Re: is this OCD

[Guest guest]

I was that way as a child. I was just shy, PAINFULLY shy. I would do anything

I could to not have to talk to people or not have to say anything in class. I

hated it. I have come out of my shell as an adult and sometimes have a hard

time keeping quiet now. LOL! But there are some situations that still make me

feel that way.

Sharon

Is this OCD

My son has OCD in germs and stuff but he is obsessed about people

watching him..... at school he wont put up his hand or ask the teacher

a question or do anything that could cause attention be it positive or

negative...... so if he is sick he won't ask to come home, if he is

missing a part of an assignment or didn't get the question he won't

ask..... If they are doing sports he gets so worked up that everybody

is watching him (even though they arn't), if he forgets his glasses to

school, he would come home leaving his bag there and not tell a

teacher crying and upset because the kids may hve seen him without

glasses. (we live 5 minute walk away from school). He had the chance

to go on a Harly son motor bike at a gala, and I could see he

wanted to but he couldn't do it because he felt the whole gala was

watching him and so on...... He really believes the whole world just

stops and watches him all the time. The psychologist said there was a

name for this but can't remember it to look it up....

Just wondering if thisis OCD or part of his low self esteem.

Cheers and thanks in advance Jackie (New Zealand)

[Guest guest]

Same with me as with Sharon. I've opened up a lot too as an adult

and a lot more as a parent; but I still don't like being the center

of attention, one reason I didn't have a wedding, just me, the

groom/hubby and the minister in one of those chapels that do weddings

every few minutes!

I think it's self-esteem and not OCD. A special teacher can make a

difference in class. I know I was a bit better about answering in

class for some teachers more than others over time as I got older.

But I can see myself just as your son is too. If someone near was

laughing, I could easily think it was probably something about me,

etc., that sort of thing.

>

> I was that way as a child. I was just shy, PAINFULLY shy. I would

do anything I could to not have to talk to people or not have to say

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Jackie

>

> My son has OCD in germs and stuff but he is obsessed about people

> watching him..... at school he wont put up his hand or ask the

teacher

[Guest guest]

>

Sounds like social Phobia which is an OCD.

[Guest guest]

I think it could be OCD and maybe at times an age thing depending on the

child's age. My son will say the same thing but really isn't shy, but he is 12

and everything embarrasses him. He loves to draw attention to himself, but if

he feels it is neg. attention he says the same thing your son does. He will

say like Don't do that because everyone is looking at me. We can even be in

the car and he thinks that. When I really feel it is OCD is like if we are in a

place that he feels he was embarrassed before then he will hide or won't go

back even an hour later because he thinks EVERYONE is looking at him and

knows what happened. The same people aren't even in the location but he is

convinced. It drives me crazy. He also got mad at his teacher last year

because he

felt she embarrassed him and it was all in his head.

Sheree

[Guest guest]

Well, I thought I had outgrown most of that shyness, but it came back last

night. :0) Our neighborhood had a block party, we dont know many neighbors

(just ones you wave and say hi to, that is all). I went with our girls (3 and

5) and felt really uncomfortable. I am not one to go up and introduce myself to

people, so I waited for other people to do so. My girls are shy, too,

especially my younger one. We ate, talked a little, but didnt stay long. My 5

yo wanted to go home, later she said she was too shy. Great.

Sharon

Re: Is this OCD

Same with me as with Sharon. I've opened up a lot too as an adult

and a lot more as a parent; but I still don't like being the center

of attention, one reason I didn't have a wedding, just me, the

groom/hubby and the minister in one of those chapels that do weddings

every few minutes!

I think it's self-esteem and not OCD. A special teacher can make a

difference in class. I know I was a bit better about answering in

class for some teachers more than others over time as I got older.

But I can see myself just as your son is too. If someone near was

laughing, I could easily think it was probably something about me,

etc., that sort of thing.

>

> I was that way as a child. I was just shy, PAINFULLY shy. I would

do anything I could to not have to talk to people or not have to say

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Jackie

>

> My son has OCD in germs and stuff but he is obsessed about people

> watching him..... at school he wont put up his hand or ask the

teacher

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the replies........

