Re: Does anyone have an after round protocol?

[Guest guest]

Blair,

io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the wall

for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an idea.

Haven

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C protocol.

For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

Adrenal support

Yeast

but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up too

quickly.

This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly slowly slowly

over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved up we

would

see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like there is a

perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its just a

bit

so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever well

......maybe its not time.

We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still seeing

tremendous gains.

We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach the goal

of

the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for either of

you.

This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round hangover

cure.

If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast protocol

then

see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

Just a thought.

Simone

> Blair,

>

> io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the wall

> for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an idea.

>

> Haven

>

>

[Guest guest]

What are you doing for the adrenal support? I'm using adrenal cortex extract

66mg 2x/day. Not sure if that is enough. Deb

>

> Hi,

> We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C protocol.

> For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> Adrenal support

> Yeast

> but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up too

quickly.

> This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly slowly

slowly

> over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved up we

would

> see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like there is

a

> perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

> and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its just a

bit

> so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever well

......maybe its not time.

> We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

> We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still seeing

tremendous gains.

> We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach the

goal of

> the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for either of

you.

> This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round

hangover cure.

> If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast protocol

then

> see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> Just a thought.

> Simone

>

> > Blair,

> >

> > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the wall

> > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an idea.

> >

> > Haven

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the feedback, Simone. I'm going to increase and see how it goes.

He is 16yo, 134 lbs skin and bones, seems like he could take more than I'm

giving. Deb

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C

protocol.

> > > For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> > > Adrenal support

> > > Yeast

> > > but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up too

quickly.

> > > This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly slowly

slowly

> > > over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved up

we would

> > > see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like

there is a

> > > perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

> > > and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its just

a bit

> > > so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever well

......maybe its not time.

> > > We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

> > > We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still seeing

tremendous gains.

> > > We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach the

goal of

> > > the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for either

of you.

> > > This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round

hangover cure.

> > > If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast

protocol then

> > > see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> > > Just a thought.

> > > Simone

> > >

> > > > Blair,

> > > >

> > > > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the

wall

> > > > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an

idea.

> > > >

> > > > Haven

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Simone,

I completely understand what you are saying about the hangover effect with too

high a dose. My 10yo dd clearly fits into this scenario. Way too much adrenal

stress with even a 1mg increase in ALA. But, you know, she has always been a

very sensitive responder to supplements. We are on round 52, and she is still

just shy of the 1/8 mg/lb dose. I try desperately to get to this minimum dose,

but it just isn't worth it in terms of side effects. Any thoughts on

lower-than-low dose chelation?

>

> Hi,

> We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C protocol.

> For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> Adrenal support

> Yeast

> but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up too

quickly.

> This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly slowly

slowly

> over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved up we

would

> see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like there is

a

> perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

> and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its just a

bit

> so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever well

......maybe its not time.

> We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

> We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still seeing

tremendous gains.

> We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach the

goal of

> the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for either of

you.

> This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round

hangover cure.

> If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast protocol

then

> see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> Just a thought.

> Simone

>

> > Blair,

> >

> > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the wall

> > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an idea.

> >

> > Haven

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Simone,

Very interesting about cysteine and ALA, and the sulfur connection. I had never

heard that before. Maybe something to look into here. I will definitely look

into the archives. I was not very clear in my initial response. This is what I

meant about being a sensitive responder: she most always needs a lower dose of

supplements, meds, etc to be effective, and normal doses will cause side

effects. So for example with ACE, we had to start at a very low dose, probably

1/8th of a 250mg capsule, and slowly (over a month or 2) work up to a full

capsule. Too high of a dose would cause a lot of irritability. Now she takes

5caps/day, but again, it took a few months to get there. Food sensitivities are

to gluten, milk, peanuts. Used to have some trouble with eggs (which are high

sulfur, right?), but can tolerate 1-2/wk now.

