Need Advice

[Guest guest]

I have had this in the past and I am postmenopausal as well; it is nothing but a milk duct that can be blocked and then discharges.

Did you ever breastfeed?

This is common and nothing to worry about. It will resolve on its own but can come and go.

Dove Rose

On 6/5/2007 8:47:07 AM, asurnaise (carrolldriskell@...) wrote:> Hello to All,> > I have been around for over a month, reading and trying to> learn as much as I can about the benefits of Iodine.> > I have had a problem now for a year with one breast. I> have clear discharge or sometimes yellow every am on my night> gown. Some mornings, not much and other mornings, several impressions> left of the discharge. I have had mammogram (only notation, dense> breast)but no cancer or fibrocystic changes), I've been checked 3> times by my doctor. He has examined the discharge, and has found> nothing. But, this is still worrisome for me. I am 56 and post> menopausal.> > I eat good balanced diet of organic meats, veggies and fruits. I> walk everyday. And I have this week started with rebounder. Even

[Guest guest]

this may be a long shot....but have you been tested for

Hashi's/hypothyroidism? This exact breast discharge was something I

had very early in my hashi's/hypo history...in the year or two after

childbirth in my 20s.

It's my belief it may be associated with TSH receptor antibodies

(1/3 of hashi's folks have these antibodies)...which are associated

with skin disorder...to include nipple hyperplasia...so make sure

Free T4 and Free T3 are checked along with the usual TPO and

Antithyroglobulin antibodies...since TSH receptor blocking

antibodies can keep the TSH falsely low.

cindi

>.

>

> I have had a problem now for a year with one breast. I

> have clear discharge or sometimes yellow every am on my night

> gown. Some mornings, not much and other mornings, several

impressions

> left of the discharge. I have had mammogram (only notation, dense

> breast)but no cancer or fibrocystic changes), I've been checked 3

> times by my doctor. He has examined the discharge, and has found

> nothing. But, this is still worrisome for me. I am 56 and post

> menopausal.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cindi,

I have TSH panel done when this first started. TSH panel came back in normal range... So, do you think I should have Free T4 and FreeT3 checked? Is it a blood test??

I'm really not knowledgeable in this area about any of this.

Thanks,

Carroll

Re: Need Advice

this may be a long shot....but have you been tested for Hashi's/hypothyroidism? This exact breast discharge was something I had very early in my hashi's/hypo history...in the year or two after childbirth in my 20s. It's my belief it may be associated with TSH receptor antibodies (1/3 of hashi's folks have these antibodies)...which are associated with skin disorder...to include nipple hyperplasia...so make sure Free T4 and Free T3 are checked along with the usual TPO and Antithyroglobulin antibodies...since TSH receptor blocking antibodies can keep the TSH falsely low. cindi>.> > I have had a problem now for a year with one breast. I> have clear discharge or sometimes yellow every am on my night> gown. Some mornings, not much and other mornings, several impressions > left of the discharge. I have had mammogram (only notation, dense > breast)but no cancer or fibrocystic changes), I've been checked 3 > times by my doctor. He has examined the discharge, and has found > nothing. But, this is still worrisome for me. I am 56 and post > menopausal.>

[Guest guest]

What was your TSH? The new recommended top end of the range is now

3...many labs aren't showing that on their forms...but actually

anything over 2 is very very suspicious for hypo.

yes..the Free T4 and Free T3 are blood labs - the actual thyroid

hormones.

cindi

>

> Hi Cindi,

>

> I have TSH panel done when this first started. TSH panel came back

in normal range... So, do you think I should have Free T4 and FreeT3

checked? Is it a blood test??

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

To be honest, I've no idea what the actual reading was on my TSH. It was done at a clinic, because I currently have no health insurance. Doctor just said, your TSH is fine. I do have a doctor that I can go to and request a new TSH and the Free T4 and Free T3.

I'm wondering though, if I would start painting Phil's Iodine on the breast would do anything to improve the situation. Or if I should take Lugols by mouth, maybe a drop a day for 5 days and then rest it 2 days and repeat until I see any results. Your opinion?

