Re: Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link 'an absolute lie'

[Guest guest]

What else can he believe? His charitable foundation does vaccinations! What

would one do if he discovered he invested billions of dollars in an error?

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From: michele_in_california <talithamichele@...>

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 7:31:04 AM

Subject: [ ] Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link 'an absolute lie'

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Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in

both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who

need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9

million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in

parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get the

coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we

only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to

reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the

stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent

data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the

journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection

whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed

thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't

have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are

dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts --

you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these

vaccines are important.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/03/gupta.gates.vaccines.world.health/

[Guest guest]

Both positions are rational.

Even if it were established and accepted by the medical community that vaccines

raise the risk of autism, I think most rational parents in third world

countries, assuming they were informed of the risks, would take the .001% risk

of autism and vaccinate their children vs. the 10% (or higher) risk of death

from no vaccination. I would.

This situation reminds me of when the US pushes child labor laws on developing

countries without companion social support programs and networks. We say " child

labor bad, you stop " . We imagine a child who is not forced by economic

circumstances to work in a factory will spend his or her time in school, or at

home, but the reality is that the child has no better alternatives, so they turn

to the streets, gangs, child prostitution, and early death. That job was their

better alternative.

I am all for child labor laws and safe vaccines, but if you promote them you

must also be willing to pay the true costs of implementation.

Bottom line: Bill Gates' perspective is rational, and so is yours. The gap is

filled by the different realities each of you face.

I guess I'm playing devil's advocate this morning...

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both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who

need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9

million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in

parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get the

coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we

only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to

reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the

stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

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> Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent

data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the

journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection

whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed

thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't

have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are

dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts --

you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these

vaccines are important.

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[Guest guest]

And doing it well too! I spent a number of years in 3rd world countries and

have seen cholera and yellow fever decimate areas. Ive also seen where vaccines

reduced the number of illness and death.

Better sanitation, clean water and better overall living conditions would go a

long way in preventing these outbreaks, but in alot of these countries,

govenments arent exactly interested in improving thier peoples lot in life.

Makes it harder to stay in power.

Karla

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in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children

who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about

9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things

in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get

the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we

only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to

reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the

stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

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> > Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent

data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the

journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection

whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed

thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't

have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are

dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts --

you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these

vaccines are important.

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What a complete moron this guy is. Really, it is shocking that he was even successful. He is telling lies himself. From: "wharrison@..." <wharrison@...>"Vaccinations@groups" <Vaccinations >; AVN <AVN >Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 2:57:53 PMSubject: Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link 'an absolute lie'

(http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/03/gupta.gates.vaccines.world.health/index.html?hpt=Sbin#)

"Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield...it's an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children..."

Really? Which children died--and what was their state of health? And what about those who didn't get the vaccine and DIDN'T die? And what does pertussis have to do with it? What an idiot. You have to watch the video to see him smiling intermittently--even when talking about children dying!

Oh, this is great:

"Gupta: You have talked about Afghanistan, Pakistan and the polio vaccine, and you've said that doing this, the vaccination campaign, can help stabilize a war-torn region like this.

Gates: What you are seeing is that the density in the poor areas is greater than they can grow the food, greater than they can educate, greater than they can provide jobs. So you create these hot spots of instability. So even if all you care about is national security, these health things are a very cheap way to make sure you are not going to have turmoil that would eventually affect the whole world."

"These health things?" How is vaccination helping them grow food, or provide education and jobs?

Gates: "why should rich kids -- who barely get these diseases and almost never die of them -- why should they get the vaccines, when poor kids, who actually do die from these diseases, don't get those things?"

Rich/poor. Good diet/bad diet. Clean water/dirty water. NOT vaccines/no vaccines. What a jerk.

Winnie

Winnie

[Guest guest]

I don't see how " ugh " is a 'position'. I don't think the link between vaccines

and autism 'an absolute lie'. That's part of what makes me go " ugh " . That kind

of sweeping generalization and negative characterization is typically not

rational.

Sorry to post it here. I figured this group would be interested. Bill Gates is

quite influential and I know many people here worry a great deal about vaccines

being made mandatory. I just thought I would forward it as it seemed relevant

to concerns people on this list have.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

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in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children

who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about

9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things

in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get

the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we

only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to

reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the

stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

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data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the

journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection

whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed

thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't

have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are

dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts --

you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these

vaccines are important.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, yes, it is interesting, which is why I posted.

I don't know much about the issue...and you didn't inform me..so I wewnt with

what I know. I know my state (CA) has for many years allowed parents to opt out

of " mandatory " vaccines. I think I heard a few states (maybe in the South?)

require it. Perhaps that's the kind of thing that fuels tea party-esque

sentiments...I don't know...it doesn't happen here, and neither does the tea

party (not much, anyway).

I know some parents are convinced vaccines can cause autism. I know the Lancet

retracted some (maybe THE) research that backed this up. I know " science " (even

The Lancet) is not immune to social pressures. I know (suspect, really) this is

a huge blow to the vaccines-cause-autism movement. I know mistakes in method do

not necessarily invalidate an entire study, but without reading the study all I

can say is " I don't know " . I know non-vaccinated children benefit from the

vaccinations of others, and that public sentiment will probably quickly turn

against them if their free riding leads to an outbreak that causes harm or

deaths.

If I were a parent who did not vaccinate my child because I believe there is a

link between vaccines and autism, I would want to somehow encourage or fund or

lobby for studies that sought to answer this question once and for all. I would

do this because I know that as soon as the public perceives that children are

dying because they are not being vaccinated, or that diseases like Polio are on

the verge of making a comeback, the world will probably change for me and my

options will diminish.

Bill Gates was technically correct in his statement. I understand why someone

who disagrees with him - perhaps a parent, or someone who thinks they were

negatively impacted by a vaccination - would say " ugh " . But you're right...you

did not back up your position, and provided no information. I responded by

stating what I know

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made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the

children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year

from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do

three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm

and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the

vaccines -- and we only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have

all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and

everything -- the stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

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fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake

paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no

connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that

has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of

them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their

children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those

anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad

thing, because these vaccines are important.

