Re: Symptoms of iron poisoning?

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I never quite completed my thought. I am wondering if taking so much

iron for so many years made me high iron and if my symptoms this week are due to

me dumping iron. That's what I was trying to say.

I know: I'm barely coherent.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

>

> I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as to

what are symptoms of that?

>

>

> I am asking because I am having a really dreadful week. I left work after

only half a day twice this week so far and I'm really struggling and quite

baffled. I have my period and I am bleeding heavily. For years, I took high

doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg syndrome. I always took the b

first, aware that you can end up poisoned by minerals. So I tried to play it

conservatively. I am 45 and didn't get regular (monthly) periods until I was 40.

I didn't realize how severely anemic I was my whole life until I began having

regular periods and stopped being so badly symptomatic for anemia all the time.

In recent months, I no longer take iron supplements. I went through a few weeks

where I was cooking spinach regularly instead of taking iron supplements but I

am not even craving foods like that right now. Yet someone at work noted that I

was very pale today and I have no energy, which are indicators of anemia. I am

wondering if this is kind of the way die-off causes one to become temporarily

more symptomatic -- have worse warts and stuff.

>

> I am wondering if the high need for iron was not that I wasn't getting enough

but that my body wasn't doing the right things with it and it ended up being an

excess that wasn't really used -- the way a desert can flood with not terribly

much rain because the ground will just not absorb it (if that makes sense -- it

made sense to my son).

>

> Anyway, it's been a while since I was unable to figure out the cause of some

crisis and this is pretty bad. So looking for ideas/feedback.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.com

> http://www.kidslikemine.com

> http://www.solanorail.com

>

[Guest guest]

You might not be absorbing Vit. K which helps with clotting. My wife had a

problem with that (and was severely anemic as well) when improperly absorbing

nutrients due to an undiagnosed case of celiac disease. Going on a GF diet and

supplementing with Vit. K seemed to help her with that.

Something to think about and give a try, not really knowing the particulars of

your situation.

Mike Glavic

> >

> > I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as to

what are symptoms of that?

> >

> >

> > I am asking because I am having a really dreadful week. I left work after

only half a day twice this week so far and I'm really struggling and quite

baffled. I have my period and I am bleeding heavily. For years, I took high

doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg syndrome. I always took the b

first, aware that you can end up poisoned by minerals. So I tried to play it

conservatively. I am 45 and didn't get regular (monthly) periods until I was 40.

I didn't realize how severely anemic I was my whole life until I began having

regular periods and stopped being so badly symptomatic for anemia all the time.

In recent months, I no longer take iron supplements. I went through a few weeks

where I was cooking spinach regularly instead of taking iron supplements but I

am not even craving foods like that right now. Yet someone at work noted that I

was very pale today and I have no energy, which are indicators of anemia. I am

wondering if this is kind of the way die-off causes one to become temporarily

more symptomatic -- have worse warts and stuff.

> >

> > I am wondering if the high need for iron was not that I wasn't getting

enough but that my body wasn't doing the right things with it and it ended up

being an excess that wasn't really used -- the way a desert can flood with not

terribly much rain because the ground will just not absorb it (if that makes

sense -- it made sense to my son).

> >

> > Anyway, it's been a while since I was unable to figure out the cause of some

crisis and this is pretty bad. So looking for ideas/feedback.

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Michele

> > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > http://www.solanorail.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have just heard that a red face (red blotchy cheeks?) can indicate high iron

or hemochromatosis. I think the iron problem is due to aluminum, there are a

lot of resources on the topic of aluminum taking the place of iron in the body

and changing cellular metabolism/processes and mineral homeostasis. I would

suggest taking a lot of magnesium chloride and epsom salt baths and avoiding

contact with aluminum. As far as I know, magnesium has to be present or the

body will keep picking up aluminum if it is available. I have followed these

instincts in treating my (previously anemic and very pale) son and they seem to

be valid.

> >

> > I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as to

what are symptoms of that?

> >

> >

> > I am asking because I am having a really dreadful week. I left work after

only half a day twice this week so far and I'm really struggling and quite

baffled. I have my period and I am bleeding heavily. For years, I took high

doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg syndrome. I always took the b

first, aware that you can end up poisoned by minerals. So I tried to play it

conservatively. I am 45 and didn't get regular (monthly) periods until I was 40.

I didn't realize how severely anemic I was my whole life until I began having

regular periods and stopped being so badly symptomatic for anemia all the time.

