Guest guest Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 Kathy, My son with apraxia used to have lots of issues with texture...and raw greens like lettuce or anything stringy like celery were a big issue. I won't say they are now his favorites, but he now eats them with only mild complaints. He has also become more open to new foods in the last year. > > I am wondering if any parent who has been doing chelation for some time seen any change in a picky eater? Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is waking ds up in the middle of the night. He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along time. Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? Thanks Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 If you go transdermal, you need to do it through the whole round. TJ [ ] AC chelation I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is waking ds up in the middle of the night. He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along time. Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? Thanks Sharon Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 If you use transdermal how do you mix it and apply. Also do you need more to accomplish the same as by mouth and where on the body do you apply. Â My son loves having the magnesium cream and zinc creamed rubbed on his feet at night. He would probably tolerate this well, as far as the application goes. I can't imagine waking him every 3 hours to give him medicine that would have to be liquid or put into liquid for him to drink. He sleeps very soundly once he goes to sleep. Â Thanks, From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 1:02 PM Â If you go transdermal, you need to do it through the whole round. TJ [ ] AC chelation I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is waking ds up in the middle of the night. He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along time. Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? Thanks Sharon Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Also, can you recommend a brand of supplements that can be used to support chelation? Maybe something that will lessen the amount of supplements given per day. I work full time so I can't give supplements but twice a day. I want to chelate my kids ages 4, 5, & 10. I am also considering myself. Also, do you have to follow a special diet while chelating? I apologize if I am jumping in this conversation but I had the same concerns plus more. Thanks for all responses!!! Cheleta's iPad On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:17 PM, drissia wright <ritzywright@...> wrote: > If you use transdermal how do you mix it and apply. Also do you need more to accomplish the same as by mouth and where on the body do you apply. > > My son loves having the magnesium cream and zinc creamed rubbed on his feet at night. He would probably tolerate this well, as far as the application goes. I can't imagine waking him every 3 hours to give him medicine that would have to be liquid or put into liquid for him to drink. He sleeps very soundly once he goes to sleep. > > Thanks, > > > > From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> > Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation > > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 1:02 PM > > > > If you go transdermal, you need to do it through the whole round. > TJ > > [ ] AC chelation > > I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is waking ds up in the middle of the night. > > He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along time. > > Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? > > Thanks > Sharon > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Dosing and frequency is the same as oral. You can only use ALA with transdermal. DMSA is suceptible to oxidation We use a high quality hand or body lotion that absorbs well, right now we are using Lubriderm. You take about 1/4 tsp or so of lotion and mix your ALA dose with it, we do this in a small teacup - stirring it together with a toothpick. Use enough lotion based on the quantity of ALA that it's not a paste, but still the consistency of lotion. You will get the hang of it. We rub it on his back or tummy. Thighs and calfs seem to work well aslo. Couple of things to think about. - Rubbing cream on their back or tummy will wake most kids up more than and oral syringe. - If your child will accept an oral syringe during the day, they will take it at night without really waking up. Swallowing is automatic. The only reason we do it is because our younger boy will not tolerate/accept an oral syringe at any time. TJ ________________________________ From: drissia wright <ritzywright@...> Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 11:17:32 AM Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation  If you use transdermal how do you mix it and apply. Also do you need more to accomplish the same as by mouth and where on the body do you apply.  My son loves having the magnesium cream and zinc creamed rubbed on his feet at night. He would probably tolerate this well, as far as the application goes. I can't imagine waking him every 3 hours to give him medicine that would have to be liquid or put into liquid for him to drink. He sleeps very soundly once he goes to sleep.  Thanks, From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 1:02 PM  If you go transdermal, you need to do it through the whole round. TJ [ ] AC chelation I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is waking ds up in the middle of the night. He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along time. Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? Thanks Sharon Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 - No special diet needed during chelation, but most mercury toxic people do better on a GFCF diet. If you really want to know get an Igg blood test and check for the 50-100 most common foods. - During chelation the most important supps are anti-oxidants like C and E. Other than that Zinc and Magnesium. There are files in the files section that explains supplements by weight. You can get some good multi-powder that covers most of it and then add to it to make your own multi-powder. In your case you could then split the amount of powder and make a shake or something palatable and give them morning and night. TJ ________________________________ From: Cheleta <cheleta9178@...> " " < > Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 11:29:15 AM Subject: Re: [ ] AC chelation  Also, can you recommend a brand of supplements that can be used to support chelation? Maybe something that will lessen the amount of supplements given per day. I work full time so I can't give supplements but twice a day. I want to chelate my kids ages 4, 5, & 10. I am also considering myself. Also, do you have to follow a special diet while chelating? I apologize if I am jumping in this conversation but I had the same concerns plus more. Thanks for all responses!!! Cheleta's iPad On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:17 PM, drissia wright <ritzywright@...> wrote: > If you use transdermal how do you mix it and apply. Also do you need more to >accomplish the same as by mouth and where on the body do you apply. > > My son loves having the magnesium cream and zinc creamed rubbed on his feet at >night. He would probably tolerate this well, as far as the application goes. I >can't imagine waking him every 3 hours to give him medicine that would have to >be liquid or put into liquid for him to drink. He sleeps very soundly once he >goes to sleep. > > Thanks, > > > > From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> > Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation > > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 1:02 PM > > > > If you go transdermal, you need to do it through the whole round. > TJ > > [ ] AC chelation > > I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is >waking ds up in the middle of the night. > > He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along >time. > > Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? > > Thanks > Sharon > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thank you TJ you have been very helpful to me! Cheleta's iPad On Feb 10, 2011, at 4:21 PM, TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> wrote: > - No special diet needed during chelation, but most mercury toxic people do > better on a GFCF diet. If you really want to know get an Igg blood test and > check for the 50-100 most common foods. > - During chelation the most important supps are anti-oxidants like C and E. > Other than that Zinc and Magnesium. There are files in the files section that > explains supplements by weight. You can get some good multi-powder that covers > most of it and then add to it to make your own multi-powder. In your case you > could then split the amount of powder and make a shake or something palatable > and give them morning and night. > TJ > > ________________________________ > From: Cheleta <cheleta9178@...> > " " < > > Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 11:29:15 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] AC chelation > > > Also, can you recommend a brand of supplements that can be used to support > chelation? Maybe something that will lessen the amount of supplements given per > day. I work full time so I can't give supplements but twice a day. I want to > chelate my kids ages 4, 5, & 10. I am also considering myself. Also, do you have > to follow a special diet while chelating? I apologize if I am jumping in this > conversation but I had the same concerns plus more. Thanks for all responses!!! > > Cheleta's iPad > > On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:17 PM, drissia wright <ritzywright@...> wrote: > > > If you use transdermal how do you mix it and apply. Also do you need more to > >accomplish the same as by mouth and where on the body do you apply. > > > > My son loves having the magnesium cream and zinc creamed rubbed on his feet at > >night. He would probably tolerate this well, as far as the application goes. I > >can't imagine waking him every 3 hours to give him medicine that would have to > >be liquid or put into liquid for him to drink. He sleeps very soundly once he > >goes to sleep. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> > > Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation > > > > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 1:02 PM > > > > > > > > If you go transdermal, you need to do it through the whole round. > > TJ > > > > [ ] AC chelation > > > > I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is > >waking ds up in the middle of the night. > > > > He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along > >time. > > > > Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? > > > > Thanks > > Sharon > > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Ok thanks. He takes other liquid meds in a syringe. Does not swallow pills, not even with an oraflo cup. I guess I thought it would strangle him if he weren't awake. The majority of supplements that come in capsules, I open and mix in pureed pears. How many times a day should he be taking the