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Oh, I can't say I really know much about the issue either. I mostly put in the

" ugh " so this list wouldn't interpret the post as " flame baiting " /trolling or

some such -- ie some person who joined to piss all over the generally negative

views of vaccines held by most folks here. My oldest got all his childhood

shots. My youngest didn't get his last shot. Both still live with me but are,

in fact, legal adults. So it is no longer my decision whether or not to

vaccinate them further. It is theirs. They have much stronger anti-vax opinions

than I have. I don't really expect to have another child, so have never really

thought too much about my " position " as to whether or not I would vaccinate a

child again in the future.

I believe a big part of the ASD issues my kids have is rooted in my zillion and

one amalgam fillings. I really don't know if vaccines played a part for them.

But I am uncomfortable with the idea of it being mandated by government. I was

slow to come around in terms of viewing vaccines as a bad thing. When I was

first diagnosed with CF, I got my annual flu vax. But everyone helping me get

well when the world claimed it could not be done (including this list) held

strong anti-vax opinions. So at some point I stopped getting my annual flu

shot. I think I am better off without it. Frequent vaccines are common in the

CF community, along with boatloads of antibiotics and other drugs. I have

worked hard to get off all that stuff. I think I need maneuvering room to have

any hope of keeping myself well and I do worry that such things might get

mandated and there would be no reasoning with them that my non-drug alternatives

are effective. For me, the possibility of being criminalized for trying to stay

genuinely well (instead of the life long drug addict conventional medicine would

like me to be) is one of my worst nightmares.

Anyway, probably shouldn't bother posting about such things. My views on the

topic do not go over well with anyone, whether they are pro-vax or anti-vax. :-/

Later.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

[Guest guest]

Yes, Yes, Yes--vaccinations are great if you are not the family that is

affected--have a nice day

From: wiersmak <wiersmak@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link 'an absolute lie'

Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 11:41 AM

 

And doing it well too! I spent a number of years in 3rd world countries

and have seen cholera and yellow fever decimate areas. Ive also seen where

vaccines reduced the number of illness and death.

Better sanitation, clean water and better overall living conditions would go a

long way in preventing these outbreaks, but in alot of these countries,

govenments arent exactly interested in improving thier peoples lot in life.

Makes it harder to stay in power.

Karla

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in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children

who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about

9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things

in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get

the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we

only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to

reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the

stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

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data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the

journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection

whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed

thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't

have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are

dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts --

you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these

vaccines are important.

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[Guest guest]

Bill Gates rational? The company he founded is one of the few besides Standard

oil to be convicted of violating the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. His warped view of

intellectual property is not about truly helping the world, and more about

helping his large investments in Pharmacutical companies.

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in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children

who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about

9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things

in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get

the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we

only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to

reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the

stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

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data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the

journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection

whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed

thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't

have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are

dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts --

you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these

vaccines are important.

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[Guest guest]

I didnt say they were great. Nor that I agreed with Mr Gates.

My son has also been affected by vaccines, so Im not speaking as someone who

doesnt know what its like. I just believe that its not a simple black or white

issue, all vaccines are bad all the time. You can choose to believe differently

and thats fine by me.

You have a nice day too.

Karla

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children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year

from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do

three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm

and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the

vaccines -- and we only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have

all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and

everything -- the stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

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paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no

connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that

has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of

them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their

children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those

anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad

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[Guest guest]

Wakefied isn't against vaccines so much as for an intelligent and just

application of the intervention (that I have gathered from his statements so

far) It does seem that Bill Gates is not so much for justice, though, (in that

respect?) but for the forces that purport to be for the common good of politics,

(me thinks, that grants him license?) that they aren't individuals themselves

promoting themselves by as much where some would be expended, and dare I say

abused in that respect. The question remains, how much good including good works

justifies doing what isn't so intelligent (read competent) and just? If I save

1,000 lives does it justify my murdering or ignoring one? I believe not.

I don't believe Bill Gates has a good grasp of the matter of justice and how

justice works for the common good. To wit, he has not been fair in his

characterization of Wakefield as based on the specific facts, (that I've

read below) that where it comes to generalities Bill Gates isn't about profiting

exceptional based on the common good, read the abuses of politics, which I can

elborate on if you'd like

The lastest on the fraud charge exonerating Wakefield and implicating the

British medical establishment, and the media, and whatever else is so political

compromised (read abusive) as in cahoots, follows, for balance, (that the fraud

would not solely be Wakefield's alone if at all) that we here aren't primary for

the truth of understanding more over everything else for what we should be doing

so fair and reasonable as for our own by as much, but I would like to assure you

I am by as much, that anything else should matter.

By the way, I think we are primary on the right track by being so concerned as

we are by as much, so keep up the good work in that respect.. . pissing or

whatever you think of as much

I believe it was Walter Cronkite who said that a democracy doesn't need

agreement at all. What democracy needs is *participation,* (So CNN, here me

out?) and I would add, especially the participation inherent to communication,

(as we get it? of getting it, delivered, and not censored) that that isn't what

primarily represents, (governs? controls, controls so reasonably) that we would

be represented and treated so intelligently and justly as we can be, by as much,

that any other choice/s should matter, to understandingmore.

Yeah, I'm thinking our language (and education) is inadequate otherwise (Do you

have a problem with that?!.):

(NaturalNews) New documents have emerged that clear Dr Wakefield of the

allegations of fraud recently made by the British Medical Journal and its

reporter Deer. This new evidence " completely negates the allegations that

I committed scientific

fraud. Deer and Dr. Godlee of the British Medical Journal (BMJ) knew or

should

have known about the facts set out below before publishing their false

allegations, " says Dr Wakefield (see sources, below).

