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It can takes months to see the results of any SSRI like Paxil. I will say

from experience though, that some kids (my nine year old daughter leaps to

mind) react very strongly to SSRIs, and very quickly. While Paxil didn't do

this, Luvox (same class of drugs) caused severe hyperactivity, impulsive

behavior, mouthy impertinence, etc. And when we started her on Celexa (at

only 5 mg.) we could see a big difference in three days. That isn't

" supposed " to happen. She is still only on 10 mg. which isn't close to the

therapeutic dose for OCD, but it keeps her happy and in control of her OCD

for the most part. Some people need to start at an even lower dose of a med

(Paxil comes in liquid form - that's why we first started with it) and work

up VERY VERY slowly. Other kids seem to adjust and the hyperactivity and

other side effects diminish over time. Make sure you discuss all of this

thoroughly with the prescribing doc, and do some reading about this class of

drugs. Not all doctors take the maxim " start low and go slow " so seriously -

our psychiatrist increased our daughter's meds too quickly in the beginning.

When I insisted on much lower doses and more spread out increases, everything

went much, much better.

Good luck - and have patience. It can take a very long time to find the right

dosage of the right medication to help your particular child, but in the end

most people do!

in Nevada

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It can takes months to see the results of any SSRI like Paxil. I will say

from experience though, that some kids (my nine year old daughter leaps to

mind) react very strongly to SSRIs, and very quickly. While Paxil didn't do

this, Luvox (same class of drugs) caused severe hyperactivity, impulsive

behavior, mouthy impertinence, etc. And when we started her on Celexa (at

only 5 mg.) we could see a big difference in three days. That isn't

" supposed " to happen. She is still only on 10 mg. which isn't close to the

therapeutic dose for OCD, but it keeps her happy and in control of her OCD

for the most part. Some people need to start at an even lower dose of a med

(Paxil comes in liquid form - that's why we first started with it) and work

up VERY VERY slowly. Other kids seem to adjust and the hyperactivity and

other side effects diminish over time. Make sure you discuss all of this

thoroughly with the prescribing doc, and do some reading about this class of

drugs. Not all doctors take the maxim " start low and go slow " so seriously -

our psychiatrist increased our daughter's meds too quickly in the beginning.

When I insisted on much lower doses and more spread out increases, everything

went much, much better.

Good luck - and have patience. It can take a very long time to find the right

dosage of the right medication to help your particular child, but in the end

most people do!

in Nevada

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It can takes months to see the results of any SSRI like Paxil. I will say

from experience though, that some kids (my nine year old daughter leaps to

mind) react very strongly to SSRIs, and very quickly. While Paxil didn't do

this, Luvox (same class of drugs) caused severe hyperactivity, impulsive

behavior, mouthy impertinence, etc. And when we started her on Celexa (at

only 5 mg.) we could see a big difference in three days. That isn't

" supposed " to happen. She is still only on 10 mg. which isn't close to the

therapeutic dose for OCD, but it keeps her happy and in control of her OCD

for the most part. Some people need to start at an even lower dose of a med

(Paxil comes in liquid form - that's why we first started with it) and work

up VERY VERY slowly. Other kids seem to adjust and the hyperactivity and

other side effects diminish over time. Make sure you discuss all of this

thoroughly with the prescribing doc, and do some reading about this class of

drugs. Not all doctors take the maxim " start low and go slow " so seriously -

our psychiatrist increased our daughter's meds too quickly in the beginning.

When I insisted on much lower doses and more spread out increases, everything

went much, much better.

Good luck - and have patience. It can take a very long time to find the right

dosage of the right medication to help your particular child, but in the end

most people do!

in Nevada

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Hi , As you might guess by now, each person reacts differently to

medications. Paxil was not a good choice for my son - it made him dangerously

hyperactive. Prozac is the SSRI that has worked best for him. I would suggest

speaking with the prescribing physician in order to obtain his/her suggestions

for how to proceed. Your son may need to try a different medication in order to

obtain better results, but that is a decision that you will need to make with

his Dr. in Southeastern PA

milissa_laurents wrote: My son is 8 years old and

was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD.

Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three

days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was

it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper,

aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He

refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be

dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not

see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And

have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work?

