Guest guest Posted September 29, 1999 Report Share Posted September 29, 1999 Play it safe and go with false teeth. Luck, JR I'd like to eventually remove all the amalgam fillings from my mouth as a preventive measure. I know Mercury in the amalgam is toxic but I've heard that composites, porcelain, ceramics are not great either. What is the most non-toxic, biocompatible option for replacement? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 jrte-@... (jerry rollins) wrote: original article:cures for cancer/?start=2266 > Play it safe and go with false teeth. Luck, JR > > not an option, JR, I'm 33 y.o. > > I'd like to eventually remove all the amalgam fillings from my mouth as > a preventive measure. I know Mercury in the amalgam is toxic but I've > heard that composites, porcelain, ceramics are not great either. What > is the most non-toxic, biocompatible option for replacement? Any > suggestions would be most appreciated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 M- Sorry to hear that the removal did not work for you. I never had the DMPS chelation as my dentist still does not believe that a root canal stuffed with silver filling has the ability to leech. I was working with a chiropractor at the time. I did alot of sauna treatments for detox and he gave me herbs that pass the blood-brain barrier to remove the mercury from the brain tissue. At the time, I was not aware that PWC's are glutathione deficient and have a more difficult time to detox. Hope you've found something else that works for you. Diane - NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 >From: droma@... >At the time, I was not aware that PWC's are glutathione >deficient and have a more difficult time to detox. Hope >you've found something else that works for you. From Mark Konlee's site http://www.execpc.com/~keephope/report19.html begin excerpt One example was a lady with CFIDS and severe multiple chemical sensitivity plus severe sensitivity to electromagnetic fields. ............ The lady also reports she has blood stickiness and has also tested for high levels of heavy metals (mercury and lead). She will need a lot of pectin (5 to 10 grams daily) or about 3 cups of applesauce or 6 apples daily to effectively remove the heavy metals. Both citrus and apple pectin in powder form are sold in health food stores and in some grocery stores. PECTIN - THE FIBER THAT REMOVES HEAVY METALS AND TOXINS. Dr. Balch reports that pectin is good for diabetics, removes toxins and heavy metals, lowers cholesterol and reduces the risk of gallstones. Dr. Balch reports that pectin is found in apples, bananas, the rinds of citrus fruits (lemons, oranges and grapefruit), carrots, beets, cabbage and okra. About one year ago, I talked to a former drug addict who told me he could remove all the street drugs he ingested by drinking a package of liquid pectin he would buy at the local grocery store. He would mix it with water and drink the whole thing at once. He said that “in about 2 hours, all the drugs in his blood were gone.” He told me this included everything from marijuana to heroin to cocaine. end of excerpt Perhaps this would help. I started the whole lemon/olive oil but was detoxing too fast. Marty Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2000 Report Share Posted January 29, 2000 Marty: Thanks for the info. Diane - NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 In a message dated 2/6/01 4:35:21 PM Central Standard Time, ann.williams@... writes: << so I made an executive decision not to let him anywhere near my mouth >> Wise move, Ann! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 > Is this reasonable? What have others paid? Thanks!! That's a lot of money, Tracey!! I'm not sure what the conversion rate is, but I was quoted £50 (UK) per tooth over here recently. BUT, this was by a dentist who dismissed mercury toxicity, rolled his eyes at me when I asked to have it done and droned on about how there was no evidence for it being dangerous, so I made an executive decision not to let him anywhere near my mouth under any circumstances, and to wait until I found one who'd take the mercury issue seriously (and who'll probably charge three times as much!). Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 I didn't have this done but I would get a second or third estimate. Perhaps you dentist gave you an outrageous cost per tooth to discourage you from getting this done. LIZ Amalgam removal Has anyone had this done? I just got a quote (via phone) from a highly recommended dentist in my area who follows all the recommended protocols for amalgam removal...$250 to $1000 per tooth! I have 16 teeth with amalgams, so it will take a while to save up for this. Is this reasonable? What have others paid? Thanks!! Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 On what basis have you determined you need to remove your amalgam fillings? Having your amalgams removed should only be done if you are sure they are causing a problem because the exposure to mercury during the removal process could actually cause a problem when there was none before, especially if done by a dentist who does not specialize in this proceedure. DO NOT under any circumstances allow this to be done by a dentist who does not have years of experience at amalgam removal. A dentist who scoffs at the idea of amalgam removal most assuredly does not have the experience. Hal Huggins DDS is the elder statesman of amalgam removal, and I would definitely go to a dentist that is certified by him in the correct procedures and protocols. http://www.hugnet.com/ (I am not affiliated with Hal Huggins in any way) KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 Hi Rhonda, I had mine done but I never knew of any chelation type program. Could you please clue me in. Thanks much for your help. Many Blessings, Deb Les & Deborah Patton Nikken Independent Distributors weshine4Him@... www.5pillars.com/wepattons Creating Balance for a Lifetime amalgam removal > Hi everyone, > > Just letting you know I had my amalgams replaced today. Everything went > well and the dentist was excellent! I think my mercury absorption was > pretty minimal. Wish me luck on the chelating now! : ) > > ttyl, > Rhonda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 I had the last 5 amalgams taken out of me a week ago Tuesday. I had to crash on the couch for about 3 hours that evening, but I was fine the next day. My Naturopathic Dr, was upset with me doing that many at once, but I was fine. She had given me some homeopathic dental clean up drops to take along with vitiamn C. I thought it was cilantro, but she said No Way. Cilantro is a direct carrier to the brain and can pick up mercury and take it to the brain and find another pollutant in the brain and leave the cilantro and take out something else. Also she told me not to take the coral calcium at this time, maybe later. She went on to tell me that calcium alone will not help the bones as you might think. Magnesium is more important to the body. A study was done with post menopausal women and the ones that received more calcium had 300% more fractures that those who didn't. I can't really debate this with anyone here, but only to say our bodies are very complicated to say the least!! Nuff said. LL & B Raji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 > Hi Rhonda, > I had mine done but I never knew of any chelation type program. Could > you please clue me in. Thanks much for your help. > Many Blessings, > Deb Apparently there are a few different ways to chelate. Some use the chemicals like DMSA or DMPS to chelate/remove/detox mercury from the body. There are also natural chelators like chlorella and cilantro. If you do a search on the net for mercury detox or " mercury " and " chelate " you will find lots and lots of info about the various protocols for removing mercury from the body. hth, Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 > I had the last 5 amalgams taken out of me a week ago Tuesday. I had > to crash on the couch for about 3 hours that evening, but I was fine > the next day. My Naturopathic Dr, was upset with me doing that many > at once, but I was fine. That is alot to have out at once! I only had my remaining 2 out and I felt the same as you described last night, and today still feel kind of achey like flu symptoms. She had given me some homeopathic dental > clean up drops to take along with vitiamn C. I thought it was > cilantro, but she said No Way. Cilantro is a direct carrier to the > brain and can pick up mercury and take it to the brain and find > another pollutant in the brain and leave the cilantro and take out > something else. I think this is debatable. There have been others that claimed to have chelated with cilantro and had it work successfully for them. The way I see it, it's better to try one of these natural chelators than to just leave the mercury free in your body to cause more and more damage. Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Hi Ragi, The coral that I carry has magnesium in it. It is confusing, because they call it coral calcium when it really should be called coral or coral minerals. It has calcium AND magnesium and all the trace minerals. Some people do supplement with extra mag orotate but most people don't. Just for clarity, And good job on the amalgam removal. Glad it went well. Donna -----Original Message----- I had the last 5 amalgams taken out of me a week ago Tuesday. I had to crash on the couch for about 3 hours that evening, but I was fine the next day. My Naturopathic Dr, was upset with me doing that many at once, but I was fine. She had given me some homeopathic dental clean up drops to take along with vitiamn C. I thought it was cilantro, but she said No Way. Cilantro is a direct carrier to the brain and can pick up mercury and take it to the brain and find another