Newly-revealed documents show that on December 20th, 1996, a meeting of The

Inflammatory Bowel Disease Study Group based at the Royal Free Hospital Medical

School featured a presentation by Professor - on seven of the

children who would later become part of the group of patients Dr Wakefield wrote

about in his 1998 The Lancet paper (which was later retracted by The Lancet).

Remember, Dr Wakefield has been accused of completely fabricating his findings

about these same children in his 1998 paper, but these documents reveal that

fourteen months before Dr Wakefield's paper was published, two other researchers

-- Professor - and Dr Amar Dhillon -- independently documented the

same problems in these children, including symptoms of autism.

Thus, Dr Wakefield could not have " fabricated " these findings as alleged by the

British Medical Journal, which now finds itself in the position of needing to

issue a retraction, or it must now expand its accusations of fraud to include

Professor - and Dr Dhillon... essentially, the BMJ must now insist

that a " conspiracy of fraud " existed among at least these three researchers, and

possibly more, in order to back up its allegation that Dr Wakefield's study

results were fabricated.

The smoking-gun evidence

Professor -'s 1996 presentation at the Royal Free Hospital Medical

School was entitled, " Entero-colitis and Disintegrative Disorder Following MMR -

A Review of the First Seven Cases. "

His presentation notes began with the following text: " " I wish today, to present

some preliminary details concerning seven children, all boys, who appear to have

entero-colitis and disintegrative disorder, probably autism, following MMR. I

shall now briefly present

their case history [sic]. "

He then went on to detail the clinical history of these seven children as

derived from his medical team as well as senior pathologist Dr Amar Dhillon.

Importantly, Dr Wakefield was not part of this investigation. This means

that Dr Wakefield's findings were independently replicated by another medical

research team.

The British Medical Journal's accusations against Dr Wakefield -- that he

fabricated his findings -- are therefore false. The mainstream media accusation

that Dr Wakefield's findings have " never been replicated " is also blatantly

false.

Here are the notes on the seven children, as presented in 1996, 14 months BEFORE

Dr Wakefield published his landmark paper in The Lancet:

Child 1. Immediate reaction to MMR with fever at 1 [corrected, illegible]

Rapid deterioration in behaviour - autism

Histology active chronic inflammation in caecum

Treated Asacol

INDETERMINATE COLITIS** (1)

Child 2. MMR at 15 months - head banging 2 weeks later.

Hyperactive from 18 months.

Endoscopy - aphthoid ulcer at hepatic flexure

Caecum: lymphoid nodular hyperplasia with erythematous rim and pale swollen

core.

Histology, Ileum mild inflammation, colon moderate inflammation

Acute and chronic inflammation.

Treated CT3211 [a dietary treatment]

INDETERMINATE COLITIS** ? CROHN'S DISEASE

Child 3. ? dysmorphism - chromosomes and normal development

MMR at 5 months [sic]

Measles at 2.5 years* - 1 month later change in behavior

Hyperactive with food

Colonoscopy - granular rectum, normal colon and lymphoid nodular

hyperplasia.

Histopathology: lymphoid nodular hyperplasia.

Increased eosinophils 5/5 mild increase in inflammatory cells (Dhillon)

Routine normal

LYMPHOID NODULAR HYPERPLASIA

INDETERMINATE COLITIS**

[* correction: he received measles vaccine first at approximately 15 months of

age and MMR at 2.5. years]

Child 4 (2). Reacted to triple vaccine 4 months - screaming and near cot death

(DPT)

MMR at 15 months - behaviour changed after 1 week.

" measles rash " week before

Endoscopy - minor abnormalities of vascular pattern

Histology - non-specific proctocolitis**

Treated

INDETERMINTE PROCTOCOLITIS

LYMPHOID NODULAR HYPERPLASIA

Child 5 (3). MMR at 14 months.

Second day after, fever and rash, bangs head and behaviour abnormal

thereafter.

Endoscopy - Lymphoid nodular hyperplasia

Histopathology: Marked increase in IEL's [intraepithelial lymphocytes] in ileum

with chronic inflammatory cells in reactive follicles. Increase in inflammatory

cells in colon and IELs increased.

LYMPHOID NODULAR HYPERPLASIA

INDETERMINATE COLITIS

Child 6 (7). MMR - 16 months - no obvious reaction

2 years behavioral change - 2.5 years

Screaming attacks - / food related

Endoscopy - Lymphoid nodular hyperplasia terminal ileum

Histology - Prominent lymphoid follicles

Dhillon: moderate to marked increase in IEL's, increase in chronic inflammatory

cells throughout the colon - superficial macrophages not quite granuloma

INDTERMINATE COLITIS

Child 78. MMR 14 months

16 months " growling voice "

18 months - behavioural changes - autism diagnosed at 3 years

Barium [follow through X ray] 5 cm tight stricture [proximal] to insertion of

terminal ileum

Endoscopy- prominent lymphoid follicle in ileum

Mild proctitis with granular mucosa

Histology

Ileum - reactive follicles

Colon - bifid forms, increased IEL's

Slight increase in inflammatory cells

INDETERMINATE COLITIS

? CROHN'S DISEASE

NOTES:

(1) Inflammation that is not diagnostic of either Crohn's disease or ulcerative

colitis

(2) Child 6 in The Lancet paper. The chronological order was corrected for the

final Lancet paper.

(3) Child 3 in The Lancet paper

BMJ caught in its own fraud

These documents reveal that the British Medical Journal has been caught in its

own fraud for willfully ignoring this evidence, which was presented to it long

before its recent publication of Deer's article calling Dr Wakefield a

fraud.

