Need Advice

[Guest guest]

IIRC Naturethyroid is also dessicated thyroid gland from pigs. I'm at a

loss as to what to suggest except that some of the symptoms are the same

as hyperthyroidism, perhaps from over dosing on T4 and/or T3.

I don't understand why the new formulation of Armour causes as many

problems as we see reported. The ingredients changed were AFAIK MOL inert.

Luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Duffy " knockneed@...

> <mailto:knockneed@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANeed%20advice>

> mslatrobe <mslatrobe>

>

>

> Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:26 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> I have been trying Armour for a year and have been fine and then had to

> switch to Naturethroid because of shortage of dessicated thyroid - and I'm

> all screwed up now.

>

> Started out of 90 mg of Armour and held steady for a year, feeling

> about as

> okay as when on 100mcg of Synthroid. Then suddenly started losing hair in

> a big way and feeling really fatigued. After having been on that dose for

> about 4 months, I did'n't think it was my dose, and it turns out I was

> probably right - it was the Armour reformulation which caused poorer

> absorption in me. Switched to Naturethroid - still was having serious

> problems, so started increasing 15 mg every 10 days or so til I got to 120

> mg. At 120 mg for about 3 weeks and Still had serious hair loss , but the

> fatigue was finally somewhat diminished. Very very disturbing way to feel

> and I can't figure out.

>

> Then - on top of all the nastiness above, a few days into my usual 12 day

> course of progesterone (I use HRT), I crashed big time with major panic

> attacks, heart palps the likes of which I've never experienced , profuse

> sweating (to the point of faintness), stepped up hair loss and very

> dramatic

> fatigue. Since my doc says that progesterone is a 'steroid', I'm wondering

> if its steroidal effects somehow intensified the Naturethroid bad effects?

>

> I guess its also possible that I was so depleted of thyroid medicine

> coming

> off of the reformulated Armour that it took some time on the

> Naturethroid to

> resupply my body and then it recognized I was overdosing ???? (I have

> been on the Naturethroid for 7 weeks total now ).

>

> I just don't know whats going on, both on the Naturethroid alone and with

> the progesterone.

>

> Any ideas what may be happening?

>

> --

> Duffy

[Guest guest]

I don't see why the ingredients Forest claims were changed would cause all those

problems, and I only went looking after I got all the pains. The only

explanation I can think of is that Forest is not being truthful about what was

changed. This is not terribly far fetched, as they weren't truthful in the

beginning when people called to report problems. They denied that anything was

changed, and only started to acknowledge (a) change when a lot of people

reported problems.

Roni

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isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re:Need advice

hypothyroidism

Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 4:46 PM

IIRC Naturethyroid is also dessicated thyroid gland from pigs.  I'm at a

loss as to what to suggest except that some of the symptoms are the same

as hyperthyroidism, perhaps from over dosing on T4 and/or T3.

I don't understand why the new formulation of Armour causes as many

problems as we see reported.  The ingredients changed were AFAIK MOL inert.

Luck,

..

..

>

>       Posted by: " Duffy " knockneed@...

>       <mailto:knockneed@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANeed%20advice> 

>       mslatrobe <mslatrobe>

>

>

>         Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:26 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> I have been trying Armour for a year and have been fine and then had to

> switch to Naturethroid because of shortage of dessicated thyroid - and I'm

> all screwed up now.

>

> Started out of 90 mg of Armour and held steady for a year, feeling

> about as

> okay as when on 100mcg of Synthroid. Then suddenly started losing hair in

> a big way and feeling really fatigued. After having been on that dose for

> about 4 months, I did'n't think it was my dose, and it turns out I was

> probably right - it was the Armour reformulation which caused poorer

> absorption in me. Switched to Naturethroid - still was having serious

> problems, so started increasing 15 mg every 10 days or so til I got to 120

> mg. At 120 mg for about 3 weeks and Still had serious hair loss , but the

> fatigue was finally somewhat diminished. Very very disturbing way to feel

> and I can't figure out.

>

> Then - on top of all the nastiness above, a few days into my usual 12 day

> course of progesterone (I use HRT), I crashed big time with major panic

> attacks, heart palps the likes of which I've never experienced , profuse

> sweating (to the point of faintness), stepped up hair loss and very

> dramatic

> fatigue. Since my doc says that progesterone is a 'steroid', I'm wondering

> if its steroidal effects somehow intensified the Naturethroid bad effects?