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Hi there, yes it can take several weeks *at a therapeautic dose* before you can

see an SSRI's full effect against the OCD symptoms. I don't have my reference

book handy, but 5 mg. Paxil is a very low dose, and wouldn't usually be expected

to reduce O's and C's. All the SSRI's, of which Paxil is one, are

antiobsessionals at relatively higher doses, and antidepressants at lower doses.

There are exceptions of course, but your family physician may not be the best

choice to oversee your son's medication. A psychiatrist (also an MD) is more

likely to be well-versed in medications and their usual dosing in a disorder

such as OCD.

OTOH your doctor may be intending to raise your son's Paxil dose very slowly,

which is a good way to avoid any side effects such as hyperness, insomnia, etc.

You may want to ask at the next appointment what the plan is for medicating your

child.

Take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

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From: milissa_laurents

My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD.

Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three

days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was

it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper,

aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He

refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be

dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not

see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And

have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work?

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Hi there, yes it can take several weeks *at a therapeautic dose* before you can

see an SSRI's full effect against the OCD symptoms. I don't have my reference

book handy, but 5 mg. Paxil is a very low dose, and wouldn't usually be expected

to reduce O's and C's. All the SSRI's, of which Paxil is one, are

antiobsessionals at relatively higher doses, and antidepressants at lower doses.

There are exceptions of course, but your family physician may not be the best

choice to oversee your son's medication. A psychiatrist (also an MD) is more

likely to be well-versed in medications and their usual dosing in a disorder

such as OCD.

OTOH your doctor may be intending to raise your son's Paxil dose very slowly,

which is a good way to avoid any side effects such as hyperness, insomnia, etc.

You may want to ask at the next appointment what the plan is for medicating your

child.

Take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: milissa_laurents

My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD.

Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three

days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was

it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper,

aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He

refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be

dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not

see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And

have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work?

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Hi there, yes it can take several weeks *at a therapeautic dose* before you can

see an SSRI's full effect against the OCD symptoms. I don't have my reference

book handy, but 5 mg. Paxil is a very low dose, and wouldn't usually be expected

to reduce O's and C's. All the SSRI's, of which Paxil is one, are

antiobsessionals at relatively higher doses, and antidepressants at lower doses.

There are exceptions of course, but your family physician may not be the best

choice to oversee your son's medication. A psychiatrist (also an MD) is more

likely to be well-versed in medications and their usual dosing in a disorder

such as OCD.

OTOH your doctor may be intending to raise your son's Paxil dose very slowly,

which is a good way to avoid any side effects such as hyperness, insomnia, etc.

You may want to ask at the next appointment what the plan is for medicating your

child.

Take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: milissa_laurents

My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one month ago as OCD.

Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil. The first three

days we seemed to notice a difference in his behavior, but that was

it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is hyper,

aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I discipline him. He

refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything that could be

dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow up and I do not

see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else experienced this? And

have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil to work?

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Hi ,

It is tough being the parent of an OCD child,

especially when it comes to discipline.

One of the books that really helped me was The

Explosive Child by Dr. Green.

We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was

bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a

tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors.

No matter what we did it did not seem to help.

Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside'

family members about our spoiled child. One therapist

assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death

and it would not change him. Here was this child who

was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was

going on and all we knew was he needed to behave.

What really helped me was reading and educating

myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family

education classes. Medication really helped our son

too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next

appointment you can write out some questions to ask

your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have

your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start

the medication out at a low dose and work up to a

therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more.

For OCD the doses are higher than for treating

depression. I am sure your Dr told you this?

Good luck with your next appointment.

Vivian in WA ST

--- milissa_laurents

wrote:

> My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one

> month ago as OCD.

> Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil.

> The first three

> days we seemed to notice a difference in his

> behavior, but that was

> it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is

> hyper,

> aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I

> discipline him. He

> refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything

> that could be

> dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow

> up and I do not

> see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else

> experienced this? And

> have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil

> to work?

>

>

>

>

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Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty and my

daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in the past. Anyway

shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits about a year ago, and she

was doing pretty good till i lost my job in dec and ins then we had to wait a

month and now i have county help for her but its like we are starting all over

again. shauna and i are haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of

me at home, and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get in my car

and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if she does its

only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her teachers and she has a foul

mouth at times she lies and sometimes seems like she dosent care about

anything, i am going to family counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart

and i dont know what to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times

and the school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic testing

Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please send advice if you

have any, thank you so much patty manzanares in calif.