We have done 4 rounds of DMSA, not consecutive. First 2 weeks (which were

consecutive) she got the flu. I stopped the DMSA and waited a few more weeks,

then did 2 more weeks with DMSA and she got sick again. She's not a kid who

gets a lot of illnesses (anymore); my fear is the DMSA is lowering her

neutrophils, so I cut it for a while.

Thanks so much for your help.

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C

protocol.

> > > For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> > > Adrenal support

> > > Yeast

> > > but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up too

quickly.

> > > This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly slowly

slowly

> > > over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved up

we would

> > > see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like

there is a

> > > perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

> > > and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its just

a bit

> > > so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever well

......maybe its not time.

> > > We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

> > > We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still seeing

tremendous gains.

> > > We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach the

goal of

> > > the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for either

of you.

> > > This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round

hangover cure.

> > > If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast

protocol then

> > > see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> > > Just a thought.

> > > Simone

> > >

> > > > Blair,

> > > >

> > > > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the

wall

> > > > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an

idea.

> > > >

> > > > Haven

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Simone,

> I completely understand what you are saying about the hangover effect with too

high a dose. My 10yo dd clearly fits into this scenario. Way too much adrenal

stress with even a 1mg increase in ALA. But, you know, she has always been a

very sensitive responder to supplements. We are on round 52, and she is still

just shy of the 1/8 mg/lb dose. I try desperately to get to this minimum dose,

but it just isn't worth it in terms of side effects. Any thoughts on

lower-than-low dose chelation?

>

>

>

I am not on a formal chelation protocol. It's clear to me that metals and other

toxins are coming out of my system. I have a genetic disorder and the basis for

everything that goes wrong with me is that there is a protein channel that is

deficient in my cells. It causes me to misprocess things and this causes

bottlenecks which create excesses of some things and deficiencies of others. I

have spent 10 years working on getting well. A few thoughts on stuff that has

helped me get around these bottlenecks/sensitivities, which may or may not apply

to your situation:

I have gone to great lengths to take external stressors off my system in order

to help optimize my body's ability to cope with cleaning up the mess inside my

tissues. For me, this included removing toxic household cleaners, particle

board furniture, paper/cardboard, and some other things from my home as much as

I possibly could. It was done gradually so my body could handle the change.

I read that if minerals (especially salt, which my body misprocesses) and PH

balance in the cell get way out of whack, it causes the body to mis-fold

proteins. In other words, when the body chemistry is too out of whack, it

actively creates the same issue my genetic disorder creates. Working on my PH

balance and the salt issue (in part because salt is a major thing with my

genetic disorder) and general nutritional deficiencies has helped my body

function closer to normal. I believe it does that in part by optimizing my

body's ability to create properly working channels of the type that it normally

messes up. I mean, my body may never be a " silk purse " but it's the best damn

" sow's ear " it can be, if that analogy makes sense.

I do a lot of stuff transdermally (through the skin). I am careful where I sit

at work, I put things in my bath water, etc. Skin is the largest organ of the

body and my gut doesn't work right. Absorbing helpful stuff through the skin

and avoiding/minimizing exposures to problem stuff has been really helpful to

me.

HTH and good luck.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

[Guest guest]

Reposting it and changing one word as it seems I tripped some profanity filter

and the message may not be available on the group because of it.

I actually swear like a sailor in person. I try to keep it out of my online

comments but don't always succeed. Oop.

Michele

>

> Hi Simone,

> I completely understand what you are saying about the hangover effect with too

high a dose. My 10yo dd clearly fits into this scenario. Way too much adrenal

stress with even a 1mg increase in ALA. But, you know, she has always been a

very sensitive responder to supplements. We are on round 52, and she is still

just shy of the 1/8 mg/lb dose. I try desperately to get to this minimum dose,

but it just isn't worth it in terms of side effects. Any thoughts on

lower-than-low dose chelation?

