Re: I am really worried &amp; want to call everyone&#039;s attention here to McCarthy&#039;s

http://www.fluoridation.com/brain.htm

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January 16, 2011

That's a slippery slope, for The freedom, of expression, of Communication...

should not be limited (as it is not about limiting in that respect?) or

practised according to another if not lesser purpose (or authority?) is another

way of saying perhaps, that criticizing people's choice of words in denying them

as much is as bad if not worse than using the R word., (In my view) ie., better

the R word than limiting and stifling communication.. .

The big G (gossiping, lying hose-bag government? may not be yours) is all about

teach what to say and how to say it which has little or nothing to do with

communication (what *you're* trying to say? that anything else should matter

with respect to as much?) and setting us free (by as much) as far as I'm

concerned, but of the editing job that the governemt/state would have in mind

for us otherwise, which would be memory-work-city (as far as I'm concerned) that

only such a state could manage and be our task-master in that respect, and our

demise as Individuals of Communication and Understanding More, surely? as seems

to be becoming, somewhat, of political correctness? .. .

Where you wanted to know how I Feel on the matter. True, I don't use the

retarded word very much anymore, but some things *are* retarded (and abusive,

and criminal even if not especially?) and sending those words *away* (or the

folks who use them?) isn't going to effectively deal with the matter (underlying

issues) as far as I'm concerned. And no, I'm not a nigger either, though

*sometimes* I Feel like one. (We came from a land of slaves? of sorts?)

Thanks for all your feelings in that respect, that we could be so objective?

that being more objective about our feelings would be the thing? in dealing with

as much, that anyting else should matter, that everything else would be so just

So I suppose no one would be wrong in that respect and would be especially right

by talking about it and getting as much off our minds, for whatever

communication would be worth? (do you think?) isn't so much a question for me

alone, if not so alone.. .

Glavic

Yeah, I'm thinking criticism is the essence of The prosecution that the more

meaningful treatment of one and All wouldn't encompass as much for justness if

not such justness but I Feel It Does

It's the best I Feel I can do to deal with all the BS all over the Interent and

world about me and us otherwise? .. . Sorry where that might have seemed to be

digressing? Yes, sometimes I Feel retarded (in trying to answer to everything

said about me?!. might be the essence of being really retarded) Perhaps the real

retarded ones are the ones who get violent and abusive about communication and

freedom of expression, though, do you think? .. . I've been known to feel that

way myself, (so don't worry? look at me now?!.) like, who hasn't been so

retarded? Sticks and stones? .. .

Names should never hurt? Something I'm working on, with names, no less, that the

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth isn't about as much and so

virtuous, but I Feel It Is. So continue to press the matter?!.

I figure a liar would be worse than a retard in the traditional sense of the

word (?). I figure a censor would be the worst. I don't even have a good name

for censors yet, I feel they are, *so* bad. Don't be a censor? And don't use the

R word where you would be lying, because that's not especially good either, (is

the best I can say about what we might have against the R word? Hello) and when

wouldn't you be lying when using the retarded word, well, begs the question? ..

.. of, everthing somewhat being relative, that we can't talk about that and get

to the root of our problem(s) by as much, (where there is no censorship?) but I

Feel we can, and should, where it is presenting a problem for you, or us, or

whoever

That'd be my sense of the whole realm of as much, somewhat?!. I figure *censors*

are the real low-life (danger) we need to be more concerned about and with (in

dealing with as much) and why I Feel I needed to interject (in the pursuit of

justice, of as much no less) in that respect of *communication* and what I feel

communication serves with respect to understanding more for ourselves by as

much, that censorship isn't the opposite of all that, but I Feel It Is, and is

what primarily gets us down the road of crime and abuse and everthing not so

truly, revealing, that we could be about as much

That'd be me, Mr. Optimstic on as much.. . (somewhat) I Feel as understand.. .

Best wishes, Thereof, and not so much otherwise? .. .

Yes, that was meant to help.

BWT

> > > >

> > > > I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our

immune systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on

us. Sounds weird right?