The BMJ willfully ignored this evidence and simply decided to destroy Dr

Wakefield's professional reputation by any means necessary. As Dr Wakefield

explains:

" In allowing itself to become the vehicle for Deer's particular brand of

journalism; in circumventing the process of due diligence in its enthusiasm to

" kill the beast " , the BMJ has taken a huge risk. As the document presented above

shows, this was a mistake. Medicine, presented with the possibility of an

iatrogenic catastrophe, has boarded a dissonant bandwagon and has gone after

those who have concerns - genuine concerns - that childhood vaccines may be

responsible, at least in part, for the autism epidemic. The relevant science has

been grossly misrepresented, crushed beneath the wheels of a Public Relations

16-wheeler that is out of control. In the meantime a relentless tsunami of

damaged children claims this land. "

Deer caught as a liar

It has also been revealed that journalist Deer, the author of the BMJ

article condemning Dr Wakefield as a fraud, is himself a liar. In attempting to

gather evidence for his article in the BMJ, he lied about his identity and

entered the home of one of the parents of the autism children. Specifically, he

claimed he was working for The Sunday Times even though he was never a Sunday

Times employee.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of the outright deception that has been used

by the BMJ and Deer in their attempt to silence a doctor whose only

" crime " was publicly expressing concern about the safety of MMR vaccines.

That the BMJ and its writer Deer have now been caught ignoring evidence

and engaging in their own fraud gives credence to the idea that MMR vaccines

may, indeed, not only be dangerous; but that they may be so dangerous that the

top medical journals have to lie about the facts in order to protect them.

What's clear here is that the BMJ has strayed so far from the realm of

evidence-based scientific thinking that it can no longer be called a reputable

medical journal at all. Its callous disregard for the truth -- and its

politically-motivated witch hunt against a researcher who only sought to protect

the health of children -- exposes it as a danger to the scientific community and

the world of conventional medicine.

As this truth unfolds, these revelations will rock the medical world and expose

these science journals as the frauds they truly are. Think about this: While

these medical journals are taking money from vaccine manufacturers (who pay

their ads), they are ignoring any scientific evidence they don't like in order

to vilify anyone who threatens the profits of these very same vaccine companies!

And yet, these medical journals never admit that their very existence depends on

the financial flow of money from these vaccine manufacturers who are strongly

impacted by their editorial decisions!

There is fraud taking place in the vaccine industry today, of course, and the

medical journals are the point men who push their distorted disinformation into

the minds of doctors, journalists and anyone they can reach with their

scientific distortions. At stake is the future of the vaccine industry, which is

of course a multi-billion-dollar industry that thrives on misinformation and the

ongoing scientific censorship of the facts surrounding the health risks posed by

vaccines.

Read the book Callous Disregard

Dr Wakefield is the author of Callous Disregard, the book that exposes

the truth behind conventional medicine's political witch hunt. The book is sold

everywhere, including Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Callous-Disre...

Sources for this story include:

http://www.vaccinesafetyfirst.com/p...

Learn more:

http://www.naturalnews.com/031116_Dr__Wakefield_British_Medical_Journal.ht\

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> ugh:

>

>

>

> Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in

both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who

need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9

million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in

parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get the

coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we

only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to

reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the

stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

>

> Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent

data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the

journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection

whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed

thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't

have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are

dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts --

you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these

vaccines are important.

>

>

> http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/03/gupta.gates.vaccines.world.health/

>

I would rather see Bill Gates putting his money in the service of justness,

(including with the application of vaccines) that we would have so much of

anything so meaningful at all.. .

BWT

[Guest guest]

And if anyone really feels the need to vomit over this article go read some of

the interesting views and comments at this articles posting on slashdot.org.

> > >

> > > ugh:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be

made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the

children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year

from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do

three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm

and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the

vaccines -- and we only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have

all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and

everything -- the stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

> > >

> > > Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely

fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake

paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no

connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that

has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of

them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their

children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those

anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad

thing, because these vaccines are important.

> > >

> > >

> > >

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/03/gupta.gates.vaccines.world.health/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I, too, play Devil's advocate at times, but I also think of these children

in these third-world, war torn countries, whose families may have to run for

their lives -- may have to hide. How easy is it going to be to hide for

your life with a stimming child in tow?. What do you think happens to the

child then?

I go back to the idea that providing clean water, food, and sanitation in

these areas could go a long way to improving the health and well being of

all children. Try as we might, we will NEVER be able to eradicate disease,

and uh.... I'm still waiting for them to come up with a safe malaria vaccine

--Malaria kills more children world-wide than all the other childhood

diseases combined, but it doesn't kill children in the US where there are

parents who can pay the $$$ to make it worthwhile to market a vaccine.

Therefore -- no profit no malaria vaccine.

If you squelch chicken pox, rubella, measles.... on an on... there is going

to be another disease to take its place, only, I believe vaccinated immune

systems will be less able to adapt and overcome what develops.

But again, in these countries as with every where else, freedom of choice is

key. I would always weigh the risks versus the benefits. If certain death

is on one side and possible autism on the other, it's a no brainier. I

mean, if my kid is bit by a rabid animal tomorrow -- it is a scary choice

but he's going to get the shots.

Now if it is a cut and they want to give a tetanus -- I am not so amenable

to that, but I will cross that bridge if it ever happens.

But clean water, food, air, and sanitation is a better way to go. there is

just no profit in that though.

[Guest guest]

They kill children? What an ass! Many say, that HE, Bill Gates in his

program actually is involved in trying to control the population via

vaccines causing sterility. I know I have never before in my life seen so

many people having trouble conceiving.

It is all so easy for him to say. It didn't happen to HIS kid, and even it

it did, he could afford everything the child needed. It's a much different

view from down here in the reall world, bub.

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele,

Although I am a new member on this board but I totally agree with you and can't

be any happier about your posting. Please feel free to post any links, articles

or personal views regarding this issue. People need to learn more about the

potential disaster once the government takes away our parental/personal rights

on vaccines.

Thanks for stirring the pot

April

[ ] Re: Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link 'an absolute

lie'

>

> Yes, yes, it is interesting, which is why I posted.

>

> I don't know much about the issue...