>

>

>

I am not on a formal chelation protocol. It's clear to me that metals and other

toxins are coming out of my system. I have a genetic disorder and the basis for

everything that goes wrong with me is that there is a protein channel that is

deficient in my cells. It causes me to misprocess things and this causes

bottlenecks which create excesses of some things and deficiencies of others. I

have spent 10 years working on getting well. A few thoughts on stuff that has

helped me get around these bottlenecks/sensitivities, which may or may not apply

to your situation:

I have gone to great lengths to take external stressors off my system in order

to help optimize my body's ability to cope with cleaning up the mess inside my

tissues. For me, this included removing toxic household cleaners, particle

board furniture, paper/cardboard, and some other things from my home as much as

I possibly could. It was done gradually so my body could handle the change.

I read that if minerals (especially salt, which my body misprocesses) and PH

balance in the cell get way out of whack, it causes the body to mis-fold

proteins. In other words, when the body chemistry is too out of whack, it

actively creates the same issue my genetic disorder creates. Working on my PH

balance and the salt issue (in part because salt is a major thing with my

genetic disorder) and general nutritional deficiencies has helped my body

function closer to normal. I believe it does that in part by optimizing my

body's ability to create properly working channels of the type that it normally

messes up. I mean, my body may never be a " silk purse " but it's the best darn

" sow's ear " it can be, if that analogy makes sense.

I do a lot of stuff transdermally (through the skin). I am careful where I sit

at work, I put things in my bath water, etc. Skin is the largest organ of the

body and my gut doesn't work right. Absorbing helpful stuff through the skin

and avoiding/minimizing exposures to problem stuff has been really helpful to

me.

HTH and good luck.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks Michele - You gave me a good laugh! I don't see any profanities and

appreciate that you're a straight-shooter.

We have been slowly trying to detox our environment. I am working on household

cleaners, soaps, laundry det, etc. I know there is so much more, and it can be

overwhelming sometimes. Also, hard to know what is going on with her internally

as well, i.e. what specifically is malfunctioning in her body. How did you

determine that your problem was with low sodium, unbalanced pH, etc?

> >

> > Hi Simone,

> > I completely understand what you are saying about the hangover effect with

too high a dose. My 10yo dd clearly fits into this scenario. Way too much

adrenal stress with even a 1mg increase in ALA. But, you know, she has always

been a very sensitive responder to supplements. We are on round 52, and she is

still just shy of the 1/8 mg/lb dose. I try desperately to get to this minimum

dose, but it just isn't worth it in terms of side effects. Any thoughts on

lower-than-low dose chelation?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> I am not on a formal chelation protocol. It's clear to me that metals and

other toxins are coming out of my system. I have a genetic disorder and the

basis for everything that goes wrong with me is that there is a protein channel

that is deficient in my cells. It causes me to misprocess things and this causes

bottlenecks which create excesses of some things and deficiencies of others. I

have spent 10 years working on getting well. A few thoughts on stuff that has

helped me get around these bottlenecks/sensitivities, which may or may not apply

to your situation:

>

> I have gone to great lengths to take external stressors off my system in order

to help optimize my body's ability to cope with cleaning up the mess inside my

tissues. For me, this included removing toxic household cleaners, particle

board furniture, paper/cardboard, and some other things from my home as much as

I possibly could. It was done gradually so my body could handle the change.

>

> I read that if minerals (especially salt, which my body misprocesses) and PH

balance in the cell get way out of whack, it causes the body to mis-fold

proteins. In other words, when the body chemistry is too out of whack, it

actively creates the same issue my genetic disorder creates. Working on my PH

balance and the salt issue (in part because salt is a major thing with my

genetic disorder) and general nutritional deficiencies has helped my body

function closer to normal. I believe it does that in part by optimizing my

body's ability to create properly working channels of the type that it normally

messes up. I mean, my body may never be a " silk purse " but it's the best darn

" sow's ear " it can be, if that analogy makes sense.

>

> I do a lot of stuff transdermally (through the skin). I am careful where I

sit at work, I put things in my bath water, etc. Skin is the largest organ of

the body and my gut doesn't work right. Absorbing helpful stuff through the

skin and avoiding/minimizing exposures to problem stuff has been really helpful

to me.

