Will viral issues resolve with chelation?

http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml

>

> We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

> Thanks for any info!

> Tracey

> Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues

>

February 20, 2011

How do we correct our PH balance then?

> >

> > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

> > Thanks for any info!

> > Tracey

> > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues

> >

>

February 20, 2011

>

> How do we correct our PH balance then?

>

You should probably first determine if that is an issue. Some people on this

board have bought test strips and tested urine and/or saliva daily. I never did

that. My genetic disorder predisposes me to being way too acid. I knew from

feel that when my stomach was too acid, I had more lung inflammation. So I

worked on reducing excess acidity -- which is what most people will be dealing

with as well since the typical American diet makes one too acid. But being too

alkaline is also a problem so I really don't suggest you start working on excess

acidity without having some idea that it is an issue.

Here are the pages on my website where I talk a little about this specific

issue. You can also use Onibasu to search for posts by me on this board where I

talk about it.

http://healthgazelle.com/howto.shtml

http://healthgazelle.com/magnesiumandazythromycin.shtml

http://healthgazelle.com/peanutconnection.shtml

Your question is very broad, which is why I am recommending some general

information. If after reading up a little you have any specific questions, I

will be happy to answer them to the best of my ability.

Peace and good luck.

Michele

> http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml

February 20, 2011

Tracey,

It's been our experience that viral problems have not resolved with just

chelation. We are on round 167 and also taking steps to deal with immune

problems and viral issues at the same time. We have been doing so for some time.

For my son, it seems pretty clear that removing the metals won't address all the

problems; however, I don't see how I could address all the problems without

removing the metals.

Anita

>

> We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

> Thanks for any info!

> Tracey

> Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues

>

February 20, 2011

> We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

Chelation did nothing for virus issues here. I eliminated viruses with high

doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine.

Dana

February 20, 2011

I will read it. I suspect PH problems due to an autoimmune marker that is

positive for myself and various other issues that I am dealing with, hair loss,

hormonal issues, cysts, yeast, digestion issues, etc.

thanks

> >

> > How do we correct our PH balance then?

> >

>

> You should probably first determine if that is an issue. Some people on this

board have bought test strips and tested urine and/or saliva daily. I never did

that. My genetic disorder predisposes me to being way too acid. I knew from

feel that when my stomach was too acid, I had more lung inflammation. So I

worked on reducing excess acidity -- which is what most people will be dealing

with as well since the typical American diet makes one too acid. But being too

alkaline is also a problem so I really don't suggest you start working on excess

acidity without having some idea that it is an issue.

>

> Here are the pages on my website where I talk a little about this specific

issue. You can also use Onibasu to search for posts by me on this board where I

talk about it.

>

> http://healthgazelle.com/howto.shtml

> http://healthgazelle.com/magnesiumandazythromycin.shtml

> http://healthgazelle.com/peanutconnection.shtml

>

> Your question is very broad, which is why I am recommending some general

information. If after reading up a little you have any specific questions, I

will be happy to answer them to the best of my ability.

>

> Peace and good luck.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.com

> http://www.kidslikemine.com

> http://www.solanorail.com

>

February 20, 2011

Thank you all for replying. Great info. I am still learning so much. Bioray

addresses pH a lot, need to read more about that and I will visit your site

.

Thank you Dana, headed over to your site as well!

God bless,

Tracey

> > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

>

> Chelation did nothing for virus issues here. I eliminated viruses with high

doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine.

>

> Dana

>

February 20, 2011

My guess is, if a parent is chelating their child they are doing other

interventions. I can't think of one person who simply took/gave a chelator and

that's it. So, I suppose what I am saying is that no child is cured by

chelation alone.

Splitting hairs. That kind of mood today!

Pam

> >

> > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

> > Thanks for any info!

> > Tracey

> > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues

> >

>

February 20, 2011

I happen to agree with you. But I know some people here say otherwise. I try

to tread lightly. I have gotten lots and lots of, er, critiques on this forum

for sins like doing cilantro chelation and undoubtedly many more things.