Oh, I can't say I really know much about the issue either. I mostly put in the

" ugh " so this list wouldn't interpret the post as " flame baiting " /trolling or

some such -- ie some person who joined to piss all over the generally negative

views of vaccines held by most folks here. My oldest got all his childhood

shots. My youngest didn't get his last shot. Both still live with me but are, in

fact, legal adults. So it is no longer my decision whether or not to vaccinate

them further. It is theirs. They have much stronger anti-vax opinions than I

have. I don't really expect to have another child, so have never really thought

too much about my " position " as to whether or not I would vaccinate a child

again in the future.

I believe a big part of the ASD issues my kids have is rooted in my zillion

and one amalgam fillings. I really don't know if vaccines played a part for

them. But I am uncomfortable with the idea of it being mandated by government. I

was slow to come around in terms of viewing vaccines as a bad thing. When I was

first diagnosed with CF, I got my annual flu vax. But everyone helping me get

well when the world claimed it could not be done (including this list) held

strong anti-vax opinions. So at some point I stopped getting my annual flu shot.

I think I am better off without it. Frequent vaccines are common in the CF

community, along with boatloads of antibiotics and other drugs. I have worked

hard to get off all that stuff. I think I need maneuvering room to have any hope

of keeping myself well and I do worry that such things might get mandated and

there would be no reasoning with them that my non-drug alternatives are

effective. For me, the possibility of being criminalized for trying to stay

genuinely well (instead of the life long drug addict conventional medicine would

like me to be) is one of my worst nightmares.

Anyway, probably shouldn't bother posting about such things. My views on the

topic do not go over well with anyone, whether they are pro-vax or anti-vax. :-/

Later.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

[Guest guest]

They don't have clean water and sanitation so we have to vaccinate them? That

sounds like a plan - a population reduction plan, not a plan to help people.

Bill even talks about it in the video.

> > >

> > > ugh:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be

made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the

children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year

from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do

three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm

and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the

vaccines -- and we only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have

all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and

everything -- the stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

> > >

> > > Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely

fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake

paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no

connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that

has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of

them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their

children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those

anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad

thing, because these vaccines are important.

> > >

> > >

> > >

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/03/gupta.gates.vaccines.world.health/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You don't know much is right, so why don't you stick to topics you know

something about. Vaccines are so great that they immunized my son against just

about every food I put on his plate - great life huh? Unvaccinated and

partially vaccinated children are freeloaders only in that their parents have

learned from people like me, and my son - us on this list, and our suffering

children, and those who came before us, that vaccination is infliction of

disease and the way not to get it is to avoid them. There is no evidence that

proves vaccines prevent disease.

> > > >

> > > > ugh:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be

made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the

children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year

from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do

three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm

and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the

vaccines -- and we only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have

all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and

everything -- the stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

> > > >

> > > > Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely

fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake

paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no

connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that

has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of

them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their

children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those

anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad

thing, because these vaccines are important.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/03/gupta.gates.vaccines.world.health/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The logical thing to do would be to stop them from using all those godforsaken

pesticides.

>

> I, too, play Devil's advocate at times, but I also think of these children

> in these third-world, war torn countries, whose families may have to run for

> their lives -- may have to hide. How easy is it going to be to hide for

> your life with a stimming child in tow?. What do you think happens to the

> child then?

>

> I go back to the idea that providing clean water, food, and sanitation in

> these areas could go a long way to improving the health and well being of

> all children. Try as we might, we will NEVER be able to eradicate disease,

> and uh.... I'm still waiting for them to come up with a safe malaria vaccine

> --Malaria kills more children world-wide than all the other childhood

> diseases combined, but it doesn't kill children in the US where there are

> parents who can pay the $$$ to make it worthwhile to market a vaccine.

> Therefore -- no profit no malaria vaccine.

>

> If you squelch chicken pox, rubella, measles.... on an on... there is going

> to be another disease to take its place, only, I believe vaccinated immune

> systems will be less able to adapt and overcome what develops.

>

> But again, in these countries as with every where else, freedom of choice is

> key. I would always weigh the risks versus the benefits. If certain death

> is on one side and possible autism on the other, it's a no brainier. I

> mean, if my kid is bit by a rabid animal tomorrow -- it is a scary choice

> but he's going to get the shots.

>

> Now if it is a cut and they want to give a tetanus -- I am not so amenable

> to that, but I will cross that bridge if it ever happens.

>

> But clean water, food, air, and sanitation is a better way to go. there is

> just no profit in that though.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is funny in a way that everything I've learned has brought me back to

what the Bible implies: we should not pierce our bodies, we should not mix

our blood with the blood of animals (DNA), that God gave us everything we

need to be healthy and happy and prosper. We are not supposed to mix seeds

in planting. For me it just has given me a lot to think about.

Bill Gates evidently said it above " reduce population growth. " In my

opinion you clean up the food, air, water supplies and create good

sanitation practices BEFORE you consider vaccination. Then I start to think

they really give a crap.

You have got to think that there are those who may know more about the

world's current true situation than we do. Bees have been dying by the

hundreds of thousands. Our food supplies may well be in considerable danger

without the bees to pollinate. It comes down to how much there is going to

be to support how many.

There is all this talk about oil and reducing our dependence on the Middle

East, but instead of come up with the clean energy to make us non-dependent

and greatly benefit the environment (and hey, if we can put a man on the

moon fifty years ago, then why haven't we done that which we must evidently

be smart enough to do?), the powers that be want to split the US in half

with a toxic, tar sands pipeline that will leak and further pollute the

soil, air, and water supplies. In the next twenty years, oil will be the

least of our problems; it will be water that is fit to drink and air fit to

breathe along with toxic food grown in toxic soil.

If we do not figure out what is killing the bees, then we are going to be in

serious trouble. Maybe we already are and of course they aren't going to

create a panic.

Everyone I know around here noticed serious problems with their gardens last

year. We live in a county with one of the highest mercury emissions in the

state (unfortunately I found this out after the fact). I thought we were

moving to the country where the air would be cleaner. NOT -- turns out it

is one of the worst in the country. Looks can be deceiving.