>

> HTH and good luck.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.com

> http://www.kidslikemine.com

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing your story Simone. It is always helpful for me to hear other

people's experiences. How old is your daughter? How many rounds of chelation

are you at?

I did a little research on sulfur/high thiol foods and supplements in the

meantime. Maybe something I should explore, but honestly, I can't imagine

eliminating yet more foods from our diet at this point. I think I will try to

watch for reactions after she eats some of the high thiol foods. I also saw

that molybdenum can be helpful - will maybe add that in and see if there are any

changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > > We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C

protocol.

> > > > > For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> > > > > Adrenal support

> > > > > Yeast

> > > > > but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up

too quickly.

> > > > > This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly

slowly slowly

> > > > > over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved

up we would

> > > > > see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like

there is a

> > > > > perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

> > > > > and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its

just a bit

> > > > > so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever

well .....maybe its not time.

> > > > > We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

> > > > > We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still

seeing tremendous gains.

> > > > > We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach

the goal of

> > > > > the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for

either of you.

> > > > > This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round

hangover cure.

> > > > > If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast

protocol then

> > > > > see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> > > > > Just a thought.

> > > > > Simone

> > > > >

> > > > > > Blair,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off

the wall

> > > > > > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with

an idea.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Haven

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks Michele - You gave me a good laugh! I don't see any profanities and

appreciate that you're a straight-shooter.

I changed the offending word to " darn " ( " best darn sow's ear... " ).

>

> How did you determine that your problem was with low sodium, unbalanced pH,

etc?

>

The PH thing started with an online conversation with someone with rheumatoid

arthritis who commented on modifying diet to reduce acidity so as to reduce need

for anti-inflammatory drugs. I was having a miserable day and debating whether

or not to take yet more medication and after chatting online with this person, I

jumped up and put baking soda in a glass of water, drank some of it and got

instant relief for the lung inflammation that was making me think about taking

yet more meds. From there, I did lots more research. It turns out that Cystic

Fibrosis is basically an inflammatory condition, it is well known that people

with CF are typically waaay too acid, controlling inflammation in people with CF

is proven to reduce incidence of infection...etc...etc....and then I tripped

across the info about acidity and such causing proteins to misfold. As I

understand it, most genetic disorders involve a misfolded/miscoded protein. So

I am kind of guessing your child may have either some inherent (unrecognized)

mild genetic disorder OR is so toxic that the body chemistry is causing the

types of problems typical of genetic disorders by causing proteins to misfold

and thus causing bottlenecks because there aren't enough channels into and out

of the cells to process stuff efficiently. But that's a very BIG, BIG guess.

However, if what you really wanted to know with your question was how to

determine something like that for your child, some folks on this list have used

PH strips to test saliva and/or urine.

The salt issue is very well established as a problem for my genetic disorder. It

is so well established that people with CF purge salt at high rates that the

most common test for CF is a 'sweat chloride' test -- ie they test just how

salty your sweat is. To apply it to your situation, I would look for symptoms,

like adrenal stress, that indicate salt and/or other minerals are deficient.

HTH and good luck.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

[Guest guest]

Nothing wrong with ultra low doses. My son was on 1-2 mg of ALA forever it

seems- one day he just tolerated more and a little more and a little more. Etc.

Do not push it- I tried and we had adrenal issues. We pushed the DMSA dose to

the outer limits and ended up with low neutrophils. It's not about the dose per

se- these are guidelines- use a dose that gets the job done with the least

amount of side effects. After 124 rounds, I have made my peace with that. Not to

worry ! I as an adult after 2 years am just at a little over 1/8 mg- and it

is still working for me too.

Irene

> >

> > Hi,

> > We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C protocol.

> > For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> > Adrenal support

> > Yeast

> > but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up too

quickly.