> > > >

> > >

> > > I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's

completely retarded.

> > >

> > > I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a problem

to say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a genetic

disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

brain-damaged. sigh.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > > http://www.solanorail.com

> > >

> >

>

January 16, 2011

Some reasons that fluoride is bad:

1. It is a neurotoxin http://www.fluoridation.com/brain.htm

2. Studies have shown a correlation to fluoride in water and increased lead

levels in children http://fluoridation.com/lead.htm

3. Fluoride has been linked to alzheimers, dementia, and decreased IQ

There must be something wrong with it when they tell you not to allow kids to

swallow toothpaste that contains fluoride and don't even put it in " training

toothpaste " for little kids.

Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva

www.fcchiropracticcenter.com

> > >

> > > Yes, , and recently there was a problem with the fluoride, which is

> > > manufactured over there and then sent here, and we allow them to put it in

> > > our water!!!

> > >

> > > You want to know someone way ahead of his time? This was YEARS and years

> > > ago when I saw an interview with Ted Nugent (and if you guys don't know

who

> > > he is I am going to feel very very old). anyway in this interview, he

> > > stated that he did not eat ANYTHING he didn't grow or kill himself. He

got

> > > me to start thinking.

> > >

> > > I am not one who believes Japan has forgiven and forgotten Hiroshima and

> > > Nagasaki. Could you forgive if someone had vaporized millions of your

> > > people? They put high priority on education. We spoil our children and

> > > feed them crappy food and make them fat. Who owns most of the commercial

> > > real estate in this country? I am not one who believes China is our

friend.

> > > And quite frankly I don't want to be friends with a country that injects

> > > saline into the brains of newborn girls to decrease the surplus

population.

> > >

> > > Wars do not have to be fought with tanks and guns -- not when the one you

> > > want to conquer is willing to sell their land to you or go deeply in debt

> > > for tainted goods that poison those who might stand up against you.

> > >

> > > Autism effects boys four times more than girls. It is mostly boys we send

> > > off to fight our wars. Now it is one in 67. When it is one in 5, who

shall

> > > be left to fight?

> > >

> > > I used to use the same premise back when I taught high school, trying to

get

> > > kids to think about the street drugs they bought --even marijuana. I

asked

> > > them how they could buy this stuff when they don't know what they were

> > > cutting it with or how they were making it. It doesn't rain a lot in

> > > Mexico. I asked them to consider how they might be watering their plants.

> > > Smoke Pee anyone? Yuck!

> > >

> > > You are right. These countries could be putting anything in these shots.

> > > How do we know they aren't adding genetic time bombs to it? Maybe you

don't

> > > get autism, but maybe some years later you get cancer from it. It is

> > > possible. Maybe something in it prevents you from procreating. I have

> > > never seen so many women who are having trouble conceiving! Why?!

> > >

January 16, 2011

:

You should use whatever word you prefer. A few ask, including myself, that you

know that for many people the word is hurtful, whether or not it's now commonly

used a perjorative term outside of the special-needs community. It is less a

lesson in political correctness, but more of a request.

Having a clinically mentally retarded son myself, I find it hurtful when family

members and friends throw out the term, and am surprised at how often it is

used. I am personally working very, very hard to get him to learn how to hold a

pencil, color, point to his nose when I say nose, wave when I say wave, and

otherwise improve his cognition. I have been to hell and back several times with

him. It would simply break my heart if I was able to get him to a point

cognitively only to one day have him come to me and ask " what does retarded

mean? " or " what's a retard? "

That's all....

Monika

Mother to Henry , age 4

Left true total hemimegalencephaly

Left half of brain removed in three 14-hour surgeries to stop intractable

epilepsy

VP shunt

Chiari malformation

Non-verbal

Partially blind

Cerebral palsy

Epilepsy

Mental retardation

and ..... autism

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From: ladyshrink222 <Ladyshrink111@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 6:33:17 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call everyone's

attention here to McCarthy's

Well, teach us, what word do you prefer?

R

> > >

> > > I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our immune

>systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on us.

>Sounds weird right?

