Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 The ambush was to be expected. However, I thought Wakefield acquitted himself remarkably well in the short time he had to defend himself, his constant reiteration of the government's settlements with parents for vax injury from the MMR etc, and the fact that the media/pr campaign notwithstanding repeating the same mantra about vaxes, will not erase the fact that vax injured kids with autism exist and are not going away, nor is he. I thought he got his point across very well. He seemed like a quiet force to be reckoned with, dignified and sincere, no matter how Lauer and the story preceding him tried to depict him otherwise. Although Lauer's comment asking whether he could in fact still refer to Wakefield as " doctor " in view of his license revocation in the UK was a low blow, hitting below the belt. Irene > > Wow. I posted one time at the Today Facebook page about the Wakefield ambush @ http://www.facebook.com/todayshow?ref=ts#!/posted.php?id=12566691349 & share_id=10\ 6428256070630 & comments=1#s106428256070630I & went to comment a second time & a message appeared I was abusing the system. I guess they have my number & want nada to do with me. I tried to post the following when I was so rudely cut off. Could someone post it there for me, please? > > I bet NBC's poll for the Today show is fixed, too? It started out in the high 40's on the side of truth & has dropped like a hot potato to around 12% in just hours. > > http://community.todaymoms.com/_question/2010/05/24/4342399-do-you-think-vaccine\ s-are-related-to-autism > > Email the today show & show your disgust. > > TODAY@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Hi Marsha, I didn't try to post your message but I did try to post mine, whether it was accepted or not, I don't know, yet, of my *trying* to communicate is all that I feel that really matters for as much.. . So many people so sure one way or the other (with there being so little to be so sure about, I'd say) without so much concern about how things affect us " individually " (uniquely?) as if that doesn't matter so much or is not also of the primary issue? (to justice, where there would be any justice at all, in that respect?) is pretty disconcerting, of how the question is being framed towards " generalities " I would have to say about as much (of politics?) as we're typically seeing of this debate, of someone or something trying to make the matter a black or white thing, which I absolutely am sure it is " not, " really, and failing to accomodate the individual, with our compromised conditions and special needs in that respect, could be considered a measure of our neglect if not outright abuse in not being more open to as much. It's a proven fact (contested by science if not so much by the courts) that vaccines have negatively affected " some " (if not a small minority, as with autism, very possibly? And who should be expendable if not murdered in that respect, to justify murder even?) and if one looks more closely at the matter, science is nothing better than a collection of the anecdotal (individual situations) where being more specific would be more accurate and what " medicine " (if not science, if not justice) should be, where it could be all that it can be. I would say it is pretty clear that being cautious and doing " more research " with respect to the individual and the individual situation (in question?) would always (more logically?) be the " more reasonable " answer in that respect of the facts as they relate to the individual, and generalities (and changing situation) of as much. I'm of the persuasion that the group (of science?) is only better (as good as it can be?) where it encompasses (and accomodates) the condition " and voice " of the " individual " (of being dedicated to as much? of the individual condition and unique differences " of needs, " where that would mean so much to us, of us?) if not the greater truth (The truth of understanding? of the feeling/s? of those facts...) of as much, that my life or any life should be considered any less significant or meaningful than that, if not of all that there is or could be, Thereof Heaven help us where we lose the value of the individual where that individual may be us some day. Glavic I'm with you in that respect. > > Wow. I posted one time at the Today Facebook page about the Wakefield ambush @ http://www.facebook.com/todayshow?ref=ts#!/posted.php?id=12566691349 & share_id=10\ 6428256070630 & comments=1#s106428256070630I & went to comment a second time & a message appeared I was abusing the system. I guess they have my number & want nada to do with me. I tried to post the following when I was so rudely cut off. Could someone post it there for me, please? > > I bet NBC's poll for the Today show is fixed, too? It started out in the high 40's on the side of truth & has dropped like a hot potato to around 12% in just hours. > > http://community.todaymoms.com/_question/2010/05/24/4342399-do-you-think-vaccine\ s-are-related-to-autism > > Email the today show & show your disgust. > > TODAY@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Not so much your message but my message with respect to what I would more than hope you're looking for us to be activists for, presented to the blog or whatever in question, not yet posted, (cleared?) for whatever reason.. . but good enough, (I Feel) of our trying to communicate in that respect of all that Communication can be (my sense of It So many people so sure one way or the other (with there being so little to be so sure about, I'd say) without so much concern about how things affect us " individually " (uniquely?) as if that doesn't matter so much or is not also of the primary issue? (to justice, where there would be any justice at all, in that respect?) is pretty disconcerting, of how the question is being framed towards " generalities " I would have to say about as much (of politics?) as we're typically seeing of this debate, of someone or something trying to make the matter a black or white thing, which I absolutely am sure it is " not, " really, and failing to accomodate the individual, with our compromised conditions and special needs in that respect, could be considered a measure of our neglect if not outright abuse in not being more open to as much. It's a proven fact (contested by science if not so much by the courts) that vaccines have negatively affected " some " (if not a small minority, as with autism, very possibly? And who should be expendable if not murdered in that respect, to justify murder even?) and if one looks more closely