>

> I guess its also possible that I was so depleted of thyroid medicine

> coming

> off of the reformulated Armour that it took some time on the

> Naturethroid to

> resupply my body and then it recognized I was overdosing ???? (I have

> been on the Naturethroid for 7 weeks total now ).

>

> I just don't know whats going on, both on the Naturethroid alone and with

> the progesterone.

>

> Any ideas what may be happening?

>

> --

> Duffy

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Tks ur reply, . Some users say that the inert ingredients changing

affected the way some of us metabolized the product. In my case, as in many

other, I could no longer use sublingually as the new formula was chalky and

pretty solid - wouldn't melt at all. Way too nasty to chew - so I ended up

swallowing like any other pill. Maybe the simple change of sublingual to

swallowing whole made a difference.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:46 PM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

> IIRC Naturethyroid is also dessicated thyroid gland from pigs. I'm at a

> loss as to what to suggest except that some of the symptoms are the same

> as hyperthyroidism, perhaps from over dosing on T4 and/or T3.

>

> I don't understand why the new formulation of Armour causes as many

> problems as we see reported. The ingredients changed were AFAIK MOL inert.

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Duffy " knockneed@...

> > <mailto:knockneed@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANeed%20advice>

> > mslatrobe <mslatrobe>

> >

> >

> > Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:26 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > I have been trying Armour for a year and have been fine and then had to

> > switch to Naturethroid because of shortage of dessicated thyroid - and

> I'm

> > all screwed up now.

> >

> > Started out of 90 mg of Armour and held steady for a year, feeling

> > about as

> > okay as when on 100mcg of Synthroid. Then suddenly started losing hair in

> > a big way and feeling really fatigued. After having been on that dose for

> > about 4 months, I did'n't think it was my dose, and it turns out I was

> > probably right - it was the Armour reformulation which caused poorer

> > absorption in me. Switched to Naturethroid - still was having serious

> > problems, so started increasing 15 mg every 10 days or so til I got to

> 120

> > mg. At 120 mg for about 3 weeks and Still had serious hair loss , but the

> > fatigue was finally somewhat diminished. Very very disturbing way to feel

> > and I can't figure out.

> >

> > Then - on top of all the nastiness above, a few days into my usual 12 day

> > course of progesterone (I use HRT), I crashed big time with major panic

> > attacks, heart palps the likes of which I've never experienced , profuse

> > sweating (to the point of faintness), stepped up hair loss and very

> > dramatic

> > fatigue. Since my doc says that progesterone is a 'steroid', I'm

> wondering

> > if its steroidal effects somehow intensified the Naturethroid bad

> effects?

> >

> > I guess its also possible that I was so depleted of thyroid medicine

> > coming

> > off of the reformulated Armour that it took some time on the

> > Naturethroid to

> > resupply my body and then it recognized I was overdosing ???? (I have

> > been on the Naturethroid for 7 weeks total now ).

> >

> > I just don't know whats going on, both on the Naturethroid alone and with

> > the progesterone.

> >

> > Any ideas what may be happening?

> >

> > --

> > Duffy

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duffy,

You wrote:

>

> ... Maybe the simple change of sublingual to

> swallowing whole made a difference.

Did you eat or drink anything within two hours?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

No, nothing. When my husbands alarm goes off at 6:30, I take the thyroid

meds. I rise about 10 a.m. (I'm a stay at home who's awake all hours of the

night). So there is plenty of time between my meds and my next ingestion of

anything!

Duffy

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Duffy,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > ... Maybe the simple change of sublingual to

> > swallowing whole made a difference.

>

> Did you eat or drink anything within two hours?

>

> Chuck

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Tracey2 - the best time to take Nutri Adrenal Extra (NAE)

is with your breakfast and again, with your lunch. Always take them with food

and never after 1.00p.m. because the tiny little bit of extra adrenaline might

keep you awake. Take one to start with first thing, and after a couple of

weeks, add another with lunch. Then after another couple of weeks add another

tablet with your breakfast - another couple of weeks (if y9ou still do not feel

optimised) take another with your lunch. You can take up to 6 tablets, but, at

that stage and you feel you are still not getting the adrenals supported

sufficiently, then you may find that having a short course of hydrocortisone

might be better. However, many of us do really well on NAE .