Thanks,

Carroll

Re: Need Advice

What was your TSH? The new recommended top end of the range is now 3...many labs aren't showing that on their forms...but actually anything over 2 is very very suspicious for hypo. yes..the Free T4 and Free T3 are blood labs - the actual thyroid hormones. cindi>> Hi Cindi,> > I have TSH panel done when this first started. TSH panel came back in normal range... So, do you think I should have Free T4 and FreeT3 checked? Is it a blood test??

[Guest guest]

Hello

No, I never breastfeed my son. Although, I wished I had later.

This discharge is every night and has been for a year. Sometimes more, sometimes, less. Sometimes also have breast tenderness. But, only on the side with the discharge. Another thing, is that I've been under huge amount of stress...divorce, moving and my job. I'm sure this plays a part.

Thank you for your email though, I never knew anybody else experienced this, postmenopausal!!

I just to do all that I can to protect my "dense, small" breast at my age.

Again, Thanks!

Carroll

Re: Need Advice

I have had this in the past and I am postmenopausal as well; it is nothing but a milk duct that can be blocked and then discharges.

Did you ever breastfeed?

This is common and nothing to worry about. It will resolve on its own but can come and go.

Dove Rose

On 6/5/2007 8:47:07 AM, asurnaise (carrolldriskellmsn) wrote:> Hello to All,> > I have been around for over a month, reading and trying to> learn as much as I can about the benefits of Iodine.> > I have had a problem now for a year with one breast. I> have clear discharge or sometimes yellow every am on my night> gown. Some mornings, not much and other mornings, several impressions> left of the discharge. I have had mammogram (only notation, dense> breast)but no cancer or fibrocystic changes), I've been checked 3> times by my doctor. He has examined the discharge, and has found> nothing. But, this is still worrisome for me. I am 56 and post> menopausal.> > I eat good balanced diet of organic meats, veggies and fruits. I> walk everyday. And I have this week started with rebounder. Even

[Guest guest]

you can always call and ask what it was...or ask for a copy of your

lab sheet.

My opinion would be....I'd always want to knows my thyroid status

before starting iodine supplementation. The Iodoral info states:

The suggested daily amount is 1-4 tablets/day as recommended by your

physician. Work closely with your physician while on the Iodoral®

program. Report to your physician any history of thyroid surgery

and/or radiation, chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis (Hashimoto), and

any previous problem with your thyroid. Before starting Iodoral®,

your physician (He/She = He) will order blood tests for hematology,

blood chemistry and thyroid functions. He will also perform an

ultrasound of your thyroid to measure the size and appearance of

your thyroid. Depending on the results of the thyroid function tests

and ultrasound, he may order some blood tests for thyroid antibodies

That being said...I and others have experienced good results with

painting with Lugol's for certain skin conditions...but I don't

think breast discharge has been mentioned by anyone. But for me, I

would want to know the origin of the discharge...and to rule out

Hashi's/hypo before painting with Lugol's.

cindi

>

> Cindi,

>

> To be honest, I've no idea what the actual reading was on my TSH.

It was done at a clinic, because I currently have no health

insurance. Doctor just said, your TSH is fine. I do have a doctor

that I can go to and request a new TSH and the Free T4 and Free T3.

>

> I'm wondering though, if I would start painting Phil's Iodine on

the breast would do anything to improve the situation. Or if I

should take Lugols by mouth, maybe a drop a day for 5 days and then

rest it 2 days and repeat until I see any results. Your opinion?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cindi, I will call and speak to my doctor about this, as suggested. Although, I know this doctor will roll his eyes, if I mention painting with Lugols or taking Iodoral... if needed because of test results..