pollutant in the brain and leave the cilantro and take out something else. Also she told me not to take the coral calcium at this time, maybe later. She went on to tell me that calcium alone will not help the bones as you might think. Magnesium is more important to the body. A study was done with post menopausal women and the ones that received more calcium had 300% more fractures that those who didn't. I can't really debate this with anyone here, but only to say our bodies are very complicated to say the least!! Nuff said. LL & B Raji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Steve, I went to Dr. Villareal in Woodland Hills, CA (818) 716-6722. He used a rubber dam to keep the crud from going down my throat but I didn't get an oxygen mask. I regret that because after the 2nd of 2 procedures I was in a toxic fog. I don't know if that was a factor but I would insist on one. Make sure amalgams are not taken out all at once but preferably in quadrants, if you have a lot of them. If you don't live in SoCal I'm sure an Internet search would provide several " holistic " dentists that probably use the proper procedures. I remember reading a book by Huggins, DDS in Colorado, who is apparently quite the expert in this field. Dr. Cheney recommended someone in Penn. for cavatations but I don't recall her name. I never followed up but I'll see if I can find her name, etc. Chris >From: " Bullock " <reviewappraiser@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Re: Cheney mercury detox >Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:49:43 -0700 > > > > >Where did you go to get your amalgams replaced? Can you recommend a >dentist >that takes all precautions to remove them safely? Steve B. > > >From: " Van Steenbergen " <vanhornplayer@...> > >Reply- > >jillian_harrison@..., > >Subject: Re: Cheney mercury detox > >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:55:02 -0700 > > > >Dear Jillian, > > > >I got through one bottle of Metal-Free in just over 3 months, averaging >2-4 > >sprays/day. I'm hoping 2 bottles will do the job, but you know about >best > >laid plans, etc. > > > >I'll pass on some of the other info I got from Dr. Cheney in June another > >day. I think we are in similar situations re negative results for >viruses > >and other pathogens. I think toxicity is a major compontent of my > >condition. I did test positive for the coag test and have finished 90 >days > >of Heparin therapy. > > > >Sincerely, Chris > > > > > > >From: " J on " <jillian_harrison@...> > > >vanhornplayer@... > > >Subject: Re: Cheney mercury detox > > >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:51:04 -0700 > > > > > >Dear Chris: > > >Thanks so much for your prompt reply which was so interesting to me. > > >My own mercury level dropped from 120 to 10 which is still outside the > > >normal level at 0 - 3 on D.Data urine test, and arsenic for some reason > > >went from 77 to 18 to 81 now, still within normal range. I am still a > >bit > > >elevated on lead and nickel. I had about 15 dmps IVs over a couple >of > > >years and was considering dmsa orally, but I will take Cheneys method > > >instead. Thanks so much for the information. If you remember later, >I > > >would like to know how successful it is in ridding your body of arsenic > >and > > >mercury., and I will let you know too. I wonder how long to do it for. > > >There has been some controversy about using ALA in detoxing the mercury > >on > > >the group, the opinion was it might hinder the excretion. > > >If you would like to share what other treatments Cheney put you on, I > >would > > >be most interested. I have tested negative for some viruses and > >bacteria > > >so far and am considering the coag test next but its a bit expensive > >from > > >Canada. I am wondering if the mercury has been my main problem >overall. > > >I am just starting on minocylcine to clear any bugs I may have anyway., > >and > > >am wondering about a Transfer Factor. > > >Am looking forward to Cheneys video. > > >Thanks again, > > >Jillian in Vancouver > > > > > > > > >>From: " Van Steenbergen " <vanhornplayer@...> > > >>jillian_harrison@..., > > >>Subject: Cheney mercury detox > > >>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:32:05 -0700 > > >> > > >>Dear Jullian, > > >> > > >>The cornerstone of Dr. Cheney's Hg detox protocol is Metal-Free (1-8 > > >>sprays/day, as tolerated, 4-5 days/week). He was really quite excited > > >>about it when I saw him in June. I had a history of Hg toxicity and > > >>adverse reactions to pharmaceutical chelation, which in itself shows > > >>sensitivity to Hg. I had used DMPS, DMSA and Chemet previously, with > > >>mixed results. Dr. Cheney ordered fecal metal and hair analysis from > > >>Doctors Data, (630) 377-8139, www.doctorsdata.com. I was was within >the > > >>normal range by this point but he thought I am sensitive to Hg at any > > >>level. External toxins, such as heavy metals, also