It is the adrenal insufficiency that will interfere with your

levothyroxine - the thyroid hormones cannot be absorbed if your adrenals are

not up to scratch. It tells you in your Patient Information Leaflet tucked away

inside your box of levothyroxine, that you should tell your doctor if you have

adrenal problem. Your adrenals should be treated before starting thyroxine

hormone replacement.

Luv - Sheila

Hi im starting my Nutri Adrenal tablets today

under Dr Ps instruction. please could someone advise me when the best time to

take them is.Im on Levo and i just want to make sure they wont interfere with

my treatment.I spoke to my GP today she was happy to increase my Levo to 50

mcg. I know its still small but i cant believe it as my bloods were normal she

said she had just been on a course about thyroid funtion maybe i will get

somewhere in the end.I still feel angry that when she was on sick leave her

replacment told me to stay on 25mcg for three months im so glad got a second

opinion.I wonder if anyone had any thoughts on my post asking about which

supplements were best for hairloss.Warm Regards 2.

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***I wonder if anyone had any thoughts on my post asking about which supplements were best for hairloss.

Hi 2,

I may be way off beam here as my biochemical knowledge is somewhat limited and I don't know much about Lysine, but since you mention L-cysteine and L-methionine, my good old friend "SAMe" comes to mind, which - from what little I understand - is 'the finished product' rather than the 'building blocks'. I take it myself, have done so for years, although I take it for my Osteoarthritis, but luckily as a by-product it doubles up as detoxification and mood enhancer too.... and all that without any toxic side effects. I have not heard of SAMe improving hair quality, but that doesn't mean it won't, it might well do. I couldn't say either way, as my own hair is ok-ish. It had gone very dry over the past 10 years, and thinned quite a bit, but I am lucky, as I started off with a lot of volume. I did have times where my hair felt like straw, but this has improved since on natural desiccated thyroid, although I still lose quite a lot on a daily basis.

Please do have a look at this - perhaps it fits the bill?

http://www.biopsychiatry.com:80/sameart.html

As I've said, I have been using SAMe for years and the pain from my arthritis has been bearable ever since. I used to take anti-inflammatory drugs before that and I rarely need them now, so I would say the stuff helps at least for that. My mood has been brighter since too and my liver is now squeaky clean. If and what it might do for restoring hair, I don't know. In my personal view the correct kind and amount of thyroid hormones will do that, unless there is an underlying autoimmune process going on that specifically attacks the hair follicles (which sadly seems quite common).

For those who might be interested in SAMe for various reasons, to the best of my knowledge it is pretty much impossible to get in the UK. European rule has seen to that. I get mine from Vitacost in the US which is the cheapest source I could find. I order in bulk and pay by card, but have it shipped to a good friend of mine in the US, who then sends it on to me as a "gift". To have it send direct to the UK would be crippling when you add up P & P, VAT and handling charges.... but may I add... such a friend would need to re-package it carefully, as those tablets are foil sealed and if this seal were broken and air got in, the pills would in a short time revert to the poisonous homocysteine. You'd know about it though, as they will become a gooey sticky mess.

I hope the above helps you, Tracey, but it might also help others who might feel down or depressed, but do not want to take any antidepressants.

Best wishes,

[Guest guest]

> Dear thanks for your post the SAMe looks very interesting i found it

on ebay for £17.99.I still want to find out which suppliments are best for my

hair but i shall sit down tonight and read about SAMe.Thanks again 2.

[Guest guest]

Duffy,

You wrote:

>

> .... there is plenty of time between my meds and my next ingestion of

> anything!

If food and drink aren't interfering, then the difference in absorption

between sublingual and swallowing should be nil, unless you have an

infection in the small intestine, such as Candida.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

We advise stopping because for some people, once their adrenals

suddenly start to function better when they start taking adrenal supplements,

this can cause a thyroid dump - which is not a pleasant experience. If you got

away with this not happening, you were lucky. There is no need to stop your

thyroid replacement now, but when you increase your thyroid replacement, you

might need to increase your adrenal support too for a short while in case this

should happen.