> > This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly slowly

slowly

> > over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved up we

would

> > see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like there

is a

> > perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

> > and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its just

a bit

> > so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever well

......maybe its not time.

> > We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

> > We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still seeing

tremendous gains.

> > We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach the

goal of

> > the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for either of

you.

> > This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round

hangover cure.

> > If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast

protocol then

> > see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> > Just a thought.

> > Simone

> >

> > > Blair,

> > >

> > > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the

wall

> > > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an

idea.

> > >

> > > Haven

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Haven- that amount of adrenals support is not a lot and you could probably use

more. We worked our way up to six 250mg caps a day. No toxic amounts of the

stuff. Like night and day when my son has enough on board. Also stimminess could

be yeast too. GSE made my son twice as stimmy. (he is skow phase 1 as am I, gse

makes me feel weird and faint) He could not tolerate it as an antifungal. Just

throwing it out there. There are lots of good natural anti fungals out there.

Make sure your chelator dose is low enough too, don't push it. Epsom salt baths

post round and extra C, E and ACE akways helped here post round. After a while,

this post round stuff gets better and goes away. At round 124 we very rarely

have major post round issues- if we do get stimminess - either extra ACE or an

antifungal helps.

Irene

>

> My son is getting 125 mg of GSE a day (divided in two doses) along with

> d-biotin at 1000mcg twice a day, given when he takes the GSE.

>

> He is on 50 mg of Thorne ACE twice a day. He also takes all the regular

> supps for AC Protocol. We divided things up into four times a day. He gets

> his probiotics at noon and bedtime (about four hours away from the GSE).

>

> We are on round twelve, and there has been a lot more stimming/finger

> flicking on this round and more hyperactivity where he runs down the hall

> and throws himself up against the door.

>

> On the othr hand, he is more with it. His auditory processing is much

> better.

>

> Am I giving enough ACE, GSE, and biotin? I don't know how to tell if this

> is adrenal (I usual know if he is weepy, anxious, or clingy) This could be

> yeast or it could be just metals moving around, so I am wondering if I

> should be doing something else off round to help mop up anything floating

> around?

>

> The stimming is worrisome to me.

>

> Haven

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

>

> We have always just used lots of Himalayan sea salt and no iodized table salt.

Its great a no guilt way to have lots of salt/mineral and its good for you.

> Any other suggestions?

If you haven't already, you could try Celtic to see if it does anything more for

you. Also, I found that taking glyconutrients and coconut oil with the sea salt

had a synergistic effect -- had a much bigger impact than any of them alone.

These days, I routinely make a healthy carb with sea salt and organic butter.

The right carbs/glyconutrients and the right fats/oils taken with or consumed

with sea salt seem to make the salt absorb better. I have found that when I am

desperately in need of salt and can't just make myself take more, getting it

with the right carbs and fats increases my ability to take it and absorb it

properly.

>

> As for the Ph my gal has always been higlhy acidic but we have had some

success with using LiverLIfe - lots of milk thistle

> and drinking organic lemon juice ( use acidic to make the tummy alkaline)

followed by a xylitol rinse for the teeth so that they are not

> covered i the lemon juice acid)

I ate lots and lots of lettuce, corn (especially white corn, though I don't know

why that is my preference), and watermelon. I also ate granny smith apples

fairly often. As I understand it, other apples are high phenol, which I do

poorly with but any apples should help with PH. (If phenol is not an issue,

cucumbers and celery are also good -- I stuck with lettuce so much because I

don't tolerate cucumbers and celery that well.) We also drink apple juice and

lots of other juices. If there are indications of deficiencies of alkaline

minerals, like calcium or magnesium, treat them. I also keep (diet) tonic water

in the house at all times. We use it for cooking some and as a non-toxic

cleaner these days. I used to drink it fairly often. I still sometimes use it

topically, like to treat my ears.

If you haven't seen it before, there is a little info on my website under the PH

balance section: http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml Generally speaking, newer

info is going on the blog these days. The main site isn't updated as much.