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate....must remain a personal choice and

decision in my opinion. I am not anti-vaccine, but I am anti Bill Gates or

any elected official telling me what I have to inject in my body or my

child's body. I believe this is a basic human right and not to be violated

by anyone.

I have never really recovered from a serious vaccine reaction in 1987.

Besides nearly dying, I had trouble conceiving, developed chronic fatigue

syndrome, have arthritis, and auto immune hypothyroidism - not to mention

brain fog, but at the time it happened I was told " coincidence " so much and

that I was just probably coming down with the flu at the time I got the

shot.... blah, blah, blah that I was dumb enough to let them vaccinate my

child later.

They gave me a vaccine (tetanus) in the hospital after a freak accident in

1992 without even giving me choice. I think that just made my situation

even worse. I would never take another outside the event of a very clear

and present danger, and after witnessing the immediate decline of my child

following vaccination, I would apply the same rules to him. He declined

within hours and suffered the IMMEDIATE loss of ALL speech. Do I want to go

down that road again? He clearly wanted to talk. That was evident. But

when he wouldn't convey his thoughts, he exploded in frustration.

I believe that any time MAN thinks he can improve on GOD, there are dire

consequences. Bill Gates may think they will reduce the number of childhood

deaths, but when there comes a super virus that has mutated in response to

mass vaccination.... Then what? What we will wind up with is a race that is

dependent on vaccination for its very survival. We will live in a " bubble "

where you cannot go outside the bubble whiteout that vaccine protection or

your immune system will not have the tools it needs to do what God designed

it to do for lack of being allowed to natural overcome each hurdle to be

prepared for the next.

It is BASIC biology that dictates that " Life will find a way. " This is true

for human beings as well as the tiniest virus and the smallest bacteria.

So, in my opinion, getting the benign childhood illnesses when you are a

child, prepares and strengthens the immune system to fight the next harder

virus or bacteria that comes along. Vaccines cannot covey this kind of

immunity, but if allowed to develop naturally this kind of immunity could

have been passed on from generation to generation from mother to child in

uteri or even via breast milk following birth. We have cut this natural

cycle with a period of time in which most women did not breast feed and

through mass vaccination.

Like it or not, evolution (and I am one of those weird people who believes

both in God and evolution) prepares a species for the future through the

elimination of the weakest and the perpetuation of the fittest, but it is

not " survival of the fittest " per se. The fittest are those who have faced

illness (usually the most) and who have survived it. The fittest does not

mean those who never got sick. And it depends on these to pass this ability

on.

Mass vaccination may be successful in protecting the weak from an

evolutionary perspective, for the TRUTH is that we do not know whether a

vaccine does what it is designed to do from each individual to the next.

But at the same time, I believe that it makes those who were strong weaker

from an immunological standpoint.

Once you start vaccinating against disease, you have to keep doing it.

Vaccines wear off. Wait and see what happens when teens and adults start

getting chicken pox if they don't get their boosters. Teens and adults can

die from this disease which is benign in childhood except for those who are

already immuno-compromised.

Does it make sense to weaken the strong to protect the weak? though I don't

like this viewpoint, it must be considered for the perpetuation of the

species as a whole.

I again strongly urge those who wish to read " Survival of the Sickest. "

At this very moment, we are giving in to this magical slight of hand, " Look

over here! " Bill Gates says or the governments or the WHO. " Mass

vaccination is what is important. " But this is a lie. This is how

magicians work. They focus your attention in one direction while the truth

lies in the other.

The most significant issue regarding health is the condition of our

environment which is in daily peril. You think that we have enacted laws to

improve and protect it or improve it? It is WORSE today than it was twenty

years ago. The government daily grants waivers to environmental

protections. The war rages on against Trans Canada's Keystone XL pipeline

which WILL have devastating impacts on the environment, and all that stands

in its way are the waivers and permits issued by our state department.

The constituents are protesting and clearly do not want this pipeline sawing

our country in half, polluting from North to South, but who do you think is

going to win? The oil company is so confident they have already invoked

Eminent Domain on countless property owners. Do you think property rites or

the nobility of representing those who elected you is going to win? Or will

it be the payoffs to government officials that dictate the outcome?

But we are focused on vaccination. They want us to believe this is the be

all and end all of the future of our health and the health of our children.

People, we are SICK. Our children are sick. Would you rather your child

catch measles or chicken pox or deal with a neurological/biological

disability for the rest of his or her life?

While they say vaccination has reduced these illnesses, at the same time

other illness have risen exponentially with the rise in the number of

vaccines: autism, dyslexia, learning disabilities, scleroderma, multiple

sclerosis, ALS, Lupus, Hashimoto's, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancers of

all kinds, increase in difficulty of conception, and the list goes on.

These rates have all exploded in the last thirty years -- hmmm, right in

line with the beginning of the proliferation of mass vaccines... all growing

exponentially with the increase of environmental toxins and the number of

vaccines given.

Again, I am not anti vaccine. Anyone, including myself would take a drug or

vaccine today that would prevent us from dying tomorrow. Will you take it

today if you know it will prevent you from dying next week, next month, or

ten years from now? Would you take it if you knew it would cause an

auto-immune disease or cancer in you ten or twenty years form now?

I gave a horse I loved DMSO, IV for several doses to save his imminent

demise many years ago from an NOS neurological injury. I knew this drug was

very hard on the liver. The horse survived and recovered 90%. He had

quality of life and I enjoyed his company for another four years until he

went into liver failure (most probably from the treatment with DMSO). It

gave him four more years of a quality life. I don't regret it, of course.

He would have died shortly after onset without this drug. That was a

no-brainer.

