Re: I am really worried & want to call everyone's attention here to McCarthy's

[Guest guest]

The argument from authority only works if the speaker is an authority. Your

friend is only

an authority to you. He need not be refuted by others to whom he is not an

authority, merely ignored.

I enjoyed McCarthy's article. Thank you for posting the link.

From: mofmars <Mofmars3@...>

Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 3:39:27 PM

Subject: [ ] I am really worried & want to call everyone's

attention here to McCarthy's

I am really worried & want to call everyone's attention here to McCarthy's

article. One of my friends who always helps us spread vaccine truth just

denounced Dr. Wakefield>>>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/vaccine-autism-debate_b_806857.html

My friend, Craig, was very convincing in what he wrote;

" Well, after spending the past few days reading over everything I could

concerning Wakefield, the GMC, the TF patent applicatio­n, and

Deer, I have no choice to come to the conclusion that Wakefield is fraudulent in

his research. The evidence to this is pretty damning, and I cannot deny it. It

is clear that he had COI's, and I can certainly say that this could have

motivated him to do what he did. Do I believe all the charges leveled against

him? No. Some of the things Wakefield has said in his own defense line up with

the evidence. But yes, I have to agree that Deer's thorough

investigat­ion

is pretty damned rock solid.

This was not easy to write (I'll probably have a post on my blog concerning this

in the next few days). I defended his research in hopes that it could offer

clues to my son's condition. Even if you try to paint him in the most favorable

light, and think that he had the best interests of children in mind, it still

does not excuse faking research, and this both angers and saddens me. It angers

me that I defended him (I'm mad at myself, mostly), and it saddens me that it

will prevent children like my son, who have had real and verifiable reactions to

one or more vaccines, will probably not ever be investigat­ed or helped by

medical science.

But, as a reasonable person, I can no longer defend Dr. Wakefield. "

End

This could be very damaging to our side. I hope & pray my friend is wrong. If he

is, we have to prove that, now.

[Guest guest]

well what on earth did he read lately that made him change his mind?

It is all the same old stuff all based on lies

I have posted many times the reality of it all

Sheri

At 12:06 PM 1/14/2011, Marsha wrote:

>I am really worried & want to call everyone's

>attention here to McCarthy's article. One

>of my friends who always helps us spread vaccine

>truth just denounced Dr. Wakefield>>>

>

>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/vaccine-autism-debate_b_806857.htm\

l

>

>My friend, Craig, was very convincing in what he wrote;

>

> " Well, after spending the past few days reading

>over everything I could concerning

>Wakefield, the GMC, the TF patent applicatio­n,

>and Deer, I have no choice to come to the

>conclusion that Wakefield is fraudulent in his

>research. The evidence to this is pretty

>damning, and I cannot deny it. It is clear that

>he had COI's, and I can certainly say that this

>could have motivated him to do what he did. Do I

>believe all the charges leveled against him? No.

>Some of the things Wakefield has said in his own

>defense line up with the evidence. But yes, I

>have to agree that Deer's thorough

>investigat­ion is pretty damned rock solid.

>

>This was not easy to write (I'll probably have a

>post on my blog concerning this in the next few

>days). I defended his research in hopes that it

>could offer clues to my son's condition. Even if

>you try to paint him in the most favorable

>light, and think that he had the best interests

>of children in mind, it still does not excuse

>faking research, and this both angers and

>saddens me. It angers me that I defended him

>(I'm mad at myself, mostly), and it saddens me

>that it will prevent children like my son, who

>have had real and verifiable reactions to one or

>more vaccines, will probably not ever be

>investigat­ed or helped by medical science.

>

>But, as a reasonable person, I can no longer defend Dr. Wakefield. "

>

>End

>

>This could be very damaging to our side. I hope

> & pray my friend is wrong. If he is, we have to prove that, now.

>

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Vaccine truth? Did you really think before you typed that? What is a " vaccine

truth " ? How about this for some truth. They are feverishly attacking one

study, that had a very small cross section, that did not even state in it that

there was a link between MMR and autism. That alleged link was inferred from

statements Dr. Wakefield made after the study was published. And he has and

still does CLEARLY state that more research and additional more rigorous studies

need to be done. Just imagine what they would do if a very well funded and

impeccably structured study, that they could not co-opt, with a larger group was

done.

>

> I am really worried & want to call everyone's attention here to

McCarthy's article. One of my friends who always helps us spread vaccine truth

just denounced Dr. Wakefield>>>

>

>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/vaccine-autism-debate_b_806857.html

>

> My friend, Craig, was very convincing in what he wrote;

>

> " Well, after spending the past few days reading over everything I could

concerning Wakefield, the GMC, the TF patent applicatio­n, and

Deer, I have no choice to come to the conclusion that Wakefield is fraudulent in

his research. The evidence to this is pretty damning, and I cannot deny it. It

is clear that he had COI's, and I can certainly say that this could have

motivated him to do what he did. Do I believe all the charges leveled against

him? No. Some of the things Wakefield has said in his own defense line up with

the evidence. But yes, I have to agree that Deer's thorough investigat­ion

is pretty damned rock solid.

>

> This was not easy to write (I'll probably have a post on my blog concerning

this in the next few days). I defended his research in hopes that it could offer

clues to my son's condition. Even if you try to paint him in the most favorable

light, and think that he had the best interests of children in mind, it still

does not excuse faking research, and this both angers and saddens me. It angers

me that I defended him (I'm mad at myself, mostly), and it saddens me that it

will prevent children like my son, who have had real and verifiable reactions to

one or more vaccines, will probably not ever be investigat­ed or helped by

medical science.

>

> But, as a reasonable person, I can no longer defend Dr. Wakefield. "

>

> End

>

> This could be very damaging to our side. I hope & pray my friend is wrong. If

he is, we have to prove that, now.

>

[Guest guest]

My son unraveling right before my eyes after the MMR, was not a fraud. I

still stand with Dr. Wakefield.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:01 PM, ryansdad2004 <ryansdad2004@...>wrote:

>

>

> Vaccine truth? Did you really think before you typed that? What is a

> " vaccine truth " ? How about this for some truth. They are feverishly

> attacking one study, that had a very small cross section, that did not even

> state in it that there was a link between MMR and autism. That alleged link

> was inferred from statements Dr. Wakefield made after the study was

> published. And he has and still does CLEARLY state that more research and

> additional more rigorous studies need to be done. Just imagine what they

> would do if a very well funded and impeccably structured study, that they

> could not co-opt, with a larger group was done.

>

>

> >

> > I am really worried & want to call everyone's attention here to

> McCarthy's article. One of my friends who always helps us spread vaccine

> truth just denounced Dr. Wakefield>>>

> >

> >

>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/vaccine-autism-debate_b_806857.html

> >

> > My friend, Craig, was very convincing in what he wrote;

> >

> > " Well, after spending the past few days reading over everything I could

> concerning Wakefield, the GMC, the TF patent applicatio­n, and

> Deer, I have no choice to come to the conclusion that Wakefield is

> fraudulent in his research. The evidence to this is pretty damning, and I

> cannot deny it. It is clear that he had COI's, and I can certainly say that

> this could have motivated him to do what he did. Do I believe all the

> charges leveled against him? No. Some of the things Wakefield has said in

> his own defense line up with the evidence. But yes, I have to agree that

> Deer's thorough investigat­ion is pretty damned rock solid.

> >

> > This was not easy to write (I'll probably have a post on my blog

> concerning this in the next few days). I defended his research in hopes that

> it could offer clues to my son's condition. Even if you try to paint him in

> the most favorable light, and think that he had the best interests of

> children in mind, it still does not excuse faking research, and this both

> angers and saddens me. It angers me that I defended him (I'm mad at myself,

> mostly), and it saddens me that it will prevent children like my son, who

> have had real and verifiable reactions to one or more vaccines, will

> probably not ever be investigat­ed or helped by medical science.

> >

> > But, as a reasonable person, I can no longer defend Dr. Wakefield. "

> >

> > End

> >

> > This could be very damaging to our side. I hope & pray my friend is

> wrong. If he is, we have to prove that, now.

> >

>

>

>

--

Zurama

Mickie 13yrs

Round #45

25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

[Guest guest]

I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

planets revolve around the sun. "

Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

now, and still the truth will not die.

It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

what is right.

So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

false gods, and many will fall down before them.

Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

companies, then that's worth something.

My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

" suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

following night in his sleep.

I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

" retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

sleep.

Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

stronger. "

[Guest guest]

*Well said* be damned, I understood and liked *what* you said.

What, with all the rubbish that *sounds* so good othewise? .. .

I Feel for you

Best wishes

Glavic

Probably the Third world not so much a part of our problem (including of

addictions) will make it through, where we don't. On why I believe in *choice,*

(Freedom, of Choice? of Communication) that that wouldn't be the real issue

where justness is concerned, that anything else should matter between us or

otherwise.. .

You might see It yet

BWT

>

> I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

> time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

> church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

> taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

> comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

> planets revolve around the sun. "

>

> Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

> him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

> under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

>

> He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

> research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

> si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

>

> They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

> trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

> now, and still the truth will not die.

>

> It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

> to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

> Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

> persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

> won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

> truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

> time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

> my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

> international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

> stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

> politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

> but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

> what is right.

>

> So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

> least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

> companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

> low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

> working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

> false gods, and many will fall down before them.

>

> Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

> Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

> drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

> one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

>

> If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

> companies, then that's worth something.

>

> My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

> still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

> medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

> " suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

> he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

> consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

> going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

> him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

> following night in his sleep.

>

> I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

> not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

> " retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

> something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

> pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

> sleep.

>

> Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

> other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

> unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

> giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

> stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

>

> How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

> have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

> over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

> the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

> boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

> immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

> stronger. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never gotten too caught up in all the social drama surrounding autism. I

have always been concerned on what caused my son's condition and what I can do

to fix it if anything. When my son is doing well, I have tried to inform and

help others. I have come to the conclusion that no matter what I say or do, no

matter what proof I have, people are going to believe what they want to believe.

My sheeple friends and relatives will probably always see me as some emotional,

genetically deficient person who is angry over her son's condition and therefore

is seeking to blame someone. After all, that's what the TV tells them.

