Re: rd: 2 - more uncooperative, uncoordinated and quick to cry....

[Guest guest]

Are you on the Recovery from Autism group too? Any reason why you are doing just

DMSA?

Liz

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> i'm worried about school tomorrow, he's already on walking a thin line...

could not even put his socks on, i had to drag him through putting every article

of clothing on... extraordinatily clumsy, stubborn, weepy, uncooperative.

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[Guest guest]

don't know about recovery from autism group.... i thaught i read to start with

dmsa only first and then after a few rounds add the ala... i ordered that ant

yeast aid from kirkman, should be here tomorrow.

i had a tutor scheduled today, and she couldn't even work with him.

so, now what? push through? and then maybe do a little charcoal tomorrow?

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could not even put his socks on, i had to drag him through putting every article

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[Guest guest]

Just using DMSA is fine. How much does he weigh? Do not give charcoal if you

are on a round, only off round. You say your dosing every 3-4 hours. Doses are

supposed to be given every 4 hours, try to stick to that. You may want to look

into adrenal issues and get a yeast protocol in place.

Dr. Suzanne DaSilva

www.biomedicaldoc.com

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could not even put his socks on, i had to drag him through putting every article

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[Guest guest]

I know of a few people who struggle with the DMSA in the way you seem to be

describing--very emotional, everything seems like too much, etc. This is even

the same for me--I can take 100 mgs of ala no problem, but 50 mgs of dmsa was

too much for me, and I cannot be nearly as toxic as most kids. I know your dose

is very low, but I would go even lower on the next round (like 2-3 mgs), or

consider an ala only round. If your son hasn't had exposure to mercury in the

last few months, no reason why you can't do the ala.

I would consider adding in some charcoal at the end (watch out for constipation,

which won't help the situation) and add in some extra antioxidants right now,

keeping them in for a few days.

Anita

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could not even put his socks on, i had to drag him through putting every article

of clothing on... extraordinatily clumsy, stubborn, weepy, uncooperative.

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[Guest guest]

would it be wise to back down to 6 mcg's for the remainer of this cycle, and go

more toward ev 4 hrs. I was doing 3 hrs in the daytime, 4 hr through the night.

If he's a bear in the am, i'll keep him home from school and give him some

charcoal and the Monday night before bed.

i wasn't aware charcoal is constipating, thaught the opposite actually. I can

up the biotin, and add in the yeast aid tomorrow?

fyi: i spend sept through dec just doing liver life and some supplements to get

him ready to begin chelating.

argh! just can't bear the thaught of a regression. but, that's what i'm

seeing.

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uncooperative.

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[Guest guest]

I wouldn't reduce during a round but would cut the round short to the minimum.

I'm not sure why you were doing dmsa every 3 hours during the day, as for the

vast majority of people it isn't necessary. There are some people who do better

with doses more frequent than those recommended. If your son doesn't seem to be

one, then I'd go back to the 4 hours recommended for most.

If you suspect yeast, my recommendation would be to add in a lot of probiotics.

Biotin doesn't kill yeast actively, but only prevents yeast from 'hiding'. What

we found effective here was giving yeast killers (enzymes mostly) during the

night and then a large dose of probiotics in the morning and again later in the

day. So, nighttime killing, daytime replenishing the good bacteria.

Is your son on all of the recommended supplements?

Anita

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[Guest guest]

I thaught I read to do dmsa ev 3 hrs and could stretch to 4 at night but go back

to 3 in the day. So, maybe it's just too frequent? I've been doing supps 4'x

daily. I've just added mag malate and an x tra super antioxident to the next

supplement cocktail.

I was planning on adding in the ala next weekend... advised? or not? my son

had friday and monday off, so i am able to do more than 2.6 days.

I've never used enzymes - i have some kirkman samples, would a multi work? i

have a pro biotic wafer from kirkmans..

C 1,250

D3 1,100 iu

molybdenum 100 mg

Biotin 4000 mcg

Milk Thistle 100 mg

Coq10 200 mg

carnitine 750 mg

enhansa 300 mg

A 2,500 iu

E 2.5 iu

b-1 7.5 mg

b-2 7.5 mg

niacinamide 12.5 mg

b-6 225 mg

b-12 5 mcg

Panthrotenric acid 10 mg

mag sul+Clor 5 mg

zinc 5 mg

selenium 25 mcg

manganese 50 mcg

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[Guest guest]

You're thinking of the timing for ALA.