> > >

> >

> > I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's

>completely retarded.

> >

> > I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a problem

to

>say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a genetic

>disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

>brain-damaged. sigh.

> >

> > Michele

www.fcchiropracticcenter.com

> >

>

January 16, 2011

I know I used that word in referring to how many of these children are

viewed by others -- most notably those in the educational arena as it stands

today. That is how " They " view a child with ASD -- that is NOT my

perspective at all. They may not use the word aloud to deny a child FAPE,

but they are thinking it in context as if to say, " This child is _________

and therefore cannot learn and cannot be taught and it is a waste of money

to try to do so. " It is the thinking that is wrong and the word only in so

much as its context and what it causes people to do or not do. I do not

care for the word for what others use it to connote. I am more concerned

with the actions being instigated against ALL children with disabilities in

this state -- or perhaps I should say non-actions. If any label is used to

deny individuals their inalienable rights or civil rights, then that is

injustice.

The actions are politically incorrect. The actions destroy the tenets of

whatever faiths and beliefs they hold. One cannot turn its back on these

and also say they are Christian or they are Americans or they are

whatever... To deny one these rights and uphold *that *chips away at the

whole.

I have yet to see Christ sitting at an ARD table while many there meet up

with Him on Sunday morn, claiming to have done His will. And the state can

claim " separation " of it from one's relrigion, but a follower cannot

separate himself from his faith for even a moment. You either take it with

you everywhere you go or you don't , and in those times you don't, then you

deny that faith and Him. You can't pick and choose times to be a believer

and other times to not. And even if it is some other Deity one holds belief

in or simply a beleif in a certain morality -- how quickly it all changes

depending on the situation. Some hold these tenets only when it is

conveneient to do so. True beleif is that which is carried everywhere you

go and where reliance on it is constant.

My statement in which I referred to the " R " word applied to the thinking

which I beleive is used to deny children their rights and nothing more.

However, in a democracy I uphold anyone's right to free speech whether it is

deemed politically correct or not. I may not like what I hear and may turn

a deaf ear, but I uphold a person's right to say it. When we start making

laws about what people can say and not say, then democracy feels the sting.

But I do have the right to turn a deaf ear, turn it off, delete it, or walk

away. There are words which when I here them turn my stomach.

If I could have my way, then I should wish to stop the " thinking " of this

word in application to children or any other human being. Let me know when

it is possible to make thinking " politically correct. " Then we might begin

to change the world for the better for all those who march to the beat of a

different drummer.

" What's in a word? " wrote Shakespeare. The answer is nothing. It is not

the word but the consequences and actions of belief in the word that makes

it volatile. And anyone who would utter the word when looking at my child is

far more disabled than my son will ever be. I blow them off.

But I am glad this word is being stricken in legal context. But create a

law where it can't be said? I mean, they have just released a revision of

Huck Finn. I think new readers will sadly miss the point of what Twain was

trying to say about slavery and prejudice at that time in history, so I am

against the censorship they have applied to this literary work. Twain is no

doubt rolling in his grave and shaking his head. It is possible that many

place so much importance on a single word that they lose sight of the bigger

picture?

, It didn't bother me in the least. I respect your right to your

opinion. " Autoimmunity " makes perfect sense to me simply as an expression

of describing conditions in which one's immune system attacks some part of

itself. We did not have these disorders in great numbers when I was a

child. You rarely heard of anyone with MS, scleroderma, lupus, Hashimoto's

etc...

These people's lives are being extended due to being given drugs that

suppress the immune system. I keep looking for the answers as why one's

immune system would begin to attack some part of itself. I'm curious.

There, too, must be many contributing factors.

January 16, 2011

Fluoride is very toxic and it is is a poor deterrent to tooth decay and can

actually erode the teeth. It is very toxic when swallowed. We drink no

fluoridated water here. From what I have read, it is bad to bathe or have

anything to do with it. We have NO need for fluoride in our bodies.