> > >

> > > I am really worried & want to call everyone's attention here to

> > McCarthy's article. One of my friends who always helps us spread vaccine

> > truth just denounced Dr. Wakefield>>>

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/vaccine-autism-debate_b_806857.html

> > >

> > > My friend, Craig, was very convincing in what he wrote;

> > >

> > > " Well, after spending the past few days reading over everything I could

> > concerning Wakefield, the GMC, the TF patent applicatio­n, and

> > Deer, I have no choice to come to the conclusion that Wakefield is

> > fraudulent in his research. The evidence to this is pretty damning, and I

> > cannot deny it. It is clear that he had COI's, and I can certainly say that

> > this could have motivated him to do what he did. Do I believe all the

> > charges leveled against him? No. Some of the things Wakefield has said in

> > his own defense line up with the evidence. But yes, I have to agree that

> > Deer's thorough investigat­ion is pretty damned rock solid.

> > >

> > > This was not easy to write (I'll probably have a post on my blog

> > concerning this in the next few days). I defended his research in hopes that

> > it could offer clues to my son's condition. Even if you try to paint him in

> > the most favorable light, and think that he had the best interests of

> > children in mind, it still does not excuse faking research, and this both

> > angers and saddens me. It angers me that I defended him (I'm mad at myself,

> > mostly), and it saddens me that it will prevent children like my son, who

> > have had real and verifiable reactions to one or more vaccines, will

> > probably not ever be investigat­ed or helped by medical science.

> > >

> > > But, as a reasonable person, I can no longer defend Dr. Wakefield. "

> > >

> > > End

> > >

> > > This could be very damaging to our side. I hope & pray my friend is

> > wrong. If he is, we have to prove that, now.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #45

> 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am going to read the article when I get a chance.

But like I told my sons when we got into the debate of my sons condition.

I don't know if vaccines cause this. I can only speak for my son. He had

reactions after every vaccine. Nuclear green slime came from his hiney. After a

flu shot everything really stopped. But all that doesn't matter. I'm not here to

point fingers. This is where we are now. I am going to do everything possible

to try to help my son, that is my job as a parent. That is why I am doing

biomed. I have to try so I know in my heart that I have done everything possible

to help him.

Since then the doctor hasn't pushed vaccines or challenged me on my son. Of

course I got the lecture of putting him in harms way. I told her that's fine

with me. She asks how he's doing and every time I have tons of good updates,

her response is GOOD and a smile.

I personally don't care about the drama. All I care about is finding a way to

test newborns/people so we know if vaccines or toxins will cause damage. Then

more study done on how to help those who have vaccine injury of any kind and

finding out what will help that persons exact recover.

Some people will say " I had vaccines I'm not autistic " . They forget WE ARE ALL

DIFFERENT. Everyone responds to things differently. Why do we have warnings on

medication? Why do prescription drugs come. with a huge pamphlet with side

effects? So why are vaccines any different?

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[ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call everyone's

attention here to McCarthy's

I have never gotten too caught up in all the social drama surrounding autism. I

have always been concerned on what caused my son's condition and what I can do

to fix it if anything. When my son is doing well, I have tried to inform and

help others. I have come to the conclusion that no matter what I say or do, no

matter what proof I have, people are going to believe what they want to believe.

My sheeple friends and relatives will probably always see me as some emotional,

genetically deficient person who is angry over her son's condition and therefore

is seeking to blame someone. After all, that's what the TV tells them.

> > >

> > > I am really worried & want to call everyone's attention here to

> > McCarthy's article. One of my friends who always helps us spread vaccine

> > truth just denounced Dr. Wakefield>>>

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/vaccine-autism-debate_b_806857.html

> > >

> > > My friend, Craig, was very convincing in what he wrote;

> > >

> > > " Well, after spending the past few days reading over everything I could

> > concerning Wakefield, the GMC, the TF patent applicatio­n, and

> > Deer, I have no choice to come to the conclusion that Wakefield is

> > fraudulent in his research. The evidence to this is pretty damning, and I

> > cannot deny it. It is clear that he had COI's, and I can certainly say that

> > this could have motivated him to do what he did. Do I believe all the

> > charges leveled against him? No. Some of the things Wakefield has said in

> > his own defense line up with the evidence. But yes, I have to agree that

> > Deer's thorough investigat­ion is pretty damned rock solid.

> > >

> > > This was not easy to write (I'll probably have a post on my blog

> > concerning this in the next few days). I defended his research in hopes that

> > it could offer clues to my son's condition. Even if you try to paint him in

> > the most favorable light, and think that he had the best interests of

> > children in mind, it still does not excuse faking research, and this both

> > angers and saddens me. It angers me that I defended him (I'm mad at myself,

> > mostly), and it saddens me that it will prevent children like my son, who

> > have had real and verifiable reactions to one or more vaccines, will

> > probably not ever be investigat­ed or helped by medical science.

> > >

> > > But, as a reasonable person, I can no longer defend Dr. Wakefield. "

> > >

> > > End

> > >

> > > This could be very damaging to our side. I hope & pray my friend is

> > wrong. If he is, we have to prove that, now.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Zurama

> Mickie 13yrs

> Round #45

> 25mg DMSA 25mg ALA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beautifully said. Amen and amen.

>

> I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

> time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

> church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

> taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

> comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

> planets revolve around the sun. "

>

> Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

> him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

> under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

>

> He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

> research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

> si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

>

> They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

> trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

> now, and still the truth will not die.

>

> It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

> to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

> Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

> persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

> won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

> truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

> time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

> my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

> international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

> stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

> politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

> but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

> what is right.

>

> So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

> least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

> companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

> low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

> working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

> false gods, and many will fall down before them.

>

> Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

> Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

> drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

> one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

>

> If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

> companies, then that's worth something.

>

> My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

> still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

> medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

> " suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

> he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

> consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

> going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

> him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

> following night in his sleep.

>

> I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

> not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

> " retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

> something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

> pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

> sleep.

>

> Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

> other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

> unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

> giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

> stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

>

> How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

> have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

> over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

> the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

> boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

> immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

> stronger. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Who is Craig and has he been doing hands on research and treating people for

years on end like Dr. Wakefield and the many parents, doctors, NDs, homeopaths,

etc have been? If not, spending " a few days " reading and making a personal

declaration of whether something is truthful or not is really not something of

weight.

>

> I am really worried & want to call everyone's attention here to

McCarthy's article. One of my friends who always helps us spread vaccine truth

just denounced Dr. Wakefield>>>

>

>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/vaccine-autism-debate_b_806857.html

>

> My friend, Craig, was very convincing in what he wrote;

>

> " Well, after spending the past few days reading over everything I could

concerning Wakefield, the GMC, the TF patent applicatio­n, and

Deer, I have no choice to come to the conclusion that Wakefield is fraudulent in

his research. The evidence to this is pretty damning, and I cannot deny it. It

is clear that he had COI's, and I can certainly say that this could have

motivated him to do what he did. Do I believe all the charges leveled against

him? No. Some of the things Wakefield has said in his own defense line up with

the evidence. But yes, I have to agree that Deer's thorough investigat­ion

is pretty damned rock solid.

>

> This was not easy to write (I'll probably have a post on my blog concerning

this in the next few days). I defended his research in hopes that it could offer

clues to my son's condition. Even if you try to paint him in the most favorable

light, and think that he had the best interests of children in mind, it still

does not excuse faking research, and this both angers and saddens me. It angers

me that I defended him (I'm mad at myself, mostly), and it saddens me that it

will prevent children like my son, who have had real and verifiable reactions to

one or more vaccines, will probably not ever be investigat­ed or helped by

medical science.

>

> But, as a reasonable person, I can no longer defend Dr. Wakefield. "

>

> End

>

> This could be very damaging to our side. I hope & pray my friend is wrong. If

he is, we have to prove that, now.

>

[Guest guest]

Each person must decide individually what their position and stance will

be. I know many people in our town just think I am just the " crazy lady "

who can't accept her child was " born retarded. " Yes, this is EXACTLY what

they think because they do not understand autism. They think everything the

government and the TV tells them is safe is safe. They swallow propaganda

hook, line, and sinker.

Even my own father, before he passed away--- I just about had him

understanding some for the science, and then he saw the evening news on ABC,

and when the dashing anchor man said, " Vaccines don't cause autism. " My dad

gets confused. So he said to me, " If the ABC evening news reports it, then

that must be the truth. "

I can't help it if my father had blinders on. He is the same guy I caught

about to pour GASOLINE on fire ant hills because, " It will kill them. "

Well, uh, gee, Dad, if enough people keep using gasoline to kill fire ant

mounds, it could kill us all! " He couldn't see past his own little moment.

My father was of the " Great " generation. He was a navy pilot in WWII. He

loved his country, worked hard all his life, and loved God most of all.

Perhaps it was too late to convince him that BIG BUSINESS owns this

country. It owns the media. It owns our elected officials. (Notice I

didn't say they owned the " government " as for God's sake, WE are the

government, or at least we're supposed to be).

You don't have to get involved in the drama if you don't want to. You've

got enough on your mind and the most important thing is to help your child.

For myself, I like good healthy debate, and if I can find one somewhere, I

don't mind doing that, but along the way, I just plant little seeds of

thought: handing out the flu pamphlets and cards on vaccines from SafeMinds;

telling my son's story along the way, refraining from calling it " autism "

or if I do say that, I say he has " vaccine triggered autism " or I tell them

what it is that he was first diagnosed with at age three: Heavy Metal

Intoxication. And when they ask me how he got that, I tell them where the

metals came from.

I know there are a lot of people who also know it came form vaccines and

they make total peace with it and don't think about suing and just go with

the flow. If that works for them; that works for them.

I worked HARD all my life. I had my first job at thirteen and was very

seldom unemployed after that. I worked my way through college as a

janitor. Any job that gets a person by and pays the bills is an honorable

job, but when I worked as a janitor, I came across classmates whose parents

had foot their bills for everything so they could just " study, " and some of

these were out of college and working at the very place I was a janitor, and

they had some cruel pompous things to say. I appreciate having had to work

for everything I got. But yes, I am p!$$ & * that everything I worked for got

sucked away by the damage done to my son, and it took most all of it just to

get him to where he is now.