At the end of the Supplement file (look in the files section of AM) you'll see

the recommended doses for supplements to use while chelating. It doesn't look

to me like you have enough. They are dosed by weight for the most part, so you

need to calculate for your son. But just a quick glance tells me that you need

to up some of them considerably, even if your son is very light. Eg: E should

be 500 iu's a day, not 2.5. Antioxidants are very important during chelation.

The enzymes I meant for yeast were Candex or a similar product. They are

specifically for yeast. You can google that name and read about them.

Anita

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[Guest guest]

This sounds like adrenal stress. Consider adrenal cortex extract, very helpful

for meltdowns that occur with chelation.

Don't give charcoal on round with chelators.

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> rd 2: dmsa @ 8.5 mg ev. 3-4 hrs

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> i'm worried about school tomorrow, he's already on walking a thin line...

could not even put his socks on, i had to drag him through putting every article

of clothing on... extraordinatily clumsy, stubborn, weepy, uncooperative.

>

> anything i can do to abate this situation?

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[Guest guest]

DMSA brings out very strong sensory issues in my son. I should mention he has

high lead. He has a low tolerance for being told " no " , is incredibly active

(has to be moving, jumping, kicking, etc. all the time), is scared of toilet

flushing - bath filling at times, perceives communication to be more of a threat

sometimes. He is not sensitive to phenols when on DMSA only, but he does have

gut pain sometimes after eating due to DMSA just being horrible on the gut. I

have found aloe/banana/pear smoothies very helpful with this, along with really

good Candida support and probiotics (liking Kombucha tea and cultured veggies

best). I suggest you give LOTS of epsom salt baths to comfort him, and if you

can, keep him home and comfortable - give him massages or something.

Liz

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> rd 2: dmsa @ 8.5 mg ev. 3-4 hrs

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> i'm worried about school tomorrow, he's already on walking a thin line...

could not even put his socks on, i had to drag him through putting every article

of clothing on... extraordinatily clumsy, stubborn, weepy, uncooperative.

>

> anything i can do to abate this situation?

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[Guest guest]

With the weepiness, I would suspect adrenals. This is the case for our

son. I now know if he gets anxious, has anxiety, is clingy, is quick to

cry, then it is adrenal fatigue. I suspect a great deal fo his lung issues

over the years has been more adrenals than lungs. since starting ACE, he

has had no asthma issues. Of course, someone sent me an abstract regarding

ALA helping with asthma, as well, but I know when I see the signs as

described above and I have given ACE, it subsides.

Haven

[Guest guest]

What is ACE?

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> With the weepiness, I would suspect adrenals. This is the case for our

> son. I now know if he gets anxious, has anxiety, is clingy, is quick to

> cry, then it is adrenal fatigue. I suspect a great deal fo his lung issues

> over the years has been more adrenals than lungs. since starting ACE, he

> has had no asthma issues. Of course, someone sent me an abstract regarding

> ALA helping with asthma, as well, but I know when I see the signs as

> described above and I have given ACE, it subsides.

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> Haven

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[Guest guest]

Adrenal cortex extract, although many of the supps are just called Adrenal

Cortex now. I noticed that they have a new brand at iHerb now. It has a

higher amount, much like the nutricology one many people used before it was

discontinued.

http://www.iherb.com/Cardiovascular-Research-Ltd-Cortol-ACE-60-Capsules/27027?at\

=0

Lots of people use this one too:

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-ADRENergize-Energy-50-Capsules/2121?at=0

This one has a lower amount of the adrenal tissue:

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Adrenal-Cortex-60-Veggie-Caps/18706?at=0

Anita

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> > With the weepiness, I would suspect adrenals. This is the case for our

> > son. I now know if he gets anxious, has anxiety, is clingy, is quick to

> > cry, then it is adrenal fatigue. I suspect a great deal fo his lung issues

> > over the years has been more adrenals than lungs. since starting ACE, he

> > has had no asthma issues. Of course, someone sent me an abstract regarding

> > ALA helping with asthma, as well, but I know when I see the signs as

> > described above and I have given ACE, it subsides.

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> > Haven

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