals some

significant concerns about using vaccines including evidence as to the health

problems they cause. And those transcripts do not come from parents, or " fringe

organizations " . They come from meetings the government, CDC, vaccine

manufacturers and doctors held to discuss vaccines and the metals used in them.

So all very " qualified " people he may feel are credible.

If you need links to these email me but you can find them on the web.

Jan

> On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:19 PM, " Pamela H " <phaselow@...> wrote:

>

> > Not sure what I am supposed to take from reading it? The ingredients? He

won't care... is my guess.

> >

> >

> >>

> >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> >>

> >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

> >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression that

> >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know people are offering concerns... I'm just telling you what will be

said back to me if I take these to him.

I know all of what people are saying. I know what is printed in package

inserts. I know the ingredients. I know the adverse events list. I have all

of that. It makes no difference.

I'm just trying to find something new. I probably sound ungrateful and I

apologize. I'm just getting a bit desperate and angry at my situation.

But, they don't list Autism and SIDS as a causally related event in those

package inserts and I wanted to point that out.

Pam

> > > >

> > > > Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > > _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > > (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I appreciate it, Jan. I can dig those up, but I'll ask if I cannot.

He has said he will watch the recent Congressional Hearings (C-SPAN) but that

really didn't tackle vaccines. I am slowly making him aware of the toxic nature

of our choice in food, medicines, pesticides and such through the studies that

are trickling out in the 'acceptable' media (acceptable to him). I have several

books, DVDs and printed study.

I am going to ask him to speak to Wagnitz in Madison (we are about an

hour away) if I can reach him. My husband is also a chemist. I hope they can

connect. I am frustrated that I must listen to all the pro-vaccine arguments

yet he has not spoken to a true anti-vaccine person who holds some clout.

Coming from me, it holds very little weight.

I do have time here. My guess is I can put this off for quite a while unless

there is a disease outbreak in the near future. By 'time', I mean a few months.

He keeps saying our 2 aren't going to become Autistic if I give them the TDaP.

I say it isn't just about the Autism and all stalls.

I feel like a really, really bad mom. He feels like an irresponsible dad. How

do we reconcile this?

Pam

> > >>

> > >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> > >>

> > >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

> > >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression

that

> > >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

For the most part, that is my story. Just not for vaccines. Rats.

Pam (I was a police officer!)

>

> Good luck. Must be though having a doc as a spouse. I'm lucky. Mine is a

> police sergeant and deals with so much conflict at work all day that when

> he comes home he doesn't want any, and usually agrees with whatever I say

>

> Kerrie

>

>

> In a message dated 9/17/2010 4:39:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> phaselow@... writes:

>

> Yeah, it all comes down to benefit:risk. We are flip-flopped on that

> argument. Many drugs we use on a daily basis without second thought probably

> contain neurological damage and death in their package insert (and he knows

> that)... and he thinks he has given this a lot of consideration.

>

> I appreciate your concern.

>

> Pam

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't remember where I got this, but it talks about the healthy unvaccinated

compared to the vaccinated ones.

http://www.imcv.info/vaccination/articles/the-marvellous-health-of-unvaccinated-\

children.html

nancy j

a child is diagnosed with

asd every 20 seconds

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: TDaP

Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:31 PM

 

Vaccine inserts contain the events listed at the bottom because of their

seriousness, not because they are claiming a causal relationship (they say that

right there). That is what my husband will take away from it... he's 'science'

based. Needs double blind, placebo controlled studies.

It is what it is in my house. I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out what

he will say to me.

He knows vaccines run a risk of harm, but to him the benefits outweigh the

risks. Period. He is in the majority, sadly, plus he is an MD which puts me at

a bit of a disadvantage (he doesn't really give a lot of weight to what I

produce since it comes from fringe organizations, small studies, angry parents

and non-peer reviewed literature in his opinion.