I will add that, like Dana suggested, I did do herbal/supplement-based

antimicrobials for a long time. I took a combination of OLE, vitamin A and

vitamin E for about two years -- not specifically to treat virii but I think

that is one of the things I was eliminating. I had bad die off rashes for ages

(due to literally decades of not getting adequate care for my undiagnosed

medical condition). Some of it I know was strep. I had bad strep die-off for a

long, long time and still sometimes get that (though from deeper tissues these

days). My understanding is strep is bacterial. I don't know what all else came

out. But I no longer need that kind/level of support. These days, eating the

right things and living right (non-toxic household, etc) are mostly what I do.

I'm still taking b-complex periodically, but not like I used to.

Peace.

Michele

> http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml

> > >

> > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

> > > Thanks for any info!

> > > Tracey

> > > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues

> > >

> >

>

February 20, 2011

, I'm interested in Ph. My boy's saliva usually runs at an 8. From

what I understand this would be alkaline, not acidic. In this case I would

supplement vinegar, correct?

So the diet tonic water be the opposite treatment that we would need for acidity

if we are running more alkaline, correct?

Deb

> >

> > How do we correct our PH balance then?

> >

>

> You should probably first determine if that is an issue. Some people on this

board have bought test strips and tested urine and/or saliva daily. I never did

that. My genetic disorder predisposes me to being way too acid. I knew from

feel that when my stomach was too acid, I had more lung inflammation. So I

worked on reducing excess acidity -- which is what most people will be dealing

with as well since the typical American diet makes one too acid. But being too

alkaline is also a problem so I really don't suggest you start working on excess

acidity without having some idea that it is an issue.

>

> Here are the pages on my website where I talk a little about this specific

issue. You can also use Onibasu to search for posts by me on this board where I

talk about it.

>

> http://healthgazelle.com/howto.shtml

> http://healthgazelle.com/magnesiumandazythromycin.shtml

> http://healthgazelle.com/peanutconnection.shtml

>

> Your question is very broad, which is why I am recommending some general

information. If after reading up a little you have any specific questions, I

will be happy to answer them to the best of my ability.

>

> Peace and good luck.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.com

> http://www.kidslikemine.com

> http://www.solanorail.com

>

February 21, 2011

What is a virus and what is an " antiviral " ? How does one " go after a virus " ?

> >

> > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many go

after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our children.

If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough chelation? Does

it just depend on the child?

> > Thanks for any info!

> > Tracey

> > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues

> >

>

February 21, 2011

Yes, skip the diet tonic water. It will make his problems worse.

When I have over done it and my stomach became too alkaline, I drank orange

juice to correct it. You can't digest food properly if your stomach is not

acidic enough. (This is part of why I worked on eating the right solid foods and

doing stuff topically: So I could make my overall body PH less acid without

screwing up my stomach.) There are links on the PH balance page to food lists.

It is just a one line entry towards the bottom that says: " Alkaline/Acid Food

Charts: 1, 2, 3 , 4 , 5. " The numbers are clickable and take you to different

food charts. The charts don't all agree but it's a place to start.

Michele

http://www.danasview.net/virus.htm

>

> , I'm interested in Ph. My boy's saliva usually runs at an 8. From

what I understand this would be alkaline, not acidic. In this case I would

supplement vinegar, correct?

>

> So the diet tonic water be the opposite treatment that we would need for

acidity if we are running more alkaline, correct?

> Deb

>

February 21, 2011

I'm not even referrring to the 'sins'... just the fact that most of us, along

with chelation, have tried things like anti-virals even if we didn't really

intend to do so. My first use of Lysine was for language. I had no idea it was

an antiviral until I saw the 2 warts on his fingers dry up and fall off.

It still does depend on the child, that is for sure. For me, I feel like

chelation is the 1 intervention I can comfortably tell people not to pass up

when doing biomedical for a child on the spectrum (well, aside from a trial run

of diet restrictions). The others interventions I would say depends on the

child.

I hope I didn't tread too heavily!

Pam

> > > >

> > > > We have been chelating with ALA and bioray products but I see that many

go after viruses and claim this is the true " root cause " for many of our

children. If viruses are an issue, will viral issues resolve with enough

chelation? Does it just depend on the child?

> > > > Thanks for any info!

> > > > Tracey

> > > > Mom to 3 girls-PDD-NOS, sensory and reflux issues

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 21, 2011

> What is a virus and what is an " antiviral " ? How does one " go after a virus " ?