Re: Need Advice

you can always call and ask what it was...or ask for a copy of your lab sheet. My opinion would be....I'd always want to knows my thyroid status before starting iodine supplementation. The Iodoral info states:The suggested daily amount is 1-4 tablets/day as recommended by your physician. Work closely with your physician while on the Iodoral® program. Report to your physician any history of thyroid surgery and/or radiation, chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis (Hashimoto), and any previous problem with your thyroid. Before starting Iodoral®, your physician (He/She = He) will order blood tests for hematology, blood chemistry and thyroid functions. He will also perform an ultrasound of your thyroid to measure the size and appearance of your thyroid. Depending on the results of the thyroid function tests and ultrasound, he may order some blood tests for thyroid antibodiesThat being said...I and others have experienced good results with painting with Lugol's for certain skin conditions...but I don't think breast discharge has been mentioned by anyone. But for me, I would want to know the origin of the discharge...and to rule out Hashi's/hypo before painting with Lugol's. cindi>> Cindi,> > To be honest, I've no idea what the actual reading was on my TSH. It was done at a clinic, because I currently have no health insurance. Doctor just said, your TSH is fine. I do have a doctor that I can go to and request a new TSH and the Free T4 and Free T3.> > I'm wondering though, if I would start painting Phil's Iodine on the breast would do anything to improve the situation. Or if I should take Lugols by mouth, maybe a drop a day for 5 days and then rest it 2 days and repeat until I see any results. Your opinion?

[Guest guest]

If you think your doctor will " roll his eyes " or is just not

knowledgable about this subject, why not order the iodine loading test

yourself from Dr. Flechas' office? You will get a phone consult with

Dr. Flechas along with the test results; for $110 this is very

reasonable even without insurance. Also, a friend with invasive

lobular breast cancer was told that this type of cancer does not show

up on mammograms/ultra sound until later stages but that MRIs and

thermograms can sometimes detect it earlier. Thermograms are much less

expensive - why not get one done to give you peace of mind? Stress is

bad for any type of cancer.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joan,

I had friend with breast cancer, that did not show up on mammogram. Thank goodness she has gone through all the chemo etc., and has been free for 2 years. I've asked both doctors if they are suspect of any form of cancer, and both said NO. This type of cancer appears in only 2% of population. I guess I could get thermogram, when I can possibly get some extra money.

Thanks, for the reply

Re: Need Advice

If you think your doctor will "roll his eyes" or is just not knowledgable about this subject, why not order the iodine loading test yourself from Dr. Flechas' office? You will get a phone consult with Dr. Flechas along with the test results; for $110 this is very reasonable even without insurance. Also, a friend with invasive lobular breast cancer was told that this type of cancer does not show up on mammograms/ultra sound until later stages but that MRIs and thermograms can sometimes detect it earlier. Thermograms are much less expensive - why not get one done to give you peace of mind? Stress is bad for any type of cancer.

[Guest guest]

Joan,

One other thing, the discharge has been checked several times by doctor placing the discharge on the slide..for review. Only thing noted, fat cells...

Thanks

Re: Need Advice

If you think your doctor will "roll his eyes" or is just not knowledgable about this subject, why not order the iodine loading test yourself from Dr. Flechas' office? You will get a phone consult with Dr. Flechas along with the test results; for $110 this is very reasonable even without insurance. Also, a friend with invasive lobular breast cancer was told that this type of cancer does not show up on mammograms/ultra sound until later stages but that MRIs and thermograms can sometimes detect it earlier. Thermograms are much less expensive - why not get one done to give you peace of mind? Stress is bad for any type of cancer.

[Guest guest]

One other question, did your discharge last for an extended period of time? This has been going on now for one year.

Thanks so much again for the response.

Carroll

Re: Need Advice

I have had this in the past and I am postmenopausal as well; it is nothing but a milk duct that can be blocked and then discharges.

Did you ever breastfeed?

This is common and nothing to worry about. It will resolve on its own but can come and go.

Dove Rose

On 6/5/2007 8:47:07 AM, asurnaise (carrolldriskellmsn) wrote:> Hello to All,> > I have been around for over a month, reading and trying to> learn as much as I can about the benefits of Iodine.> > I have had a problem now for a year with one breast. I> have clear discharge or sometimes yellow every am on my night> gown. Some mornings, not much and other mornings, several impressions> left of the discharge. I have had mammogram (only notation, dense> breast)but no cancer or fibrocystic changes), I've been checked 3> times by my doctor. He has examined the discharge, and has found> nothing. But, this is still worrisome for me. I am 56 and post> menopausal.> > I eat good balanced diet of organic meats, veggies and fruits. I> walk everyday. And I have this week started with rebounder. Even

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> After many different types of diagnostics, I have tested positive to

> the infectious bacteria Chlamydia Pneumoniae, which appears to be the

> most likely trigger for my (HLA-B27 negative) ReA.