> > >

> > > Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

I feel for you. My husband is a biochemist and we have the same conflict. The

only reason my son didnt get the second MMR and Varicella was the immunology

report showing he didnt need them.

He's on board with chelating AC protocol, the supplements, everything else, but

he feels some vaccines are necessary (TDaP, PPSV and Hep . We're agreed on no

HPV, flu shots or flu mist. He's willing to look into homeopathy, but he's a

science guy, so Im not too optimistic.

Karla

> > > >>

> > > >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about

having

> > > >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression

that

> > > >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

[Guest guest]

http://www.lifehealthchoices.com/the-center/health-options/homeoprophylaxis

effectiveness of homeopathy is also included and guess there is no risk as no

live viruses enter body.I chose this route for my second child

From: wiersmak <wiersmak@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: TDaP

Received: Friday, September 17, 2010, 9:04 PM

 

I feel for you. My husband is a biochemist and we have the same conflict.

The only reason my son didnt get the second MMR and Varicella was the immunology

report showing he didnt need them.

He's on board with chelating AC protocol, the supplements, everything else, but

he feels some vaccines are necessary (TDaP, PPSV and Hep . We're agreed on no

HPV, flu shots or flu mist. He's willing to look into homeopathy, but he's a

science guy, so Im not too optimistic.

Karla

> > > >>

> > > >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about

having

> > > >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression

that

> > > >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

[Guest guest]

This vaccine only works against viruses of certain strands. I don't know the

exact number. It could be less than 20%.

> > > >>

> > > >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about

having

> > > >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression

that

> > > >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

[Guest guest]

There are studies out there to back up the efficacy of homeopathy compared to

placebo, so that is on your " side " .

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > > > >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > > > >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > > >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about

having

> > > > >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the

impression that

> > > > >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela H

Yeah, it all comes down to benefit:risk.

====>If she has no titers to the first FIVE TDaP vaccines, then she got all

the risk and NONE of the benefits. What will make this vaccine have any

different outcome?

Pam

> >>

> >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> >>

> >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

> >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression

that

> >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Any thoughts on how I can bring that argument to my husband, ?

Pam

> > >>

> > >> Has he read the insert? Tell him to read the top half of page 11

> > >> _http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf_

> > >> (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf)

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:45:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > >> AndyCutler@ writes:

> > >>

> > >>> Thanks. I know the run-down on vaccines and I'm not happy about having

> > >> to compromise here, but my husband (physician) is under the impression

that

> > >> the TDaP is one of the 'lesser evils' out there.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

Just my 2 cents here: I believe the DTaP played a huge roll in my son's

regression. I ran into other mothers with sons my son's age and we compared

notes. Our sons' received the same lot # of DTaP and two moms had taken

their sons to the same pediatric clinic that we went to! All of our kids

were abandoned by this pediatric clinic once they regressed. It is mind

boggling how when faced with truth, they just chose to make it go away. I

used to think that " First, do no harm " meant something. Their oath isn't

worth the paper it is printed on. --a " sorry " to those of you married to

doctors.

A lot of people dislike doctors. I try to avoid them like the plague. I

have been lucky to find some really good ones who know how to admit when

they don't know. I do have a lot of respect for emergency trauma medicine

and surgeons, though. Love that surgery is growing less and less invasive,

however the gas they pump into people to do laproscopic surgery has its

drawbacks, too. but as with everything, one must weigh the risks versus the

benefits.

