Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 It can takes months to see the results of any SSRI like Paxil. I will say from experience though, that some kids (my nine year old daughter leaps to mind) react very strongly to SSRIs, and very quickly. While Paxil didn't do this, Luvox (same class of drugs) caused severe hyperactivity, impulsive behavior, mouthy impertinence, etc. And when we started her on Celexa (at only 5 mg.) we could see a big difference in three days. That isn't " supposed " to happen. She is still only on 10 mg. which isn't close to the therapeutic dose for OCD, but it keeps her happy and in control of her OCD for the most part. Some people need to start at an even lower dose of a med (Paxil comes in liquid form - that's why we first started with it) and work up VERY VERY slowly. Other kids seem to adjust and the hyperactivity and other side effects diminish over time. Make sure you discuss all of this thoroughly with the prescribing doc, and do some reading about this class of drugs. Not all doctors take the maxim " start low and go slow " so seriously - our psychiatrist increased our daughter's meds too quickly in the beginning. When I insisted on much lower doses and more spread out increases, everything went much, much better. Good luck - and have patience. It can take a very long time to find the right dosage of the right medication to help your particular child, but in the end most people do! in Nevada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 It can takes months to see the results of any SSRI like Paxil. I will say from experience though, that some kids (my nine year old daughter leaps to mind) react very strongly to SSRIs, and very quickly. While Paxil didn't do this, Luvox (same class of drugs) caused severe hyperactivity, impulsive behavior, mouthy impertinence, etc. And when we started her on Celexa (at only 5 mg.) we could see a big difference in three days. That isn't " supposed " to happen. She is still only on 10 mg. which isn't close to the therapeutic dose for OCD, but it keeps her happy and in control of her OCD for the most part. Some people need to start at an even lower dose of a med (Paxil comes in liquid form - that's why we first started with it) and work up VERY VERY slowly. Other kids seem to adjust and the hyperactivity and other side effects diminish over time. Make sure you discuss all of this thoroughly with the prescribing doc, and do some reading about this class of drugs. Not all doctors take the maxim " start low and go slow " so seriously - our psychiatrist increased our daughter's meds too quickly in the beginning. When I insisted on much lower doses and more spread out increases, everything went much, much better. Good luck - and have patience. It can take a very long time to find the right dosage of the right medication to help your particular child, but in the end most people do! in Nevada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 It can takes months to see the results of any SSRI like Paxil. I will say from experience though, that some kids (my nine year old daughter leaps to mind) react very strongly to SSRIs, and very quickly. While Paxil didn't do this, Luvox (same class of drugs) caused severe hyperactivity, impulsive behavior, mouthy impertinence, etc. And when we started her on Celexa (at only 5 mg.) we could see a big difference in three days. That isn't " supposed " to happen. She is still only on 10 mg. which isn't close to the therapeutic dose for OCD, but it keeps her happy and in control of her OCD for the most part. Some people need to start at an even lower dose of a med (Paxil comes in liquid form - that's why we first started with it) and work up VERY VERY slowly. Other kids seem to adjust and the hyperactivity and other side effects diminish over time. Make sure you discuss all of this thoroughly with the prescribing doc, and do some reading about this class of drugs. Not all doctors take the maxim " start low and go slow " so seriously - our psychiatrist increased our daughter's meds too quickly in the beginning. When I insisted on much lower doses and more spread out increases, everything went much, much better. Good luck - and have patience. It can take a very long time to find the right dosage of the right medication to help your particular child, but in the end most people do! in Nevada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 Hi , As you might guess by now, each person reacts differently to medications. Paxil was not a good choice for my son - it made him dangerously hyperactive. Prozac is the SSRI that has worked best for him. I would suggest speaking with the prescribing physician in order to obtain his/her suggestions for how to proceed. Your son may need to try a different medication in order to obtain better results, but that is a decision that you will need to make with his Dr. in Southeastern PA milissa_laurents wrote: My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD. Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper, aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hi there, yes it can take several weeks *at a therapeautic dose* before you can see an SSRI's full effect against the OCD symptoms. I don't have my reference book handy, but 5 mg. Paxil is a very low dose, and wouldn't usually be expected to reduce O's and C's. All the SSRI's, of which Paxil is one, are antiobsessionals at relatively higher doses, and antidepressants at lower doses. There are exceptions of course, but your family physician may not be the best choice to oversee your son's medication. A psychiatrist (also an MD) is more likely to be well-versed in medications and their usual dosing in a disorder such as OCD. OTOH your doctor may be intending to raise your son's Paxil dose very slowly, which is a good way to avoid any side effects such as hyperness, insomnia, etc. You may want to ask at the next appointment what the plan is for medicating your child. Take care, Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: milissa_laurents My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD. Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper, aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hi there, yes it can take several weeks *at a therapeautic dose* before you can see an SSRI's full effect against the OCD symptoms. I don't have my reference book handy, but 5 mg. Paxil is a very low dose, and wouldn't usually be expected to reduce O's and C's. All the SSRI's, of which Paxil is one, are antiobsessionals at relatively higher doses, and antidepressants at lower doses. There are exceptions of course, but your family physician may not be the best choice to oversee your son's medication. A psychiatrist (also an MD) is more likely to be well-versed in medications and their usual dosing in a disorder such as OCD. OTOH your doctor may be intending to raise your son's Paxil dose very slowly, which is a good way to avoid any side effects such as hyperness, insomnia, etc. You may want to ask at the next appointment what the plan is for medicating your child. Take care, Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: milissa_laurents My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD. Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper, aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hi there, yes it can take several weeks *at a therapeautic dose* before you can see an SSRI's full effect against the OCD symptoms. I don't have my reference book handy, but 5 mg. Paxil is a very low dose, and wouldn't usually be expected to reduce O's and C's. All the SSRI's, of which Paxil is one, are antiobsessionals at relatively higher doses, and antidepressants at lower doses. There are exceptions of course, but your family physician may not be the best choice to oversee your son's medication. A psychiatrist (also an MD) is more likely to be well-versed in medications and their usual dosing in a disorder such as OCD. OTOH your doctor may be intending to raise your son's Paxil dose very slowly, which is a good way to avoid any side effects such as hyperness, insomnia, etc. You may want to ask at the next appointment what the plan is for medicating your child. Take care, Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: milissa_laurents My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD. Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper, aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hi , It is tough being the parent of an OCD child, especially when it comes to discipline. One of the books that really helped me was The Explosive Child by Dr. Green. We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors. No matter what we did it did not seem to help. Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside' family members about our spoiled child. One therapist assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death and it would not change him. Here was this child who was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was going on and all we knew was he needed to behave. What really helped me was reading and educating myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family education classes. Medication really helped our son too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next appointment you can write out some questions to ask your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start the medication out at a low dose and work up to a therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more. For OCD the doses are higher than for treating depression. I am sure your Dr told you this? Good luck with your next appointment. Vivian in WA ST --- milissa_laurents wrote: > My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one > month ago as OCD. > Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. > The first three > days we seemed to notice a difference in his > behavior, but that was > it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is > hyper, > aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I > discipline him. He > refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything > that could be > dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow > up and I do not > see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else > experienced this? And > have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil > to work? > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Re: hyperactivity Hi , It is tough being the parent of an OCD child, especially when it comes to discipline. One of the books that really helped me was The Explosive Child by Dr. Green. We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors. No matter what we did it did not seem to help. Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside' family members about our spoiled child. One therapist assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death and it would not change him. Here was this child who was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was going on and all we knew was he needed to behave. What really helped me was reading and educating myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family education classes. Medication really helped our son too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next appointment you can write out some questions to ask your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start the medication out at a low dose and work up to a therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more. For OCD the doses are higher than for treating depression. I am sure your Dr told you this? Good luck with your next appointment. Vivian in WA ST --- milissa_laurents wrote: > My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one > month ago as OCD. > Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. > The first three > days we seemed to notice a difference in his > behavior, but that was > it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is > hyper, > aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I > discipline him. He > refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything > that could be > dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow > up and I do not > see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else > experienced this? And > have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil > to work? > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Re: hyperactivity Hi , It is tough being the parent of an OCD child, especially when it comes to discipline. One of the books that really helped me was The Explosive Child by Dr. Green. We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors. No matter what we did it did not seem to help. Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside' family members about our spoiled child. One therapist assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death and it would not change him. Here was this child who was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was going on and all we knew was he needed to behave. What really helped me was reading and educating myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family education classes. Medication really helped our son too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next appointment you can write out some questions to ask your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start the medication out at a low dose and work up to a therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more. For OCD the doses are higher than for treating depression. I am sure your Dr told you this? Good luck with your next appointment. Vivian in WA ST --- milissa_laurents wrote: > My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one > month ago as OCD. > Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. > The first three > days we seemed to notice a difference in his > behavior, but that was > it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is > hyper, > aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I > discipline him. He > refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything > that could be > dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow > up and I do not > see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else > experienced this? And > have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil > to work? > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Re: hyperactivity Hi , It is tough being the parent of an OCD child, especially when it comes to discipline. One of the books that really helped me was The Explosive Child by Dr. Green. We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors. No matter what we did it did not seem to help. Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside' family members about our spoiled child. One therapist assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death and it would not change him. Here was this child who was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was going on and all we knew was he needed to behave. What really helped me was reading and educating myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family education classes. Medication really helped our son too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next appointment you can write out some questions to ask your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start the medication out at a low dose and work up to a therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more. For OCD the doses are higher than for treating depression. I am sure your Dr told you this? Good luck with your next appointment. Vivian in WA ST --- milissa_laurents wrote: > My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one > month ago as OCD. > Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. > The first three > days we seemed to notice a difference in his > behavior, but that was > it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is > hyper, > aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I > discipline him. He > refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything > that could be > dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow > up and I do