Re: link of strep and probiotic

[Guest guest]

It is a beneficial strep strain (you'll find in all yogurts), but kids with

PANDAS can have bad reactions to it. If PANDAS is an issue, Id look for another

probiotic without it. Klaires ahs some strep free ones as does Custom

probiotics.

Karla

>

> Hi,

>

> I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood and

urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep. The ped.

suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my own and just

realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months ago) that he gets

from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in it. I called Kirkman and

they said this is the good strain not the one that causes strep throat. What do

you guys think? Shall I stop giving him this probiotic? I am planning to call

Monday the doctor and see if she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted

to know if anyone in this group has had the same experience and what did they do

about it.

>

> Thank you!

> Mimoza

>

[Guest guest]

dr usman recommended to us that I not give my son any probiotics with the strep

strain in them... I think what is ok for most individuals doesnt seem to be ok

for many of our kids. I would ask kirmans for tests that prove that this strain

they have is ok for our children.... my son reacts to all yogurts, soy, coconut

etc, they all have this strain of strep in them also...

>

> Hi,

>

> I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood and

urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep. The ped.

suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my own and just

realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months ago) that he gets

from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in it. I called Kirkman and

they said this is the good strain not the one that causes strep throat. What do

you guys think? Shall I stop giving him this probiotic? I am planning to call

Monday the doctor and see if she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted

to know if anyone in this group has had the same experience and what did they do

about it.

>

> Thank you!

> Mimoza

>

[Guest guest]

Streptococus thermophilus is like the plague for my son. If your child

has immune issues the body may not be able to differentiate between " good

strep " and " bad strep. My son seriously regresses when exposed to

Streptococus thermophilus.

Kerrie

In a message dated 5/21/2010 5:13:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

wiersmak@... writes:

> I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood

and urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep. The

ped. suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my own and

just realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months ago) that

he gets from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in it. I called

Kirkman and they said this is the good strain not the one that causes strep

throat. What do you guys think? Shall I stop giving him this probiotic? I

am planning to call Monday the doctor and see if she can confirm what

Kirkman told me. But I wanted to know if anyone in this group has had the same

experience and what did they do about it.

>

> Thank you!

> Mimoza

[Guest guest]

Strep Thermophilus is supposed to be the good strep that protects from

throat infections and dental decay - so it's good for a lot of people.

But I think some people have an issue with any type of Strep - it's a

bit individual - probably OCD type symptoms as seen for people with

PANDAS would be a clue to be avoiding all Strep.

Have you seen a difference in any symptoms connected to giving the

Probiotic?

Was the Strep in the blood or in the urine?

Gail

>

> Hi,

>

> I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood

and urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep.

The ped. suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my

own and just realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months

ago) that he gets from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in

it. I called Kirkman and they said this is the good strain not the one

that causes strep throat. What do you guys think? Shall I stop giving

him this probiotic? I am planning to call Monday the doctor and see if

she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted to know if anyone in

this group has had the same experience and what did they do about it.

>

> Thank you!

> Mimoza

>

[Guest guest]

Good afternoon, all,

My son was taking VSL #3 that has the strep strain. We have been doing blood

work for the last year and a half. We never had an issue with Strep until this

last test. I checked the last blood test (Sept 2009) prior to this one and

again no issue with strep. However, we started VSL #3 after this the Sept 2009.

I do know that VSL #3 has brought my son's beneficial flora to 4+ per our Stool

Test in Feb/March 2010.

Here is the issue. On that same Stool Test, we saw the Strep B be at a 3+.

When our blood work from April 2010 came back, the ASO and DNASE B antibodies

were elevated to reflect " PANDAS " elevations. Two doctors who reviewed the

tests stated PANDAS.

All I know is that I am stopping VSL #3 and switching to Klaire Labs Detox

Probiotic without the Strep strain just to be safe.

We are doing Olive Leaf Extract and homeopathy to address the Strep B. I have a

script for antibiotic if I need to go that route.

Hope this helps,

Jerry

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood

> and urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep.

> The ped. suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my

> own and just realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months

> ago) that he gets from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in

> it. I called Kirkman and they said this is the good strain not the one

> that causes strep throat. What do you guys think? Shall I stop giving

> him this probiotic? I am planning to call Monday the doctor and see if

> she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted to know if anyone in

> this group has had the same experience and what did they do about it.

> >

> > Thank you!

> > Mimoza

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Gail, thank you for your post! I have not seen any OCD symptoms, except cold

sores and dry lips last week-he has herpes. He does have some tics though which

I attributed to 4 DAN chelation rounds very high doses. I am not sure if the

doctor found the strep in blood or urine, and these are questions I will ask my

doctor on Monday. Are there specific test for diagnosing PANDAS, which I am not

familiar at all, but I will start reading now?

Thank you,

Mimoza

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood

> and urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep.