I think I saw Dr. Oz or someone who said iodine is a great deterrent to

tooth decay. We need iodine in our bodies, and No one is probably getting

enough since food is not fortified with it. --except table salt, of course,

but you would need seventeen teaspoons of table salt a day to get enough

iodine. That would be crazy. You can get it from sea food but then you've

got to worry about the mercury there. You can get it from eating sea

vegetables, or you can take a supplement like Iodoral, which we do here. I

don't know in what from one would use it for teeth, so don't go trying that

without finding out first because it comes in different forms and some of

those are toxic as well.

January 16, 2011

Xylitol is also excellent in preventing tooth decay and is also effective in

preventing the growth of strep.

Haven, I agree that most people do not get enough iodine. It used to be found

in processed food because they used iodized salt. However, many processed food

manufacturers have stopped using it because it is cheaper to use un-iodized

salt. The number of people suffering from thyroid goiters (which is the reason

that they began iodizing salt) is increasing due to the lack of iodine in the

diet.

Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva

>

> Fluoride is very toxic and it is is a poor deterrent to tooth decay and can

> actually erode the teeth. It is very toxic when swallowed. We drink no

> fluoridated water here. From what I have read, it is bad to bathe or have

> anything to do with it. We have NO need for fluoride in our bodies.

>

> I think I saw Dr. Oz or someone who said iodine is a great deterrent to

> tooth decay. We need iodine in our bodies, and No one is probably getting

> enough since food is not fortified with it. --except table salt, of course,

> but you would need seventeen teaspoons of table salt a day to get enough

> iodine. That would be crazy. You can get it from sea food but then you've

> got to worry about the mercury there. You can get it from eating sea

> vegetables, or you can take a supplement like Iodoral, which we do here. I

> don't know in what from one would use it for teeth, so don't go trying that

> without finding out first because it comes in different forms and some of

> those are toxic as well.

>

January 16, 2011

I don't think she was using that word in a hurtful context, and she's been a

tremendous help to many parents on this board, including myself.

> > >

> > > I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our immune

systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on us.

Sounds weird right?

> > >

> >

> > I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's

completely retarded.

> >

> > I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a problem

to say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a genetic

disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

brain-damaged. sigh.

> >

> > Michele

> >

>

January 16, 2011

>

> :

>

> You should use whatever word you prefer. A few ask, including myself, that

you

> know that for many people the word is hurtful, whether or not it's now

commonly

> used a perjorative term outside of the special-needs community. It is less a

> lesson in political correctness, but more of a request.

>

I have two children with learning disabilities. My oldest is likely literally

brain-damaged from a fall when he was an infant. I don't think I have ever

referred to a person as a " retard " . But I do have strong negative feelings

about some of the concepts and mental models put forth by medical professionals,

which I think cause enormous and very real harm to people and help to keep them

sick.

I dislike the concept " auto immune disorder " and the attitude professionals have

that your body is simply attacking itself for no apparent reason. There is a

post in this discussion where a member (I think Haven, but I am not going to

look it up -- I have been throwing up today and slept much of the day away)

talked about things like people (whose ancestors are) from cold climates are

prone to diabetes -- that high blood sugar is adaptive in the cold. I think

that viewing that as " an auto immune disorder " is a little like saying a fish

out of water has an auto immune disorder and that is why it is dying. If the

body has been adapted to a certain over many generations and then put in a new

environment and functions poorly, I don't think it is very accurate of helpful

to say that their body is simply attacking itself for no real reason, because it

is " disordered " . The adaptation they have is better suited to a different

climate and they have been removed from it. Their body works differently.

Understanding how their body works and accommodating that in some fashion has

been far more effective for me than the drugs and surgeries that are the normal

treatment for my genetic disorder.

If the concept of " auto immune disorders " was getting people well, great! But I

haven't seen that it does. I have seen that it serves as smoke and mirrors to

distract people from taking effective action. It promotes a sense of

helplessness, like there isn't anything you can *really* do about it. That

doesn't fit with my experience at all.

Peace.

