Guest guest Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? Thanks for any info! Tracey Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Some people say 'yes' but some percentage of kids are not " cured " by chelation alone. I read years ago that if your ph balance is correct, you are pretty much immune to viral infections. Because I and my oldest son have a form of cystic fibrosis, combating, controlling, and preventing infection has been our main focus. I've done some chelation, but that's not really my main focus. PH balance has been a big focus for us. I don't recall the last time I had a cold. I continue to experience die-off of a backlog of infections from decades of not having an appropriate diagnosis and not getting appropriate care for my condition. There is a little info on my website about what we are doing, if you are interested. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > Thanks for any info! > Tracey > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 How do we correct our PH balance then? > > > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > > Thanks for any info! > > Tracey > > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 > > How do we correct our PH balance then? > You should probably first determine if that is an issue. Some people on this board have bought test strips and tested urine and/or saliva daily. I never did that. My genetic disorder predisposes me to being way too acid. I knew from feel that when my stomach was too acid, I had more lung inflammation. So I worked on reducing excess acidity -- which is what most people will be dealing with as well since the typical American diet makes one too acid. But being too alkaline is also a problem so I really don't suggest you start working on excess acidity without having some idea that it is an issue. Here are the pages on my website where I talk a little about this specific issue. You can also use Onibasu to search for posts by me on this board where I talk about it. http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml http://healthgazelle.com/howto.shtml http://healthgazelle.com/magnesiumandazythromycin.shtml http://healthgazelle.com/peanutconnection.shtml Your question is very broad, which is why I am recommending some general information. If after reading up a little you have any specific questions, I will be happy to answer them to the best of my ability. Peace and good luck. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Tracey, It's been our experience that viral problems have not resolved with just chelation. We are on round 167 and also taking steps to deal with immune problems and viral issues at the same time. We have been doing so for some time. For my son, it seems pretty clear that removing the metals won't address all the problems; however, I don't see how I could address all the problems without removing the metals. Anita > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > Thanks for any info! > Tracey > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? Chelation did nothing for virus issues here. I eliminated viruses with high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 I will read it. I suspect PH problems due to an autoimmune marker that is positive for myself and various other issues that I am dealing with, hair loss, hormonal issues, cysts, yeast, digestion issues, etc. thanks > > > > How do we correct our PH balance then? > > > > You should probably first determine if that is an issue. Some people on this board have bought test strips and tested urine and/or saliva daily. I never did that. My genetic disorder predisposes me to being way too acid. I knew from feel that when my stomach was too acid, I had more lung inflammation. So I worked on reducing excess acidity -- which is what most people will be dealing with as well since the typical American diet makes one too acid. But being too alkaline is also a problem so I really don't suggest you start working on excess acidity without having some idea that it is an issue. > > Here are the pages on my website where I talk a little about this specific issue. You can also use Onibasu to search for posts by me on this board where I talk about it. > > http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml > http://healthgazelle.com/howto.shtml > http://healthgazelle.com/magnesiumandazythromycin.shtml > http://healthgazelle.com/peanutconnection.shtml > > Your question is very broad, which is why I am recommending some general information. If after reading up a little you have any specific questions, I will be happy to answer them to the best of my ability. > > Peace and good luck. > > Michele > http://www.healthgazelle.com > http://www.kidslikemine.com > http://www.solanorail.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Thank you all for replying. Great info. I am still learning so much. Bioray addresses pH a lot, need to read more about that and I will visit your site . Thank you Dana, headed over to your site as well! God bless, Tracey > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > > > Chelation did nothing for virus issues here. I eliminated viruses with high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 My guess is, if a parent is chelating their child they are doing other interventions. I can't think of one person who simply took/gave a chelator and that's it. So, I suppose what I am saying is that no child is cured by chelation alone. Splitting hairs. That kind of mood today! Pam > > > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > > Thanks for any info! > > Tracey > > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 I happen to agree with you. But I know some people here say otherwise. I try to tread lightly. I have gotten lots and lots of, er, critiques on this forum for sins like doing cilantro chelation and undoubtedly many more things. I will add that, like Dana suggested, I did do herbal/supplement-based antimicrobials for a long time. I took a combination of OLE, vitamin A and vitamin E for about two years -- not specifically to treat virii but I think that is one of the things I was eliminating. I had bad die off rashes for ages (due to literally decades of not getting adequate care for my undiagnosed medical condition). Some of it I know was strep. I had bad strep die-off for a long, long time and still sometimes get that (though from deeper tissues these days). My understanding is strep is bacterial. I don't know what all else came out. But I no longer need that kind/level of support. These days, eating the right things and living right (non-toxic household, etc) are mostly what I do. I'm still taking b-complex periodically, but not like I used to. Peace. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > > > > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > > > Thanks for any info! > > > Tracey > > > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 , I'm interested in Ph. My boy's saliva usually runs at an 8. From what I understand this would be alkaline, not acidic. In this case I would supplement vinegar, correct? So the diet tonic water be the opposite treatment that we would need for acidity if we are running more alkaline, correct? Deb > > > > How do we correct our PH balance then? > > > > You should probably first determine if that is an issue. Some people on this board have bought test strips and tested urine and/or saliva daily. I never did that. My genetic disorder predisposes me to being way too acid. I knew from feel that when my stomach was too acid, I had more lung inflammation. So I worked on reducing excess acidity -- which is what most people will be dealing with as well since the typical American diet makes one too acid. But being too alkaline is also a problem so I really don't suggest you start working on excess acidity without having some idea that it is an issue. > > Here are the pages on my website where I talk a little about this specific issue. You can also use Onibasu to search for posts by me on this board where I talk about it. > > http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml > http://healthgazelle.com/howto.shtml > http://healthgazelle.com/magnesiumandazythromycin.shtml > http://healthgazelle.com/peanutconnection.shtml > > Your question is very broad, which is why I am recommending some general information. If after reading up a little you have any specific questions, I will be happy to answer them to the best of my ability. > > Peace and good luck. > > Michele > http://www.healthgazelle.com > http://www.kidslikemine.com > http://www.solanorail.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 What is a virus and what is an " antiviral " ? How does one " go after a virus " ? > > > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > > Thanks for any info! > > Tracey > > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Yes, skip the diet tonic water. It will make his problems worse. When I have over done it and my stomach became too alkaline, I drank orange juice to correct it. You can't digest food properly if your stomach is not acidic enough. (This is part of why I worked on eating the right solid foods and doing stuff topically: So I could make my overall body PH less acid without screwing up my stomach.) There are links on the PH balance page to food lists. It is just a one line entry towards the bottom that says: " Alkaline/Acid Food Charts: 1, 2, 3 , 4 , 5. " The numbers are clickable and take you to different food charts. The charts don't all agree but it's a place to start. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > , I'm interested in Ph. My boy's saliva usually runs at an 8. From what I understand this would be alkaline, not acidic. In this case I would supplement vinegar, correct? > > So the diet tonic water be the opposite treatment that we would need for acidity if we are running more alkaline, correct? > Deb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm not even referrring to the 'sins'... just the fact that most of us, along with chelation, have tried things like anti-virals even if we didn't really intend to do so. My first use of Lysine was for language. I had no idea it was an antiviral until I saw the 2 warts on his fingers dry up and fall off. It still does depend on the child, that is for sure. For me, I feel like chelation is the 1 intervention I can comfortably tell people not to pass up when doing biomedical for a child on the spectrum (well, aside from a trial run of diet restrictions). The others interventions I would say depends on the child. I hope I didn't tread too heavily! Pam > > > > > > > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does it just depend on the child? > > > > Thanks for any info! > > > > Tracey > > > > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 > What is a virus and what is an " antiviral " ? How does one " go after a virus " ? My son had multiple viruses proliferating in his body and brain. I used Virastop and OLE to get the viruses somewhat under control. Then I used high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. These pages have info http://www.danasview.net/virus.htm http://www.danasview.net/virfile.