I nearly died after receiving the flu shot in 1987. In the emergency room,

they led my friends and I to believe it was a fluke " Oh, you must have been

coming down with the flu before you got the shot. " (I hadn't had the flu

since I was a little child [about twenty years]), and what I suffered was

worse than ANY illness I had experienced in my life. I turned completely

jaundice. I remember hearing the ER doc ask, " Is she normally this

yellow? " I now wonder how this incident may have contributed to my son's

reaction years later. At least, it should have been a huge red flags to

doctors in favor of postponing vaccination in my son. But of course, the

first thing they wanted to do after he was born was jab me with another MMR

because I don't hold titres to rubella (never have and never will,

probably) This should be another red flag to forgo or at least postpone

vaccination in the children of mothers who do not hold titers. I did refuse

the postpartum MMR, thank GOD, and the doctor was really angry with me. I

just wish I'd known to be that adamant. The other weird thing is that when

I went to get his records later, They swear he didn't get Hep B in the

hospital after birth. This was 1999. I think they removed it from his

record for fear of litigation. My niece gave birth only five years ago, and

when she tried to tell them no Hep B, the nurse said, " It's the law! " What

a load of ca-ca. My niece caved.

This incident caused me to question vaccination for my son, ask about

synergy and the safety of multiple vaccines, and demand thimerosal free

vaccines for my child, and the pediatrician lied and jabbed him anyway. He

got 67.5 mcg of mercury that day, and he weighed about 24 pounds! I beleive

the shot you mentioned, I think the TDaP still contains mercury and does

contain aluminum.

If one is forced to compromise, and the consequences are grave, will you be

able to forgive and accept the outcome? I believe it was Dr. Kartzinel's

wife who handed their child to him and said, " You broke him; now you fix

him. " Are any of the doctor husbands out there going to be prepared to do

this?

The dilemma is preserving the family unit and the marriage, so the above

question is relevant. The next question to the wife of a doctor husband who

insists on vaccination is whether the wife will be able to forgive her

husband if the vaccination results in biomedical and neurological damage

that may take a lifetime to repair. Will you be able to do this?

I ask the hard questions.

[Guest guest]

More bang for the buck: I think tetanus is harder to get than we are led to

believe in this country due to sanitation practices. My father raised

horses for more than twenty years. He ran twenty-two mares at any given

time -most having foals yearly. He never vaccinated. In all those years,

only one horse came down with cancer and only one horse has to be euthanized

due to tetanus, and my gosh, they got cut all the time here and there. I

have worked with horses all my life, and what I see is sicker horses. I

lost a horse after vaccination with the West Nile vaccine. She lost every

speck of muscle mass along her spine and lost neurological function, and the

vet was " stumped. " Of course he also failed to report the reaction to Fort

Dodge. My neighbor also lost her horse the same year after giving this

vaccine. My horses that survived the shot had COPD for months and couldn't

work.

One of my horses got a deep gash on his shoulder and the vet came out, gave

tetanus, sowed him up. Several months later, the horse gashed his shoulder

again four inches below the first place. There was no vet available. I

washed the wound daily, allowing it to bleed and heal from the inside out.

The gash healed and the horse had less of a scar than when he was sutured.

I know this is not always possible, it depends on whether it just involves

muscle or if vascular areas are compromised, but not every cut needs a

suture nor a tetanus. I was given a tetanus in 1992 after a freak riding

accident. No one gave me a choice, but then it was due to all the mouth

tissue below my lower mouth tissue breaking away from my jaw (probably saved

me from a broken jaw) and I had a huge hole in my mouth all the way down to

the jawbone. The space was corrupted with debris, which no doubt included

soil contaminated with tetanus bacteria, and I did need nerves sewn back in

and the tissue inside my mouth reconstructed. I can see why I was given a

tetanus in this case, but to just give a vaccine for no reason than this is

what one has been " taught " to accept.

If I had taught my son from day one that a pencil was a dollar bill, what

would he believe? Question everything. It will be nice one day when young

doctors finally stand up in class and say, " Wait a minute here. Can I see

these studies? Who funded them? Who performed them? " Rather than just

believing what they are told to believe. That will be a great day for

medicine.

I have not had another vaccine since 1992. I get cut all the time working

on a horse farm. I immediately washed the wound and disinfect it and keep

it clean and allow it to get air and heal from the inside out. Each person

and each parent must make their own decision. The individual is the one who

must live with the consequences either way.