My son is nearly 11 - I feel it is more than shyness. It is so extreme his twin

sister is what I would call shy but with his anxiety levels just go sky

high. hates to draw attention to himself be it positive or negative. And

something as simple as being seen without his glasses can cause an attack...

His psych. doctor had a name for it but bugger if I can remember and he is away

for 2 weeks.

Once again thanks for the replies Jaxx (New Zealand)

Re: Re: Is this OCD

I think it could be OCD and maybe at times an age thing depending on the

child's age. My son will say the same thing but really isn't shy, but he is 12

and everything embarrasses him. He loves to draw attention to himself, but if

he feels it is neg. attention he says the same thing your son does. He will

say like Don't do that because everyone is looking at me. We can even be in

the car and he thinks that. When I really feel it is OCD is like if we are in

a

place that he feels he was embarrassed before then he will hide or won't go

back even an hour later because he thinks EVERYONE is looking at him and

knows what happened. The same people aren't even in the location but he is

convinced. It drives me crazy. He also got mad at his teacher last year

because he

felt she embarrassed him and it was all in his head.

Sheree

[Guest guest]

Just reading up on Social Phobia in Children and boy that is him to a T. I think

that is what the psych. doctor said he had but used a different name some big

long name .

Cheers Jaxx (New Zealand)

[Guest guest]

" His psych. doctor had a name for it but bugger if I can remember "

Was it Social Anxiety "

>

> Thanks for the replies........

>

> My son is nearly 11 - I feel it is more than shyness. It is so

extreme his twin sister is what I would call shy but with his

anxiety levels just go sky high. hates to draw attention to

himself be it positive or negative. And something as simple as

being seen without his glasses can cause an attack...

>

> His psych. doctor had a name for it but bugger if I can remember

and he is away for 2 weeks.

>

> Once again thanks for the replies Jaxx (New Zealand)

>

>

> Re: Re: Is this OCD

>

>

> I think it could be OCD and maybe at times an age thing

depending on the

> child's age. My son will say the same thing but really isn't

shy, but he is 12

> and everything embarrasses him. He loves to draw attention to

himself, but if

> he feels it is neg. attention he says the same thing your son

does. He will

> say like Don't do that because everyone is looking at me. We can

even be in

> the car and he thinks that. When I really feel it is OCD is like

if we are in a

> place that he feels he was embarrassed before then he will hide

or won't go

> back even an hour later because he thinks EVERYONE is looking at

him and

> knows what happened. The same people aren't even in the location

but he is

> convinced. It drives me crazy. He also got mad at his teacher

last year because he

> felt she embarrassed him and it was all in his head.

>

> Sheree

>

>

[Guest guest]

No it was some long name 1 word I think beginning with K or H- I don;t know

bugger I knew I should have asked him to write it down, but I was so sure I

would remember....... oh well :)

Cheers Jaxx (New Zealand)

Re: Re: Is this OCD

>

>

> I think it could be OCD and maybe at times an age thing

depending on the

> child's age. My son will say the same thing but really isn't

shy, but he is 12

> and everything embarrasses him. He loves to draw attention to

himself, but if

> he feels it is neg. attention he says the same thing your son

does. He will

> say like Don't do that because everyone is looking at me. We can

even be in

> the car and he thinks that. When I really feel it is OCD is like

if we are in a

> place that he feels he was embarrassed before then he will hide

or won't go

> back even an hour later because he thinks EVERYONE is looking at

him and

> knows what happened. The same people aren't even in the location

but he is

> convinced. It drives me crazy. He also got mad at his teacher

last year because he

> felt she embarrassed him and it was all in his head.

>

> Sheree

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie,

Listen to your gut! It seems something very significant IS

going on, especially since it is interfering with his life. I have

OCD (it is mild and subclinical), but remember feeling like everyone

who glanced at me was thinking horrible things. I just wanted to

cower in a hole somewhere and not live life to avoid the distress. I

have many other symptoms too (they change over time). You would need

for him to have a thorough exam with a mental health professional--

because there may be more to the picture that he might not even be

able to say. Good luck with everything.

