Re: Not Otherwise Specified

[Guest guest]

Not that I've ever heard of....

I hear you...rant all you want! The diagnosis should be No Idea, instead of NOS.

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> Is there a label of Cancer-NOS, or Heart Disease-NOS, how about diabetes-NOS?

Is there any other well known ailment, disease or otherwise, that has -NOS after

it? No need for anyone to answer really just needed to rant.

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[Guest guest]

There are medical Dx's with NOS, Immune dysfunction, NOS, etc.

NOS just means they don't fit the criteria " exactly " for the disorder, but they

are close. Or that they have the disorder but the cause is unknown.

Pdd-NOS's are very good responders to Biomed.

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> Is there a label of Cancer-NOS, or Heart Disease-NOS, how about diabetes-NOS?

Is there any other well known ailment, disease or otherwise, that has -NOS after

it? No need for anyone to answer really just needed to rant.

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[Guest guest]

Not every person fits that same mold " of what is wrong " with an autism

diagnoses. Too many variables. Crazy!

[ ] Re: Not Otherwise Specified

There are medical Dx's with NOS, Immune dysfunction, NOS, etc.

NOS just means they don't fit the criteria " exactly " for the disorder, but

they are close. Or that they have the disorder but the cause is unknown.

Pdd-NOS's are very good responders to Biomed.

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> Is there a label of Cancer-NOS, or Heart Disease-NOS, how about

diabetes-NOS? Is there any other well known ailment, disease or otherwise, that

has -NOS after it? No need for anyone to answer really just needed to rant.

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[Guest guest]

You will be happy or infuriated to know that in the new DSM (diagnostic and

statistical manual) for clinicians there will no longer be Aspergers or Pdd-NOS.

All the kids will be lumped in together under " Autism "

Much like there used to be a separate classification for ADD and ADHD, now they

are all ADHD.

I'm not fond of the lumping together as an inattentive child and a hyperactive

child are two different animals and there is a wide variety in functioning

between an Autistic and Asperger child, but no one asked me ;-) I'm just one of

the many chumps who do the dx'ing.

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diabetes-NOS? Is there any other well known ailment, disease or otherwise, that

has -NOS after it? No need for anyone to answer really just needed to rant.

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[Guest guest]

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I see your point. Lumping them all together under one diagnosis sets these

children up for too many assumptions in too many areas, especially in the

educational arena as well as medically. My son spent some of his time as

PDD-NOS and is still immune dysfunction NOS and metabolic disorder NOS. I

just took it to mean that since they were at first SURE it was 's and

then realized it wasn't, they were stumped, so this is what they do. They

know it is an immune disorder and a metabolic disorder but they have no clue

as what caused it. DUH......

Haven

[Guest guest]

I think there may be several reasons for lumping kids in one group,

diagnostically speaking.

ADHD kids got a sometimes deservedly bad reputation as being hard to deal with.

So if we make them all ADHD, that may not happen.

The minute some people/professionals hear an " Autism " DX, they assume the child

is Not teachable and the expectations are geared downward. If even Asperger

kids and HFA kids are all lumped together, there is less of a negative

perception.

Still not liking it although I can see certain advantages for people who would

quickly pidgeon hole a child based on their DX.

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> I see your point. Lumping them all together under one diagnosis sets these

> children up for too many assumptions in too many areas, especially in the

> educational arena as well as medically. My son spent some of his time as

> PDD-NOS and is still immune dysfunction NOS and metabolic disorder NOS. I

> just took it to mean that since they were at first SURE it was 's and

> then realized it wasn't, they were stumped, so this is what they do. They

> know it is an immune disorder and a metabolic disorder but they have no clue

> as what caused it. DUH......

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> Haven

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[Guest guest]

I fear it would too often got he negative way, where if you lump Asperger's

under autism, then they will tend to think the kid can't learn and water

down everything -- lower expectations.

I have seen this happen often. Our speech therapist, when she first got

assigned to my son confessed to me she was so scared to come. they think of

all the behavior issues etc... that can be difficult in some kids, but too

many think it is true for all. After she worked with Ethan a few times did

she see there are differences from child to child, but I have seen too many

times where as soon as a teacher hears the child has autism, they just don't

even try to teach them.

I'm just saying I fear it will have a negative impact rather than a positive

one, but I hope I'm wrong. People get these narrow views in their head of

autism, and I've been amazed at how even after seeing great progress in a

child, they still cling to their prejudices regarding ability. It is almost

as if they think any demonstration of intelligence is some sort of trick.

Do you remember " Stand and Deliver " ? something similar there. These kids

did remarkable under the direction of an excellent teacher, but because they

were minorities, they made them take the test over and insinuated they must

have somehow cheated.

Haven

[Guest guest]

I've been known to say that In some cases PDD really stands for Physician Didn't

Decide.

S S

[Guest guest]

Now you put me in the unenviable position of defending physicians ;-)

There are kids, mine was one, who just do not fit the Autism or Asperger

category, yet are clearly impaired. The DSM is not a menu where you pick the

diagnosis you want.

The DSM is very specific in what behaviors must be present in order to get a

certain diagnosis.

For ex. for a child to be dx'd Asperger they must have " restricted interest " .

Mine met every criteria but that one, so that diagnosis could not be considered.

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Didn't Decide.

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[Guest guest]

no need for you to defend all of them, 2 out of 5 might actually determine

that your child fits that criteria based on how they interpret your answers to

their questions and how your child performs on that particular day.

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Didn't Decide.

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