My son had multiple viruses proliferating in his body and brain.

I used Virastop and OLE to get the viruses somewhat under control. Then I used

high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the

viruses.

These pages have info

http://www.danasview.net/virfile.htm

Dana

February 21, 2011

Hello All

Im more than shure my son get the way hi is after long viral infection because

that what happened hi was sick for about month and after 6m regressed dramaticly

and become what hi is naw iven his had was wrong his forhead become big like

swolenand the top of his head was absolutely flat .when i go to Dr they sad oh

notting is wrong every kid has difrent head but what happened naw every one see.

So my Q is haw i can find wich virus is thereÂ and with what to treated as not

every virus is treated with lisin isentit or im wrong if it is herpes ok but if

it is something else is there any test wich can show that.If i use valtrex how

long and what is the dosage for 50lb.we are treating viruses with strong herbs

from iridiologist hi treat viruses and yeast .The iridiolojist saw a pneumonia

wich wasent compleatly cuered before i ges thats way my son was regulary

cofing.hi is treating leaky gut aswell and detox the body lets see what will

happened.

I just want be shure what virus im treating .I have speak with virusulog Dr she

sad there is no reason to do titter test she sad if hi is imunised hi will have

teeter rearly people dont have titres and she was interested about cunningham

test and PANDAS as well so if the titers are not the test wich is the viral test

i can do to find out what viruses and when i do treat them to know what happened

and look for changes.

Im confused about this viral issues as every one suggest difrently.

thank you

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Will viral issues resolve with chelation?

Date: Monday, 21 February, 2011, 15:39

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> What is a virus and what is an " antiviral " ? How does one " go after a virus " ?

My son had multiple viruses proliferating in his body and brain.

I used Virastop and OLE to get the viruses somewhat under control. Then I used

high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the

viruses.

These pages have info

http://www.danasview.net/virus.htm

http://www.danasview.net/virfile.htm

Dana

February 21, 2011

I think it's complicated. I have not been chelating for over 5 years but it is

clear to me that metals and other toxins continue to come out. I think there is

probably a synergystic relationship between the infections and the metals. My

son told me one day that most ores clump the way they do because of microbes in

them. I suspect that people with cystic fibrosis tend to retain metals,

petrochemicals and possibly other things better than average and I think this

contributes to " the normal progression of CF " (ie where someone gets sicker and

sicker until they die). I have heard that about 75% of ASD kids have a genetic

tendency to hang on to metals. This fits with the roughly 75% to 80% of ASD

kids that Andy says respond to chelation. So I suspect the CF genes that run in

my family -- and both of my sons have at least one such gene -- contributes to

the ASD issues they ended up with.

I get a lot of flack when I say stuff like this on this list (and may well

regret this post), but the stuff I go through now has a lot in common with the

stuff I went through while using cilantro and fits with stuff I hear on list

periodically. Also my eye color has changed in a pattern consistent with

information I got on this list about how metal poisoning changes eye color and

how cleaning it up changes it back. I mean, I have read from links from here

that metal poisoning tends to cause yellow and brown flecks in the eye color. I

had " hazel " eyes my whole life -- ie green with yellow and brown flecks -- and

my eyes have a lot less yellow and brown in them these days.

Anyway, without belaboring the point, it is clear to me that metals continue to

come out of my system without use of a chelator. Getting rid of infections has

been a really major focus. Most people on this list are actually treating both

things - metal poisoning and infection (viral or bacterial and sometimes

parasitic). I have come to believe those go hand in hand and are not just a one

way street where metal poisoning causes vulnerability to infection, which is

what is generally said on this list. I think it runs both ways: Yes, metal

poisoning causes vulnerability to infection, but I think infection also can make

one hang on to metals, depending in part on what the infection is. I think that

bacteria and other microbes " terraform " the body (so to speak) to make it more

habitable for themselves, in the same way that humans shape their living

environment, ants shape their living environment, crocodiles shape their living

environment, etc. For me, I think part of the reason metals come out without a

chelator because my genetic disorder is a big part of what causes me to hang on

to toxins and I have worked hard to reverse the chemical/nutritional and other

consequences that my genetic disorder causes. So my body works closer to

normal.

Anyway, should probably shut up before I get in too much trouble.

Later.

Michele