>

> Thanks for the replies........

>

> My son is nearly 11 - I feel it is more than shyness. It is so

extreme his twin sister is what I would call shy but with his

anxiety levels just go sky high. hates to draw attention to

himself be it positive or negative. And something as simple as

being seen without his glasses can cause an attack...

>

> His psych. doctor had a name for it but bugger if I can remember

and he is away for 2 weeks.

>

> Once again thanks for the replies Jaxx (New Zealand)

>

>

> Re: Re: Is this OCD

>

>

> I think it could be OCD and maybe at times an age thing

depending on the

> child's age. My son will say the same thing but really isn't

shy, but he is 12

> and everything embarrasses him. He loves to draw attention to

himself, but if

> he feels it is neg. attention he says the same thing your son

does. He will

> say like Don't do that because everyone is looking at me. We can

even be in

> the car and he thinks that. When I really feel it is OCD is like

if we are in a

> place that he feels he was embarrassed before then he will hide

or won't go

> back even an hour later because he thinks EVERYONE is looking at

him and

> knows what happened. The same people aren't even in the location

but he is

> convinced. It drives me crazy. He also got mad at his teacher

last year because he

> felt she embarrassed him and it was all in his head.

>

> Sheree

>

>

[Guest guest]

" You would need

for him to have a thorough exam with a mental health professional-- "

He is under a psychologist and psychiatrist and has been officially diagnosed

with OCD but this was more to do with germs etc but I suppose there are many

different types of OCD as I am learning each day from here LOL. I was just

curious but they were not sure at this stage if it was part of Aspergers.... but

I was just wondering if it was OCD. The p. docs are aware of these issues but

did not quite know if it was OCD or under the autistic spectrum or under the

Tourette's, In the long run I suppose it does not really matter as long as he

gets the help :).

Thanks Jaxx (New Zealand)

[Guest guest]

He is ruminating on a specific thought, so yes, it is a kind of OCD behavior.

The diagnostic words aren't as important as what will fix the symptoms. I would

treat him for candida overgrowth, craving sweets would be a sign of it. Have

you done a hair test for heavy metals? Are you chelating him or thinking of it?

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day, even in

the middle off the night .

> If I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question

over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in

aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal

and redarded. Is this behavior OCD

>

>

> The best

> Alida

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter grace is 5 years old and does the same thing. She has autism,ocd,

and sensory intigration. She is pn zolft for the repeat and aggression. U can

definitely tell if I for get to give her the zolft. When I do she can't get from

one activity without worring about the next. And little things become an

obsession. Tv, food, activity,what time it is so on. So to ur questian I say

yes.

Sent from my LG phone

AlidaV <alidavanengel@...> wrote:

> Hi all

>

> I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day, even in

the middle off the night .

> If I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question

over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in

aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal

and redarded. Is this behavior OCD

>

>

>The best

>Alida

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it sounds like a yeast issue. I know that is what caused a lot of the

OCD around here. sometimes it is just the mercury that does this. Check to

chelate using AC Protocol. Mercury is at the bottom of most of the stuff

that goes wrong with our kids. check for that first via hair test and then

work to get it out. The more metals that have come out of our son, the

better he has done, but don't do IV. That moved metals around and made

things worse in many areas.

[Guest guest]

_http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/)

Info on Andy Cutlers protocol also he is presenting one day conference in

London in June if you can make it over

_www.DetoxingChildrenSafely.com_ (http://www.DetoxingChildrenSafely.com)

HTH

Mandi in UK

In a message dated 02/03/2011 10:56:17 GMT Standard Time,

alidavanengel@... writes:

thank you for reply. what is AC Protocol. Where can i get it. We life in

the Netherlands

Alida

From: Haven DeLay <_hdelay@..._ (mailto:hdelay@...) >

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: is this OCD

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Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:27 PM

Yes, it sounds like a yeast issue. I know that is what caused a lot of the

OCD around here. sometimes it is just the mercury that does this. Check to

chelate using AC Protocol. Mercury is at the bottom of most of the stuff

that goes wrong with our kids. check for that first via hair test and then

work to get it out. The more metals that have come out of our son, the

better he has done, but don't do IV. That moved metals around and made

things worse in many areas.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Most autistic people have obsessive compulsive behaviors. Many doctors do not

diagnose it though because it's such a common feature of autism. I don't think

it's that important to diagnose it because there's not much treatment for OCD...

at least for those with limited language. But here's some things we did with

our 15yo which has helped.