Randy,

Read posting #12814. What are your symptoms? Could they be from a std?

Dan in WI

[Guest guest]

Randy:

I too have tested postive for C. Pneumonia (antibody test). Also, I'm HLA B27

negative.

I've received a number opinions from various doctors. The general theme was

to do absolutely NOTHING being I had no symptoms (i.e. coughing). However, I

was told that C. Trachomatis antibodies are sometimes confused (cross

referenced) with C. Pneumonia. In any event, after years of searching, testing

and treating unknown / unseen diseases... I continue to also suffer from pain in

my joints (feet, hips spine). I am currently taking doxy and rifampin to treat

Reiters Syndrome. Conventional ID doctors think I'm nuts. Way too much

medication for an unidentified disease / bacteria. But.. I've been through

hell and back trying to figure our what's wrong w/ me. So... I'm giving the

dual antibiotic therapy a shot. Been on the mix for 5 months. I haven't seen

much progress but will continue to stay the course. In my very unprofessional

opinion (but based on my research and experience w/ doctors), seems like doxy

(100MG / 2x per day / 14 days) would cure C.

Pnuemonia. So would 5 days of Zithromax. But then again I'm not a doctor ..

Hope you feel better.

---------------------------------

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.

Play Sims Stories at Games.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Please forgive me for taking so long to respond to you, and thank you so much

for two informative emails. I'll try to answer your questions...

I've had reactive arthritis symptoms for 3 1/2 months now. Compared to the

history I read about with other members, I appear to be in the honeymoon

phase, and should have little to complain about....hopefully my symptoms will

not get worse... hopefully, I won't get the urethitis - that sounds rough.

My symptoms: Essentially I have had constant hand and feet swelling with an

inability to withstand weight pressure on many bones/joints (e.g., the forearms,

elbows, metatarsals, knees, butt, shoulders, etc..). I now experience hand pain

that wakes me up during the night.

I am (and it's becoming ..was) a very active athletic and fit 50 yr old.

Unfortunately this ReA hit me like a switch turning on, with a case of

conjunctivitis, which I never have had before. Now I can barely run and I have

stopped playing competitive squash. I can continue to ride my bike to/fro work

everyday and swim, as forms of continuing exercise. I pretty much am very

fatigued by 10 pm - never was the case before. By the way, recent courses of

Prednizone and Methotrexate was causing me more bad symptoms - particularly with

my cardiovascular system, so I am very happy to be off that stuff.

I am positive for Cpn (IGM low, IGG high, and IGA high). All my other tests,

including all the HLV-B series, with B27, have returned normal, which I am very

glad about. Therefore the current opinion is that the Cpn triggered my ReA.

To that end I am on Doxy 100 mg daily, and will probably start

Hydroxychloroquine 200 mg daily after I get a baseline eye checkup.

I note that 200 mg Doxy appears to be the " standard " Rx. I also tried to

discuss the CAP Doxy/Rifampin approach presented in the article you provided me.

I can only imagine how frustrated you must feel after dealing with this for over

4 yrs! I am discouraged too, but trying very hard to beat the Cpn and ReA.

I wish I had some appreciation of what my prognosis is....will I have this

forever, will it go away, will the symptoms get worse or improve?.....I

understand that everyone's ReA is different and dependent on what the triggering

agent was.

I gotta run....

Hang in there

Randy

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NO. I've visiting every doctor in the USA to try to cure / resolve. I've been

told this type of Chlamydia requires NO treatment by a top rated / well know

doctor in NY.

I've been experiencing all kinds of pain (breast bone, hips, feet, lower back

and spine) for almost 4 years. Also had: ureathritis, dry eyes, mouth sores

and dry skin. I've been to s Hopkins, Columbia / Cornell and other top

rated Infectious Disease hospitals. I still have no answer. It's been one

very frustrating experience.