Luv - Sheila

I started on adrenal support tablets last week

and i have still continued to take my Levo should i have stopped ? . Please

could someone advise me.Regards 2.

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Hi Tracey, It is usual to stop thyroid meds for about a week forst. > thyroid treatment > From: tomhorsfall@...> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:17:47 +0000> Subject: need advice> > I started on adrenal support tablets last week and i have still continued to take my Levo should i have stopped ? . Please could someone advise me.Regards 2.> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Beth,

 I'm mad now.How in the world does a twelve yr old girl get OA in her fingers

without REPETATIVE joint injuries??? I have several t-shirts from FACES,group

Donna had before being AJAO KY southern Ohio, that shows a little hand against a

big hand where the fingers are starting to bend.I don't get these ped rheumies

logic and am so sorry to hear you have been given the run around.Do you have a

pediatrician that you trust and love? If so start back with them first.URGHHHH!

Wish I could just grab yall and take you to see Dr. Lovell at Cincinatti

Childrens.

Do you have old x-rays that could be compared to new x-rays? Just trying to

think of anything that may help.

Love,hugs and prayers

      Becki and 11 SoJra

________________________________

From: Beth Yohnk <yohnkmom@...>

Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:21:06 PM

Subject: need advice

 

Hannah is having increase pain in her hands.  I have noticed some redness in her

knuckles, not necessarily hot, but red and puffy.  She was showing her hands to

her Dad tonight and he asked how long her fingers have been crooked?  I looked

and she has 2 fingers that appear to be shifting.  Most of you know our

horrific experience with rheumys.  I'm not sure where to turn.  I certainly

don't want any damage done, but she has been told over and over its not JRA

" just OA " .  What do you all think, can you have this issue with OA?  I don't

know how well Hannah can handle another horrible appointment.  I did take

pictures of her hands that I can post.

 

Beth & Hannah 12 (13 on Saturday), OA, HMJS, asthma, vitamin d deficiency

" We can't direct the wind, but we can adjust our sails " -author unknown

[Guest guest]

Beth,

I am fairly new here, but I have never heard of oa in a child. I have been a

nurse for 16 years, and both of my children have jra. Not that that makes me an

expert, by any means, but I hear a lot.

I just wish that all ped rheumys were trained the same way. That is a good

question, are you seeing a ped rheumy? And where do you live?

I can't remember exactly, but over 40% of children with JRA do not have positive

blood work. The ped. rheumy in Birmingham, AL confirmed this last month.

How long has Hannah had hand problems? Keep us updated.

Audra

13 jra 07

Peyton 11 jra 08, rsd 09

>

> Hannah is having increase pain in her hands.  I have noticed some redness in

her knuckles, not necessarily hot, but red and puffy.  She

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

I don't know much about OA in children but I do know that, although rare, it

can and does occur. Injury does not have to have occurred. If Hannah's

rheumatologist cannot/will not answer your questions, I'd suggest seeing

someone else. There may not be much that can be done (I don't know), but you

at least need the opportunity to discuss this with a qualified medical

professional.

Liz

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Beth Yohnk

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:21 PM

Subject: need advice

Hannah is having increase pain in her hands. I have noticed some redness in

her knuckles, not necessarily hot, but red and puffy. She was showing her

hands to her Dad tonight and he asked how long her fingers have been

crooked? I looked and she has 2 fingers that appear to be shifting. Most

of you know our horrific experience with rheumys. I'm not sure where to

turn. I certainly don't want any damage done, but she has been told over

and over its not JRA " just OA " . What do you all think, can you have this

issue with OA? I don't know how well Hannah can handle another horrible

appointment. I did take pictures of her hands that I can post.

Beth & Hannah 12 (13 on Saturday), OA, HMJS, asthma, vitamin d deficiency

" We can't direct the wind, but we can adjust our sails " -author unknown

[Guest guest]

Beth....

Tell that SO called Docter to go back to school! If Hannah

was diagnosed EA positive then it is due to jra that her

finger's are being affected. I was diagnos in 1968 jra RA

positive, and my finger's were affected very early on.

And if that Doctor wants to argue that is not jra tell him to call me!!

FORTYONE YEATS EXPERIENCE!