at the matter, science is nothing better than a collection of the anecdotal (individual situations) where being more specific would be more accurate and what " medicine " (if not science, if not justice) should be, where it could be all that it can be. I would say it is pretty clear that being cautious and doing " more research " with respect to the individual and the individual situation (in question?) would always (more logically?) be the " more reasonable " answer in that respect of the facts as they relate to the individual, and generalities (and changing situation) of as much. I'm of the persuasion that the group (of science?) is only better (as good as it can be?) where it encompasses (and accomodates) the condition " and voice " of the " individual " (of being dedicated to as much? of the individual condition and unique differences " of needs, " where that would mean so much to us, of us?) if not the greater truth (The truth of understanding? of the feeling/s? of those facts...) of as much, that my life or any life should be considered any less significant or meaningful than that, if not of all that there is or could be, Thereof Heaven help us where we lose the value of the individual where that individual may be us some day. Glavic I'm with you in that respect. (My second attempt to get this message posted here) > > Wow. I posted one time at the Today Facebook page about the Wakefield ambush @ http://www.facebook.com/todayshow?ref=ts#!/posted.php?id=12566691349 & share_id=10\ 6428256070630 & comments=1#s106428256070630I & went to comment a second time & a message appeared I was abusing the system. I guess they have my number & want nada to do with me. I tried to post the following when I was so rudely cut off. Could someone post it there for me, please? > > I bet NBC's poll for the Today show is fixed, too? It started out in the high 40's on the side of truth & has dropped like a hot potato to around 12% in just hours. > > http://community.todaymoms.com/_question/2010/05/24/4342399-do-you-think-vaccine\ s-are-related-to-autism > > Email the today show & show your disgust. > > TODAY@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Is that interview with Lauer online anywhere? > > The ambush was to be expected. However, I thought Wakefield acquitted himself remarkably well in the short time he had to defend himself, his constant reiteration of the government's settlements with parents for vax injury from the MMR etc, and the fact that the media/pr campaign notwithstanding repeating the same mantra about vaxes, will not erase the fact that vax injured kids with autism exist and are not going away, nor is he. I thought he got his point across very well. He seemed like a quiet force to be reckoned with, dignified and sincere, no matter how Lauer and the story preceding him tried to depict him otherwise. Although Lauer's comment asking whether he could in fact still refer to Wakefield as " doctor " in view of his license revocation in the UK was a low blow, hitting below the belt. > > Irene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Further to as much (My sense of It Hello Jay, (and All (You too if not Especially, God Something related to what you're asking and that I posted on another board of reaching Out That the majority view isn't that we don't really know for sure and that we should be looking further into it, (as Wakefield was primarily doing, Hello?) for what justice itself would entail, if not an advancing science, is an indictment of our failed state of education, of faith, of politics or whatever abuse you want to call it otherwise of us individuals communicating and doing/volunteering as much, of such corruption otherwise.. . What I wrote to the Human-ethology board that somewhat expresses my sentiment (and intelligence? and interest, that there would be any intelligence and truth-seeking interest at All? .. . Excellent. Thank-you for posting me. I love our objectivity in that respect. (Somewhat? of as much..) I shall surely now be *reading* us more, now, Especially, of Communication and how that works.. . (of Understanding More?!. Hello What's communicating/trying to communicate with you?!. BWT. Glavic Reaching Out. Identifying *abuse* where I find it (as I Feel it) in dealing with It, of Feeling as understanding (That's not so much about being NICE, as we know it, no, but for The *real* (true) thing/s.. . It's good that we're not language bigots otherwise of as much I Feel as Understand, of Communication.. . I Feel there is a lot of intelligent people (out there?) that would join us in that/this respect.. . (of as much?!. Best wishes, Thereof > > > > Wow. I posted one time at the Today Facebook page about the Wakefield ambush @ http://www.facebook.com/todayshow?ref=ts#!/posted.php?id=12566691349 & share_id=10\ 6428256070630 & comments=1#s106428256070630I & went to comment a second time & a message appeared I was abusing the system. I guess they have my number & want nada to do with me. I tried to post the following when I was so rudely cut off. Could someone post it there for me, please? > > > > I bet NBC's poll for the Today show is fixed, too? It started out in the high 40's on the side of truth & has dropped like a hot potato to around 12% in just hours. > > > > http://community.todaymoms.com/_question/2010/05/24/4342399-do-you-think-vaccine\ s-are-related-to-autism > > > > Email the today show & show your disgust. > > > > TODAY@ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 I tried to find it for you but came up empty. I think it was all of 5 minutes of ambush & the rest were clips from the first time he did truth & the health & well being of our children wrong. > > > > The ambush was to be expected. However, I thought Wakefield acquitted himself remarkably well in the short time he had to defend himself, his constant reiteration of the government's settlements with parents for vax injury from the MMR etc, and the fact that the media/pr campaign notwithstanding repeating the same mantra about vaxes, will not erase the fact that vax injured kids with autism exist and are not going away, nor is he. I thought he got his point across very well. He seemed like a quiet force to be reckoned with, dignified and sincere, no matter how Lauer and the story preceding him tried to depict him otherwise. Although Lauer's comment asking whether he could in fact still refer to Wakefield as " doctor " in view of his license revocation in the UK was a low blow, hitting below the belt. > > > > Irene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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