But what I hate is that everything I worked for is now hocked --not for

something that just " happened " but because of greed. I simply want to work

towards a system that allows drug companies to be sued for the damage that

ANY of their products cause. If they don't want to be sued, then make a

safe product period. No company should be made immune from litigation. Our

elected officials have been BLACKMAILED into affording them these

protections: " Wah, Wah....if you don't make us immune we won't produce

vaccines during a pandemic and we'll just let every body die...Wah...Wah.. "

and we have elected officials without the cajones to tell them where they

can put that notion and blow it out?

Of course we don't. Because we have a system where these officials can't

get elected without the under the table dollars they are getting from them.

There is much in this country that is good. I mean they are not coming door

to door with the militia YET to force vaccinate all of us nor kill us yet if

we try to prevent the re-vaccination of our children, but there are some

things that are very broken. Jefferson himself said that democracy

could not survive without revolution from time to time. Revolutions do not

have to be bloody scourges. A revolution can occur in a wide sweeping

movement that is for the most part non-violent but involves such public

support that the governing entity MUST change. Ghandi did it. MLK Jr. did

it, and even the college students of the sixties did it (though not without

violence on the part of the some governmental faux pas there). Mere " kids "

were responsible for bringing about the pressure to end Vietnam. One kid

decided to burn his draft card and the idea caught on. What a brave soul

was he!

So I am talking about a movement to change public thinking and change our

country for the better. No one should be denied a trial by jury if they

have been injured unjustly. no one should be forced to have something

injected into them or their children if they don't want it. I believe we

have a greater enemies than Al Queda. We have the Chinese tainting

everything we buy from them with LEAD and other toxins. What a great way to

conquer a people! Dummy them down first! This is a way to win a war

without a shot ever having to be fired.

The greatest enemy to this country is APATHY. I do not call for anyone to

become involved in the drama if they are not comfortable doing so. But

given the immense powers granted to the Pharmaceutical industry, when they

have succeeded in getting all exemptions repealed, what shall you do to

protect the healing hard won for your child?

The success or failure of any goal depends not on what a person DID to

pursue the goal, but on what the individual was willing to give up to

achieve it.

Most goals are successful not by the things one did, but by the sacrifices

one made in order to do enough to make success possible.

It takes very little time or effort to plant little seeds, and little seeds

can grow very big. Whenever it rains, my son says to me, " God is crying? "

and I say, " Yes, little bird. God is crying. "

It is just not in me to sit back and keep silent about the big picture. I

am not judging anyone for their convictions. I am only saying that I must

be true to my own.

I think whatever I say will turn most people off and they'll think " What a

crazy lady, " but some will start to THINK, and then they will dig deeper,

and then maybe they won't be so quick to believe and do everything they are

told, and then just maybe ONE family can be spared the drama, one kid won't

have to go through this, and one family can keep the fruits of their labor

and hang onto the American Dream.

My faith teaches me that if I see a man sinning, and I walk by and say

nothing, then I am also guilty of the same sin, but if I speak out and try

to win the man away from his sin yet he continues to sin, I am exonerated

for trying. This is my conviction.

When I see mothers with their little babies in the stores, I think they are

where I was over ten years ago --with such hope and delight in their

hearts. I cannot compel myself to walk past without planting a seed of

thought upon them, and merely handing them a little card with some things

for them to think about. I have no doubt some shall take that card to their

pediatricians and be comforted by the same lies mine told me, but likewise,

if even one child is spared, then it is worth it.

There is no one right or wrong in this only to be true to yourself and your

own convictions.

[Guest guest]

How you said it was *good* too ( but that's besides the point with me, more so

of late, for what I'm *actually* about, towards serving Justice/Justness,

(Individual Justness?) that anyone else is doing It so well, that that doesn't

bring everything so meaningful into The equation, but I Feel It Does!

We may need to have the guts (faith) to being doing as much, to resolving such

matter, as you (we all?) bring up? is what I hope for Us, of my practicing what

I preach, (unlike so many others? I Feel) that there would be anything more

meaningful to be practicing, is not so much a question for me alone, if not so

alone, of as much, Thereof

Where that gains anyone's wrath I'm figuring they'd be the problem, (in this

respect? of Communication, real communication, that anyone but the Individual

has the responsibility to define as much, of justice if not such justice?) and

this is how I deal with as much, that I wouldn't talk to your leader

(president?) in precisely the same fashion, of how I lead my world that there

would be any other.. .

Y/our leadership leaves something to be desired?!. You could say I'm getting to

that

Glavic, S*

Outcast/of Understanding? (Your pick? .. . That there should be such reasonable

choice/s.. . for what that's worth, for any one? .. . I'm Feelin', for *every*

one, so meaningful, of my understanding how that/such/as much/Communication

works. Call it the Glavic method if you'd like, that I should care otherwise?

... .

*Communication* (of what you Feel, as understand) serves justice (that there

would be any? but I'm not seeing enough of it yet?) if not is what actually

serves justice (best) and *censorship* serves injustice and abuse, pretty much

plain and simple, as far as I'm concerned.. . Where things need to be cleared

up?!. on how that's done, I Feel as understand, well, you know what you know.. .

Thereof

Of course the government accredited (and invested) class/es serve(s) the state

if not themselves of as much (including injustice, where not so focused on as

much if not justice, of such justice? .. .). [Not an English class?!.] Beware

all bias where not so much of the greater objectivity of Understanding More, I

say by as much, [of such language, Am I?!.] of, well, you understand what you

understand by as much, or not so much at All, I Feel as Understand

Yes, *I* do tend to make people more open-minded, Hello? (do you think?) I find,

(by as much) if that ain't part of the justice process, (the *Real* One) but I

Feel It Is.

Leader in such respects?!. I figure every group worth a damn needs one, if not a

*whole* lot more.. . of such intelligence and objectivity? (if not The

objectivity? of as much? as what we Feel, as Understand) I Am, I Feel I Am,

Thereof !

I'm feeling this gives greater weight to this post.. Of Course, that would be

just me on as much, that anything else should matter? (for you? or me?) to

serving *justice,* keep *your* mind on The ball, (if not such ball?) that I have

any use for *normal* otherwise, but I hope to assure you I don't

Justice means Everything to me, from the beginning to the end of time, and

Whatever

On The answer? bonus answer? .. . There'd be a whole lot more *crime and abuse

going on without as much,* I Feel as Understand

Be so thankful, your self, of as much? .. . of such choice that there would be

any other choice(s) so meaningful, and intelligent, and just, to as much I Am, I

Feel I Am, Thereof

On Justice. That anyone or anything else can tell me what that is, that Justice

isn't served by as much, but I Feel It Is, perhaps better than anything else

See the world change and develop and become more fair/just from as much? You

might need graph paper and to start taking down the data to understand what you

know (as Feel?) by as much, that I have't got the right and responsibility to

say as much, but I Feel I Do! Indeed, that might be different, so different, as

to better your world?

Here's more than hoping so, that you haven't tried everything else?

I'm putting my faith in as much.. .

Read It or pass, or represent what I'm not and/or not about if not the problem

I'm dealing with by as much, of Feeling (of such feeling) as Understanding, of

such Justness (that there would be any justice otherwise) and what I wish for

All

That there would be another mind like that would especially please me

BWT

> >

> > I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

> > time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

> > church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

> > taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

> > comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

> > planets revolve around the sun. "

> >

> > Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

> > him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

> > under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

> >

> > He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

> > research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

> > si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

> >

> > They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

> > trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

> > now, and still the truth will not die.

> >

> > It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

> > to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

> > Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

> > persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

> > won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

> > truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

> > time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

> > my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

> > international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

> > stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

> > politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

> > but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

> > what is right.

> >

> > So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

> > least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

> > companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

> > low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

> > working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

> > false gods, and many will fall down before them.

> >

> > Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

> > Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

> > drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

> > one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

> >

> > If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

> > companies, then that's worth something.

> >

> > My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

> > still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

> > medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

> > " suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

> > he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

> > consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

> > going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

> > him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

> > following night in his sleep.

> >

> > I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

> > not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

> > " retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

> > something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

> > pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

> > sleep.

> >

> > Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

> > other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

> > unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

> > giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

> > stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

> >

> > How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

> > have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

> > over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

> > the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

> > boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

> > immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

> > stronger. "

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Haven:

 

The part of your post that really struck me when you said: 'We have the Chinese

tainting everything we buy from them with LEAD and other toxins. What a great

way to conquer a people! Dummy them down first! This is a way to win a war

without a shot ever having to be fired. "

 

Yes, " what a way to win a war "  and eliminate competition for dwindling

resources.

Lately, I have been suspecting that Amercians are unknowingly being

systematically poisoned by drugs imported from overseas. We really don't know

who's making them, who's handling them or even whether they ingredients match

the label. We blindly trust that these drugs are safe. 

 

Most Americans are so naive when it comes to pharmaceutical drugs when what they

need to do is question and insist on accountability.  Maybe if more Americans

knew that 80% of pharmaceutical drugs (and, yes, that includes vaccines) are

manufactured overseas in plants in China and India yet recieve less than 5 % of

FDA resources, they may not consider you the " crazy lady " . Actually I think you

have great instincts.  

 

China, as you recall was the where the melamine in baby formula scandal

happened. To their credit, the FDA is trying to tighten up security on the drug

supply chain.

 

 

 

read more:

 

Here's more info:

New Bill: To strengthen Government authority over Pharma supply chain

http://www.businessreviewindia.in/news/drug-safety-and-accountability-act/new-bi\

ll-strengthen-government-authority-over-pharma-supply-

an excerpt:

 

" BPTF Chairman, Brant Zell, of Cherokee Pharmaceutical said, " SOCMA thanks

Senator Bennet for introducing this common sense legislation which will

strengthen the FDA and increase public health and safety by providing additional

quality controls on drugs and their ingredients. Today, about 80% of active drug

ingredients come from overseas -- the majority from India and China -- yet

receive less than 5% of FDA's resources. This bill is a good starting point in

giving the FDA more authority, tools and resources to help ensure a safer U.S.

drug supply. "

 

He further added that the shortage of FDA inspections at foreign facilities,

authority, resources and management has resulted in major risks to the nation's

medicines. While U.S. drug makers face strong FDA oversight and enforcement,

their counterparts in India and China have little or no oversight from the FDA

or a similar agency, creating a difficult situation for American companies.