How long have you had ReA symptoms?

lamachine <joeyjoey1231232002@...> wrote:

Randy:

I too have tested postive for C. Pneumonia (antibody test). Also, I'm HLA B27

negative.

I've received a number opinions from various doctors. The general theme was

to do absolutely NOTHING being I had no symptoms (i.e. coughing). However, I

was told that C. Trachomatis antibodies are sometimes confused (cross

referenced) with C. Pneumonia. In any event, after years of searching, testing

and treating unknown / unseen diseases... I continue to also suffer from pain in

my joints (feet, hips spine). I am currently taking doxy and rifampin to treat

Reiters Syndrome. Conventional ID doctors think I'm nuts. Way too much

medication for an unidentified disease / bacteria. But.. I've been through

hell and back trying to figure our what's wrong w/ me. So... I'm giving the

dual antibiotic therapy a shot. Been on the mix for 5 months. I haven't seen

much progress but will continue to stay the course. In my very unprofessional

opinion (but based on my research and experience w/ doctors), seems like doxy

(100MG / 2x per day / 14 days) would cure C.

Pnuemonia. So would 5 days of Zithromax. But then again I'm not a doctor ..

Hope you feel better.

---------------------------------

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.

Play Sims Stories at Games.

[Guest guest]

,

We've had success using liquid zeolite to detoxify metals and alkalize

the body. It's sure to be very acidic after that unwanted assault.

I'm sad to hear your story. It's just unbelievable what's legal in

the US.

Liquid zeolite (a micronized, activated colloidal suspension really)

has a negative charge that attracts positively charged toxins like

mercury and aluminum. It will improve liver and kidney function which

will help to get rid of the other junk too. I also suggest giving the

kids a good probiotic since their guts will also be compromised.

I'm sure Sherry will also offer her homeopathic advice for the viral

part. She's the expert in that department.

You may want to listen to the recording on my website from a doctor

(one of the few on our side). Just click play on the recording:

www.ncdpro.com/detoxqueen.

Sharon

>

> I have a question for you guys. My husband and I have decided not to

> vacinate our children, but we do foster care and all of the foster

> kids in my home have to have their vacinations. We have a 2 year old

> that didn't have any vaccines when he moved in at 10 months. The

> health department refused to vaccinate him until we had proof that he

> hadn't had any. Needless to say it took months. He finally had his

> first set of shots back in May. They forced us to give him 11

> different vaccines all at once, I think it was a total of 5 shots.

> We have not taken him in for this next set because he was so sick

> after the frist set. We also have a 16 month old who we missed her 6

> month shots by 1 month. We put off the 1 year vaccines until now and

> need to get them done. I really do not want to take them to get them

> done. Chances are that we will be adopting these kids, but it will

> be at least 6 months if not longer. What can we do to help dotox

> their little bodies as fast as possible?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Mommy to Mercy (1) and one on the way

> Mommy to 5 (12, 9, 7, 2 and 16 months)

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon

Thanks for sharing here, but just an FYI - please only put your website and

products you sell in your signature line.

It gets sticky here when people are recommending a product that they sell,

in the email response.

Just share what success that you actually had - would love to hear more

details about your success with Zeolite and only a link in your sig line

Sheri

At 11:12 PM 11/2/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>,

>

>We've had success using liquid zeolite to detoxify metals and alkalize

>the body. It's sure to be very acidic after that unwanted assault.

>I'm sad to hear your story. It's just unbelievable what's legal in

>the US.

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[Guest guest]

,

If the child was so sick after his first set of shots, then you have

cause to get a medical exemption. From the forums at MotheringDotCommune

(http://mothering.com/discussions) I have learned that at least some

states allow foster children to get the vaccines one at a time, as long

as they get all of them. I highly recommend looking there (on MDC) and

asking questions specific to your state.

I hope this helps!

~Robyn

wrote:

> I have a question for you guys. My husband and I have decided not to

> vacinate our children, but we do foster care and all of the foster

> kids in my home have to have their vacinations. We have a 2 year old

> that didn't have any vaccines when he moved in at 10 months. The

> health department refused to vaccinate him until we had proof that he

> hadn't had any. Needless to say it took months. He finally had his

> first set of shots back in May. They forced us to give him 11

> different vaccines all at once, I think it was a total of 5 shots.