Michele

http://www.solanorail.com

January 16, 2011

I offend quite a lot of people. Getting myself well is apparently politically

incorrect and incredibly rude to doctors as it fails to kowtow to the idea that

they know what they are talking about. I have found that it matters very little

what " language " I use. People who agree with me and find me helpful will get

it. People who don't will come up with some reason to be offended no matter

what I do. I have been thrown off a GFCF/Celiac list for the crime of

suggesting that it might be possible to get well and no longer need to be GFCF

by pursuing chelation. The list owner worked for a company selling GFCF

products and there is a recession on. More recently, I left a list where I put

one word in all caps for emphasis and was gotten after by the list owner and

several list members for " yelling " at someone. The person I was addressing also

put one or more words in all caps and was not similarly given hell for it. It

was very clear to me that the all caps word was not the real issue. The real

issue is that I make a lot of people enormously uncomfortable and it is

unforgivable.

I do everything in my power to treat other people with genuine respect and to

offer assistance to people in spite of how much open hostility I routinely

receive for it. I have given up on trying to be PC. Getting well is not PC.

Agreeing with doctors that people like me don't get well and politely dying a

slow torturous death so they could feel like their high salaries and high social

status are deserved would be PC. No thank you. There isn't anything anyone can

legally do to me which is worse than what would be happening to me if I politely

went along to get along.

I am sorry you are offended. But I am not retracting my opinion that many

current medical mental models are basically so stupid and ineffectual as to be

brain damaged.

Michele

http://www.solanorail.como

> > >

> > > I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our immune

systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on us.

Sounds weird right?

> > >

> >

> > I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's

completely retarded.

> >

> > I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a problem

to say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a genetic

disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

brain-damaged. sigh.

> >

> > Michele

> >

>

January 16, 2011

The Catholic church is occult, and it has perpetrated occult leadership for

centuries. This polarizes a community into subordinating to occult leadership

and the Rex, the mother of them being the Dionysians (Belgium, Whales and

Switzerland). The recent Tucson shooting incident was a Dionysian stage-managed

child sacrifice ritual in the face of America, and these monsters culled the

public into participating in it's meditative moment of silence afterward,

meaning even this child's parents were unwittingly schmoozed into participating

in the sacrifice of their own child. Such is designed to create hysteria that

networked SSO cohorts will use to attempt to formulate legislation directed at

circumventing the 1st amendment, an oversight policy that was designed to

protect us from the very people who are trying to take it away under cover of US

policy. This is an example of Dionysian subversion, and the sooner people

figure this out the more capable we will be to rout them from the senate in

2012, regardless of their debauchery activities.

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From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 8:24:20 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call everyone's

attention here to McCarthy's

I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

planets revolve around the sun. "

Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

now, and still the truth will not die.

It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

what is right.

So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

false gods, and many will fall down before them.

Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

companies, then that's worth something.

My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

" suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

following night in his sleep.

I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

" retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

sleep.

Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

stronger. "

January 16, 2011

I think Suzanne explained it fine. It's a poison and this is what I tell our

dental hygienist when she asks about using it for my kids. I acknowledge that

it's contrary to what she was taught in dental school, but that we don't use it.

It replace calcium in the bones, and it doesn't come out. It's cumulative and

toxic. I think those links I gave also would provide some other information

that may help to explain it next time somenoe asks. However, they probably won't

beleive you.

But at least you will have something to tell them.

Jan

> > > >

> > > > Yes, , and recently there was a problem with the fluoride, which is

> > > > manufactured over there and then sent here, and we allow them to put it

in

> > > > our water!!!

> > > >

> > > > You want to know someone way ahead of his time? This was YEARS and

years

> > > > ago when I saw an interview with Ted Nugent (and if you guys don't know

who

> > > > he is I am going to feel very very old). anyway in this interview, he

> > > > stated that he did not eat ANYTHING he didn't grow or kill himself. He

got

> > > > me to start thinking.

> > > >

> > > > I am not one who believes Japan has forgiven and forgotten Hiroshima and

> > > > Nagasaki. Could you forgive if someone had vaporized millions of your

> > > > people? They put high priority on education. We spoil our children

and

> > > > feed them crappy food and make them fat. Who owns most of the

commercial

> > > > real estate in this country? I am not one who believes China is our

friend.