 

 

Safety of the Prescription Drug Supply

http://www.prescriptionproject.org/tools/initiatives_factsheets/files/Safety-Pre\

scription-Drug-Supply-One-Pager_v3.pdf

 

 

 

 

From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call everyone's

attention here to McCarthy's

Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:57 AM

 

Each person must decide individually what their position and stance will

be. I know many people in our town just think I am just the " crazy lady "

who can't accept her child was " born retarded. " Yes, this is EXACTLY what

they think because they do not understand autism. They think everything the

government and the TV tells them is safe is safe. They swallow propaganda

hook, line, and sinker.

Even my own father, before he passed away--- I just about had him

understanding some for the science, and then he saw the evening news on ABC,

and when the dashing anchor man said, " Vaccines don't cause autism. " My dad

gets confused. So he said to me, " If the ABC evening news reports it, then

that must be the truth. "

I can't help it if my father had blinders on. He is the same guy I caught

about to pour GASOLINE on fire ant hills because, " It will kill them. "

Well, uh, gee, Dad, if enough people keep using gasoline to kill fire ant

mounds, it could kill us all! " He couldn't see past his own little moment.

My father was of the " Great " generation. He was a navy pilot in WWII. He

loved his country, worked hard all his life, and loved God most of all.

Perhaps it was too late to convince him that BIG BUSINESS owns this

country. It owns the media. It owns our elected officials. (Notice I

didn't say they owned the " government " as for God's sake, WE are the

government, or at least we're supposed to be).

You don't have to get involved in the drama if you don't want to. You've

got enough on your mind and the most important thing is to help your child.

For myself, I like good healthy debate, and if I can find one somewhere, I

don't mind doing that, but along the way, I just plant little seeds of

thought: handing out the flu pamphlets and cards on vaccines from SafeMinds;

telling my son's story along the way, refraining from calling it " autism "

or if I do say that, I say he has " vaccine triggered autism " or I tell them

what it is that he was first diagnosed with at age three: Heavy Metal

Intoxication. And when they ask me how he got that, I tell them where the

metals came from.

I know there are a lot of people who also know it came form vaccines and

they make total peace with it and don't think about suing and just go with

the flow. If that works for them; that works for them.

I worked HARD all my life. I had my first job at thirteen and was very

seldom unemployed after that. I worked my way through college as a

janitor. Any job that gets a person by and pays the bills is an honorable

job, but when I worked as a janitor, I came across classmates whose parents

had foot their bills for everything so they could just " study, " and some of

these were out of college and working at the very place I was a janitor, and

they had some cruel pompous things to say. I appreciate having had to work

for everything I got. But yes, I am p!$$ & * that everything I worked for got

sucked away by the damage done to my son, and it took most all of it just to

get him to where he is now.

But what I hate is that everything I worked for is now hocked --not for

something that just " happened " but because of greed. I simply want to work

towards a system that allows drug companies to be sued for the damage that

ANY of their products cause. If they don't want to be sued, then make a

safe product period. No company should be made immune from litigation. Our

elected officials have been BLACKMAILED into affording them these

protections: " Wah, Wah....if you don't make us immune we won't produce

vaccines during a pandemic and we'll just let every body die...Wah...Wah.. "

and we have elected officials without the cajones to tell them where they

can put that notion and blow it out?

Of course we don't. Because we have a system where these officials can't

get elected without the under the table dollars they are getting from them.

There is much in this country that is good. I mean they are not coming door

to door with the militia YET to force vaccinate all of us nor kill us yet if

we try to prevent the re-vaccination of our children, but there are some

things that are very broken. Jefferson himself said that democracy

could not survive without revolution from time to time. Revolutions do not

have to be bloody scourges. A revolution can occur in a wide sweeping

movement that is for the most part non-violent but involves such public

support that the governing entity MUST change. Ghandi did it. MLK Jr. did

it, and even the college students of the sixties did it (though not without

violence on the part of the some governmental faux pas there). Mere " kids "

were responsible for bringing about the pressure to end Vietnam. One kid

decided to burn his draft card and the idea caught on. What a brave soul

was he!

So I am talking about a movement to change public thinking and change our

country for the better. No one should be denied a trial by jury if they

have been injured unjustly. no one should be forced to have something

injected into them or their children if they don't want it. I believe we

have a greater enemies than Al Queda. We have the Chinese tainting

everything we buy from them with LEAD and other toxins. What a great way to

conquer a people! Dummy them down first! This is a way to win a war

without a shot ever having to be fired.

The greatest enemy to this country is APATHY. I do not call for anyone to

become involved in the drama if they are not comfortable doing so. But

given the immense powers granted to the Pharmaceutical industry, when they

have succeeded in getting all exemptions repealed, what shall you do to

protect the healing hard won for your child?

The success or failure of any goal depends not on what a person DID to

pursue the goal, but on what the individual was willing to give up to

achieve it.

Most goals are successful not by the things one did, but by the sacrifices

one made in order to do enough to make success possible.

It takes very little time or effort to plant little seeds, and little seeds

can grow very big. Whenever it rains, my son says to me, " God is crying? "

and I say, " Yes, little bird. God is crying. "

It is just not in me to sit back and keep silent about the big picture. I

am not judging anyone for their convictions. I am only saying that I must

be true to my own.

I think whatever I say will turn most people off and they'll think " What a

crazy lady, " but some will start to THINK, and then they will dig deeper,

and then maybe they won't be so quick to believe and do everything they are

told, and then just maybe ONE family can be spared the drama, one kid won't

have to go through this, and one family can keep the fruits of their labor

and hang onto the American Dream.

My faith teaches me that if I see a man sinning, and I walk by and say

nothing, then I am also guilty of the same sin, but if I speak out and try

to win the man away from his sin yet he continues to sin, I am exonerated

for trying. This is my conviction.

When I see mothers with their little babies in the stores, I think they are

where I was over ten years ago --with such hope and delight in their

hearts. I cannot compel myself to walk past without planting a seed of

thought upon them, and merely handing them a little card with some things

for them to think about. I have no doubt some shall take that card to their

pediatricians and be comforted by the same lies mine told me, but likewise,

if even one child is spared, then it is worth it.

There is no one right or wrong in this only to be true to yourself and your

own convictions.

[Guest guest]

Excellent work Haven. I am a Christian and it is now obvious to me how deceived

Christians are about health in general. The expectation of " health " has been

lowered to the point where people somehow believe that people are " naturally "

born with differences in learning style. It is really difficult to explain to

them that when you have a healthy brain, you can learn any way you are taught!

There is also delusional thinking that people are gifted when they have

overcompensation in some area of their brain because of a deficiency elsewhere.

Of course the deficiency is shrugged off as a part of uniqueness, something

people equate with " cultural diversity " or whatever.

About 6 months ago, I was sitting in church. It was a new church for us, a

church that proclaimed they were on a mission to heal sickness. I was happy

because I was interested in the truth coming out and deception being revealed.

When the pastor was talking about disability, he said, " some of that (our

disabilities/learning difficulties) is just the way God made us " . From my seat,

I said very loudly, " that is a lie! " In a way, I felt bad for confronting him

in public, but the issue was so close to my heart at the time - the deception,

that I felt I had to speak. I left the sanctuary because of my emotion. There

were others that came out to talk to me and others who came to me and said they

felt the same.

Now I have had several discussions with my friends about the fact that people

have no clue, no idea, cannot even imagine what being healthy really is. We are

so far from it that we have justified the negative. It is hard to imagine, but

I believe that if we were truly healthy, we would be the same, perfect, as God

intended us - after all, he made us in his image - Does God have different

images? Can perfect love be divided? We need to be asking these questions to

our Christian friends to spur thinking on the topic.

I believe as you do, that these things proclaimed to save us are false gods.

Further, I believe vaccines are a kind of witchcraft that shows distrust in

God's creation, that our bodies have not been created good enough, that they

need some " addition " that God didn't think of. There is a reason it doesn't

feel right doing it, because it isn't right!

Haven, my son is in 7th grade and we are studying philosophy. We actually just

read about Machiavelli. Machiavelli said, " seditious people should be amputated

before they infect the whole state. " Yup, sounds like what they are trying to

do to us.

>

> I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

> time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

> church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

> taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

> comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

> planets revolve around the sun. "

>

> Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

> him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

> under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

>

> He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

> research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

> si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

>

> They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

> trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

> now, and still the truth will not die.

>

> It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

> to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

> Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

> persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

> won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

> truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

> time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

> my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

> international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

> stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

> politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

> but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

> what is right.

>

> So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

> least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

> companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

> low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

> working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

> false gods, and many will fall down before them.

>

> Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

> Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

> drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

> one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

>

> If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

> companies, then that's worth something.

>

> My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

> still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

> medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

> " suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

> he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

> consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

> going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

> him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

> following night in his sleep.

>

> I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

> not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

> " retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

> something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

> pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

> sleep.

>

> Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

> other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

> unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

> giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

> stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

>

> How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

> have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

> over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

> the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

> boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

> immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

> stronger. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have definitely noticed that too. When my son got poisoned by his Nystatin

prescription (Yellow#5 and other MSG in it), I realized the pharmaceutical

companies don't even have to label what is in the liquid suspensions they

provide to children. He was on his way to healing and they had to punch him in

the face just one more time.

>

>

> From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call

everyone's attention here to McCarthy's

>

> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:57 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Each person must decide individually what their position and stance will

> be. I know many people in our town just think I am just the " crazy lady "

> who can't accept her child was " born retarded. " Yes, this is EXACTLY what

> they think because they do not understand autism. They think everything the

> government and the TV tells them is safe is safe. They swallow propaganda

> hook, line, and sinker.