Parafin hand baths will help to smooth some pain, but most

definitly no cure. Get some silly putty and have Hannah work her

finer's squeezing a ball of putty in them. That's the only way I

know of to fight the joint deformaties... Keep as much muscle tone as

possible..

hplta

Rusty

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey2 - this is most unfortunate. If this was me, I think I

would, for the moment, stop the adrenal support and see if you feel better. If

you do, then carry on taking your 50mcgs levothyroxine alone. If you do not

feel better, I would, after a couple of days or so, stop my thyroxine for

a week or so. The thyroxine has a long half life for up to 6 weeks, so you will

still have some in your system to keep you going. Did you do the 24 hour

salivary test and it showed adrenal insufficiency, or remind me, did you decide

yourself to support your adrenals?

Luv - Sheila

Hi i started on adrenal support a week ago i

wasnt advised to stop my Levo so i carried on.I felt ill so i posted on here

asking for advice.Shelia kindly replyed and confirmed that its normaly best to

stop. Because i was several days into taking them i just carried on.Im now feel

so unwell i need advice on stopping the Levo should i or just carry on.Im

taking one adrenal and 50 mcg Levo.Regards 2.

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Adrienne,

Did you know that you can recover your child from Autism? I did it with my own

son...

>

> I have a six year old that has autism, and that is the reason I have chosen

not to vaccinate my 17 month old. I am so scared about the whole swine flu

thing and of course evreything else. My question is, what sort of vitamins or

supplements do people give their kids who are not vaccinated to make sure they

stay healthy? Thanks,

>

> Adrienne

>

[Guest guest]

Can you show us how you recovered your child from autism?  I have a few friends who could benefit.ThaoSan , CAOn Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:59 PM, dawndanc <dawndanc@...> wrote:

 

Adrienne,

Did you know that you can recover your child from Autism? I did it with my own son...

>

> I have a six year old that has autism, and that is the reason I have chosen not to vaccinate my 17 month old. I am so scared about the whole swine flu thing and of course evreything else. My question is, what sort of vitamins or supplements do people give their kids who are not vaccinated to make sure they stay healthy? Thanks,

>

> Adrienne

>

[Guest guest]

I give my family cod liver oil, coconut oil, vit D3, Vit. C, probiotics and a good whole food vitamin. They hardly ever get sick anymore.

NJ

Need advice

I have a six year old that has autism, and that is the reason I have chosen not to vaccinate my 17 month old. I am so scared about the whole swine flu thing and of course evreything else. My question is, what sort of vitamins or supplements do people give their kids who are not vaccinated to make sure they stay healthy? Thanks,

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Just remember that the reason every one is afraid of H1N1 is because of the

news. Don't be afraid of the swine flu - they are preying on our fears and that

is how they sell the vaccine. We don't vaccinate and never will. I am way more

afraid of the H1N1 vaccine than the swine flu itself. But I'm actually really

not afraid of H1N1.

I have 5 children 8yrs and younger. I give them Vit C (500-1000 mg), Vit D, Vit

A, and Vit D approx every other day. If they seem to be coming down with

something I'll up it to twice a day or more depending on their age. I eliminate

fake foods almost completely - notice I said almost! I pay them to not eat the

treats that are practically thrown at them at school, church et. I usually give

them the choice of eating it or getting $ for it. Sometimes if it obvious they

are going to make a big mistake I say, go ahead and have a bite or two, then

let's get rid of it so you won't get sick. It really works as they like to have

money to spend and I make a big deal about how proud I am of their good choices

and how much healthier they will be because of it. My 2 year old, obviously,

doesn't have a choice in the matter. I make sure they are full, fed and happy on

fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. I make sure they realize the connection

between eating well and not having cavities and their " strong muscles "

I know your 17 month old is in a different place - but really, you have all the

control of his health just by what you feed him or don't feed him. No processed

foods, keep him healthy by limiting junk period. It really is in our control.

If they get sick, they recover, and they are stronger for it. I also use

homepathics for their sicknesses, but I'm not an expert in homeopathics. I've

also found that milk seems to clog up my kids systems and they do better

without it (except for raw milk) - but that is just our family.

In fact, I'm not sure my 2 year old didn't have the swine flu about a month ago.