> We have not taken him in for this next set because he was so sick

> after the frist set. We also have a 16 month old who we missed her 6

> month shots by 1 month. We put off the 1 year vaccines until now and

> need to get them done. I really do not want to take them to get them

> done. Chances are that we will be adopting these kids, but it will

> be at least 6 months if not longer. What can we do to help dotox

> their little bodies as fast as possible?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Mommy to Mercy (1) and one on the way

> Mommy to 5 (12, 9, 7, 2 and 16 months)

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Bee, I have a hernia in the groin area. I am wondering if they are

dangerous?

> Also, could I put some oil of oregano on that area to help? Any

advice is appreciated.

> I have to do the heavy work as my dh cannot do much anymore.

> Are there belts one can wear, without getting a prescription?

==>Hi Mz Violet. You do have to be careful with a hernia. My friend

has one too and he found the diet helped it a great deal. When he goes

off the diet he has more problems. He wears a belt sometimes, when it

feels like the area is weaker. I don't think you have to have a

prescription to buy a belt; check with medical supply stores.

What helps strengthen the area most is balanced nutrients like my diet

and supplement, particularly the " good " fats which will make the cells

stronger, and the meats and eggs of course. It can take the body up to

4 years to remake all of the body's cell membranes out of 50% saturated

fat (lung cells must be 100% saturated fat). Of course people with

candida have a double whammy because candida toxins make the cell

rigid/stiff. So curing candida helps hernia too.

Oil of oregano won't necessary correct the problem but it will help

with pain and help the area heal if it is strained.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

It's very common for this to happen. For instance, I quit drinking

beer (I was up to 6-8 beers per day) and smoking (one pack per day for

18 years) COLD TURKEY after a spiritual fast in 2001. After decades of

treating my body wrong, and having the goal of getting spritually and

physically healthy, I decided to DO IT! I started jogging even. I

noticed within 2 days that all my joints were aching and I was overcome

with fatigue. I also still felt hungover every morning. Within a

month of investigating, I discovered that I had been feeding my candida

with beer for many years... which I had always had, but had become much

worse since a couple of rounds of strong antibiotics in 1998. When I

cut off the yeast's food supply, it IMMEDIATELY introduced itself to me

in a strong way! I started an anti-candida program for 5 months. I

was very strict and lost down to 122 pounds from 160. But the diet

didn't work, because it wasn't THIS one.

As Bee often says, it gets worse before it gets better. But to really

get better, you'll have to get on the program (diet and supplements)

100% and not " tweak it " to suit your cravings. Sure... gradually get

on it over the period of a month. But do get on it.

Doug

I

> would think that symptoms would get better instead of worse as there

> is less in my system to feed it, so why is this happening? How long

> will it go on for, and what can I do to keep from doing the hokey

> pokey all day? I am a teacher and I spend the whole day with

> people's full attention focussed on me.

>

> Thanks and best regards to all,

> Frances

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug and everyone else reading this message

Does anyone get major joint pains? I've been suffering terribly with those

the past couple of months. I sure hope they go away as things improve. I seem

to be having pain most of the time.

Also, what about exercise? I was an avid walker and exercised lots but again

my energy is gone and I simply cannot seem to be able to exercise at all .....

anyone else like that or are you able to exercise? I think it's because my food

intake is low and NO carbs therefore no energy to do anything. I try to cope at

work but it is difficult as well.

Has anyone heard that toasting bread increases the sugar that's in the carbs?

I was advised to eat the yeast free bread untoasted as that will be better ....

Good luck to all and God Bless

Maddy

Doug <organizer777@...> wrote:

It's very common for this to happen. For instance, I quit drinking

beer (I was up to 6-8 beers per day) and smoking (one pack per day for

18 years) COLD TURKEY after a spiritual fast in 2001. After decades of

treating my body wrong, and having the goal of getting spritually and

physically healthy, I decided to DO IT! I started jogging even. I

noticed within 2 days that all my joints were aching and I was overcome

with fatigue. I also still felt hungover every morning. Within a

month of investigating, I discovered that I had been feeding my candida

with beer for many years... which I had always had, but had become much

worse since a couple of rounds of strong antibiotics in 1998. When I

cut off the yeast's food supply, it IMMEDIATELY introduced itself to me

in a strong way! I started an anti-candida program for 5 months. I

was very strict and lost down to 122 pounds from 160. But the diet

didn't work, because it wasn't THIS one.