>

> Even my own father, before he passed away--- I just about had him

> understanding some for the science, and then he saw the evening news on ABC,

> and when the dashing anchor man said, " Vaccines don't cause autism. " My dad

> gets confused. So he said to me, " If the ABC evening news reports it, then

> that must be the truth. "

>

> I can't help it if my father had blinders on. He is the same guy I caught

> about to pour GASOLINE on fire ant hills because, " It will kill them. "

> Well, uh, gee, Dad, if enough people keep using gasoline to kill fire ant

> mounds, it could kill us all! " He couldn't see past his own little moment.

>

> My father was of the " Great " generation. He was a navy pilot in WWII. He

> loved his country, worked hard all his life, and loved God most of all.

> Perhaps it was too late to convince him that BIG BUSINESS owns this

> country. It owns the media. It owns our elected officials. (Notice I

> didn't say they owned the " government " as for God's sake, WE are the

> government, or at least we're supposed to be).

>

> You don't have to get involved in the drama if you don't want to. You've

> got enough on your mind and the most important thing is to help your child.

> For myself, I like good healthy debate, and if I can find one somewhere, I

> don't mind doing that, but along the way, I just plant little seeds of

> thought: handing out the flu pamphlets and cards on vaccines from SafeMinds;

> telling my son's story along the way, refraining from calling it " autism "

> or if I do say that, I say he has " vaccine triggered autism " or I tell them

> what it is that he was first diagnosed with at age three: Heavy Metal

> Intoxication. And when they ask me how he got that, I tell them where the

> metals came from.

>

> I know there are a lot of people who also know it came form vaccines and

> they make total peace with it and don't think about suing and just go with

> the flow. If that works for them; that works for them.

>

> I worked HARD all my life. I had my first job at thirteen and was very

> seldom unemployed after that. I worked my way through college as a

> janitor. Any job that gets a person by and pays the bills is an honorable

> job, but when I worked as a janitor, I came across classmates whose parents

> had foot their bills for everything so they could just " study, " and some of

> these were out of college and working at the very place I was a janitor, and

> they had some cruel pompous things to say. I appreciate having had to work

> for everything I got. But yes, I am p!$$ & * that everything I worked for got

> sucked away by the damage done to my son, and it took most all of it just to

> get him to where he is now.

>

> But what I hate is that everything I worked for is now hocked --not for

> something that just " happened " but because of greed. I simply want to work

> towards a system that allows drug companies to be sued for the damage that

> ANY of their products cause. If they don't want to be sued, then make a

> safe product period. No company should be made immune from litigation. Our

> elected officials have been BLACKMAILED into affording them these

> protections: " Wah, Wah....if you don't make us immune we won't produce

> vaccines during a pandemic and we'll just let every body die...Wah...Wah.. "

> and we have elected officials without the cajones to tell them where they

> can put that notion and blow it out?

>

> Of course we don't. Because we have a system where these officials can't

> get elected without the under the table dollars they are getting from them.

>

> There is much in this country that is good. I mean they are not coming door

> to door with the militia YET to force vaccinate all of us nor kill us yet if

> we try to prevent the re-vaccination of our children, but there are some

> things that are very broken. Jefferson himself said that democracy

> could not survive without revolution from time to time. Revolutions do not

> have to be bloody scourges. A revolution can occur in a wide sweeping

> movement that is for the most part non-violent but involves such public

> support that the governing entity MUST change. Ghandi did it. MLK Jr. did

> it, and even the college students of the sixties did it (though not without

> violence on the part of the some governmental faux pas there). Mere " kids "

> were responsible for bringing about the pressure to end Vietnam. One kid

> decided to burn his draft card and the idea caught on. What a brave soul

> was he!

>

> So I am talking about a movement to change public thinking and change our

> country for the better. No one should be denied a trial by jury if they

> have been injured unjustly. no one should be forced to have something

> injected into them or their children if they don't want it. I believe we

> have a greater enemies than Al Queda. We have the Chinese tainting

> everything we buy from them with LEAD and other toxins. What a great way to

> conquer a people! Dummy them down first! This is a way to win a war

> without a shot ever having to be fired.

>

> The greatest enemy to this country is APATHY. I do not call for anyone to

> become involved in the drama if they are not comfortable doing so. But

> given the immense powers granted to the Pharmaceutical industry, when they

> have succeeded in getting all exemptions repealed, what shall you do to

> protect the healing hard won for your child?

>

> The success or failure of any goal depends not on what a person DID to

> pursue the goal, but on what the individual was willing to give up to

> achieve it.

> Most goals are successful not by the things one did, but by the sacrifices

> one made in order to do enough to make success possible.

>

> It takes very little time or effort to plant little seeds, and little seeds

> can grow very big. Whenever it rains, my son says to me, " God is crying? "

> and I say, " Yes, little bird. God is crying. "

>

> It is just not in me to sit back and keep silent about the big picture. I

> am not judging anyone for their convictions. I am only saying that I must

> be true to my own.

>

> I think whatever I say will turn most people off and they'll think " What a

> crazy lady, " but some will start to THINK, and then they will dig deeper,

> and then maybe they won't be so quick to believe and do everything they are

> told, and then just maybe ONE family can be spared the drama, one kid won't

> have to go through this, and one family can keep the fruits of their labor

> and hang onto the American Dream.

>

> My faith teaches me that if I see a man sinning, and I walk by and say

> nothing, then I am also guilty of the same sin, but if I speak out and try

> to win the man away from his sin yet he continues to sin, I am exonerated

> for trying. This is my conviction.

>

> When I see mothers with their little babies in the stores, I think they are

> where I was over ten years ago --with such hope and delight in their

> hearts. I cannot compel myself to walk past without planting a seed of

> thought upon them, and merely handing them a little card with some things

> for them to think about. I have no doubt some shall take that card to their

> pediatricians and be comforted by the same lies mine told me, but likewise,

> if even one child is spared, then it is worth it.

>

> There is no one right or wrong in this only to be true to yourself and your

> own convictions.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just read this and we are definitely on the same page. What I meant by

avoiding social drama was more that I try to avoid debating what the media or

CDC says. I feel that it weakens my position if I keep defending it. I already

said many times that my older son regressed after MMR.

I think it is more effective to come from the flanks with different truths that

will make people think about them as a whole OR if you are educating people in

general, to specifically give them facts on the conditions they or their

children are experiencing.

>

> Each person must decide individually what their position and stance will

> be. I know many people in our town just think I am just the " crazy lady "

> who can't accept her child was " born retarded. " Yes, this is EXACTLY what

> they think because they do not understand autism. They think everything the

> government and the TV tells them is safe is safe. They swallow propaganda

> hook, line, and sinker.

>

> Even my own father, before he passed away--- I just about had him

> understanding some for the science, and then he saw the evening news on ABC,

> and when the dashing anchor man said, " Vaccines don't cause autism. " My dad

> gets confused. So he said to me, " If the ABC evening news reports it, then

> that must be the truth. "

>

> I can't help it if my father had blinders on. He is the same guy I caught

> about to pour GASOLINE on fire ant hills because, " It will kill them. "

> Well, uh, gee, Dad, if enough people keep using gasoline to kill fire ant

> mounds, it could kill us all! " He couldn't see past his own little moment.

>

>

> My father was of the " Great " generation. He was a navy pilot in WWII. He

> loved his country, worked hard all his life, and loved God most of all.

> Perhaps it was too late to convince him that BIG BUSINESS owns this

> country. It owns the media. It owns our elected officials. (Notice I

> didn't say they owned the " government " as for God's sake, WE are the

> government, or at least we're supposed to be).

>

> You don't have to get involved in the drama if you don't want to. You've

> got enough on your mind and the most important thing is to help your child.

> For myself, I like good healthy debate, and if I can find one somewhere, I

> don't mind doing that, but along the way, I just plant little seeds of

> thought: handing out the flu pamphlets and cards on vaccines from SafeMinds;

> telling my son's story along the way, refraining from calling it " autism "

> or if I do say that, I say he has " vaccine triggered autism " or I tell them

> what it is that he was first diagnosed with at age three: Heavy Metal

> Intoxication. And when they ask me how he got that, I tell them where the

> metals came from.

>

> I know there are a lot of people who also know it came form vaccines and

> they make total peace with it and don't think about suing and just go with

> the flow. If that works for them; that works for them.

>

> I worked HARD all my life. I had my first job at thirteen and was very

> seldom unemployed after that. I worked my way through college as a

> janitor. Any job that gets a person by and pays the bills is an honorable

> job, but when I worked as a janitor, I came across classmates whose parents

> had foot their bills for everything so they could just " study, " and some of

> these were out of college and working at the very place I was a janitor, and

> they had some cruel pompous things to say. I appreciate having had to work

> for everything I got. But yes, I am p!$$ & * that everything I worked for got

> sucked away by the damage done to my son, and it took most all of it just to

> get him to where he is now.

>

> But what I hate is that everything I worked for is now hocked --not for

> something that just " happened " but because of greed. I simply want to work

> towards a system that allows drug companies to be sued for the damage that

> ANY of their products cause. If they don't want to be sued, then make a

> safe product period. No company should be made immune from litigation. Our

> elected officials have been BLACKMAILED into affording them these

> protections: " Wah, Wah....if you don't make us immune we won't produce

> vaccines during a pandemic and we'll just let every body die...Wah...Wah.. "

> and we have elected officials without the cajones to tell them where they

> can put that notion and blow it out?

>

> Of course we don't. Because we have a system where these officials can't

> get elected without the under the table dollars they are getting from them.

>

> There is much in this country that is good. I mean they are not coming door

> to door with the militia YET to force vaccinate all of us nor kill us yet if

> we try to prevent the re-vaccination of our children, but there are some

> things that are very broken. Jefferson himself said that democracy

> could not survive without revolution from time to time. Revolutions do not

> have to be bloody scourges. A revolution can occur in a wide sweeping

> movement that is for the most part non-violent but involves such public

> support that the governing entity MUST change. Ghandi did it. MLK Jr. did

> it, and even the college students of the sixties did it (though not without

> violence on the part of the some governmental faux pas there). Mere " kids "

> were responsible for bringing about the pressure to end Vietnam. One kid

> decided to burn his draft card and the idea caught on. What a brave soul

> was he!