1. run a visual schedule so he can see what is coming next. It really helps

with the anxiety. Start small and build it.

2. run a frustration tolerance program so he can learn to deal with his

anxieties and OCD behaviors.

Jill

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day, even in

the middle off the night .

> If I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question

over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in

aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal

and redarded. Is this behavior OCD

>

>

> The best

> Alida

>

[Guest guest]

actually medications helped tremendously with my ocd boy. he was actually diagnosed with it before he was with autism. Before he was medicated he would ask atlesat 50 times if not more "are you going to pick me up" from the time he got up till we dropped him off at school. and other ocd behaviors to numerous to mention here. but when we put him on the prozac the question when down to maybe a handful of times, to know he does not ask at all. most of his other behaviors have dissappeared for the most part, Though they do come back in times of stress. or even just a change of enviroment.

missy

From: Jill <jgmangus@...>Subject: Re: Is this OCDautism Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:51 PM

Most autistic people have obsessive compulsive behaviors. Many doctors do not diagnose it though because it's such a common feature of autism. I don't think it's that important to diagnose it because there's not much treatment for OCD... at least for those with limited language. But here's some things we did with our 15yo which has helped.1. run a visual schedule so he can see what is coming next. It really helps with the anxiety. Start small and build it.2. run a frustration tolerance program so he can learn to deal with his anxieties and OCD behaviors.Jill>> Hi all> > I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy

the hole day, even in the middle off the night .> If I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal and redarded. Is this behavior OCD> > > The best> Alida>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for reply. We life in the Netherlands The are Very sceptic. Can  I

do chelating

without a specialist.

 

Alida

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: is this OCD

Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 7:48 PM

 

He is ruminating on a specific thought, so yes, it is a kind of OCD behavior.

The diagnostic words aren't as important as what will fix the symptoms. I would

treat him for candida overgrowth, craving sweets would be a sign of it. Have you

done a hair test for heavy metals? Are you chelating him or thinking of it?

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day, even in

the middle off the night .

> If I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question

over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in

aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal

and redarded. Is this behavior OCD

>

>

> The best

> Alida

>

[Guest guest]

thank you for reply. what is  AC Protocol. Where can i get it. We life in the

Netherlands

 

Alida

From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: is this OCD

Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:27 PM

 

Yes, it sounds like a yeast issue. I know that is what caused a lot of the

OCD around here. sometimes it is just the mercury that does this. Check to

chelate using AC Protocol. Mercury is at the bottom of most of the stuff

that goes wrong with our kids. check for that first via hair test and then

work to get it out. The more metals that have come out of our son, the

better he has done, but don't do IV. That moved metals around and made

things worse in many areas.

[Guest guest]

He has a visual schedule. the poblem is he has a schedule but he speed it up. He has limited language but he is smart. so it is already an problem to keep him on his schedule.

Alida

From: Jill <jgmangus@...>Subject: Re: Is this OCDautism Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:51 AM

Most autistic people have obsessive compulsive behaviors. Many doctors do not diagnose it though because it's such a common feature of autism. I don't think it's that important to diagnose it because there's not much treatment for OCD... at least for those with. But here's some things we did with our 15yo which has helped.1. run a visual schedule so he can see what is coming next. It really helps with the anxiety. Start small and build it.2. run a frustration tolerance program so he can learn to deal with his anxieties and OCD behaviors.Jill>> Hi all> > I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day,

even in the middle off the night .> If I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal and redarded. Is this behavior OCD> > > The best> Alida>

[Guest guest]

We life in the Netherlands.although we have a good health system, the doctors here are very careful to prescribe multiple medications.