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Hello All Im more than shure my son get the way hi is after long viral infection because that what happened hi was sick for about month and after 6m regressed dramaticly and become what hi is naw iven his had was wrong his forhead become big like swolenand the top of his head was absolutely flat .when i go to Dr they sad oh notting is wrong every kid has difrent head but what happened naw every one see. So my Q is haw i can find wich virus is there and with what to treated as not every virus is treated with lisin isentit or im wrong if it is herpes ok but if it is something else is there any test wich can show that.If i use valtrex how long and what is the dosage for 50lb.we are treating viruses with strong herbs from iridiologist hi treat viruses and yeast .The iridiolojist saw a pneumonia wich wasent compleatly cuered before i ges thats way my son was regulary cofing.hi is treating leaky gut aswell and detox the body lets see what will happened. I just want be shure what virus im treating .I have speak with virusulog Dr she sad there is no reason to do titter test she sad if hi is imunised hi will have teeter rearly people dont have titres and she was interested about cunningham test and PANDAS as well so if the titers are not the test wich is the viral test i can do to find out what viruses and when i do treat them to know what happened and look for changes. Im confused about this viral issues as every one suggest difrently. thank you From: danasview <danasview@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Will viral issues resolve with chelation? Date: Monday, 21 February, 2011, 15:39  > What is a virus and what is an " antiviral " ? How does one " go after a virus " ? My son had multiple viruses proliferating in his body and brain. I used Virastop and OLE to get the viruses somewhat under control. Then I used high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. These pages have info http://www.danasview.net/virus.htm http://www.danasview.net/virfile.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I think it's complicated. I have not been chelating for over 5 years but it is clear to me that metals and other toxins continue to come out. I think there is probably a synergystic relationship between the infections and the metals. My son told me one day that most ores clump the way they do because of microbes in them. I suspect that people with cystic fibrosis tend to retain metals, petrochemicals and possibly other things better than average and I think this contributes to " the normal progression of CF " (ie where someone gets sicker and sicker until they die). I have heard that about 75% of ASD kids have a genetic tendency to hang on to metals. This fits with the roughly 75% to 80% of ASD kids that Andy says respond to chelation. So I suspect the CF genes that run in my family -- and both of my sons have at least one such gene -- contributes to the ASD issues they ended up with. I get a lot of flack when I say stuff like this on this list (and may well regret this post), but the stuff I go through now has a lot in common with the stuff I went through while using cilantro and fits with stuff I hear on list periodically. Also my eye color has changed in a pattern consistent with information I got on this list about how metal poisoning changes eye color and how cleaning it up changes it back. I mean, I have read from links from here that metal poisoning tends to cause yellow and brown flecks in the eye color. I had " hazel " eyes my whole life -- ie green with yellow and brown flecks -- and my eyes have a lot less yellow and brown in them these days. Anyway, without belaboring the point, it is clear to me that metals continue to come out of my system without use of a chelator. Getting rid of infections has been a really major focus. Most people on this list are actually treating both things - metal poisoning and infection (viral or bacterial and sometimes parasitic). I have come to believe those go hand in hand and are not just a one way street where metal poisoning causes vulnerability to infection, which is what is generally said on this list. I think it runs both ways: Yes, metal poisoning causes vulnerability to infection, but I think infection also can make one hang on to metals, depending in part on what the infection is. I think that bacteria and other microbes " terraform " the body (so to speak) to make it more habitable for themselves, in the same way that humans shape their living environment, ants shape their living environment, crocodiles shape their living environment, etc. For me, I think part of the reason metals come out without a chelator because my genetic disorder is a big part of what causes me to hang on to toxins and I have worked hard to reverse the chemical/nutritional and other consequences that my genetic disorder causes. So my body works closer to normal. Anyway, should probably shut up before I get in too much trouble. Later. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > I'm not even referrring to the 'sins'... just the fact that most of us, along with chelation, have tried things like anti-virals even if we didn't really intend to do so. My first use of Lysine was for language. I had no idea it was an antiviral until I saw the 2 warts on his fingers dry up and fall off. > > It still does depend on the child, that is for sure. For me, I feel like chelation is the 1 intervention I can comfortably tell people not to pass up when doing biomedical for a child on the spectrum (well, aside from a trial run of diet restrictions). The others interventions I would say depends on the child. > > I hope I didn't tread too heavily! > > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 > So my Q is haw i can find wich virus is there and with what to treated as not every virus is treated with lisin isentit or im wrong if it is herpes ok but if it is something else is there any test wich can show that. Titers tests can show some of the viruses. > I just want be shure what virus im treating My son had several different viruses, and it took all four of the natural anti-virals to eliminate all of them. >>I have speak with virusulog Dr she sad there is no reason to do titter test she sad if hi is imunised hi will have teeter rearly people dont have titres A viral child will typically show high titers, not no titers. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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