In recent months, I no longer take iron supplements. I went through a few weeks

where I was cooking spinach regularly instead of taking iron supplements but I

am not even craving foods like that right now. Yet someone at work noted that I

was very pale today and I have no energy, which are indicators of anemia. I am

wondering if this is kind of the way die-off causes one to become temporarily

more symptomatic -- have worse warts and stuff.

> >

> > I am wondering if the high need for iron was not that I wasn't getting

enough but that my body wasn't doing the right things with it and it ended up

being an excess that wasn't really used -- the way a desert can flood with not

terribly much rain because the ground will just not absorb it (if that makes

sense -- it made sense to my son).

> >

> > Anyway, it's been a while since I was unable to figure out the cause of some

crisis and this is pretty bad. So looking for ideas/feedback.

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Michele

> > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > http://www.solanorail.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's an angle I will have to look at. Did some googling and found that pallor

and lethargy are, ironically, symptoms of iron toxicity (ironic because they are

also symptoms of iron deficiency).

I seem to be doing a lot better this morning. Not a lot of time to write

though.

Later.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

> > >

> > > I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as to

what are symptoms of that?

> > >

> > >

> > > I am asking because I am having a really dreadful week. I left work after

only half a day twice this week so far and I'm really struggling and quite

baffled. I have my period and I am bleeding heavily. For years, I took high

doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg syndrome. I always took the b

first, aware that you can end up poisoned by minerals. So I tried to play it

conservatively. I am 45 and didn't get regular (monthly) periods until I was 40.

I didn't realize how severely anemic I was my whole life until I began having

regular periods and stopped being so badly symptomatic for anemia all the time.

In recent months, I no longer take iron supplements. I went through a few weeks

where I was cooking spinach regularly instead of taking iron supplements but I

am not even craving foods like that right now. Yet someone at work noted that I

was very pale today and I have no energy, which are indicators of anemia. I am

wondering if this is kind of the way die-off causes one to become temporarily

more symptomatic -- have worse warts and stuff.

> > >

> > > I am wondering if the high need for iron was not that I wasn't getting

enough but that my body wasn't doing the right things with it and it ended up

being an excess that wasn't really used -- the way a desert can flood with not

terribly much rain because the ground will just not absorb it (if that makes

sense -- it made sense to my son).

> > >

> > > Anyway, it's been a while since I was unable to figure out the cause of

some crisis and this is pretty bad. So looking for ideas/feedback.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > > http://www.solanorail.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the feedback. To try to give you some idea of what I am dealing

with:

I have a genetic disorder -- " atypical cystic fibrosis " -- and have been working

on correcting the problems it causes. It involves a defective channel in the

cell membrane that handles trafficking of certain molecules into and out of the

cell. This causes a bottleneck and there ends up being too much of some stuff

and too little of other stuff or it gets improperly distributed. (For example,

glutathione is typically too high inside the cell and too low on the cell

surface.)

Stuff I have read indicates that if salt concentrations or PH balance are way

out of whack inside the cell, then newly formed proteins will misfold and become

useless. Cystic fibrosis causes the body to misprocess salt and also makes one

prone to being highly acidic. I have been treating these two issues as

cornerstones of the problem. It seems to me that these two issues make the

genetic disorder worse by misfolding the protein that makes the channel,

creating a downward spiral where the lack of enough properly functioning

channels makes the cell chemistry out of whack, the out of whack cell chemistry

mangles newly forming channels and this creates a " positive feedback loop " where

they make each other worse and worse, thus you get " the normal progression of

CF " which eventually leads to death.

Anyway, I have reversed a lot of my symptoms and my body works a lot closer to

normal. As my body gets closer to normal, what I need to do for it changes.

Oh, got to go get ready for work.

Later.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

> > >

> > > I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as to

what are symptoms of that?

> > >

> > >

> > > I am asking because I am having a really dreadful week. I left work after

only half a day twice this week so far and I'm really struggling and quite

baffled. I have my period and I am bleeding heavily. For years, I took high

doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg syndrome. I always took the b

first, aware that you can end up poisoned by minerals. So I tried to play it

conservatively. I am 45 and didn't get regular (monthly) periods until I was 40.

I didn't realize how severely anemic I was my whole life until I began having

regular periods and stopped being so badly symptomatic for anemia all the time.

In recent months, I no longer take iron supplements. I went through a few weeks

where I was cooking spinach regularly instead of taking iron supplements but I

am not even craving foods like that right now. Yet someone at work noted that I

was very pale today and I have no energy, which are indicators of anemia. I am

wondering if this is kind of the way die-off causes one to become temporarily

more symptomatic -- have worse warts and stuff.

