Amalgam removal

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Found a string of practitioners and info that may be interesting startiing at

a newsletter describing SCIO. Could be an important diagnostics for and healing

method for us all.

http://twinsong.us/scio/intro.htm

Then i looked at it in terms of the country i live in and found i just missed

a seminar. One of the speakers on amalgam dangers, removal etc

http://www.hugnet.com/ Cannot study tonight myself, looks like an extensive

library and supplements..

Love and Light

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Hi a:

I have nine fillings that need to be removed and he's doing it in all four

quadrants but one quadrant at a time. So...if the first episode is really bad, I

guess I'll need to cut back.

Thanks again.

Robin

a van Campen <martinavancampen@...> wrote:

No, I worked on and off. That was awful. I thought I was well again and

after a few days or a week it would start over again. Sometimes I had

just the time to go out shopping for clothes with my kids and from being

outdoors would fall ill again. It was a horrific year. He did it too

fast, I'm sure. He is a good dentist, and done a lot good, but not

everything worked out well. It cost me a whole lot, it was very

expensive. And this year I've lost two of the renovated teeth that had

cost me so much, in health and in money, and in time and effort.

I had some homeopathic medicin with some alcohol in it, I remember that,

but most of it was supplements in tablet form. Do think of the vitamin

C, the softer kind. That's essential and chlorophyll.

Good luck with it, Robin. How many amalgam fillings do you have? Are

they in all quadrants of your mouth?

a

a:

Thanks for the information - I appreciate it. I have a dentist who is

experienced in this but I couldn't take his supplements because they are

based in alchohol. So...I did a lot of research and have devised my own

program. Nevertheless, I'm still nervous about how my body will react.

One more question. You mentioned that you were sick for months after

the removal. How drastic was that - could you work?

Robin

[Guest guest]

There is some protocol, I don't remember which one, that says, put at

least one month and a day between two removals.

Nine is not too many, if they are in every quadrant. Musle test could

tell you with which quadrant to start.

Try just one filling the first time. It might have the most impact, but

it has to be the one with the highest electrical value, so the current

between your teeth will decrease after removing the first one. You might

look it up on the internet if you haven't already found it.

a

Hi a:

I have nine fillings that need to be removed and he's doing it in all

four quadrants but one quadrant at a time. So...if the first episode is

really bad, I guess I'll need to cut back.

Thanks again.

Robin

[Guest guest]

> Hi all--I'm new to this group but have been living with e sens, mcs and

> other issues for a decade. I've gotten conflicting info over the years

> regarding having my 7 amalgam fillings removed.

My naturapath stalled me in " allowing " me to have my amalgams removed

for about 6 months in order to build up my system to prepare for it.

The benefits I experienced from having them removed made me wish at

the time that I didn't wait at all. I had all sorts of chronic problems

which

vanished after my fillings were removed, and they never came back.

Other symptoms

lingered on, but at least they started to improve rather than get worse.

I would recommend that you NOT have them all removed at once. One at

a time with a couple weeks in between would be the safest thing to

try, but some dentists like to do things quicker (I had 5 removed

in 24 hours, and felt that was way too fast).

Also, I would recommend that you have on-hand some antioxidants and/or

pH buffers which you already are familiar with and know that they work

before having the fillings out. And then use them afterwards to

minimize

the re-depositing of mercury in your body. I had a terrible dumping

of toxins for a full 2 weeks after my removal, but at least I had some

supplements that were easily able to neutralize a lot of the damage.

I do think that for many people, mercury has a lot to do with ES.

My ES symptoms got progressively worse prior to having my amalgams

out, and has gotten progressively better since (although in recent

years, it seems to have levelled off, possibly because I took

a long break from heavy metal chelators)

As for the products from LessEMF, I've purchased meters, radiation

screens for the computer, and shielding materials. Unfortunately,

I found most of these to be a waste of money, as they really didn't

provide enough help to make much of a difference in my life. I had

much better results from EMF protection devices that I didn't (and

still don't!) understand how they worked.

Marc

[Guest guest]

For those of you who have to go through this I wish you well. I

hope your process goes smoothly.

,

thank you for sharing your experience and glad to hear that it all went well. Do

you think its had long term health benefits for you from taking them out?

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Marcia,

On the whole - yes. Getting them out felt like 50 lbs had been

lifted from my body. I happen to be one of those who is allergic to

mercury also.

I think, for me, it was getting a large burden removed from my

body. Cured? No. But, less toxic - yes!

It's like peeling the onion. What is preventing healing? For

some it may be THE answer, for some a fork in the road.

It was after I got the amalgams out that I had 18 jaw bone

infections diagnosed - so on to that process.

I had also been hit with mold at work (which had gone untreated)

and at home. so on to that now.

But, on the whole I am really glad the burden of mercury toxicity

is in the past. I remember sitting in the dental chair and crying,

begging not to have more mercury put in my tooth. I felt the

heaviness and every time a fork touched a filling I went through the

roof!! Of course, the jerk did it anyway.