>

> So I am talking about a movement to change public thinking and change our

> country for the better. No one should be denied a trial by jury if they

> have been injured unjustly. no one should be forced to have something

> injected into them or their children if they don't want it. I believe we

> have a greater enemies than Al Queda. We have the Chinese tainting

> everything we buy from them with LEAD and other toxins. What a great way to

> conquer a people! Dummy them down first! This is a way to win a war

> without a shot ever having to be fired.

>

> The greatest enemy to this country is APATHY. I do not call for anyone to

> become involved in the drama if they are not comfortable doing so. But

> given the immense powers granted to the Pharmaceutical industry, when they

> have succeeded in getting all exemptions repealed, what shall you do to

> protect the healing hard won for your child?

>

> The success or failure of any goal depends not on what a person DID to

> pursue the goal, but on what the individual was willing to give up to

> achieve it.

> Most goals are successful not by the things one did, but by the sacrifices

> one made in order to do enough to make success possible.

>

> It takes very little time or effort to plant little seeds, and little seeds

> can grow very big. Whenever it rains, my son says to me, " God is crying? "

> and I say, " Yes, little bird. God is crying. "

>

> It is just not in me to sit back and keep silent about the big picture. I

> am not judging anyone for their convictions. I am only saying that I must

> be true to my own.

>

> I think whatever I say will turn most people off and they'll think " What a

> crazy lady, " but some will start to THINK, and then they will dig deeper,

> and then maybe they won't be so quick to believe and do everything they are

> told, and then just maybe ONE family can be spared the drama, one kid won't

> have to go through this, and one family can keep the fruits of their labor

> and hang onto the American Dream.

>

> My faith teaches me that if I see a man sinning, and I walk by and say

> nothing, then I am also guilty of the same sin, but if I speak out and try

> to win the man away from his sin yet he continues to sin, I am exonerated

> for trying. This is my conviction.

>

> When I see mothers with their little babies in the stores, I think they are

> where I was over ten years ago --with such hope and delight in their

> hearts. I cannot compel myself to walk past without planting a seed of

> thought upon them, and merely handing them a little card with some things

> for them to think about. I have no doubt some shall take that card to their

> pediatricians and be comforted by the same lies mine told me, but likewise,

> if even one child is spared, then it is worth it.

>

> There is no one right or wrong in this only to be true to yourself and your

> own convictions.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, , and recently there was a problem with the fluoride, which is

manufactured over there and then sent here, and we allow them to put it in

our water!!!

You want to know someone way ahead of his time? This was YEARS and years

ago when I saw an interview with Ted Nugent (and if you guys don't know who

he is I am going to feel very very old). anyway in this interview, he

stated that he did not eat ANYTHING he didn't grow or kill himself. He got

me to start thinking.

I am not one who believes Japan has forgiven and forgotten Hiroshima and

Nagasaki. Could you forgive if someone had vaporized millions of your

people? They put high priority on education. We spoil our children and

feed them crappy food and make them fat. Who owns most of the commercial

real estate in this country? I am not one who believes China is our friend.

And quite frankly I don't want to be friends with a country that injects

saline into the brains of newborn girls to decrease the surplus population.

Wars do not have to be fought with tanks and guns -- not when the one you

want to conquer is willing to sell their land to you or go deeply in debt

for tainted goods that poison those who might stand up against you.

Autism effects boys four times more than girls. It is mostly boys we send

off to fight our wars. Now it is one in 67. When it is one in 5, who shall

be left to fight?

I used to use the same premise back when I taught high school, trying to get

kids to think about the street drugs they bought --even marijuana. I asked

them how they could buy this stuff when they don't know what they were

cutting it with or how they were making it. It doesn't rain a lot in

Mexico. I asked them to consider how they might be watering their plants.

Smoke Pee anyone? Yuck!

You are right. These countries could be putting anything in these shots.

How do we know they aren't adding genetic time bombs to it? Maybe you don't

get autism, but maybe some years later you get cancer from it. It is

possible. Maybe something in it prevents you from procreating. I have

never seen so many women who are having trouble conceiving! Why?!

[Guest guest]

Yes! I believe this exactly! They tell us we need vaccines to survive. Why

didn't we die out then before we had vaccines?

God designed this extremely efficient immune system. It was designed to

catch things, set up a defense, fight off invaders, and then be stronger and

better prepared for the next invader who comes along.

By " tricking " the immune system, you rob it of its need to get stronger, and

then you set up dependency on vaccines in order to survive.

I am not completely against vaccine sin the presence of a clear and present

danger. I hate to have to make this decision, but if my son gets bitten by

a rabid animal, then I have a choice to make between life and certain death,

but 36 vaccines into perfectly healthy babies is just asinine!

I am leaning more and more towards self sufficiency these days! I can't

wait to plant my garden this year!!!

[Guest guest]

I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our immune

systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on us.

Sounds weird right?

From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call everyone's

attention here to McCarthy's

Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:23 PM

 

Yes! I believe this exactly! They tell us we need vaccines to survive. Why

didn't we die out then before we had vaccines?

God designed this extremely efficient immune system. It was designed to

catch things, set up a defense, fight off invaders, and then be stronger and

better prepared for the next invader who comes along.

By " tricking " the immune system, you rob it of its need to get stronger, and

then you set up dependency on vaccines in order to survive.

I am not completely against vaccine sin the presence of a clear and present

danger. I hate to have to make this decision, but if my son gets bitten by

a rabid animal, then I have a choice to make between life and certain death,

but 36 vaccines into perfectly healthy babies is just asinine!

I am leaning more and more towards self sufficiency these days! I can't

wait to plant my garden this year!!!

[Guest guest]

>

> I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our immune

systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on us.

Sounds weird right?

>

>

I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's completely

retarded.

I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a problem to

say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a genetic

disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

brain-damaged. sigh.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

[Guest guest]

I recall pouring my son's nystatin in the trash after I found out it contained

aluminum along with the food coloring and flavoring. Here we were trying to get

the metals out of him, and the doctor gives us this seemingly harmless

medication, which turns out to be bad news.

Pharma drugs have some other motive than to make people well. They seem to cause

more disease and problems in order to sell more drugs...a vicious but profitable

business for them.

Don't worry Haven, I'm the other crazy lady....lol

People walk around with blinders on. It's much nicer for them than to actually

acknowledge that we have a huge problem in society. In fact, part of what so

many of these drugs do is mentally dull you. What's rather interesting is that

my 86 year old grandfather knows what is going on, even blind as he is, he still

says we have been sold up the creek with no paddle.

But, yes, there is a problem, and if people don't wake up they will find they

have no rights.

Fix your boy....our kids are going to be the ones that are awake!

> >

> >

> >

> > From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@>

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call

everyone's attention here to McCarthy's

> >

> > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:57 AM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Each person must decide individually what their position and stance will

> > be. I know many people in our town just think I am just the " crazy lady "

> > who can't accept her child was " born retarded. " Yes, this is EXACTLY what

> > they think because they do not understand autism. They think everything the

> > government and the TV tells them is safe is safe. They swallow propaganda

> > hook, line, and sinker.

> >

> > Even my own father, before he passed away--- I just about had him

> > understanding some for the science, and then he saw the evening news on ABC,

> > and when the dashing anchor man said, " Vaccines don't cause autism. " My dad

> > gets confused. So he said to me, " If the ABC evening news reports it, then

> > that must be the truth. "

> >

> > I can't help it if my father had blinders on. He is the same guy I caught

> > about to pour GASOLINE on fire ant hills because, " It will kill them. "

> > Well, uh, gee, Dad, if enough people keep using gasoline to kill fire ant

> > mounds, it could kill us all! " He couldn't see past his own little moment.

> >

> > My father was of the " Great " generation. He was a navy pilot in WWII. He

> > loved his country, worked hard all his life, and loved God most of all.

> > Perhaps it was too late to convince him that BIG BUSINESS owns this

> > country. It owns the media. It owns our elected officials. (Notice I

> > didn't say they owned the " government " as for God's sake, WE are the

> > government, or at least we're supposed to be).

> >

> > You don't have to get involved in the drama if you don't want to. You've

> > got enough on your mind and the most important thing is to help your child.

> > For myself, I like good healthy debate, and if I can find one somewhere, I

> > don't mind doing that, but along the way, I just plant little seeds of

> > thought: handing out the flu pamphlets and cards on vaccines from SafeMinds;

> > telling my son's story along the way, refraining from calling it " autism "

> > or if I do say that, I say he has " vaccine triggered autism " or I tell them

> > what it is that he was first diagnosed with at age three: Heavy Metal

> > Intoxication. And when they ask me how he got that, I tell them where the

> > metals came from.

> >

> > I know there are a lot of people who also know it came form vaccines and

> > they make total peace with it and don't think about suing and just go with

> > the flow. If that works for them; that works for them.

> >

> > I worked HARD all my life. I had my first job at thirteen and was very

> > seldom unemployed after that. I worked my way through college as a

> > janitor. Any job that gets a person by and pays the bills is an honorable

> > job, but when I worked as a janitor, I came across classmates whose parents

> > had foot their bills for everything so they could just " study, " and some of

> > these were out of college and working at the very place I was a janitor, and

> > they had some cruel pompous things to say. I appreciate having had to work

> > for everything I got. But yes, I am p!$$ & * that everything I worked for got

> > sucked away by the damage done to my son, and it took most all of it just to

> > get him to where he is now.

> >

> > But what I hate is that everything I worked for is now hocked --not for

> > something that just " happened " but because of greed. I simply want to work

> > towards a system that allows drug companies to be sued for the damage that

> > ANY of their products cause. If they don't want to be sued, then make a

> > safe product period. No company should be made immune from litigation. Our

> > elected officials have been BLACKMAILED into affording them these

> > protections: " Wah, Wah....if you don't make us immune we won't produce

> > vaccines during a pandemic and we'll just let every body die...Wah...Wah.. "

> > and we have elected officials without the cajones to tell them where they

> > can put that notion and blow it out?

> >

> > Of course we don't. Because we have a system where these officials can't

> > get elected without the under the table dollars they are getting from them.