inhibit the > > >>mitacondria's ability to create energy, as he told me. > > >> > > >>In an interesting side note, I tested high normal for arsenic (which > > >>creates fatigue in its own right). I compared heavy metal test >results > > >>shortly after I had to move home and from Dr. Cheney in June. Arsenic > >had > > >>risen alot in 1 1/2 years. I traced it to the pressure treated lumber >I > > >>had put in my Mom's garden as borders years ago. > > >> > > >>Metal-Free is a microfermented green algae cell wall extract that acts > >as > > >>a powerful mercury chelator. (It chelates other heavy metals >too.)Other > > >>chelators bind to mercury but lose that connection 40-60% of the time > > >>before the mercury is excreted. That creates additional exposure to, > >and > > >>problems from, mercury. Apparently, Metal-Free’s success rate is >close > > >>to 100%. See www.metal-free.com. However, it should not be used >unless > > >>dental amalgams have been removed. I have seen Bioray2000.com's > >chelator > > >>mentioned on this site but have no point of reference to it and > > >>Metal-Free. Dr. Cheney did not mention it. > > >> > > >>He stated that even after I test negative for Hg in the fecal metals > >test > > >>there might be Hg remaining. But he said it would do more harm than > >good > > >>to pull it all out aggressively. > > >> > > >>Liquid selenium (1/2 tsp/ day, swish and gargle), zinc picolinate (25 > > >>mg/day) and undenatured whey protein concentrate were recommended > >during > > >>the detox. Previously, when he had me use German chlorella as a > >chelator > > >>he also recommended Alpha Lipoic Acid (300 mg/day) to protect the body > >and > > >>brain, MSM, garlic tablets (1-2/day) and Vitamin C buffered powder >(1/2 > > >>tsp/2xday). > > >> > > >>Some of the brands he recommends are listed below. Most all can be > > >>purchased at NEEDS (800 634-1380, www.needs4you.com), which I find to > > >>consistently have low prices. The product codes are for NEEDS. > > >> > > >>1. Sodium Selinite Liquid, 8oz, $7.55, NUT-5066, ½ tsp daily, swish >and > > >>gargle twice, swallow > > >>2. Zinc Picolinate, (60), 25mg, $8.55, NUT-5215, 1 between meals > > >>3. Immune Pro Rx, 300g, $32.95, WPS-5000, Up to 5g on empty stomach, > >1-2 > > >>times/day as tolerated > > >>4. Alpha Lipoic Acid, (60), 100mg, Pure Encapsulations, 1 w/each meal > > >>5. Metal-Free, (30 ml), $169.00, > > >>www.longevityplus.com.net/Metal-Free.html, (800) 580-7587. Days 1-3: >1 > > >>spray sublingually/day on empty stomach, hold 3 minutes. Next 3 days: > >4 > > >>sprays s.l./day. Next 3 days: 8 sprays s.l./day. Take 4-5 >days/week. > > >>Beware of energy relapse at any dose. Stay at, or reduce to, >individual > > >>tolerated dose. > > >> > > >>Good luck, Chris > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: " J on " <jillian_harrison@...> > > >>>vanhornplayer@... > > >>>Subject: mercury detox > > >>>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:47:06 -0700 > > >>> > > >>>Hi, > > >>>would you be kind enough to share with me what the mercury detox > >protocol > > >>>is from Cheney? > > >>>I had very high mercury, have had dmps IVs for chelating it and am >now > > >>>down to getting the dregs out still. > > >>>Thanks, > > >>>Jillian > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with >each > >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any >treatment > >discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Could it be ? She is Steve ' (also a dentist) ex-wife and she is in Pennsylvania. Donna in NC Re: Re: amalgam removal > Steve, > > Dr. Cheney recommended someone in Penn. for cavatations but I don't recall > her name. I never followed up but I'll see if I can find her name, etc. > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Dear Donna, No. That is not the name. I recall she was in Scranton. Blanche ..., I think. I'll try to locate it in my messy Cheney file, some of which has been lent out. Chris >Could it be ? She is Steve ' (also a dentist) ex-wife and >she is in Pennsylvania. >Donna in NC > > Re: Re: amalgam >removal > > > > Steve, > > > > Dr. Cheney recommended someone in Penn. for cavatations but I don't >recall > > her name. I never followed up but I'll see if I can find her name, etc. > > > > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Accurate for January 1999 ---- Dr. Blanche D. Grube 810 Green Ridge Street Scranton, Pa. 18059 Phone: 717-343-1500 Fax: 717-343-1551 Re: Re: amalgam removal >Dear Donna, >No. That is not the name. I recall she was in Scranton. Blanche ..., I >think. I'll try to locate it in my messy Cheney file, some of which has >been lent out. > >Chris >>Could it be ? She is Steve ' (also a dentist) ex-wife and >>she is in Pennsylvania. >>Donna in NC >> >> Re: Re: amalgam >>removal >> > Steve, >> > Dr. Cheney recommended someone in Penn. for cavatations but I don't >>recall her name. I never followed up but I'll see if