SAFER VACCINE SCHEDULE

[Guest guest]

I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer vaccine

schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

[Guest guest]

Personally, if there were to be a 'safer' vaccine schedule, the first shot would

be given after the age of 2. At the minimum, no more than 1 shot at a time,

separated by several months of time.

Of course a pediatrician will say that swelling is normal because that is what

they have been told. To me? That is an indicator of a potential problem. None

of my kids ever had that red, hot spot, though.

If mom/dad are still set on vaccinating, I'd at least start picking and choosing

the more important infant vaccines and leave the not-so-critical ones behind

(like, HepB if she has no risk factors, etc).

Pam

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> I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

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http://www.rimlandcenter.com/docs/ImmunizationSchedule.pdf

Wow. Is this the alternative schedule? It doesn't seem that cautious. I'm

shocked. 12 vaccines prior to the age of 1 yr AND recommending the flu shot

(bought in to the H1N1 scare, I see).

Nothing at birth or for the first 2 months is better than nothing at all if

someone is going to vaccinate, but I question if this will matter much to a baby

more genetically susceptible to vaccine injury.

Pam

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> > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

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I AGREE.........nothing till 2 yrs of age.Any reaction means stop vaccinating

further.Thats what Dan's believe in

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: SAFER VACCINE SCHEDULE

Received: Friday, September 24, 2010, 1:22 PM

 

Personally, if there were to be a 'safer' vaccine schedule, the first shot

would be given after the age of 2. At the minimum, no more than 1 shot at a

time, separated by several months of time.

Of course a pediatrician will say that swelling is normal because that is what

they have been told. To me? That is an indicator of a potential problem. None

of my kids ever had that red, hot spot, though.

If mom/dad are still set on vaccinating, I'd at least start picking and choosing

the more important infant vaccines and leave the not-so-critical ones behind

(like, HepB if she has no risk factors, etc).

Pam

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> I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

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I strongly agree with pam. My first child (3y.o.) Whom never has had a

diagnosis was on his way to become autistic. We were doing what we thought was

" safe " . My second child(1y.o.) Has been " normal " so far. One vaccine at a time.

I've only don't one per check up. I am not in a rush to go once a month to

catch him up. I was told by the chiropractor whom is assisting us in the

recovery of my eldest. Giving the child vitamin A & C through out the day

before, of and after the vaccine. It helps the body with the reaction to the

vaccine. As we all know there no real safe way about any of this unless you

don't vaccinate. But if you decide to vaccinate, there are " smarter " ways to go

about it.

My eldest we do not vaccinate anymore. Maybe in the future but I can't speak

for the future. Once my youngest has enough hair to do a test on we plan to.

With saying all this. You have to assume that your child is a loaded gun at all

times. There is no telling when their system will crash from the toxins that

have been put in their bodies(vaccines or environmental toxins of any kind).

To me the reactions are a warning of some kind that her body isn't mature enough

to handle it.

Sonya

[ ] Re: SAFER VACCINE SCHEDULE

Personally, if there were to be a 'safer' vaccine schedule, the first shot would

be given after the age of 2. At the minimum, no more than 1 shot at a time,

separated by several months of time.

Of course a pediatrician will say that swelling is normal because that is what

they have been told. To me? That is an indicator of a potential problem. None

of my kids ever had that red, hot spot, though.

If mom/dad are still set on vaccinating, I'd at least start picking and choosing

the more important infant vaccines and leave the not-so-critical ones behind

(like, HepB if she has no risk factors, etc).

Pam

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> I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

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to be honest with all of you my autistic son never ever has any bad reaction

from vacsins wich i think is worst as the problem remain hidden and just slapp

you one day for 6 weeks i had one boy wich was 3.6yold acting just like new born

i just didn know what to do there was signs befor te regression but do i expect

my son to becom autistic to wach no .

Ralitsa

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: SAFER VACCINE SCHEDULE

Received: Friday, September 24, 2010, 1:22 PM

 

Personally, if there were to be a 'safer' vaccine schedule, the first shot would

be given after the age of 2. At the minimum, no more than 1 shot at a time,

separated by several months of time.

Of course a pediatrician will say that swelling is normal because that is what

they have been told. To me? That is an indicator of a potential problem. None of

my kids ever had that red, hot spot, though.

If mom/dad are still set on vaccinating, I'd at least start picking and choosing

the more important infant vaccines and leave the not-so-critical ones behind

(like, HepB if she has no risk factors, etc).

Pam

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> I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines. Pediatrician

says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really " normal " ? Not

everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter is showing slight

vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't vaccinate my kids

anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is there a safer safe

vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a safe vaccine on the

market.

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[Guest guest]

Ralitsa,

We are in the same situation. The reactions were not immediate; at least not

from what I remember. The loss of skills (like losing the ability to roll from

his back to his belly) came a few weeks after the injections.

What makes me most angry is that the pediatrician knew of these neurological

changes and had ZERO concern. Looking back, what child is developing normally

when, at 5 months, they stop rolling and get stuck like a turtle? It wasn't

that he didn't roll, it was that he couldn't. He would try and try and try.

Pam

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> > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines. Pediatrician

says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really " normal " ? Not

everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter is showing slight

vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't vaccinate my kids

anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is there a safer safe

vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a safe vaccine on the

market.