> The ped. suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my

> own and just realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months

> ago) that he gets from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in

> it. I called Kirkman and they said this is the good strain not the one

> that causes strep throat. What do you guys think? Shall I stop giving

> him this probiotic? I am planning to call Monday the doctor and see if

> she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted to know if anyone in

> this group has had the same experience and what did they do about it.

> >

> > Thank you!

> > Mimoza

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jerry. This is very informative for me. Did you order the stool test

on your own? If yes, which lab and what's the name for it? Or did the doctor

order it? I just need to figure out if my son has PANDAS or not? Or is the

presence of strep good enough to say he has PANDAS? Sorry for my somewhat

ignorant question.

Mimoza

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood

> > and urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep.

> > The ped. suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my

> > own and just realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months

> > ago) that he gets from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in

> > it. I called Kirkman and they said this is the good strain not the one

> > that causes strep throat. What do you guys think? Shall I stop giving

> > him this probiotic? I am planning to call Monday the doctor and see if

> > she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted to know if anyone in

> > this group has had the same experience and what did they do about it.

> > >

> > > Thank you!

> > > Mimoza

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

All I know is that I was trying to get my son on a higher number probiotic and

it had the strep strain in it (I didn't realize it until later because instead

of saying strep it abbreviated it to just an " S. " and he got diahhrea almost

immediately so I yanked him off of it. He normally never gets diarrhea.

>

> Hi,

>

> I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood and

urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep. The ped.

suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my own and just

realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months ago) that he gets

from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in it. I called Kirkman and

they said this is the good strain not the one that causes strep throat. What do

you guys think? Shall I stop giving him this probiotic? I am planning to call

Monday the doctor and see if she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted

to know if anyone in this group has had the same experience and what did they do

about it.

>

> Thank you!

> Mimoza

>

[Guest guest]

Good evening,

My doctor ordered per my request. The stool test is usually referred

Comprehensive Stool Analysis. The test was from Doctor's Data. I believe

Genova Diagnostics has one. Great Plains Lab has a stool test also. But Great

Plains, I think send it to Doctor's Data. (The reason I say this is because I

did a Great Plains stool test and the result looked just like Doctor's Data

format and, from memory, I think I saw Doctor's Data on the result).

I don't know if a single test for PANDAS. I do know that the ASO and DNASE B

antibody from blood test are a good indicator of strep and possibly PANDAS. We

did our ASO and DNASE B testing via Quest Diagnostics.

I did an immune panel and a NK cell activity test. I am going to see Dr.

to see if with all these tests my son has PANDAS or just strep B. I am

seeing Dr. to get a protocol perspective.

I don't know if you can state that the presence of Strep equals PANDAS. I do

know that my son had Strep A but his ASO and DNASE B antibody were not elevated.

Now, my son has Strep B and his ASO and DNASE B are elevated.

I wish I knew the definitive answer. I think elevated ASO and DNASE B places

you in a greater disposition of having PANDAS.

Jerry

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I am in round 7 of AC chelation(DMSA+ALA) and this week did some blood

> > > and urine test for my son. All came normal except the presence of strep.

> > > The ped. suggested antibiotics for 10 days. I did some research on my

> > > own and just realized that the Multi-flora probiotics ( started 2 months

> > > ago) that he gets from Kirkman has Streptococus thermophilus strain in

> > > it. I called Kirkman and they said this is the good strain not the one

> > > that causes strep throat. What do you guys think? Shall I stop giving

> > > him this probiotic? I am planning to call Monday the doctor and see if

> > > she can confirm what Kirkman told me. But I wanted to know if anyone in

> > > this group has had the same experience and what did they do about it.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you!

> > > > Mimoza

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

One of my sons has the same issue with strep. He has at different times tested

with abnormally high ASO or DNase B antibodies. For him, symptoms include a

finger-rubbing tic, agitation and OCD traits like wanting everything to be

immaculate. Staying away from S. Thermophilus in probiotics is a must for us.

The other things we have done:

Zithromax (1 course followed by weekly doses for 4 weeks) - not effective

long-term

Homeopathic strep in high potency (once) - helped for awhile

Lumbrokinase+OLE or Enzymatic Therapy Phyto-Biotic 1/2 hour later (occasionally)

- helps manage symptoms which leads me to believe the strep bacteria is in gut

biofilm. I try to do this more during chelation rounds.

Skipping daily calcium supplement - biofilm uses calcium and magnesium and iron

for structural integrity. He needs the magnesium so we use magnesium malate

(may have some benefit for aluminum removal) and Epsom salt baths. But he has

lots of green leafy vegetables and calcium only after DMSA rounds

IP6/Inositol (when symptoms flare) - to increase NK cells and immunity

Zinc monomethionine (1-2x a day) - also for immunity

Getting metals out will hopefully get his immune system working better.

Jo