I can find her name, etc. >> > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Directory Assistance from Scranton, Pa. New Phone # 570-343-1564 Address not confirmed. >Accurate for January 1999 ---- >Dr. Blanche D. Grube >810 Green Ridge Street >Scranton, Pa. 18059 >Phone: 717-343-1500 >Fax: 717-343-1551 > > Re: Re: amalgam removal > > >>Dear Donna, >>No. That is not the name. I recall she was in Scranton. Blanche ..., I >>think. I'll try to locate it in my messy Cheney file, some of which has >>been lent out. >> >>Chris >>>Could it be ? She is Steve ' (also a dentist) ex-wife and >>>she is in Pennsylvania. >>>Donna in NC >>> >>> Re: Re: amalgam >>>removal >>> > Steve, >>> > Dr. Cheney recommended someone in Penn. for cavatations but I don't >>>recall her name. I never followed up but I'll see if I can find her >name, etc. >>> > Chris > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 yes, my opinion is that they just don't know yet. sad but true, this causes divergent opinions. be sure to detox BEFORE removal. I know someone who went psychotic after correct removal, due to not detoxing beforehand. Even with the best precautions and methods, there is still exposure during removal. Just how much is still unknown for sure.also one little known concern and little discussed , is that anytime you mess with a tooth you put it at risk.I don't know the detox protocol, sorry. amy >From: " ng " <ng2113@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Amalgam removal >Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:38:53 +0200 > >Hi all! >I have decided to remove my amalgams. I read that high speed driller is >recommended at Huggins protocol whereas another dentist I met at another >forum says that high speed driller should not be used, instead fillings >should be cracked if possible and remaining parts should be cleaned by low >speed driller. She is probably thinking of Mercury vapour formation during >high speed drilling.It is strange to see such opposite opinions at such an >important subject.Any opinions? >Thanks.. >Nil > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Thanks.. I am planning to remove them one at a time. I will probably give 1 or 2 month time lag between each removal. .Nil Amalgam removal > >Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:38:53 +0200 > > > >Hi all! > >I have decided to remove my amalgams. I read that high speed driller is > >recommended at Huggins protocol whereas another dentist I met at another > >forum says that high speed driller should not be used, instead fillings > >should be cracked if possible and remaining parts should be cleaned by low > >speed driller. She is probably thinking of Mercury vapour formation during > >high speed drilling.It is strange to see such opposite opinions at such an > >important subject.Any opinions? > >Thanks.. > >Nil > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 In a message dated 2/15/02 9:56:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Hello, does anyone have a price range of exactly how much it costs to get them removed, per tooth? And what are you putting in place of it, porcelin (sp?)? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hi Nil. I am trying to decide how to have my amlgams removed also, so I am no expert. It seems that mercury removal is one of the most controversial of the many difficult questions we face. It seems that everyone has a different opinion on how to do it and everyone feels very strongly that his way is the only way to do it. So this is not much help for you but I think you have to research the various options available to you and do what you think is best. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 prices vary from tooth to tooth, based on which tooth it is and how big a filling it is. also different dentists vary widely. you might not necesarilty want to base your decision on high or low price, rather the expertise of dentist. some excellent ones charge alot while other excellent ones do not. amy >From: jseaton357@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Amalgam removal >Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:41:06 EST > >In a message dated 2/15/02 9:56:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > writes: > >Hello, does anyone have a price range of exactly how much it costs to get >them removed, per tooth? And what are you putting in place of it, porcelin >(sp?)? >- _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Yes,I am also wondering if Porcelain is a good choice.. Thanks. Nil Re: Amalgam removal > In a message dated 2/15/02 9:56:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > writes: > > Hello, does anyone have a price range of exactly how much it costs to get > them removed, per tooth? And what are you putting in place of it, porcelin > (sp?)? > - > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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