Re: Laughing silly and Chewing finger tips Constantly

[Guest guest]

What are you doing for bacteria? Sounds like you have the yeast and virals taken

care of, but that could leave room for bacteria to flourish.

Karla

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> Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE, OLE

and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

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> We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now (since

we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building up

resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

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> He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last time

when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Nothing right now. What would you recommend please?

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> > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE,

OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

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> > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

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> > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

I thought GSE and OLE are natural remedy for bacteria. No?

April

[ ] Re: Laughing silly and Chewing finger tips

Constantly

What are you doing for bacteria? Sounds like you have the yeast and virals

taken care of, but that could leave room for bacteria to flourish.

Karla

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> Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE,

OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

>

> We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

>

> He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

>

> Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

GSE I think is more anti-fungal and OLE works great for viruses here and is a

good antioxidant to boot, but hasnt been effective for bacteria. We use Sacc B

and lots of probiotics.

Karla

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> > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE,

OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

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> > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

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> > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Sacc B and probiotics. We use Klaire Therbiotics and Culturelle. We were also

using VSL 3, but my son was just diagnosed with PANDAS and VSL has a strep

strain, so we're stopping that for now.

Karla

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> > > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE,

OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

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> > > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

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> > > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the clarification. What brand(s) of Sac B do you use? Thanks again!

April

[ ] Re: Laughing silly and Chewing finger tips

Constantly

GSE I think is more anti-fungal and OLE works great for viruses here and is a

good antioxidant to boot, but hasnt been effective for bacteria. We use Sacc B

and lots of probiotics.

Karla

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> > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE,

OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

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> > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

> >

> > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Kirkman

Karla

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> > > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin,

GSE, OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It

has increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over

it.

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> > > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

> > >

> > > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks!

April

[ ] Re: Laughing silly and Chewing finger tips

Constantly

Kirkman

Karla

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> > > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin,

GSE, OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It

has increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over

it.

> > >

> > > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

> > >

> > > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Karla,

I understand PANDAS is a clinical Dx, means symptom dependent not report

dependent.

How you became sure that its PANDAS and not virus?

Does he get inflammed tonsilitis regularly, please post the symptoms which

contributes to this Dx.

Thanks,

Sasmita

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> > > > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin,

GSE, OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It

has increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over

it.

> > > >

> > > > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

> > > >

> > > > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > > > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

As I understand it (and Im still learning about it) you have to have a diagnosis

of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and/or tic disorders such as Tourette's

Syndrome and see a worsening of the OCD or tics fairly quickly after a bout of

strep or show high strep titers.

My son does have mild OCD, but we'd we hadnt seen OCD behaviors for about 2 yrs.

2 months ago they came back and we couldnt figure out why. No new suuplements,

no change in diet, no sickness. He's never shown signs of strep or tonsilitis,

hadnt been sick in well over a year. We had the strep titers done and the count

was pretty high, so he definately had the exposure, he just didnt show any signs

of being sick.

Here's a good link for PANDAS info.

http://pandasnetwork.org/

Karla

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> > > > > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin,

GSE, OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It

has increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over

it.

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> > > > > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

> > > > >

> > > > > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body.

Last time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and

it coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > > > > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the responses.

I think you guys are right: now I remember what we went through and what we did

over a year ago. At that time my son was tested positive for parasites, and then

lyme disease, and we also suspected PANDAs. But things were so bad (lots of

aggression, defiance, OCD, ...) that I didn't even care about silly laughing and

finger chewing, although they were there too. I just threw a whole bunch of

stuff at him (based on information I collected from sites like this), which

included lyme protocol, antifungal, antiviral, anti-parasites and probios, ....

I was so desperate that I couldn't even wait to try one thing at a time and thus

couldn't even tell what worked afterwards...

I am going to put Culturelle and Sacc B back, and then add antiparasites in two

weeks or so. This time it doesn't look so bad yet: so I am hoping I could try

one thing at a time to figure things out a bit better.

Again, thank you.

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> > > > > > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking

Biotin, GSE, OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing

this? It has increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any

control over it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time

now (since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is

building up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body.

Last time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and

it coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

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> > > > > > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

My son get darks spots on his body, chews things and laughs constantly because

of yeast. I use Enhansa which worked better for my son than biotin and OLE. I

also give him as much as 6 capsules of probiotics usually from Klaire labs and

switch them every three months. Digestive enzymes seem to help as well. I'm not

fully familiar with the AC chelation protocol yet ( buying his book this week)

but I know a few parents who use Zeolite (NCD by Waiora) to chelate and that

eventually helped with yeast.

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> Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE, OLE

and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

>

> We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now (since

we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building up

resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

>

> He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last time

when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

>

> Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. We used Enhansa and Zeolite during the period over a year ago too (plus

things like Virgin Coconut Oil, Garlic, Goldseal, Wormwood, ...). Just

re-ordered a whole bunch of things again (actually lots of websites save all my

previous orders and I am amazed to see how many things I tried in desperation!).

I guess I really don't know what worked and what didn't at that time, but I do

know that something definitely worked! My son got top 1% in the nationwide math

competition (AMC10 for 10th grade and below, and he is only a 7th grader). He

also just won 3rd place in mid-atlantic scholastic chess tournament, competing

with a bunch of high schoolers!

This time I just need to figure out which ones actually work by putting them

back on one at a time. Feels good to be working on something as hard as this:

nothing in life is harder and more rewarding!

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> > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE,

OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this? It has

increased a lot recently and he simply doesn't seem to have any control over it.

> >

> > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

> >

> > He also seemed to have just got a couple of dark spots on his body. Last

time when he had those spots (more and darker), it was over a year ago and it

coincided with a very very tough period for us (him). I don't remember how we

got rid of those spots, but now some are coming back and I am getting scared

again...

> >

> > Any suggestion / experience is appreciated.

> >

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[Guest guest]

> Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE, OLE

and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this?

At my house, the OLE and Virastop would have *increased* yeast. So I would

still suspect yeast, because those symptoms meant yeast here.

> We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now (since

we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building up

resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

How much biotin and GSE are you giving? During my anti-viral protocol, I had to

give 20mg biotin 3x per day plus at least 4 GSE tablets 3x per day.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dana, as always. I have been doing 10mg dBiotin and 250mg GSE as well as

Caprylic Acid, all one time a day, except on weekends when chelating, during

which I double all three.

I re-started Sac B, Culturelle and cooking with Coconut oil. I am also going to

pause the chelation for a couple of weekends. Will see what happens with those

first.

> > Other than yeast, for which my 12yr-old son is already taking Biotin, GSE,

OLE and ViralStop, among other things, what else could be causing this?

>

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> At my house, the OLE and Virastop would have *increased* yeast. So I would

still suspect yeast, because those symptoms meant yeast here.

>

>

> > We have been on these antiyeast and antiviral for a long long time now

(since we started A/C chelating almost 3 years ago). I wonder if he is building

up resistances? If it's indeed yeast, what else could I do?

>

>

> How much biotin and GSE are you giving? During my anti-viral protocol, I had

to give 20mg biotin 3x per day plus at least 4 GSE tablets 3x per day.

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> Dana

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