> >

> > There is much in this country that is good. I mean they are not coming door

> > to door with the militia YET to force vaccinate all of us nor kill us yet if

> > we try to prevent the re-vaccination of our children, but there are some

> > things that are very broken. Jefferson himself said that democracy

> > could not survive without revolution from time to time. Revolutions do not

> > have to be bloody scourges. A revolution can occur in a wide sweeping

> > movement that is for the most part non-violent but involves such public

> > support that the governing entity MUST change. Ghandi did it. MLK Jr. did

> > it, and even the college students of the sixties did it (though not without

> > violence on the part of the some governmental faux pas there). Mere " kids "

> > were responsible for bringing about the pressure to end Vietnam. One kid

> > decided to burn his draft card and the idea caught on. What a brave soul

> > was he!

> >

> > So I am talking about a movement to change public thinking and change our

> > country for the better. No one should be denied a trial by jury if they

> > have been injured unjustly. no one should be forced to have something

> > injected into them or their children if they don't want it. I believe we

> > have a greater enemies than Al Queda. We have the Chinese tainting

> > everything we buy from them with LEAD and other toxins. What a great way to

> > conquer a people! Dummy them down first! This is a way to win a war

> > without a shot ever having to be fired.

> >

> > The greatest enemy to this country is APATHY. I do not call for anyone to

> > become involved in the drama if they are not comfortable doing so. But

> > given the immense powers granted to the Pharmaceutical industry, when they

> > have succeeded in getting all exemptions repealed, what shall you do to

> > protect the healing hard won for your child?

> >

> > The success or failure of any goal depends not on what a person DID to

> > pursue the goal, but on what the individual was willing to give up to

> > achieve it.

> > Most goals are successful not by the things one did, but by the sacrifices

> > one made in order to do enough to make success possible.

> >

> > It takes very little time or effort to plant little seeds, and little seeds

> > can grow very big. Whenever it rains, my son says to me, " God is crying? "

> > and I say, " Yes, little bird. God is crying. "

> >

> > It is just not in me to sit back and keep silent about the big picture. I

> > am not judging anyone for their convictions. I am only saying that I must

> > be true to my own.

> >

> > I think whatever I say will turn most people off and they'll think " What a

> > crazy lady, " but some will start to THINK, and then they will dig deeper,

> > and then maybe they won't be so quick to believe and do everything they are

> > told, and then just maybe ONE family can be spared the drama, one kid won't

> > have to go through this, and one family can keep the fruits of their labor

> > and hang onto the American Dream.

> >

> > My faith teaches me that if I see a man sinning, and I walk by and say

> > nothing, then I am also guilty of the same sin, but if I speak out and try

> > to win the man away from his sin yet he continues to sin, I am exonerated

> > for trying. This is my conviction.

> >

> > When I see mothers with their little babies in the stores, I think they are

> > where I was over ten years ago --with such hope and delight in their

> > hearts. I cannot compel myself to walk past without planting a seed of

> > thought upon them, and merely handing them a little card with some things

> > for them to think about. I have no doubt some shall take that card to their

> > pediatricians and be comforted by the same lies mine told me, but likewise,

> > if even one child is spared, then it is worth it.

> >

> > There is no one right or wrong in this only to be true to yourself and your

> > own convictions.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Most of the fluoride used in our water comes from fertilizer plants, it's a

waste product from fertilizer and I beleive it comes right from the U.S.

http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/

http://www.whale.to/d/fluoride.html

I had read that fluoride was used in the water in concentration camps because it

subdued prisoners from mounting any defense or escape. Dunno how true that was

though.

Flouride is in most SSRI drugs. And half the people are on those now days.

Guaranteed hypothyroidism if you take them long enough.

And this is what the campaigns about " we don't need bottled water " are. They

want us to drink fluoridated water.

vaccines do cause cancer...that's going on now. You just have to do the best you

can to live a clean life yourself and for your kids. Most people don't want to

listen or do anything about this stuff. It's too much for them to handle. Too

much to realize there is a boogy man out there.

Try not to drive yourself mad with this stuff...it's sick, it's real but if you

think too much about all the crazy stuff in the world.....

it gets pretty overwhelming.

I've learned to take care of my own.....

>

> Yes, , and recently there was a problem with the fluoride, which is

> manufactured over there and then sent here, and we allow them to put it in

> our water!!!

>

> You want to know someone way ahead of his time? This was YEARS and years

> ago when I saw an interview with Ted Nugent (and if you guys don't know who

> he is I am going to feel very very old). anyway in this interview, he

> stated that he did not eat ANYTHING he didn't grow or kill himself. He got

> me to start thinking.

>

> I am not one who believes Japan has forgiven and forgotten Hiroshima and

> Nagasaki. Could you forgive if someone had vaporized millions of your

> people? They put high priority on education. We spoil our children and

> feed them crappy food and make them fat. Who owns most of the commercial

> real estate in this country? I am not one who believes China is our friend.

> And quite frankly I don't want to be friends with a country that injects

> saline into the brains of newborn girls to decrease the surplus population.

>

>

> Wars do not have to be fought with tanks and guns -- not when the one you

> want to conquer is willing to sell their land to you or go deeply in debt

> for tainted goods that poison those who might stand up against you.

>

> Autism effects boys four times more than girls. It is mostly boys we send

> off to fight our wars. Now it is one in 67. When it is one in 5, who shall

> be left to fight?

>

> I used to use the same premise back when I taught high school, trying to get

> kids to think about the street drugs they bought --even marijuana. I asked

> them how they could buy this stuff when they don't know what they were

> cutting it with or how they were making it. It doesn't rain a lot in

> Mexico. I asked them to consider how they might be watering their plants.

> Smoke Pee anyone? Yuck!

>

> You are right. These countries could be putting anything in these shots.

> How do we know they aren't adding genetic time bombs to it? Maybe you don't

> get autism, but maybe some years later you get cancer from it. It is

> possible. Maybe something in it prevents you from procreating. I have

> never seen so many women who are having trouble conceiving! Why?!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My 13 year old is SO awake I am finding out. Today he told me that he is

concerned he will not be able to make enough money as a doctor (because of not

participating with Pharma) and that if he is an engineer (what his dad wants him

to be) that he will be contributing to polluting the environment. He is doing

amazing with homeschool and I have no doubt he can be anything he wants to be

when he grows up.

He actually had a dream that he was an engineer on a ship and they threw him off

into the water, and that he climbed up on another boat and they threw him off

too. I can only imagine he has considered his career possibilities and is a bit

troubled by the ethical and financial details of all of them. I am relieved

though, that he is thinking about these things at his age, he is going to be so

much more prepared as an adult. I never had those thoughts when I was his age,

I was a sheep in school worrying about not having Guess brand jeans like the

popular girls.

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@>

> > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call

everyone's attention here to McCarthy's

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:57 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Each person must decide individually what their position and stance will

> > > be. I know many people in our town just think I am just the " crazy lady "

> > > who can't accept her child was " born retarded. " Yes, this is EXACTLY what

> > > they think because they do not understand autism. They think everything

the

> > > government and the TV tells them is safe is safe. They swallow propaganda

> > > hook, line, and sinker.

> > >

> > > Even my own father, before he passed away--- I just about had him

> > > understanding some for the science, and then he saw the evening news on

ABC,

> > > and when the dashing anchor man said, " Vaccines don't cause autism. " My

dad

> > > gets confused. So he said to me, " If the ABC evening news reports it, then

> > > that must be the truth. "

> > >

> > > I can't help it if my father had blinders on. He is the same guy I caught

> > > about to pour GASOLINE on fire ant hills because, " It will kill them. "

> > > Well, uh, gee, Dad, if enough people keep using gasoline to kill fire ant

> > > mounds, it could kill us all! " He couldn't see past his own little moment.

> > >

> > > My father was of the " Great " generation. He was a navy pilot in WWII. He

> > > loved his country, worked hard all his life, and loved God most of all.

> > > Perhaps it was too late to convince him that BIG BUSINESS owns this

> > > country. It owns the media. It owns our elected officials. (Notice I

> > > didn't say they owned the " government " as for God's sake, WE are the

> > > government, or at least we're supposed to be).

> > >

> > > You don't have to get involved in the drama if you don't want to. You've

> > > got enough on your mind and the most important thing is to help your

child.

> > > For myself, I like good healthy debate, and if I can find one somewhere, I

> > > don't mind doing that, but along the way, I just plant little seeds of

> > > thought: handing out the flu pamphlets and cards on vaccines from

SafeMinds;

> > > telling my son's story along the way, refraining from calling it " autism "

> > > or if I do say that, I say he has " vaccine triggered autism " or I tell

them

> > > what it is that he was first diagnosed with at age three: Heavy Metal

> > > Intoxication. And when they ask me how he got that, I tell them where the

> > > metals came from.

> > >

> > > I know there are a lot of people who also know it came form vaccines and

> > > they make total peace with it and don't think about suing and just go with

> > > the flow. If that works for them; that works for them.

> > >

> > > I worked HARD all my life. I had my first job at thirteen and was very

> > > seldom unemployed after that. I worked my way through college as a

> > > janitor. Any job that gets a person by and pays the bills is an honorable

> > > job, but when I worked as a janitor, I came across classmates whose

parents

> > > had foot their bills for everything so they could just " study, " and some

of

> > > these were out of college and working at the very place I was a janitor,

and

> > > they had some cruel pompous things to say. I appreciate having had to work

> > > for everything I got. But yes, I am p!$$ & * that everything I worked for

got

> > > sucked away by the damage done to my son, and it took most all of it just

to

> > > get him to where he is now.

> > >

> > > But what I hate is that everything I worked for is now hocked --not for

> > > something that just " happened " but because of greed. I simply want to work

> > > towards a system that allows drug companies to be sued for the damage that

> > > ANY of their products cause. If they don't want to be sued, then make a

> > > safe product period. No company should be made immune from litigation. Our

> > > elected officials have been BLACKMAILED into affording them these

> > > protections: " Wah, Wah....if you don't make us immune we won't produce

> > > vaccines during a pandemic and we'll just let every body

die...Wah...Wah.. "

> > > and we have elected officials without the cajones to tell them where they

> > > can put that notion and blow it out?