> > > > And quite frankly I don't want to be friends with a country that injects

> > > > saline into the brains of newborn girls to decrease the surplus

population.

> > > >

> > > > Wars do not have to be fought with tanks and guns -- not when the one

you

> > > > want to conquer is willing to sell their land to you or go deeply in

debt

> > > > for tainted goods that poison those who might stand up against you.

> > > >

> > > > Autism effects boys four times more than girls. It is mostly boys we

send

> > > > off to fight our wars. Now it is one in 67. When it is one in 5, who

shall

> > > > be left to fight?

> > > >

> > > > I used to use the same premise back when I taught high school, trying to

get

> > > > kids to think about the street drugs they bought --even marijuana. I

asked

> > > > them how they could buy this stuff when they don't know what they were

> > > > cutting it with or how they were making it. It doesn't rain a lot in

> > > > Mexico. I asked them to consider how they might be watering their

plants.

> > > > Smoke Pee anyone? Yuck!

> > > >

> > > > You are right. These countries could be putting anything in these

shots.

> > > > How do we know they aren't adding genetic time bombs to it? Maybe you

don't

> > > > get autism, but maybe some years later you get cancer from it. It is

> > > > possible. Maybe something in it prevents you from procreating. I have

> > > > never seen so many women who are having trouble conceiving! Why?!

> > > >

January 16, 2011

No, I was saying some diabetes seen today is the result of an immune system

gone awry. The diabetes that is descended from Icelandic peoples is a

result of gene adaptation. --as if Nature or whatever powers that be

realizes progeny several generations later will face the same climate, and

so it adapts. The main quality of this is not so much the sugar as the

dumping of water from cells. This is why we have to pee more when we are

out in the cold for long periods of time. it is the bodies attempt to fight

hypothermia. Frozen water inside cells is very bad. There are two kinds:

genteic diabetes and autoimmune. But yes I do believe human immune systems

are turning on themselves. I, too, disdain doctors who shrug it off and

" don't know why. "

My theory is that we invented vaccines to trick immune systems, and this is

the result. Immune systems then don't really know what to fight. They've

had no real practice, and now can't tell friend from invader.

Or maybe by preventing immune systems to do naturally what they are supposed

to do, they get stupid and weak. The system is designed to fight.

Think of it like a lion who is born to live free and to hunt etc... We stick

it in a zoo in a fourteen by twenty cage. Ugh, can you mange the

frustration of not being able to do what your genetic code has designed you

to do?

There are some studies out there about women, such as myself, who have a

certain allele where we do not hold titers to rubella, and of course,

doctors keep wanting to re-vaccinate us over and over, thinking they can

force our immune systems to hold the titers, but we don't no matter how many

times they vaccinate us. Why won't we hold the titers? Who knows. Anyway,

the studies showed two interesting possibilities: these women had a higher

incidence of having children who regress into autism after vaccination, and

secondly that these women who were re-vaccinated against rubella had a much

higher incidence of autoimmune disease. I just find it interesting.

I'd like to see a study of the incidence of autoimmune disease in the

vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. I'm betting incidence of MS,

scleroderma, lupus are lower in unvaccinated populations. Wish I had the

money to fund that study.

January 16, 2011

yes, she has. and no she didn't mean it in a hurtful context.

January 16, 2011

Yes, Iodine is important for so much more, as well! I had my first breast

biopsy at age 27. I had fibrorcystic breast disease from my early twenties

on. three more biopsies in my forties and dysplastic cells removed along

with an adenoma (right wear I used to apply aluminum-containing

antiperspirant). Then a wonderful doctor opened my eyes, tested me for

iodine deficiency (I was very deficient). I have been on Iodoral ever

sense. I threw out all coated pans, rarely eat food from cans, do not cook

nor store food in foil, and only use all natural deodorant. Since doing

these things, I have NO fibrocystic breast " disease, " and my mammograms have

been perfect.