Well, it's like 1:30 AM here. Let me know if I missed something.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks Irene. This makes me feel so much better, because I know you have been

at this for a long while, and have had very good results. I have been told we

really should try to get to the minimum required dose, and I agree with this,

but I can't keep on top of what I think is adrenal stress, even with a 1mg

increase in ALA. She does OK with a 5.8mg dose and I will keep it there for a

while and try to increase again later. I was hoping to not still be chelating 5

yrs later, esp b/c she is just about to turn 11 and I'm not sure how long I will

have control over this, but I can only do what I can do at this point. I really

appreciate your input!

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C

protocol.

> > > For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> > > Adrenal support

> > > Yeast

> > > but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose up too

quickly.

> > > This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly slowly

slowly

> > > over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we moved up

we would

> > > see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems like

there is a

> > > perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not enough

gains...too much adrenal

> > > and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and its

just a bit

> > > so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose forever well

......maybe its not time.

> > > We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the hangover

frequently.

> > > We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still seeing

tremendous gains.

> > > We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to reach the

goal of

> > > the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for either

of you.

> > > This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our round

hangover cure.

> > > If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your yeast

protocol then

> > > see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> > > Just a thought.

> > > Simone

> > >

> > > > Blair,

> > > >

> > > > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is off the

wall

> > > > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies with an

idea.

> > > >

> > > > Haven

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

So great to have such huge improvements. I feel we have come such a long way

too, and I would like to keep it going. For a while I never thought our lives

would look " normal " but we are getting closer and closer to that, and I'm loving

it!

I can guess that you have probably spent every waking minute trying to figure

out how to help your girl. I always think that parents of NT children have

absolutely no clue how much more we do as parents of non-NT kids.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > We have been successfully plugging away for a few years at the A/C

protocol.

> > > > > > > For my daughter ( now 7 years old round 103 - 55lbs)

> > > > > > > Adrenal support

> > > > > > > Yeast

> > > > > > > but what really did it was making sure we were not moving the dose

up too quickly.

> > > > > > > This is a gal that had to start at 1-3 mgs . We have moved slowly

slowly slowly

> > > > > > > over the years and have had tremendous gains. Many times when we

moved up we would

> > > > > > > see this few day hangover. Trust me we moved up slowly. It seems

like there is a

> > > > > > > perfect spot to be..sitting right on the fence...too little not

enough gains...too much adrenal

> > > > > > > and hangovers. Even if logic seems to say its okay to move up and

its just a bit

> > > > > > > so it should not be a problem and you have been at the dose

forever well .....maybe its not time.

> > > > > > > We had slowly worked our way up to 25 mgs. I was seeing the

hangover frequently.

> > > > > > > We popped back down to 12 mgs and the hangover is gone but still

seeing tremendous gains.

> > > > > > > We don't have to reach the goal of the maximum amount we have to

reach the goal of

> > > > > > > the correct amount for right now. Not saying this is the case for

either of you.

> > > > > > > This is not the case for everyone but it really seemed to be our

round hangover cure.

> > > > > > > If you have adrenal support and your feel confident about your

yeast protocol then

> > > > > > > see if you offer a lower dose and you still get this hangover.

> > > > > > > Just a thought.

> > > > > > > Simone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blair,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > io am wondering this too. My son is very hyper and stimming is

off the wall

> > > > > > > > for about two to three days off-round. I hope someone replies

with an idea.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Haven

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Haven,

We have had good response to emulsified oil of oregano. GSE was nasty here even

w no phenol; much more than what I thought 'die-off' should be. IgG testing down

the road a bit showed a big allergic response to grapefruit and other citrus.

>>

> let me know of other natural yeast fighters. I might want to take him off

> the GSE and try the other. He was on all kinds of anti-fungals at one time

> or another. I think the prescription ones quite working long ago, and I was

> not happy about him being on those long term.

>

> Thanks for all your help,

>

> Haven

>

>

>