To give or not give a vaccine is a little trickier. The kid is not

suffering form the illness at the time the shot is given. You don't really

know if the child will ever catch the disease for which the vaccine is

given. There is no way to tell who was really saved, but there is

definitely evidence of who has been harmed from the administration of mass

vaccines. It is not just autism. An amount greater than that of all other

vaccine damage has been paid out to Hannah Polling over the course of her

lifetime as had been paid out in all other awards by the VICP.

An admission to us by my son's neurologist, who diagnosed him with heavy

metal intoxication -- that they know " there are going to be losses, " that

they believe they save enough of other children to exonerate them for these

losses, gave us more than an amount of pause. They lost site of the

Machiavellianism of this line of thinking -- the worst part of which is that

knowing it and then denying the needs of these children and blowing off the

damage they have done....The damage of which has financially ruined many a

family -- How dare they play God. They are a poor substitute.

The preservation of the right to choose is paramount. In the absence of

accountability, they are suspect. If they impose forced vaccination, they

shall make criminals and fugitives of an enormous number of parents. I

foresee this issue dividing our nation at some point in the future to such

extent that the consequences will be far reaching. Are the vaccine

proponents going to sanction the imprisonment or murder of those who

decline? What says this of them?

What Gates says about the correlation between the causal relationship

between autism and vaccines is false. It has not been disprove to my

satisfaction. Any other takers out there? I don't think it has been

disprove to the satisfaction of any parent who watched the correlation

between the time of vaccination and the on-set of symptoms. Every time they

comeup with this, they think they shall silence us and we will just go home

and be good little boys and girls and believe and do as we are told.

It may take as long as four hundred years for the truth to be accepted, but

four hundred years from now, if humanity survives (which at present I

actually doubt), someone is going to look at history and say, " Damn, they

really goofed. " But economically, this is okay with the powers that be.

They just want to get out of the economic responsibility. The reservation

list in hell grows daily.

Seeing how corrupt government, big business, etc.. has become, I place my

faith squarely elsewhere.

[Guest guest]

Good for you. Thanks for being part of the real/true alternative, of as much, as

you truly are, as Feel, as understand, of such truth

Glavic

Of such justness, *I* Am.. . I Feel I Am.

>

> It is funny in a way that everything I've learned has brought me back to

> what the Bible implies: we should not pierce our bodies, we should not mix

> our blood with the blood of animals (DNA), that God gave us everything we

> need to be healthy and happy and prosper. We are not supposed to mix seeds

> in planting. For me it just has given me a lot to think about.

>

> Bill Gates evidently said it above " reduce population growth. " In my

> opinion you clean up the food, air, water supplies and create good

> sanitation practices BEFORE you consider vaccination. Then I start to think

> they really give a crap.

>

> You have got to think that there are those who may know more about the

> world's current true situation than we do. Bees have been dying by the

> hundreds of thousands. Our food supplies may well be in considerable danger

> without the bees to pollinate. It comes down to how much there is going to

> be to support how many.

>

> There is all this talk about oil and reducing our dependence on the Middle

> East, but instead of come up with the clean energy to make us non-dependent

> and greatly benefit the environment (and hey, if we can put a man on the

> moon fifty years ago, then why haven't we done that which we must evidently

> be smart enough to do?), the powers that be want to split the US in half

> with a toxic, tar sands pipeline that will leak and further pollute the

> soil, air, and water supplies. In the next twenty years, oil will be the

> least of our problems; it will be water that is fit to drink and air fit to

> breathe along with toxic food grown in toxic soil.

>

> If we do not figure out what is killing the bees, then we are going to be in

> serious trouble. Maybe we already are and of course they aren't going to

> create a panic.

>

> Everyone I know around here noticed serious problems with their gardens last

> year. We live in a county with one of the highest mercury emissions in the

> state (unfortunately I found this out after the fact). I thought we were

> moving to the country where the air would be cleaner. NOT -- turns out it

> is one of the worst in the country. Looks can be deceiving.

>

> To vaccinate or not to vaccinate....must remain a personal choice and

> decision in my opinion. I am not anti-vaccine, but I am anti Bill Gates or

> any elected official telling me what I have to inject in my body or my

> child's body. I believe this is a basic human right and not to be violated

> by anyone.

>

> I have never really recovered from a serious vaccine reaction in 1987.

> Besides nearly dying, I had trouble conceiving, developed chronic fatigue

> syndrome, have arthritis, and auto immune hypothyroidism - not to mention

> brain fog, but at the time it happened I was told " coincidence " so much and

> that I was just probably coming down with the flu at the time I got the

> shot.... blah, blah, blah that I was dumb enough to let them vaccinate my

> child later.

>

> They gave me a vaccine (tetanus) in the hospital after a freak accident in

> 1992 without even giving me choice. I think that just made my situation

> even worse. I would never take another outside the event of a very clear

> and present danger, and after witnessing the immediate decline of my child

> following vaccination, I would apply the same rules to him. He declined

> within hours and suffered the IMMEDIATE loss of ALL speech. Do I want to go

> down that road again? He clearly wanted to talk. That was evident. But

> when he wouldn't convey his thoughts, he exploded in frustration.

>

> I believe that any time MAN thinks he can improve on GOD, there are dire

> consequences. Bill Gates may think they will reduce the number of childhood

> deaths, but when there comes a super virus that has mutated in response to

> mass vaccination.... Then what? What we will wind up with is a race that is

> dependent on vaccination for its very survival. We will live in a " bubble "

> where you cannot go outside the bubble whiteout that vaccine protection or

> your immune system will not have the tools it needs to do what God designed

> it to do for lack of being allowed to natural overcome each hurdle to be

> prepared for the next.

>

> It is BASIC biology that dictates that " Life will find a way. " This is true

> for human beings as well as the tiniest virus and the smallest bacteria.

> So, in my opinion, getting the benign childhood illnesses when you are a

> child, prepares and strengthens the immune system to fight the next harder

> virus or bacteria that comes along. Vaccines cannot covey this kind of

> immunity, but if allowed to develop naturally this kind of immunity could

> have been passed on from generation to generation from mother to child in

> uteri or even via breast milk following birth. We have cut this natural

> cycle with a period of time in which most women did not breast feed and

> through mass vaccination.