As Bee often says, it gets worse before it gets better. But to really

get better, you'll have to get on the program (diet and supplements)

100% and not " tweak it " to suit your cravings. Sure... gradually get

on it over the period of a month. But do get on it.

Doug

I

> would think that symptoms would get better instead of worse as there

> is less in my system to feed it, so why is this happening? How long

> will it go on for, and what can I do to keep from doing the hokey

> pokey all day? I am a teacher and I spend the whole day with

> people's full attention focussed on me.

>

> Thanks and best regards to all,

> Frances

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, everyone!

>

> I have been lurking for some time now, but I've never written. I

am

> a carb addict from way back. But I have a bad candida problem that

> manifests itself in my stool and vaginally (Sorry I have to discuss

> this but....I am at a loss to know what to do.)

>

> I have made several attempts to get rid of the carbs with no

> success. This time I am doing it slowly. I have gotten off coffee

> and sugar, but still have some tea. I only have one serving of

carbs

> per day.

>

> Here is my problem and my dilemma. Whenever I get pretty close to

> cleaning up the carbs, my vaginal candida gets really bad. I get

> very dry and I itch so bad it's tormenting me something awful.

This

> has also happened whenever I have tried to take a probiotic, no

> matter how small the dose.

>

> I am in a lot of pain right now and I don't know what to do. I

> would think that symptoms would get better instead of worse as

there

> is less in my system to feed it, so why is this happening? How

long

> will it go on for, and what can I do to keep from doing the hokey

> pokey all day? I am a teacher and I spend the whole day with

> people's full attention focussed on me.

==>Hi Frances. Like Doug wrote, symptoms do intensify during the

healing process, particularly those you had before starting on the

diet. Getting well isn't a steady uphill climb, which you feel

better and better every day. It has its ups and downs. Also your

body will retrace previous symptoms, diseases, injuries, etc., going

backwards in time, according to Hering's Law of Cures.

To understand more about your symptoms and natural healing see this

article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

To learn about Hering's Law of Cures see:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_1_2.php

In the meantime you can help your vaginal symptoms with these

treatments: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/women6.php

My vaginal yeast was the last thing to stop when I did my candida

program over 20 years ago which took me 2 1/2 years, but I'd had it

for over 25 years. It does take 1 month of natural healing for every

year you've had something.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Doug and everyone else reading this message

>

> Does anyone get major joint pains? I've been suffering terribly

with those the past couple of months. I sure hope they go away as

things improve. I seem to be having pain most of the time.

==>Hi Maddy. Joint pain is caused by toxins, which are mostly from

candida, which produces over 79 different kinds. So it is not a bad

thing. You can help your body detoxify better by doing things

recommended in this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

>Also, what about exercise? I was an avid walker and exercised lots

but again my energy is gone and I simply cannot seem to be able to

exercise at all ..... anyone else like that or are you able to

exercise? I think it's because my food intake is low and NO carbs

therefore no energy to do anything. I try to cope at work but it is

difficult as well.

==>It is much more efficient to get energy from the " good " fats on my

program than from carbs. 58% of protein and 10% of fats turn into

glucose inside the body providing all the blood sugar requirements

needed. Good fats also do not utilize so much energy, enzymes, etc.

like carbs do in order to be digested and utilized. Fats like

coconut oil do not even need stomach acid, digestive enzymes or bile

in order for it to be absorbed and utilized in the body. They go out

of the digestive system through the lymphatic system directly into

the blood stream.

==>While exercise is good, it can take energy away that the body

needs in order to heal, depending upon how much is done. Nutrients

are much more important than exercise. The lymphatic system requires

exercise in order to keep it moving, but you can do dry skin brushing

instead of exercises, walking, etc.