> > >

> > > Of course we don't. Because we have a system where these officials can't

> > > get elected without the under the table dollars they are getting from

them.

> > >

> > > There is much in this country that is good. I mean they are not coming

door

> > > to door with the militia YET to force vaccinate all of us nor kill us yet

if

> > > we try to prevent the re-vaccination of our children, but there are some

> > > things that are very broken. Jefferson himself said that democracy

> > > could not survive without revolution from time to time. Revolutions do not

> > > have to be bloody scourges. A revolution can occur in a wide sweeping

> > > movement that is for the most part non-violent but involves such public

> > > support that the governing entity MUST change. Ghandi did it. MLK Jr. did

> > > it, and even the college students of the sixties did it (though not

without

> > > violence on the part of the some governmental faux pas there). Mere " kids "

> > > were responsible for bringing about the pressure to end Vietnam. One kid

> > > decided to burn his draft card and the idea caught on. What a brave soul

> > > was he!

> > >

> > > So I am talking about a movement to change public thinking and change our

> > > country for the better. No one should be denied a trial by jury if they

> > > have been injured unjustly. no one should be forced to have something

> > > injected into them or their children if they don't want it. I believe we

> > > have a greater enemies than Al Queda. We have the Chinese tainting

> > > everything we buy from them with LEAD and other toxins. What a great way

to

> > > conquer a people! Dummy them down first! This is a way to win a war

> > > without a shot ever having to be fired.

> > >

> > > The greatest enemy to this country is APATHY. I do not call for anyone to

> > > become involved in the drama if they are not comfortable doing so. But

> > > given the immense powers granted to the Pharmaceutical industry, when they

> > > have succeeded in getting all exemptions repealed, what shall you do to

> > > protect the healing hard won for your child?

> > >

> > > The success or failure of any goal depends not on what a person DID to

> > > pursue the goal, but on what the individual was willing to give up to

> > > achieve it.

> > > Most goals are successful not by the things one did, but by the sacrifices

> > > one made in order to do enough to make success possible.

> > >

> > > It takes very little time or effort to plant little seeds, and little

seeds

> > > can grow very big. Whenever it rains, my son says to me, " God is crying? "

> > > and I say, " Yes, little bird. God is crying. "

> > >

> > > It is just not in me to sit back and keep silent about the big picture. I

> > > am not judging anyone for their convictions. I am only saying that I must

> > > be true to my own.

> > >

> > > I think whatever I say will turn most people off and they'll think " What a

> > > crazy lady, " but some will start to THINK, and then they will dig deeper,

> > > and then maybe they won't be so quick to believe and do everything they

are

> > > told, and then just maybe ONE family can be spared the drama, one kid

won't

> > > have to go through this, and one family can keep the fruits of their labor

> > > and hang onto the American Dream.

> > >

> > > My faith teaches me that if I see a man sinning, and I walk by and say

> > > nothing, then I am also guilty of the same sin, but if I speak out and try

> > > to win the man away from his sin yet he continues to sin, I am exonerated

> > > for trying. This is my conviction.

> > >

> > > When I see mothers with their little babies in the stores, I think they

are

> > > where I was over ten years ago --with such hope and delight in their

> > > hearts. I cannot compel myself to walk past without planting a seed of

> > > thought upon them, and merely handing them a little card with some things

> > > for them to think about. I have no doubt some shall take that card to

their

> > > pediatricians and be comforted by the same lies mine told me, but

likewise,

> > > if even one child is spared, then it is worth it.

> > >

> > > There is no one right or wrong in this only to be true to yourself and

your

> > > own convictions.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

No, it is the truth. Autoimmune diseases have skyrocketed over the last

twenty-five years. This is the human body's immune system turning on

itself. Remember the commercial, " It's not nice to fool Mother Nature! " ?

Well, it's not. She doesn't like to be fooled and she gets really nasty

when mankind thinks it can out do her. Why does Man think he can improve on

GOD?

If any of these big Whigs: the government, the pharmaceutical companies

etc... really gave a damn about the health of children, they would put

everything into cleaning up the food, air, and water supply. You cannot

have good health without those three, and we have been duped into believing

that they have put all these safe and clean acts in place to clean up the

environment, but it is all smoke and mirrors because they grant waivers to

gas and oil companies left and right so that they don't have to follow the

guidelines.

Vaccines or no won't matter a damn if we can't eat the food, breathe the

air, and drink the water. It's a magic act which is merely an act of

illusions. They divert your attention to a potential pandemic so you won't

notice the crap you're drinking, eating, and breathing, and THAT is exactly

what opens a human being up to disease -- these things and sanitation.

Wash your hands often. don't pee in your own backyard, but Texas is allowing

just about EVERY company foreign and domestic to pee and poo all over our

backyard. A toxic tar casnd pipeline coming through? Nuclear waste dump in

south Texas? Talk aobut " Messing with Texas. " The litter bug is the least

of our worries here!

The human race has a way of protecting itself. There was no vaccine during

the plague years, and unfortunately no one smart enough to know it could be

treated and cured with an antibiotic (There are STILL some cases of Bubonic

Plague today).

But now research has shown that those who survived the plague were in a

state of hamatomacrosis. These people passed this onto the next

generations; however in the absence of the plague, hematomacrosis is a bad

thing to have.

People who descended from ancestors who lived in very cold climates are

prone to diabetes. A diabetic state actually helps a person in extreme cold

environments. If I drop you down in the middle of Alaska in winter, your

body will create a diabetic state in an attempt to battle hypothermia.

But in the absence of frigid cold, diabetes is NOT the thing to have. I

think today more diabetes is autoimmune rather than genetic. Too many

vaccines causes the body to turn on its own pancreas, its own thyroid etc...

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the number of middle-aged women

with hypothyroidism these days? It's staggering.

Many African Americans whose ancestors lived in malaria prone areas are

susceptible to Sickle Cell disease. Ancestors passed this down via genes as

bodies adapted to the environment they were in. Having Sickle Cell protects

the body from malaria, but in the absence of malaria, sickle cell is of NO

benefit and very problematic.

I urge you all to read " Survival of the Sickest. " We need illnesses to

strengthen our immune systems and pass on REAL immunity to the next

generation. Man will not survive with immune systems dependent upon

vaccines. I find it ludicrous that the Pharma industry wants to sell us the

idea it can eradicate disease. LIFE will always find a way. This is true

for the tiniest virus and the littlest bacteria. They will adapt and evolve

to where they won't be able to come up with a vaccine fast enough to fight

the adapted virus, and THAT is where the real health disaster will come

from.

We have super bugs now that have come about due to the overuse of

antibiotics. The overuse of vaccines will bring about super viruses.

Notice that they used actual cow pox to stem the tide of the small pox

outbreak long ago. The cow poxs virus was not as invasive and very

survivable. They scraped these cow pox and found that by allowing one to

get cow pox, they were less susceptible to the more virulent small pox, so

getting cow pox and surviving lent some immunity to small pox. Go figure...

who'd a thunk it.... I just want to have an immune system that is

naturally prepared. I thank God for whatever my ancestors caught and

survived.

There is a way to vaccinate naturally. It just isn't lucrative and not cost

effective. Look at the snake keepers who allow themselves to come in

contact with small doses of venom at a time. They eventually buildup

immunity to snake bite venom. THAT is the way to go if you want some

protection ---but this stuff they mix with every kind of toxic crap

imaginable without considering biochemistry and the synergistic effects...

And yet, people line their children up like lambs to the slaughter. We just

didn't know better, but now we do, and more and more people are beginning to

question. This is a good thing.

[Guest guest]

Jan, back in 1991, I was working at this restaurant in my hometown. We had this

regular customer who told me that fluoride was put in the water to deliberately

dumb us down. We called him the guy who knew " everything about everything " . We

really thought what he said was pretty ridiculous. Come to find out, he wasn't

as off as we thought.

I got the question the other day, " why shouldn't we use fluoride on her teeth? "

and I couldn't answer. I just said, " we don't but I don't know exactly why -

but I do know it's a waste product of aluminum mining. " That's all I could come

up with. Do you have anything better to add?

Liz

> >

> > Yes, , and recently there was a problem with the fluoride, which is

> > manufactured over there and then sent here, and we allow them to put it in

> > our water!!!

> >

> > You want to know someone way ahead of his time? This was YEARS and years

> > ago when I saw an interview with Ted Nugent (and if you guys don't know who

> > he is I am going to feel very very old). anyway in this interview, he

> > stated that he did not eat ANYTHING he didn't grow or kill himself. He got

> > me to start thinking.

> >

> > I am not one who believes Japan has forgiven and forgotten Hiroshima and

> > Nagasaki. Could you forgive if someone had vaporized millions of your

> > people? They put high priority on education. We spoil our children and

> > feed them crappy food and make them fat. Who owns most of the commercial

> > real estate in this country? I am not one who believes China is our friend.

> > And quite frankly I don't want to be friends with a country that injects

> > saline into the brains of newborn girls to decrease the surplus population.

> >

> >

> > Wars do not have to be fought with tanks and guns -- not when the one you

> > want to conquer is willing to sell their land to you or go deeply in debt

> > for tainted goods that poison those who might stand up against you.

> >

> > Autism effects boys four times more than girls. It is mostly boys we send

> > off to fight our wars. Now it is one in 67. When it is one in 5, who shall

> > be left to fight?

> >

> > I used to use the same premise back when I taught high school, trying to get

> > kids to think about the street drugs they bought --even marijuana. I asked

> > them how they could buy this stuff when they don't know what they were

> > cutting it with or how they were making it. It doesn't rain a lot in

> > Mexico. I asked them to consider how they might be watering their plants.

> > Smoke Pee anyone? Yuck!

> >

> > You are right. These countries could be putting anything in these shots.

> > How do we know they aren't adding genetic time bombs to it? Maybe you don't

> > get autism, but maybe some years later you get cancer from it. It is

> > possible. Maybe something in it prevents you from procreating. I have

> > never seen so many women who are having trouble conceiving! Why?!

> >

> >

> >