Iodine is vital to breast health and so much more! Sometimes I think so

many things called " disease " are the manifestation of long term

deficiencies.

Still more work to do in cleaning up my own diet, though.

January 16, 2011

I agree, this is silly. While I do not wish to cause any undue anxiety to the

parent of a mentally retarded child, changing the terminology gives in to the

ill mannered who gave it a perjorative meaning in the first place.

It would be like one of us taking offense at our kids being called Autistic.

They are and if you have an Autistic child the least of your worries is what

someone calls them.

The offense is in the intent. No one used the term in an offensive way.

This politically correct stuff is just another way for people to be victims. Or

to make others uncomfortable when no malice was intended because you want people

to feel sorry for what happened to you. Would work really well with people with

healthy children but, wrong list.

And then what will you do when the new, supposedly more acceptable term is used

in an offensive way?

R

> > > >

> > > > I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our

immune systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on

us. Sounds weird right?

> > > >

> > >

> > > I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's

completely retarded.

> > >

> > > I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a problem

to say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a genetic

disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

brain-damaged. sigh.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > > http://www.solanorail.com

> > >

> >

>

January 16, 2011

Give 'em hell . They can come up with any term they want. it is

how they use the terms that matter. It doesn't matter what it is called.

Hell, I think it is stupid to call it " autism. " I think " autism " is nothing

more than a politically correct term made up to exonerate -- well, just

about everybody who may have something to do with this " epidemic. " It gets

doctors, drug companies, politicians, gas, oil, factory, and electric

companies off the hook, soon one has to think about the invisible forces

causing it. they can call is " autism " and then say " We don't know what

causes it, " and then act like well it just " happens. "

Chances are there is no such thing as " autism. " it is all just varrying

degrees of toxic encephalopathy that no one want s to explain nor take

responsibility for.

January 16, 2011

Basically, I feel there is no " nice " way to express an ugly truth. Nor do I

think there is any benefit in trying to do so (and potential harm in making an

ugly truth sound all lovely). My feelings on the matter are pretty ugly. I

don't see why I should feel all polite and PC about doctors wanting me to suffer

so much so they can feel good about what they do. (I did refrain earlier from

saying " Perhaps you would be less offended by my opinion that some doctors

should be taken out and shot for what they do. " )

Anyway, I feel completely miserable at the moment. Long experience tells me

that's a good time to shut up and stay off the internet.

talk to y'all later.

Michele

http://www.solanorail.com

> > > > >

> > > > > I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our

immune systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on

us. Sounds weird right?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's

completely retarded.

> > > >

> > > > I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a

problem to say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a

genetic disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

brain-damaged. sigh.

> > > >

> > > > Michele

> > > > http://www.healthgazelle.com

> > > > http://www.kidslikemine.com

> > > > http://www.solanorail.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 16, 2011

,

Don't beat yourself up. i feel like you do sometimes and get so angry at

doctors and call them child poisoners. There will be lots of white coats in

hell, I think.

Hope you feel better soon!

January 16, 2011

I hate saying my son is on the autism spectrum. Autism????? He's bright, smart,

very unique but when I think of " autism " it's not him.

When it hits personal, well, it's ok but we have have our pet peeves, trust me!

Tammy

[ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call everyone's

attention here to McCarthy's

Well, teach us, what word do you prefer?

R

> > >

> > > I know a person in medical research who says the same thing. If our

immune

>systems don't have enough illness to fight they get confused and turn on us.

>Sounds weird right?

> > >

> >

> > I loathe the entire concept of " auto-immune disorders " . I think it's

>completely retarded.

> >

> > I don't mean that to be inflammatory and I hope it doesn't cause a problem

to

>say it here. That's just my personal feeling as someone who has a genetic

>disorder and finds much of what gets said about such things really

>brain-damaged. sigh.

> >

> > Michele

> >

>

January 16, 2011

Oh, I'm not beating myself up. It is hard to sound " positive " when I am in a

lot of pain. And I just don't have the patience to deal with the fall out that

occurs when I step in it badly while feeling miserable. An ounce of prevention

and all that.

take care.

Michele