> > >

> > > I am wondering if the high need for iron was not that I wasn't getting

enough but that my body wasn't doing the right things with it and it ended up

being an excess that wasn't really used -- the way a desert can flood with not

terribly much rain because the ground will just not absorb it (if that makes

sense -- it made sense to my son).

> > >

> > > Anyway, it's been a while since I was unable to figure out the cause of

some crisis and this is pretty bad. So looking for ideas/feedback.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > > http://www.solanorail.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as to

what are symptoms of that?

Any time I tried to give my son a supplement or food containing iron, he got

wildly hyper and " spacy " .

I gave IP6 to reduce the iron levels, which worked very well. He was more

" present " and several of his issues were greatly reduced.

I learned that vitamin C was required to property absorb iron. My son was

*severely* vitamin C deficient.

>>For years, I took high doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg

syndrome.

At my house, restless legs were caused by calcium and magnesium deficiency, and

B vitamin deficiency. And just like with other supplements, once we no longer

needed these things, they *caused* the same symptoms [restless legs, among other

things] that they had initially eliminated.

>>have worse warts and stuff.

I eliminated warts here with lysine.

Dana

[Guest guest]

You sound like you've been through a lot, .

Follow your conscience? .. . That there should be any other science, even, if

not especially? .. . Try what you will (For your self, of as much?) that

Understanding would be The answer, of such answer (more so than knowledge

otherwise? .. . as confusing and unjust as that can be, where we let it be? .. .

but I don't let it be by as much? of going with my gut! Everything with *me* has

to pass such test.. .

Follow your understanding/of your feeling/s, for such wellness if not wellness

itself (of what is so primary? of KIS, Genius?) is all I can say for what you're

speculating on... as far as I'm concerned? in that respect, that there isn't at

least that much to be a genius about, but I Feel There Is.. .

Best wishes in that respect

Mike Glavic

Don't go too far off-track of your feeling/s in getting what you need? (Maybe

you're not.; Maybe I'm just imagining as much) That we're aren't primarily

self-healing in that respect? but I Feel We Are, us that are?!. I wish you well

if not so well? As well as you can be

I tend to trash language labels and labellers who try to orient us to (and by)

as much, as well, that *what* we are trying to say *would* be more the thing (of

as much?) and not so much how we say it otherwise.. . That I've got time to be

pretty or that that would be so meaningful to me.. .

I also got you wanted the matter simplified? .. . I hope I helped in that

respect, (All?) as complicated as what there was or is to simplify? .. . that I

had to work with and that I got from as much (!) Things can get so out of

balance of all that can go out of balance... otherwise, is my sense of why we

should be going more/better with what got us to the dance.. .

Our Feeling/s. I Especially call it Understanding.. . (You want that, of as

much, to be working for you, I Feel as understand.. It can where you believe in

as much?!. Discriminate your feeling/s better, for as much? as you can get? for

your self? .. .

On The Communication Method, call It what you Feel? .. . (My answer was related

to as much?!. Yes, It Was.. . Judge me accordingly?!.

I can Take It, or I figure I wouldn't have gotten so far with It, do you figure?

... . Go Figure

For The Quality Of Your Life

> > > >

> > > > I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as

to what are symptoms of that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am asking because I am having a really dreadful week. I left work

after only half a day twice this week so far and I'm really struggling and quite

baffled. I have my period and I am bleeding heavily. For years, I took high

doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg syndrome. I always took the b

first, aware that you can end up poisoned by minerals. So I tried to play it

conservatively. I am 45 and didn't get regular (monthly) periods until I was 40.

I didn't realize how severely anemic I was my whole life until I began having

regular periods and stopped being so badly symptomatic for anemia all the time.

In recent months, I no longer take iron supplements. I went through a few weeks

where I was cooking spinach regularly instead of taking iron supplements but I

am not even craving foods like that right now. Yet someone at work noted that I

was very pale today and I have no energy, which are indicators of anemia. I am

wondering if this is kind of the way die-off causes one to become temporarily

more symptomatic -- have worse warts and stuff.

> > > >

> > > > I am wondering if the high need for iron was not that I wasn't getting

enough but that my body wasn't doing the right things with it and it ended up

being an excess that wasn't really used -- the way a desert can flood with not

terribly much rain because the ground will just not absorb it (if that makes

sense -- it made sense to my son).

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, it's been a while since I was unable to figure out the cause of

some crisis and this is pretty bad. So looking for ideas/feedback.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Michele

> > > > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > > > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > > > http://www.solanorail.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > I know some folks here have been high iron. Can anyone enlighten me as to

what are symptoms of that?

