Re: Sensory issue or yeast overgrowth issue?

[Guest guest]

Could be sensory overload. My son used to be like this. Sensory integration

therapy has helped alot.

Karla

>

> My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the morning

at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon when he

has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping, flapping

his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast overgrowth

before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got rash and he

will not get better until I stopped GSE.

>

> After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his over-sensory

issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

>

> Any comments are most welcomed!!

>

> Thanks,

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

If it is something that happens mostly in groups of people, it may be partly due

to pheromones. I really don't know what to suggest to treat it.

The other thing that comes to mind is that I have a compromised immune system

and I get sick from being in a group setting. So I can fairly quickly go from

calm and rational to sounding hyper. I can tell I get feverish and sick and the

more I deteriorate, the harder it is for me to " behave " . This has improved with

working on killing off infection generally and generally shoring up my immune

system.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

> >

> > My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the

morning at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon

when he has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping,

flapping his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast

overgrowth before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got

rash and he will not get better until I stopped GSE.

> >

> > After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his

over-sensory issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

> >

> > Any comments are most welcomed!!

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bob

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hadnt thought of phermones. Something to look into.

Two years ago, my son couldnt sit in a school auditorium or participate in in a

class play for parents without losing it. Too much noise and other input for

him to handle. Sinse we started the auditory therapy, other sensory therapies,

and chelation, he handles the crowds much better and removes himself from the

situation when its gets to be too much. Therapy is now periodic instead of

daily.

Karla

> > >

> > > My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the

morning at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon

when he has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping,

flapping his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast

overgrowth before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got

rash and he will not get better until I stopped GSE.

> > >

> > > After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his

over-sensory issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

> > >

> > > Any comments are most welcomed!!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Bob

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was bedridden at one point and mostly housebound for a long time, during which

time I spent a lot of time online. Then I got a job at a large company. It was

quite a shock to interact with people in person and I find it is a lot harder to

remain calm and not get sucked into their emotional stuff. Putting physical

distance between me and them helps some. So does being drug free, not hopped up

on caffeine, not suffering blood sugar highs and lows, etc.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

>

> I hadnt thought of phermones. Something to look into.

>

> Two years ago, my son couldnt sit in a school auditorium or participate in in

a class play for parents without losing it. Too much noise and other input for

him to handle. Sinse we started the auditory therapy, other sensory therapies,

and chelation, he handles the crowds much better and removes himself from the

situation when its gets to be too much. Therapy is now periodic instead of

daily.

>

> Karla

>

[Guest guest]

I just wrote a blog entry about this very topic, today actually. How ironic.

At one point, my son was full of sensory symptoms and over-stimulation was a

problem, but not any longer. When originally starting GSE, I too thought he

didn't tolerate it, when in fact, it turned out that what we were experiencing

was severe die off (ie - rashes, increase in symptoms, etc) which didn't let up

until I continued to increase the GSE to get past the overgrowth issue. The

measly doses I was giving was barely touching the problem, so we had to just

drive past the die off and on the other side....we have a child free of sensory

processing disorder! Our dose now is significantly higher than where we started

out and it's finally where we see an even keel. Check out my blog post on the

topic!

http://grayson-youarewhatyoueat.blogspot.com/2011/01/neutraceuticals-for-yeast-b\

acteria.html

So, do I think the sensory is yeast related....YES!

>

> My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the morning

at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon when he

has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping, flapping

his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast overgrowth

before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got rash and he

will not get better until I stopped GSE.

>

> After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his over-sensory

issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

>

> Any comments are most welcomed!!

>

> Thanks,

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

My friend explained it to me like this, healthy people have a very high

threshold for anxiety but children like ours already have a baseline that is

well above that of healthy people.

A lot of things can be affecting the baseline of the threshold, so getting rid

of them is the key. People do this by chelating, removing foods, environmental

changes to lessen stress, using different cleaning products, etc. It is

something that is done by trial and error.

The higher the threshold, the more a person can take before they explode (with

exaggerated emotions).

This is an easy way to explain it that does not really biologically explain it

>

> My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the morning

at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon when he

has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping, flapping

his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast overgrowth

before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got rash and he

will not get better until I stopped GSE.

>

> After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his over-sensory

issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

>

> Any comments are most welcomed!!