Alida

From: Jill <jgmangus@...>Subject: Re: Is this OCDautism Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:51 PM

Most autistic people have obsessive compulsive behaviors. Many doctors do not diagnose it though because it's such a common feature of autism. I don't think it's that important to diagnose it because there's not much treatment for OCD... at least for those with limited language. But here's some things we did with our 15yo which has helped.1. run a visual schedule so he can see what is coming next. It really helps with the anxiety. Start small and build it.2. run a frustration tolerance program so he can learn to deal with his anxieties and OCD behaviors.Jill>> Hi all> > I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day, even in the middle off the night .> If

I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal and redarded. Is this behavior OCD> > > The best> Alida>

[Guest guest]

Hi AllThe problem is not just buying candy. But almost everything what you do with him become is an obsession , even his medication. He wants to control me and every one that works

with him.It makes him very restless and very easy to become frustrated and aggressive. He has a high stress level and his mood changed bye the minute.

Alida

Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:47 AM

We life in the Netherlands.although we have a good health system, the doctors here are very

careful to prescribe multiple medications.

Alida

From: Jill <jgmangus@...>Subject: Re: Is this OCDautism Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:51 PM

Most autistic people have obsessive compulsive behaviors. Many doctors do not diagnose it though because it's such a common feature of autism. I don't think it's that important to diagnose it because there's not much treatment for OCD... at least for those with limited language. But here's some things we did with our 15yo which has helped.1. run a visual schedule so he can see what is coming next. It really helps with the anxiety. Start small and build it.2. run a frustration tolerance program so he can learn to deal with his anxieties and OCD behaviors.Jill>> Hi all> > I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day, even in the middle off the night .> If

I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal and redarded. Is this behavior OCD> > > The best> Alida>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Alida,

For a basic description of the Cutler protocol in Dutch, look here:

http://www.amalgaam.be/forum/viewtopic.php?p=813 & sid=884654805e61e467dab00628576\

5754a

Ann

>

> _http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/)

> Info on Andy Cutlers protocol

>

>

> In a message dated 02/03/2011 10:56:17 GMT Standard Time,

> alidavanengel@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> thank you for reply. what is AC Protocol. Where can i get it. We life in

> the Netherlands

>

> Alida

>

[Guest guest]

You need a good behavioral expert.

Let me describe the pattern of how this problem develops for my teen and see if

your son is similiar. We discover something he really likes (ex. watching

movies, listening to DVDs, listening to the ipod, looking at books, etc). We

give him free-rein because after all we want the kid to be happy and have

recreational activities. Before you know it, he's become rigid and has

developed some maladaptive repetitive behavior around that activity (flipping

across the tracks over and over, insisting the book stays open to a certain

page, etc). If we allow that behavior to continue, overtime he will become more

and more agitated. Eventually if we try to interrupt the maladaptive repetitive

behavior, he will erupt in aggression and self-injurious behavior.

So our solution includes putting boundaries around the activity where we

maintain control but he gets do the activity (listen to music or whatever)

WITHIN on our boundaries. For example one boundary is that he can listen to

music on DVDs but he's not allowed to touch the machine. If he wants the

settings changed, he needs to tell us using his dynavox. But the next time he

listens to music, we may change the boundaries so he doesn't make a new rule

about the boundaries. We often communicate these boundaries using schedules,

timers, etc.

A second prong to deal with these rigid repetitive behaviors is to develop

frustration tolerance programs to help him deal with the fact that he's not in

control and can't engage in his maladaptive repetitive behaviors.

Now I don't know if you call this OCD or whatever. But the bottom line is until

he can learn to control his agitation and obsessive compulsive urges, we put

boundaries around the activity.

If this description does not fit what you are experiencing, then never mind.

Jill

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > I have a 17 year old autistic son. He wont to buy candy the hole day, even

in the middle off the night .

> > If I tell him that tomorrow he can buy candy he keeps repeating the question

over and over again. He becomes restless and start buiding tension it can end in

aggression. This can take hours. He received 15 mg of abilify. He is not verbal

and redarded. Is this behavior OCD

> >

> >

> > The best

> > Alida

> >

>