>

> Has anyone heard that toasting bread increases the sugar that's in

the carbs? I was advised to eat the yeast free bread untoasted as

that will be better ....

==>No, I haven't heard of that, but breads are not allowed on this

program anyway.

God Bless you too.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Maddy

I got terrible joint pain months after I started this program, in my

hands and I was stiff if I sat for too long as well as when I got up

in the morning. This lasted off and on about a year I think. But it

eventually went away as I healed and I rarely experience it now.

I go for long walks each day but when I first began this program I

became weak and was quite tired. That was partly due to switching

over from carbs to fats and also just being underweight. I exercised

only as much as I could tolerate and built up again as I became

stronger. I can now walk 3 km, garden and ride my bike a bit too on

days when I am more energetic. But you must be patient and not push

your body while it is healing or you will pay for it. You will heal

and get back to exercising when your body is ready. Take it slow and

heal first.

I hope this helps.

Laurie

> It's very common for this to happen. For instance, I

quit drinking

> beer (I was up to 6-8 beers per day) and smoking (one pack per day

for

> 18 years) COLD TURKEY after a spiritual fast in 2001. After

decades of

> treating my body wrong, and having the goal of getting spritually

and

> physically healthy, I decided to DO IT! I started jogging even. I

> noticed within 2 days that all my joints were aching and I was

overcome

> with fatigue. I also still felt hungover every morning. Within a

> month of investigating, I discovered that I had been feeding my

candida

> with beer for many years... which I had always had, but had become

much

> worse since a couple of rounds of strong antibiotics in 1998. When

I

> cut off the yeast's food supply, it IMMEDIATELY introduced itself

to me

> in a strong way! I started an anti-candida program for 5 months. I

> was very strict and lost down to 122 pounds from 160. But the diet

> didn't work, because it wasn't THIS one.

>

> As Bee often says, it gets worse before it gets better. But to

really

> get better, you'll have to get on the program (diet and

supplements)

> 100% and not " tweak it " to suit your cravings. Sure... gradually

get

> on it over the period of a month. But do get on it.

>

> Doug

>

> I

> > would think that symptoms would get better instead of worse as

there

> > is less in my system to feed it, so why is this happening? How

long

> > will it go on for, and what can I do to keep from doing the

hokey

> > pokey all day? I am a teacher and I spend the whole day with

> > people's full attention focussed on me.

> >

> > Thanks and best regards to all,

> > Frances

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been eating a piece of no yeast and no sugar bread ..... I hope it hasn't

caused too much problems .... I like a piece of toast for my breakfast

Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Doug and everyone else reading this message

>

> Does anyone get major joint pains? I've been suffering terribly

with those the past couple of months. I sure hope they go away as

things improve. I seem to be having pain most of the time.

==>Hi Maddy. Joint pain is caused by toxins, which are mostly from

candida, which produces over 79 different kinds. So it is not a bad

thing. You can help your body detoxify better by doing things

recommended in this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

>Also, what about exercise? I was an avid walker and exercised lots

but again my energy is gone and I simply cannot seem to be able to

exercise at all ..... anyone else like that or are you able to

exercise? I think it's because my food intake is low and NO carbs

therefore no energy to do anything. I try to cope at work but it is

difficult as well.

==>It is much more efficient to get energy from the " good " fats on my

program than from carbs. 58% of protein and 10% of fats turn into

glucose inside the body providing all the blood sugar requirements

needed. Good fats also do not utilize so much energy, enzymes, etc.

like carbs do in order to be digested and utilized. Fats like

coconut oil do not even need stomach acid, digestive enzymes or bile

in order for it to be absorbed and utilized in the body. They go out

of the digestive system through the lymphatic system directly into

the blood stream.

==>While exercise is good, it can take energy away that the body

needs in order to heal, depending upon how much is done. Nutrients

are much more important than exercise. The lymphatic system requires

exercise in order to keep it moving, but you can do dry skin brushing

instead of exercises, walking, etc.

>

> Has anyone heard that toasting bread increases the sugar that's in

the carbs? I was advised to eat the yeast free bread untoasted as

that will be better ....

==>No, I haven't heard of that, but breads are not allowed on this

program anyway.

God Bless you too.

Bee