>

>

> Any time I tried to give my son a supplement or food containing iron, he got

wildly hyper and " spacy " .

Thanks.

>

> I gave IP6 to reduce the iron levels, which worked very well. He was more

" present " and several of his issues were greatly reduced.

IP6? I don't know that abbreviation. What is it?

>

> I learned that vitamin C was required to property absorb iron. My son was

*severely* vitamin C deficient.

Yeah, I've been eating oranges here lately. I think that might be part of why I

am suddenly reacting like I am iron poisoned -- maybe my body is starting to

absorb/use it properly. There are other things going on. So hard to pin it

down. But it is looking to me like something has fundamentally changed and my

body is dealing with iron differently, after a lifetime of not absorbing it or

using it very well.

>

>

> >>For years, I took high doses of b complex and iron to treat restless leg

syndrome.

>

>

> At my house, restless legs were caused by calcium and magnesium deficiency,

and B vitamin deficiency. And just like with other supplements, once we no

longer needed these things, they *caused* the same symptoms [restless legs,

among other things] that they had initially eliminated.

Thanks. These days, I am only taking b complex to treat restless leg syndrome.

And sometimes wiping my legs/feet down with peroxide or distilled water.

>

>

> >>have worse warts and stuff.

>

>

> I eliminated warts here with lysine.

Yeah, I know. I was just using warts as an example. Warts have cleared up here.

>

> Dana

>

Thanks for all the feedback.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

[Guest guest]

> > I gave IP6 to reduce the iron levels, which worked very well. He was more

" present " and several of his issues were greatly reduced.

>

> IP6? I don't know that abbreviation. What is it?

This is the one I used, I bought it from my local health food store.

http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Critical-Cellular-Support/Colon-Cell-He\

alth/05802-Cell-Fort-IP-6-Inositol.aspx

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I will keep that in mind if this continues to be an issue. I did have

my son pick up some vitamin a. I take very few supplements these days and

mostly manage my condition with diet and lifestyle. So I didn't happen to have

any in the house. And I am taking a couple of days off this coming week. I am

already feeling a good deal better. So I don't know how much support I will

need.

I'm probably babbling.

Later.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

> > > I gave IP6 to reduce the iron levels, which worked very well. He was more

" present " and several of his issues were greatly reduced.

> >

> > IP6? I don't know that abbreviation. What is it?

>

>

> This is the one I used, I bought it from my local health food store.

>

>

http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Critical-Cellular-Support/Colon-Cell-He\

alth/05802-Cell-Fort-IP-6-Inositol.aspx

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Another thought....don't know if it was addressed earlier... have you

checked the ferritin level? Iron can cause problems in hemochromatosis

diagnosed by an elevated ferritin.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:19 AM, michele_in_california <

talithamichele@...> wrote:

>

>

> Thanks. I will keep that in mind if this continues to be an issue. I did

> have my son pick up some vitamin a. I take very few supplements these days

> and mostly manage my condition with diet and lifestyle. So I didn't happen

> to have any in the house. And I am taking a couple of days off this coming

> week. I am already feeling a good deal better. So I don't know how much

> support I will need.

>

> I'm probably babbling.

>

> Later.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.com

> http://www.kidslikemine.com

> http://www.solanorail.com

>

>

> > > > I gave IP6 to reduce the iron levels, which worked very well. He was

> more " present " and several of his issues were greatly reduced.

> > >

> > > IP6? I don't know that abbreviation. What is it?

> >

> >

> > This is the one I used, I bought it from my local health food store.

> >

> >

>

http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Critical-Cellular-Support/Colon-Cell-He\

alth/05802-Cell-Fort-IP-6-Inositol.aspx

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Another thought....don't know if it was addressed earlier... have you

> checked the ferritin level? Iron can cause problems in hemochromatosis

> diagnosed by an elevated ferritin.

>

I haven't had any blood tests or other tests, that's part of why I was asking

for feedback here and doing some googling. Given the cutting edge nature of

what I am doing, I don't think any doctor is really qualified to help me. The

specialist I had after finally being diagnosed late in life told me bluntly that

'people like you don't get well'. Doctors had no plans to really help when I

had no diagnosis (and they were saying things like " we can't find anything

physically wrong with you, would you like to speak to a psychiatrist? " ) and had

no plans to really help me when I finally did get a diagnosis. This

specialist's reaction to me getting better on my own was to schedule me with

fewer and fewer appointments and express zero interest in how this miracle was

being accomplished. So I have been treating myself " symptomatically " for about

10 years, with an excellent track record of steady forward progress.

Thanks for the feedback.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com