>

> Thanks,

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter could be calm all day but get around a group of kids and get stimmy

and giddy. At first, I put headphones on her thinking it was the noise but she

still stood there flapping. I increased yeast protocol, she still flapped. We

were already taking ACE for anxiety ........... then the lightbulb came on. The

next she got excited around a group of kids, I would go up to them, explain what

was happening and everytime, they would play with her; sometimes for 5 minutes,

sometimes for 30 minutes. It's been about a year and she still flaps sometimes

but it's quick and she will more than likely to participate with kids on her

own. If she doesn't understand what's going on, she goes back to the " border " . I

can keep her interested when she is with me but in school, it's hard.

HTH

S

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:11 PM, " wiersmak " <wiersmak@...> wrote:

> I hadnt thought of phermones. Something to look into.

>

> Two years ago, my son couldnt sit in a school auditorium or participate in in

a class play for parents without losing it. Too much noise and other input for

him to handle. Sinse we started the auditory therapy, other sensory therapies,

and chelation, he handles the crowds much better and removes himself from the

situation when its gets to be too much. Therapy is now periodic instead of

daily.

>

> Karla

>

>

> > > >

> > > > My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the

morning at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon

when he has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping,

flapping his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast

overgrowth before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got

rash and he will not get better until I stopped GSE.

> > > >

> > > > After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his

over-sensory issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

> > > >

> > > > Any comments are most welcomed!!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Bob

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I loved your response regarding sensory issues, yeast and GSE. I'm learning

to read the signs in my son. We just began AC, but I am amazed at the

difference a few supps have made. The GSE has reduced " stimming " in him by

%80, and giving him ACE has totally obliterated asthma symptoms thus far.

Yesterday was the fist day post round one, and I saw the stimming and verbal

stims and some hyperactivity come back. I upped his GSE a little and gave

it as a second dose in the afternoon. I am having to get used to how

" quiet " he can be, but he is focusing on his " projects " such as making news

and weather media videos and working on In Design when is he not in class

with home school or in one of his therapy sessions.

My son would always get sick in the public school setting. He would develop

a respiratory infection with a fever about every two to three weeks. I am

happy to be ablet o home school him this year not only to work and watch him

making great gains academically but also health wise.

A lot of people just do not understand the sensory issues. I tried to tell

people that even someone wearing perfume could cause the hyper activity,

stimming, and anxiety. He became very sensitive to sound again after doing

IV chelation, but I see that is better too.

I know when I was a child, I could not stand to be in a closed up car with

my mother as she drenches herself in perfume. I would feel physically

sick! I still try to explain that to her today, but they just don't

understand.

As you upped the GSE, how much did you increase the dose? How long did you

wait between increases? Now, I am not sure whether he needs more GSE or if

what we are seeing and hearing is a die off reaction.

[Guest guest]

I always had trouble with that, knowing which symptoms were die off and which

were requiring more of a dose. I still do sometimes! Generally, if just after

increasing the dose you see a worsening of symptoms, chances are that is die

off. If you are steady at a dose that you have been on for a while, increase

it. I didn't even really intend to increase as much as I have, but what I found

happening is that I would increase during a chelation round to address increased

yeast and every time I tried to reduce after the round, symptoms would

resurface, so I would stay there...the next round, same thing. Now we are at

about 250mg of GSE (two tablets of 125mg each) three times a day and all I do is

add 3-5 10mg drops when we are on chelation and that is enough to keep him from

going too far off the deep end. I haven't had to increase anymore than this in

probably 8 weeks. He now comes off chelation completely normal. We used to

have SUCH a mess on our hands, yeasty, stimmy, sensory oriented, OCD

post-chelation. I noticed that with this round, he didn't even bloat like he

usually does either! It could be the higher GSE doses or the number of rounds

(45) under our belt, (or the glyconutrients we started last week) but either

way, I am impressed with the progress! He's still moody on round, but nothing

like it used to be and I am guessing that is his adrenals. I just can't find

ANYTHING that works on his adrenals. ACE makes him itch and ashwagandha didn't

seem to do much of anything for him. Another thing that helped bring much more

consistent days was going on the LOD (low oxalate diet).

>

> ,

>

> I loved your response regarding sensory issues, yeast and GSE. I'm learning

> to read the signs in my son. We just began AC, but I am amazed at the

> difference a few supps have made. The GSE has reduced " stimming " in him by

> %80, and giving him ACE has totally obliterated asthma symptoms thus far.

>

> Yesterday was the fist day post round one, and I saw the stimming and verbal

> stims and some hyperactivity come back. I upped his GSE a little and gave

> it as a second dose in the afternoon. I am having to get used to how

> " quiet " he can be, but he is focusing on his " projects " such as making news

> and weather media videos and working on In Design when is he not in class

> with home school or in one of his therapy sessions.