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Hi ,

It is tough being the parent of an OCD child,

especially when it comes to discipline.

One of the books that really helped me was The

Explosive Child by Dr. Green.

We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was

bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a

tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors.

No matter what we did it did not seem to help.

Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside'

family members about our spoiled child. One therapist

assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death

and it would not change him. Here was this child who

was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was

going on and all we knew was he needed to behave.

What really helped me was reading and educating

myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family

education classes. Medication really helped our son

too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next

appointment you can write out some questions to ask

your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have

your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start

the medication out at a low dose and work up to a

therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more.

For OCD the doses are higher than for treating

depression. I am sure your Dr told you this?

Good luck with your next appointment.

Vivian in WA ST

--- milissa_laurents

wrote:

> My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one

> month ago as OCD.

> Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil.

> The first three

> days we seemed to notice a difference in his

> behavior, but that was

> it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is

> hyper,

> aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I

> discipline him. He

> refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything

> that could be

> dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow

> up and I do not

> see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else

> experienced this? And

> have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil

> to work?

>

>

>

>

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Hi ,

It is tough being the parent of an OCD child,

especially when it comes to discipline.

One of the books that really helped me was The

Explosive Child by Dr. Green.

We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was

bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a

tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors.

No matter what we did it did not seem to help.

Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside'

family members about our spoiled child. One therapist

assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death

and it would not change him. Here was this child who

was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was

going on and all we knew was he needed to behave.

What really helped me was reading and educating

myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family

education classes. Medication really helped our son

too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next

appointment you can write out some questions to ask

your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have

your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start

the medication out at a low dose and work up to a

therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more.

For OCD the doses are higher than for treating

depression. I am sure your Dr told you this?

Good luck with your next appointment.

Vivian in WA ST

--- milissa_laurents

wrote:

> My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one

> month ago as OCD.

> Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil.

> The first three

> days we seemed to notice a difference in his

> behavior, but that was

> it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is

> hyper,

> aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I

> discipline him. He

> refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything

> that could be

> dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow

> up and I do not

> see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else

> experienced this? And

> have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil

> to work?

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

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Re: hyperactivity

Hi ,

It is tough being the parent of an OCD child,

especially when it comes to discipline.

One of the books that really helped me was The

Explosive Child by Dr. Green.

We had the hardest time trying to sort out what was

bad behavior and what was OCD behaviors. We had many a

tearful night with rages and out of control behaviors.

No matter what we did it did not seem to help.

Unfortunatey we were getting messages from 'outside'

family members about our spoiled child. One therapist

assured us we could beat him with in an inch of death

and it would not change him. Here was this child who

was tormented with OCD, we didn't understand WHAT was

going on and all we knew was he needed to behave.

What really helped me was reading and educating

myself, this list, and the NAMI Family to Family

education classes. Medication really helped our son

too. He was also depressed. Maybe before your next

appointment you can write out some questions to ask

your sons Dr. Is there any therapist he would have

your child see that uses CBT/ERP? Usually they start

the medication out at a low dose and work up to a

therapeutic dose. This can take up to 6 weeks or more.

For OCD the doses are higher than for treating

depression. I am sure your Dr told you this?

Good luck with your next appointment.

Vivian in WA ST

--- milissa_laurents

wrote:

> My son is 8 years old and was diagnosed almost one

> month ago as OCD.

> Our family physician has prescribed 5 mg. of Paxil.

> The first three

> days we seemed to notice a difference in his

> behavior, but that was

> it. Ever since he has been exactly the same. He is

> hyper,

> aggravating, talking back, laughing at me when I

> discipline him. He

> refuses to touch the trash cans or pick up anything

> that could be

> dirty. He has an appointment Tuesday for a follow

> up and I do not

> see a difference in him yet. Has anyone else

> experienced this? And

> have they noticed that it took longer for the paxil

> to work?

>

>

>

>

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HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

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HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

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HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

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In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pattymanzanares@... writes:

> right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to

> understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so

> disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a

> maniac and she doesn't give up

Kathy, Patty

I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something

all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the

same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the

movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since

OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He

could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we

were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or

salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat

in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this

before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken

away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he

mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed

time is 9:00).