>

> Like it or not, evolution (and I am one of those weird people who believes

> both in God and evolution) prepares a species for the future through the

> elimination of the weakest and the perpetuation of the fittest, but it is

> not " survival of the fittest " per se. The fittest are those who have faced

> illness (usually the most) and who have survived it. The fittest does not

> mean those who never got sick. And it depends on these to pass this ability

> on.

>

> Mass vaccination may be successful in protecting the weak from an

> evolutionary perspective, for the TRUTH is that we do not know whether a

> vaccine does what it is designed to do from each individual to the next.

> But at the same time, I believe that it makes those who were strong weaker

> from an immunological standpoint.

>

> Once you start vaccinating against disease, you have to keep doing it.

> Vaccines wear off. Wait and see what happens when teens and adults start

> getting chicken pox if they don't get their boosters. Teens and adults can

> die from this disease which is benign in childhood except for those who are

> already immuno-compromised.

>

> Does it make sense to weaken the strong to protect the weak? though I don't

> like this viewpoint, it must be considered for the perpetuation of the

> species as a whole.

>

> I again strongly urge those who wish to read " Survival of the Sickest. "

>

> At this very moment, we are giving in to this magical slight of hand, " Look

> over here! " Bill Gates says or the governments or the WHO. " Mass

> vaccination is what is important. " But this is a lie. This is how

> magicians work. They focus your attention in one direction while the truth

> lies in the other.

>

> The most significant issue regarding health is the condition of our

> environment which is in daily peril. You think that we have enacted laws to

> improve and protect it or improve it? It is WORSE today than it was twenty

> years ago. The government daily grants waivers to environmental

> protections. The war rages on against Trans Canada's Keystone XL pipeline

> which WILL have devastating impacts on the environment, and all that stands

> in its way are the waivers and permits issued by our state department.

>

> The constituents are protesting and clearly do not want this pipeline sawing

> our country in half, polluting from North to South, but who do you think is

> going to win? The oil company is so confident they have already invoked

> Eminent Domain on countless property owners. Do you think property rites or

> the nobility of representing those who elected you is going to win? Or will

> it be the payoffs to government officials that dictate the outcome?

>

> But we are focused on vaccination. They want us to believe this is the be

> all and end all of the future of our health and the health of our children.

> People, we are SICK. Our children are sick. Would you rather your child

> catch measles or chicken pox or deal with a neurological/biological

> disability for the rest of his or her life?

>

> While they say vaccination has reduced these illnesses, at the same time

> other illness have risen exponentially with the rise in the number of

> vaccines: autism, dyslexia, learning disabilities, scleroderma, multiple

> sclerosis, ALS, Lupus, Hashimoto's, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancers of

> all kinds, increase in difficulty of conception, and the list goes on.

> These rates have all exploded in the last thirty years -- hmmm, right in

> line with the beginning of the proliferation of mass vaccines... all growing

> exponentially with the increase of environmental toxins and the number of

> vaccines given.

>

> Again, I am not anti vaccine. Anyone, including myself would take a drug or

> vaccine today that would prevent us from dying tomorrow. Will you take it

> today if you know it will prevent you from dying next week, next month, or

> ten years from now? Would you take it if you knew it would cause an

> auto-immune disease or cancer in you ten or twenty years form now?

>

> I gave a horse I loved DMSO, IV for several doses to save his imminent

> demise many years ago from an NOS neurological injury. I knew this drug was

> very hard on the liver. The horse survived and recovered 90%. He had

> quality of life and I enjoyed his company for another four years until he

> went into liver failure (most probably from the treatment with DMSO). It

> gave him four more years of a quality life. I don't regret it, of course.

> He would have died shortly after onset without this drug. That was a

> no-brainer.

>

> To give or not give a vaccine is a little trickier. The kid is not

> suffering form the illness at the time the shot is given. You don't really

> know if the child will ever catch the disease for which the vaccine is

> given. There is no way to tell who was really saved, but there is

> definitely evidence of who has been harmed from the administration of mass

> vaccines. It is not just autism. An amount greater than that of all other

> vaccine damage has been paid out to Hannah Polling over the course of her

> lifetime as had been paid out in all other awards by the VICP.

>

> An admission to us by my son's neurologist, who diagnosed him with heavy

> metal intoxication -- that they know " there are going to be losses, " that

> they believe they save enough of other children to exonerate them for these

> losses, gave us more than an amount of pause. They lost site of the

> Machiavellianism of this line of thinking -- the worst part of which is that

> knowing it and then denying the needs of these children and blowing off the

> damage they have done....The damage of which has financially ruined many a

> family -- How dare they play God. They are a poor substitute.

>

> The preservation of the right to choose is paramount. In the absence of

> accountability, they are suspect. If they impose forced vaccination, they

> shall make criminals and fugitives of an enormous number of parents. I

> foresee this issue dividing our nation at some point in the future to such

> extent that the consequences will be far reaching. Are the vaccine

> proponents going to sanction the imprisonment or murder of those who

> decline? What says this of them?

>

> What Gates says about the correlation between the causal relationship

> between autism and vaccines is false. It has not been disprove to my

> satisfaction. Any other takers out there? I don't think it has been

> disprove to the satisfaction of any parent who watched the correlation

> between the time of vaccination and the on-set of symptoms. Every time they

> comeup with this, they think they shall silence us and we will just go home

> and be good little boys and girls and believe and do as we are told.

>

> It may take as long as four hundred years for the truth to be accepted, but

> four hundred years from now, if humanity survives (which at present I

> actually doubt), someone is going to look at history and say, " Damn, they

> really goofed. " But economically, this is okay with the powers that be.

> They just want to get out of the economic responsibility. The reservation

> list in hell grows daily.

>

> Seeing how corrupt government, big business, etc.. has become, I place my

> faith squarely elsewhere.

>

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