not > see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else > experienced this? And > have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil > to work? > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattymanzanares@... writes: > right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to > understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so > disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a > maniac and she doesn't give up Kathy, Patty I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed time is 9:00). Any one have any other suggestions Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattymanzanares@... writes: > right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to > understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so > disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a > maniac and she doesn't give up Kathy, Patty I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed time is 9:00). Any one have any other suggestions Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattymanzanares@... writes: > right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to > understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so > disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a > maniac and she doesn't give up Kathy, Patty I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed time is 9:00). Any one have any other suggestions Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Kathy, Hi you are such a sweet ladt and i do appreciate your emails. I just wish i had a friend or someone i could talk to at home, and right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a maniac and she doesn't give up till she drives me out of the house, and thats what i do i get in my car and leave for about a half hr, usually i go to church and pray for strength but sometimes my prayers arent answered. sometimes i feel i am looseing it. my life is one big circle of confuseion and has been for 4 yrs. thanks for being there for me love Patty in calif. Re: hyperactivity HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Kathy, Hi you are such a sweet ladt and i do appreciate your emails. I just wish i had a friend or someone i could talk to at home, and right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a maniac and she doesn't give up till she drives me out of the house, and thats what i do i get in my car and leave for about a half hr, usually i go to church and pray for strength but sometimes my prayers arent answered. sometimes i feel i am looseing it. my life is one big circle of confuseion and has been for 4 yrs. thanks for being there for me love Patty in calif. Re: hyperactivity HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Kathy, Hi you are such a sweet ladt and i do appreciate your emails. I just wish i had a friend or someone i could talk to at home, and right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a maniac and she doesn't give up till she drives me out of the house, and thats what i do i get in my car and leave for about a half hr, usually i go to church and pray for strength but sometimes my prayers arent answered. sometimes i feel i am looseing it. my life is one big circle of confuseion and has been for 4 yrs. thanks for being there for me love Patty in calif. Re: hyperactivity HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Re: hyperactivity HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Re: hyperactivity HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Re: hyperactivity HI Patty: Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our family has dealt with this too. A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is essential IMO. I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by. When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume social interactions with anything close to his former social skills. IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h) kathyh@... > Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better. > my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif. Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Tammy and Patty, Keep in mind that even though I am a moderator on this list, I am only a parent and I share from my own experiences only. Often when my 8 1/2 yr. old OCD/AD/HD son is symptomatic..be it AD/HD, OCD related or the anxiety that comes from the complications of these disorders, he will usually behave in the ways you both have described. When he is in the heightened state of alert that his disabilities cause, his perceptions of the world around him can become skewed and this in turn increases his anxiety level to the point of his becoming hyperactive and at times threatening and if pushed too far, violent. Factor in his age and the increase in rebelliousness that that brings and sometimes we don't have such a good scenario here, or at school. School is where most of the problems arise for Tommy as that is where he experiences the most anxiety. When we have behavior that does not respond to consequences, then that is the time to LOUDLY contact his doctors. It is my belief that no parent should suffer harm because of a child's disability if symtoms can be controlled by therapy and/or medication. Sometimes, just backing away from my son will give him the space to work through his difficulties and allow time for him to shift the " gears " in his brain, but most often it takes a little bit of trial and error on my part before I can determine without a doubt that he is having symptoms, or just being a kid. Sincerely, in Southeastern PA Tmmy1212@... wrote: In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattymanzanares@... writes: > right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to > understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so > disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a > maniac and she doesn't give up Kathy, Patty I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed time is 9:00). Any one have any other suggestions Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Tammy and Patty, Keep in mind that even though I am a moderator on this list, I am only a parent and I share from my own experiences only. Often when my 8 1/2 yr. old OCD/AD/HD son is symptomatic..be it AD/HD, OCD related or the anxiety that comes from the complications of these disorders, he will usually behave in the ways you both have described. When he is in the heightened state of alert that his disabilities cause, his perceptions of the world around him can become skewed and this in turn increases his anxiety level to the point of his becoming hyperactive and at times threatening and if pushed too far, violent. Factor in his age and the increase in rebelliousness that that brings and sometimes we don't have such a good scenario here, or at school. School is where most of the problems arise for Tommy as that is where he experiences the most anxiety. When we have behavior that does not respond to consequences, then that is the time to LOUDLY contact his doctors. It is my belief that no parent should suffer harm because of a child's disability if symtoms can be controlled by therapy and/or medication. Sometimes, just backing away from my son will give him the space to work through his difficulties and allow time for him to shift the " gears " in his brain, but most often it takes a little bit of trial and error on my part before I can determine without a doubt that he is having symptoms, or just being a kid. Sincerely, in Southeastern PA Tmmy1212@... wrote: In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattymanzanares@... writes: > right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to > understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so > disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a > maniac and she doesn't give up Kathy, Patty I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed time is 9:00). Any one have any other suggestions Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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