Any one have any other suggestions

Tammy

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In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pattymanzanares@... writes:

> right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to

> understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so

> disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a

> maniac and she doesn't give up

Kathy, Patty

I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something

all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the

same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the

movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since

OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He

could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we

were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or

salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat

in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this

before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken

away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he

mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed

time is 9:00).

Any one have any other suggestions

Tammy

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In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pattymanzanares@... writes:

> right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to

> understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so

> disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a

> maniac and she doesn't give up

Kathy, Patty

I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something

all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the

same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the

movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since

OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He

could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we

were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or

salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat

in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this

before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken

away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he

mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed

time is 9:00).

Any one have any other suggestions

Tammy

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Kathy, Hi you are such a sweet ladt and i do appreciate your emails.

I just wish i had a friend or someone i could talk to at home, and right now my

patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to understand all this,

sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so disrespectful to me and when she

has to hear no for an answer, shes a maniac and she doesn't give up till she

drives me out of the house, and thats what i do i get in my car and leave for

about a half hr, usually i go to church and pray for strength but sometimes my

prayers arent answered. sometimes i feel i am looseing it. my life is one big

circle of confuseion and has been for 4 yrs. thanks for being there for me

love Patty in calif.

Re: hyperactivity

HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

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Kathy, Hi you are such a sweet ladt and i do appreciate your emails.

I just wish i had a friend or someone i could talk to at home, and right now my

patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to understand all this,

sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so disrespectful to me and when she

has to hear no for an answer, shes a maniac and she doesn't give up till she

drives me out of the house, and thats what i do i get in my car and leave for

about a half hr, usually i go to church and pray for strength but sometimes my

prayers arent answered. sometimes i feel i am looseing it. my life is one big

circle of confuseion and has been for 4 yrs. thanks for being there for me

love Patty in calif.

Re: hyperactivity

HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan

Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy

Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy ,

Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be

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Kathy, Hi you are such a sweet ladt and i do appreciate your emails.

I just wish i had a friend or someone i could talk to at home, and right now my

patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to understand all this,

sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so disrespectful to me and when she

has to hear no for an answer, shes a maniac and she doesn't give up till she

drives me out of the house, and thats what i do i get in my car and leave for

about a half hr, usually i go to church and pray for strength but sometimes my

prayers arent answered. sometimes i feel i am looseing it. my life is one big

circle of confuseion and has been for 4 yrs. thanks for being there for me

love Patty in calif.

Re: hyperactivity

HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan

Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy

Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy ,

Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be

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HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan

Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy

Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy ,

Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be

addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or

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Re: hyperactivity

HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan

Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy

Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy ,

Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be

addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or

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HI Patty:

Hugs to you. When things get out of hand physically it really brings

home the challenge of mental illness to a family. Please know our

family has dealt with this too.

A hard lesson we had to learn is that OCD is so tough of a problem

that it cannot be solved by the family alone, no matter how much

love, determination and patience exist. Professional help is

essential IMO.

I hope you can find some supportive therapy for yourself as you go

through this transition with your job loss and its impact on your

family. Please have a lot of hope that these social issues can

resolve. They just take a lot longer and even more work than the OCD

issues, at least if our family's experience is anything to go by.

When Steve was getting better from OCD, he had lots of social issues

and I was very worried about his future and his ability to resume

social interactions with anything close to his former social skills.

IT took a long time and lots of patience, modelling and shaping, but

I received a beautiful compliment about his social skills a couple of

days ago. My massage therapist, who was treating him when he was

very sick, noted how well he is doing now. She had tears in her eyes

while she marvelled at how well he is doing and how nicely he is

maturing - a surprising compliment for a teen of 15! Love, patience

and determination can achieve so much, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

> Dear Vivian, i am haveing a real hard time also, my name is patty

and my daughter is 12yrs old , i am sure you have written me back in

the past. Anyway shauna was diagnost with o c d and psychotic traits

about a year ago, and she was doing pretty good till i lost my job in

dec and ins then we had to wait a month and now i have county help

for her but its like we are starting all over again. shauna and i are

haveing a real hard time i feel she has total control of me at home,

and when i have slapped her she will slap me back , and when i get

upset at her she will start yelling and freaking out. now i just get

in my car and leave for 30 min or so, thats a little better.