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[Guest guest]

Hello Pam in my case i was very very upset as my son regress realy bad and

obvious when 3.6 so we saw the bad picture very clear untill that age we were

thinking that there is something wich keeps him back but this was arround 3y of

age till that time i tell him go get your clothes changed and we go for wallk hi

goes and do all on his oun and many more hi was imitating us laughing with us

and im very angry a i brought him to be observed from GP she sad hi is fine i

start walking when i was 1.5y nothing wrong with him she asked him to through

out rubbish and hi did .Im angry as if all was show up earlier i will get

everything earlier and naw im steel in mess as i dont know what to do with his

school im not happy im not confident in my self as im not shure and i m working

ful time to provide and i think im going to loose th battle as hi is already

5.9yold i dont have much time.

I hate them as they make my kid spessial need kid but i dont have pouer to do

anything about it i just dont vacsinate my secon son .

Thank you all for reading im littel bit sad

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: SAFER VACCINE SCHEDULE

Date: Saturday, 25 September, 2010, 12:43

 

Ralitsa,

We are in the same situation. The reactions were not immediate; at least not

from what I remember. The loss of skills (like losing the ability to roll from

his back to his belly) came a few weeks after the injections.

What makes me most angry is that the pediatrician knew of these neurological

changes and had ZERO concern. Looking back, what child is developing normally

when, at 5 months, they stop rolling and get stuck like a turtle? It wasn't that

he didn't roll, it was that he couldn't. He would try and try and try.

Pam

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> > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines. Pediatrician

says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really " normal " ? Not

everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter is showing slight

vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't vaccinate my kids

anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is there a safer safe

vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a safe vaccine on the

market.

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[Guest guest]

We all get sad. The trick is to turn the anger and sadness in to a motivator to

heal. My energy comes and goes. Comes and goes.

Take care, and hang in there. You do have the power to make your child's life

better.

Pam

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> > > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines. Pediatrician

says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really " normal " ? Not

everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter is showing slight

vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't vaccinate my kids

anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is there a safer safe

vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a safe vaccine on the

market.

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[Guest guest]

My pdd son always had hot red spots after vaccs. He also cried alot. for hours

and hours. I was assured this was " not uncommon " . 8 years later, I've come to

realize that just because it's not uncommon, doesn't mean it's safe. Diabetes

is not uncommon, either. That doesn't make it ok. Along came my younger son

who's reactions were considerable worse. Not only did the injection site become

hot and red, they also became very hard and swollen. (I wonder if he's an

undermethylator?) The last vacc he ever had (varicella) caused his arm to swell

bigger than his leg.(literally). That's when I decided enough was enough. As a

toddler, he was speech delayed(barely spoke until after his 4th birthday) and

still struggles with sensory issues but he seems to have pulled through by the

grace of God. If only I could go back in time....

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> > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

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I can totally relate on the red raised hot spots. My son had one of these hard,

red, raised lumps after his MMR. My babysitter told me to report it to the

doctor, but he'd been to the doctor so many times recently already that I just

told her I wasn't going to go there for them to tell me it was normal and " just

give him some motrin " . His is not reported. Many kids with the same lot number

had the same reaction. We'll never know what was in it...some crap my son might

take years to detox, maybe not in his whole life.

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> > > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

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I don't want to scare my sister to death, but I agree with Liz and t.lynn that

the reaction her daughter had, no matter how common, isn't a good sign. I think

no one really thinks autism is going to happen to their kid until it does.

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> > > > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified safer

vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby daughter. Her

daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some vaccines.

Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it really

" normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her daughter

is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule? I don't

vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far. Is

there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing as a

safe vaccine on the market.

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I think if any one of us could go back in time and know what we know now, we

wouldn't vaccinate our kids in the absence of a clear and present danger. I

know I'd be hoping that he would never need one. I've pulled him through

EIGHT bouts of pneumonia, too may bouts of severe bronchitis, and way too

many asthma attacks ---all thanks to vaccines. I know I sat by my sister's

bedside when she got the mumps twice (first on one side, then later on the

other). I sat and read to my brother when he had the measles (and no I

never caught either from them). I never caught the chicken pox. all I ever

got was the roseola. Chances are I developed titers but never manifested the

viruses.

I'd have rather nursed him through the childhood diseases than what I have

had to nurse him through thanks to vaccines. I hope I never have to

vaccinate him again.

Any reaction to a vaccine does not bode well for the recipient in my

opinion.

[Guest guest]

I have spent several hours on the CDC website looking at the vaccine schedule

and the " catch up " schedule. The " catch up " schedule is the one that doctors

use if they have a child that did not get them on the " regular " schedule. SO,

if you look you will see that some vaccines are only recommended for certain

time periods like the HIB shots are recommended till 2 yrs. So, if you can live

for that long holding your breath then you can get away without giving

those. Now, they have changed it to 5 yrs old and then it isn't recommended

anymore. And if you get the 4th Dtap shot after the age of 4 then you can

forego the 5th one. So, things like that can cut down on the shots that you are

required to have for school or that are " needed " . And, for sure never give when

sick or runny nose. My NT dd only got them once a year or so and that was after

she was 2. My husband thinks they should have the flu shot which unfortunately

I did give in to for a few years but not anymore.

HTH,

S

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> > > > > I have a son on the spectrum so my sister is following a modified

safer vaccine schedule, recommended by the Rimland Center, for her baby

daughter. Her daughter is experiencing red hot swollen spots after some

vaccines. Pediatrician says it is normal, but even though it is common, is it

really " normal " ? Not everyone has that reaction? What should she do if her

daughter is showing slight vaccine reactions even on the safe vaccine schedule?

I don't vaccinate my kids anymore at all, but she is not willing to go that far.

Is there a safer safe vaccine schedule? I think there really is no such thing

as a safe vaccine on the market.

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