Highest fever he's ever had - 104 and it didn't go down for 6 days. He lost 8

lbs. (1/5 of his body weight) layed around listless and I just kept giving him

Vit A and Vit D gel capsules, vit c in juice. He had no appetite. Never seen

him so listless. Yes, it was a little scarey, but I knew he was okay based on

his breathing and I knew he was a healthy, robust kid normally. I just let him

sleep when he wanted. I never gave him any meds for the fever because I wanted

his body to take care of the sickness the way it was made to do. Fevers are

there to do a job - they are a symptom that the body is dealing with the

sickness and cleaning out their systems. I had been a little lax before he got

sick - letting him have stuff I never would have let my older kids have at age

2.

If you look at the true stats - the # of people actually officially diagnosed

with H1N1 it is much lower than they are telling us. Plus, you need to remember

it is the flu. Not leprosy. People are also not reporting other problems that

the patients had, what meds were used (that often make it worse) and other

underlying problems. It is all fear mongering. You can completely keep your

child healthy just by avoiding the garbage food out there.

Wow! this was pretty long, but I just can't stand the way the media is handling

this. They never give weight or attention to all the people refusing the shots

and the junk that people are so willing to inject in their bodies.

>

> I have a six year old that has autism, and that is the reason I have chosen

not to vaccinate my 17 month old. I am so scared about the whole swine flu

thing and of course evreything else. My question is, what sort of vitamins or

supplements do people give their kids who are not vaccinated to make sure they

stay healthy? Thanks,

>

> Adrienne

>

[Guest guest]

I forgot to add: good eggs, sauerkraut, kefir, coconut oil, cod liver oil too.

I know I should do a regular probiotic, I just haven't decided on one yet (thus

the sauerkraut and kefir). Broth and lots and lots of good fats. And they still

are on the skinny side!

Don't be afraid of H1N1 - take that fear away by just feeding your kids well....

>

> I have a six year old that has autism, and that is the reason I have chosen

not to vaccinate my 17 month old. I am so scared about the whole swine flu

thing and of course evreything else. My question is, what sort of vitamins or

supplements do people give their kids who are not vaccinated to make sure they

stay healthy? Thanks,

>

> Adrienne

>

[Guest guest]

I give my daughter a whole food multi vitamin, extra whole food C, extra whole food zinc, a good probiotic, and D3. she is completely unvaxed, and has been sick one time in the last 2 1/2 yrs. I also try to feed her a very healthy diet and get outside A LOT.

Holly

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what sort of vitamins or supplements do people give their kids who are not vaccinated to make sure they stay healthy?

[Guest guest]

oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I give a high quality salmon oil as well.

Holly

In a message dated 10/27/2009 11:17:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ruszala4@... writes:

I give my family cod liver oil,

[Guest guest]

> I have a six year old that has autism, and that is the reason I have chosen

not to vaccinate my 17 month old. I am so scared about the whole swine flu

thing and of course evreything else. My question is, what sort of vitamins or

supplements do people give their kids who are not vaccinated to make sure they

stay healthy? Thanks,

>

> Adrienne

You need to educate yourself about the truth of swine flu and quit listening to

the media. They're hyping this up into an epidemic and it's not. Plain as that.

While there are things to help prevent and help you recover from the flu (any

flu) should you get it, remember that no vitamin or supplement or good diet is

foolproof. Chances are at some point you will get sick. Vits, supps and good

diet will help you recover quicker and will probably prevent you from getting

sick in the future (you might get a milder case). One thing to remember is that

there are no guarantees: not for the vaxed and not for the unvaxed. There are

certainly plenty of reasons not to vax...

I won't repeat what others have said - there have been great posts. I happen to

have a 5 year old unvaxed boy who has been very healthy (even though he does eat

some junk). I'm also pregnant with #2 who will also be unvaxed. I hope that baby

is healthy, too.

Please do not be scared - fear contributes to stress and stress can make your

immune system weak. Keep reading this list !!

Welcome,

Magda

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I just had surgery but Dr. Luque did my surgery and I did not stay at the hospital the full 7 days I was there. If you stay at the hospital the whole time, Id say its do-able. If your going to be in the hotel, I'd bring someone.Best of luck on your surgery!!

From: sakrogman <sakrogman@...> Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 AMSubject: Need Advice

I'll be having surgery with Dr. Bello the first part of April and need to know if I need someone with me or if it's do-able to go by yourself.