> my main concern is shauna does not get along with any kids and if

she does its only for a short time, she is disrespectful to her

teachers and she has a foul mouth at times she lies and sometimes

seems like she dosent care about anything, i am going to family

counceling but its so slow, I am falling apart and i dont know what

to do anymore, she has been suspended from school 3 times and the

school arent going to take much more, she has taken the academic

testing Iep and she actually did pretty good so i dont know, please

send advice if you have any, thank you so much patty manzanares

in calif.

Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan

Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Kathy

Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy ,

Vivian Stembridge, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be

addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... or

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Tammy and Patty, Keep in mind that even though I am a moderator on this list, I

am only a parent and I share from my own experiences only. Often when my 8 1/2

yr. old OCD/AD/HD son is symptomatic..be it AD/HD, OCD related or the anxiety

that comes from the complications of these disorders, he will usually behave in

the ways you both have described. When he is in the heightened state of alert

that his disabilities cause, his perceptions of the world around him can become

skewed and this in turn increases his anxiety level to the point of his becoming

hyperactive and at times threatening and if pushed too far, violent. Factor in

his age and the increase in rebelliousness that that brings and sometimes we

don't have such a good scenario here, or at school. School is where most of the

problems arise for Tommy as that is where he experiences the most anxiety. When

we have behavior that does not respond to consequences, then that is the time to

LOUDLY contact his doctors. It is my belief that no parent should suffer harm

because of a child's disability if symtoms can be controlled by therapy and/or

medication. Sometimes, just backing away from my son will give him the space to

work through his difficulties and allow time for him to shift the " gears " in his

brain, but most often it takes a little bit of trial and error on my part before

I can determine without a doubt that he is having symptoms, or just being a kid.

Sincerely, in Southeastern PA

Tmmy1212@... wrote: In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

pattymanzanares@... writes:

> right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to

> understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so

> disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a

> maniac and she doesn't give up

Kathy, Patty

I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something

all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the

same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the

movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since

OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He

could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we

were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or

salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat

in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this

before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken

away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he

mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed

time is 9:00).

Any one have any other suggestions

Tammy

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Tammy and Patty, Keep in mind that even though I am a moderator on this list, I

am only a parent and I share from my own experiences only. Often when my 8 1/2

yr. old OCD/AD/HD son is symptomatic..be it AD/HD, OCD related or the anxiety

that comes from the complications of these disorders, he will usually behave in

the ways you both have described. When he is in the heightened state of alert

that his disabilities cause, his perceptions of the world around him can become

skewed and this in turn increases his anxiety level to the point of his becoming

hyperactive and at times threatening and if pushed too far, violent. Factor in

his age and the increase in rebelliousness that that brings and sometimes we

don't have such a good scenario here, or at school. School is where most of the

problems arise for Tommy as that is where he experiences the most anxiety. When

we have behavior that does not respond to consequences, then that is the time to

LOUDLY contact his doctors. It is my belief that no parent should suffer harm

because of a child's disability if symtoms can be controlled by therapy and/or

medication. Sometimes, just backing away from my son will give him the space to

work through his difficulties and allow time for him to shift the " gears " in his

brain, but most often it takes a little bit of trial and error on my part before

I can determine without a doubt that he is having symptoms, or just being a kid.

Sincerely, in Southeastern PA

Tmmy1212@... wrote: In a message dated 2/19/02 8:02:51 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

pattymanzanares@... writes:

> right now my patience and love are very short, its soooo hard for me to

> understand all this, sometimes i just want to slap her, she is so

> disrespectful to me and when she has to hear no for an answer, shes a

> maniac and she doesn't give up

Kathy, Patty

I am going to chime in here. My son is the same way lately. Is this something

all or most kids with OCD deal with? I can relate to you Patty. I feel the

same way about my son. This weekend he just would not give up. We went to the

movies and out to dinner. Through the movie he kept asking questions (since

OCD he does this) about things he should know. At dinner he just was rude. He

could not sit and wait for his meal. He did not order salad or soup so we

were eating and he was not. He was asked several times if he wanted soup or

salad he said no. After his food did come he devoured it like he did not eat

in a week. We kept telling him to slow down. I never seen him like this

before. When we got home he got his playstation, computer and gameboy taken

away. He was sent to his room for 2 hours. When he was let out of his room he

mouthed off and was sent to bed for the night (it was 7:00, his normal bed

time is 9:00).

Any one have any other suggestions

Tammy

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