supplements. He also takes Abilify and Klonopin for SIB and aggression. Ever once in a while, he just turns pale and starts hitting himself in the sides of the head with the palms of his hands. Can he do chelation while on these medications? Â Thanks for all the info. Drissia From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 1:02 PM Â If you go transdermal, you need to do it through the whole round. TJ [ ] AC chelation I want to start chelation but low and slow ( no iv), however my concern is waking ds up in the middle of the night. He does not wake up easy and when awake doesn't go back to sleep for along time. Is there a transdermal that I could use only in the middle of the night? Thanks Sharon Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 ALA is just considered to be an antioxidant by mainstream medicine. I would check online about those other drugs and how they interact with vitamins. As with anything, start at a low dose. If he is very mercury toxic he will react very noticeably. TJ Re: [ ] AC chelation Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 4:15 PM Â Dosing and frequency is the same as oral. You can only use ALA with transdermal. DMSA is suceptible to oxidation We use a high quality hand or body lotion that absorbs well, right now we are using Lubriderm. You take about 1/4 tsp or so of lotion and mix your ALA dose with it, we do this in a small teacup - stirring it together with a toothpick. Use enough lotion based on the quantity of ALA that it's not a paste, but still the consistency of lotion. Yo [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 What kind of reactions should I expect? Physical, behavioral? I have charcoal and alka seltzer gold on hand. Can I use either of those or will that mess with the chelation? I had a hair elements test done a while back and he didn't actually meet the counting rules. Was tested for heavy metals about 10 years ago, but nothing showed except arsenic. Heavy metals barely registered on the hair test as well. The minerals were mostly in the deficient range except for the cobalt which was in the red the other way. Â Thanks for all your information. I just want to make sure I am doing this right and the easiest way possible for him. He is 18 and now weighs 150 lbs. Behaviors are not so simple to handle. I do have Andy's books. Should all of my answers be in there? Â Drissia From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> Subject: Re: [ ] AC chelation Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 4:15 PM Â Dosing and frequency is the same as oral. You can only use ALA with transdermal. DMSA is suceptible to oxidation We use a high quality hand or body lotion that absorbs well, right now we are using Lubriderm. You take about 1/4 tsp or so of lotion and mix your ALA dose with it, we do this in a small teacup - stirring it together with a toothpick. Use enough lotion based on the quantity of ALA that it's not a paste, but still the consistency of lotion. Yo [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Things you might see when starting chelation are: - Black bags under the eyes. - Lethargy, lack of energy. - Yeast will kick up, so you can get behavior and bowel issues from that. You can offset the first two by extra vitamin C, and the last one by a yeast protocol. TJ ________________________________ From: drissia wright <ritzywright@...> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 7:00:43 AM Subject: RE: [ ] AC chelation  What kind of reactions should I expect? Physical, behavioral? I have charcoal and alka seltzer gold on hand. Can I use either of those or will that mess with the chelation? I had a hair elements test done a while back and he didn't actually meet the counting rules. Was tested for heavy metals about 10 years ago, but nothing showed except arsenic. Heavy metals barely registered on the hair test as well. The minerals were mostly in the deficient range except for the cobalt which was in the red the other way.  Thanks for all your information. I just want to make sure I am doing this right and the easiest way possible for him. He is 18 and now weighs 150 lbs. Behaviors are not so simple to handle. I do have Andy's books. Should all of my answers be in there?  Drissia From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> Subject: Re: [ ] AC chelation Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 4:15 PM  Dosing and frequency is the same as oral. You can only use ALA with transdermal. DMSA is suceptible to oxidation We use a high quality hand or body lotion that absorbs well, right now we are using Lubriderm. You take about 1/4 tsp or so of lotion and mix your ALA dose with it, we do this in a small teacup - stirring it together with a toothpick. Use enough lotion based on the quantity of ALA that it's not a paste, but still the consistency of lotion. Yo [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thanks. From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> Subject: Re: [ ] AC chelation Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 4:15 PM Â Dosing and frequency is the same as oral. You can only use ALA with transdermal. DMSA is suceptible to oxidation We use a high quality hand or body lotion that absorbs well, right now we are using Lubriderm. You take about 1/4 tsp or so of lotion and mix your ALA dose with it, we do this in a small teacup - stirring it together with a toothpick. Use enough lotion based on the quantity of ALA that it's not a paste, but still the consistency of lotion. Yo [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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