>

> My son would always get sick in the public school setting. He would develop

> a respiratory infection with a fever about every two to three weeks. I am

> happy to be ablet o home school him this year not only to work and watch him

> making great gains academically but also health wise.

>

> A lot of people just do not understand the sensory issues. I tried to tell

> people that even someone wearing perfume could cause the hyper activity,

> stimming, and anxiety. He became very sensitive to sound again after doing

> IV chelation, but I see that is better too.

>

> I know when I was a child, I could not stand to be in a closed up car with

> my mother as she drenches herself in perfume. I would feel physically

> sick! I still try to explain that to her today, but they just don't

> understand.

>

> As you upped the GSE, how much did you increase the dose? How long did you

> wait between increases? Now, I am not sure whether he needs more GSE or if

> what we are seeing and hearing is a die off reaction.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very nice explanation!

I agree with you that they are related to each other to some extent... but I

doubt that GSE alone will fix this problem. Did you do chelation at the same

time on your kid?Any side effects for using high-dose GSE e.g. bacteria/virus

overgrowth?

BTW, how do you treat the itchy rashes which definitely affect kids' sleeping at

night, a big headache for us.

Thanks!

> >

> > My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the

morning at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon

when he has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping,

flapping his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast

overgrowth before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got

rash and he will not get better until I stopped GSE.

> >

> > After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his

over-sensory issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

> >

> > Any comments are most welcomed!!

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bob

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We are doing the Andy Cutler protocol for chelation. We are going onto rounds

46 with our 5 year old and 21 with our 2 year old. We have seen impressive

gains, but it's a two steps forward, one back sort of process. I definitely

think it's THE only way to get to the bottom of the problems though. All the

other stuff, the GSE, OLE, OoO, the diets, the supplements....they all just

maintain our kids until we fix the problem, and that is heavy metal toxicity!

I don't increase or use GSE without OLE and OoO to address yeast, bacteria AND

viruses all at the same time. If you check out my blog link

(http://grayson-youarewhatyoueat.blogspot.com/2011/01/neutraceuticals-for-yeast-\

bacteria.html) I explain this relationship in more detail. I also discuss our

dosing more too.

When my older son gets itchy, we use epsom salt baths, if that isn't enough, you

can add baking soda too. But usually when he gets itchy, it's yeast related, so

increasing the yeast protocol (along with the anti-bacterial) is a must. Now we

mostly get the itching as a die off sign and it only lasts one night. In the

past, when our yeast protocol wasn't high enough, we would see a LOT of itching,

full body itching! Not so much anymore.

> > >

> > > My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the

morning at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon

when he has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping,

flapping his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast

overgrowth before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got

rash and he will not get better until I stopped GSE.

> > >

> > > After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his

over-sensory issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

> > >

> > > Any comments are most welcomed!!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Bob

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the detailed explanation!

I will add GSE back and increase the amount very slowly.

Instead of using anti-bacteria, I may prefer to add good bacteria instead

(probiotics).

Do you think MgSO4 cream and extra Mg will do the same thing as epsom salt bath?

Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the

morning at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon

when he has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping,

flapping his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast

overgrowth before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got

rash and he will not get better until I stopped GSE.

> > > >

> > > > After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his

over-sensory issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

> > > >

> > > > Any comments are most welcomed!!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Bob

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am not very familiar with the various different forms of magnesium, but I have

heard that epsom salt baths are unique in the type of magnesium that it is and

how it effects the sulfation pathways. I'm not sure how the other forms of

magnesium effect that. I'm sure you can search the forum for more on that.

We use heavy duty probiotics (almost 400billion CFUs using custom probiotics and

Sacc. but it's never enough. If the bad bacteria is really entrenched, you

may need something stronger to fight the battle. I hope I am wrong, but if

while increasing the GSE you begin to see aggression, defiance, anger, OCD,

rage, head banging, or any other new symptoms, consider this possibility. When

you fight yeast, bacteria tends to increase. Good luck!

> > > > >

> > > > > My son is 5yr old ASD kid. Usually he is quiet and concentrated in the

morning at school during the ABA session (one to one), however, in the afternoon

when he has a lot of kids around him, he became kind of hyperactive, jumping,

flapping his hands and laughing a lot. I thought it was due to his yeast

overgrowth before. So I gave GSE to him, however, he became more hyper and got

rash and he will not get better until I stopped GSE.

> > > > >

> > > > > After second thought, now I more prefer to think it's due to his

over-sensory issue and his yeast issue is not the real culprit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any comments are most welcomed!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Bob

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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