>

> For those of you who have to go through this I wish you well.

I

> hope your process goes smoothly.

>

>

>

>

> ,

>

> thank you for sharing your experience and glad to hear that it all

went well. Do you think its had long term health benefits for you

from taking them out?

>

> Marcia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi to Bee and everyone,

>

> I am saving money to have my amalgams removed. Since I have 13 small

> to medium size amalgams on my teeth is there any kind of

> recommendation on how many amalgams should be removed on each visit.

>

==>Leonardo, using a holistic dentist is best, who would know such

things. You do not want too much mercury released into your system at

one time, but I am not studied up on that. You could also see what

Hal Huggins says - do an internet search. He's a very famous holistic

dentist.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

13 is quite a lot; about the same amount I had myself. The dentist

did it over the course of a year, one quarter of the mouth at a

time. He put in a temporary composite material and when they were

all out he put in the permanent ones. Gold was the only substance I

could tolerate. If I had been able to use the porcelain ones, he

could have done them right away but you can't put two metals in the

mouth at once and removing them all at once releases far too much

mercury, holistic or not.

Another friend had hers all done at once and had loads of various

IV's done afterwards. She only did it that way because she had to

travel so far to get it done.

If you happen to be at the group right now, tonight 9pm Eastern is a

call with a biological dentist. He handles all these types of

questions and explains his protocol. I'll be online and can send you

the number if you get this on time. Otherwise feel free to email me

for my notes.

Sharon

>

> Hi to Bee and everyone,

>

> I am saving money to have my amalgams removed. Since I have 13

small

> to medium size amalgams on my teeth is there any kind of

> recommendation on how many amalgams should be removed on each visit.

>

> Thanks

> Leonardo

>

[Guest guest]

They might want to do one quadrant at a time, for numbing you up. Thats

how they did mine.

-amy in Pittsburgh

> > Hi to Bee and everyone,

> >

> > I am saving money to have my amalgams removed. Since I have 13

small

> > to medium size amalgams on my teeth is there any kind of

> > recommendation on how many amalgams should be removed on each visit.

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone had all their filling removed in one sitting?

When I had my amalgams replaced, I only had 5 left (previously

had 20, which had gradually been replaced over 15 years). I

had 3 taken out on one day, and 2 the next. I would say that

this was too fast! I was pretty incapacitated from spontaneous

over-detox for the next couple of weeks.

I'd say that waiting a month between sessions is probably better

than waiting a day... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

I recommend spending another $200 for the blood test to see which ceramic

replacement works best for you. I wish I had. I had pain for a year after.

Some have aluminum, etc.

Good luck and glad you are having them removed.

>On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:21:42 -0000 " Aline " <haikuron@...> wrote.

>I am scheduled to get my amalgam fillings removed and trying to

>figure out the best way to go.

>

>The dentist wants to do ceramic/porcelain inlays for 5 bigger

>fillings and suggests doing it in 2 parts so that I can chew on one

>side of my mouth while the inlays are being fabricated (which takes 3

>weeks).

>

>So it will be a month between getting the amalgam out of one side of

>my mouth and the other.

>

>I realise this isn't ideal as far as mercury detoxification goes and

>I've heard that one should start using chelators until all the

>mercury is out of one's mouth.

>

>I could get all the amalgam out in one go but that sounds very

>stressful.

>

>Would love to hear your thoughts on this. I bet there is something

>I'm missing.

>

>Has anyone had all their filling removed in one sitting?

>

>Thanks,

>Aline

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah - I was wondering about that. The dentist's website says they do

biocompatibility testing but he didn't offer it. Maybe because I am

not allergic to anything else.

Sounds like it would be worth it.

Thanks for the advice.

Aline

In , amcafeerr <amcafeerr@...> wrote:

I recommend spending another $200 for the blood test to see which

ceramic replacement works best for you. I wish I had. I had pain for

a year after.

Some have aluminum, etc.

Good luck and glad you are having them removed.

>

>

>

> >On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:21:42 -0000 " Aline " <haikuron@...> wrote.

> >I am scheduled to get my amalgam fillings removed and trying to

> >figure out the best way to go.

> >

> >The dentist wants to do ceramic/porcelain inlays for 5 bigger

> >fillings and suggests doing it in 2 parts so that I can chew on

one

> >side of my mouth while the inlays are being fabricated (which

takes 3

> >weeks).

> >

> >So it will be a month between getting the amalgam out of one side

of

> >my mouth and the other.

> >

> >I realise this isn't ideal as far as mercury detoxification goes

and

> >I've heard that one should start using chelators until all the

> >mercury is out of one's mouth.

> >

> >I could get all the amalgam out in one go but that sounds very

> >stressful.

> >

> >Would love to hear your thoughts on this. I bet there is something

> >I'm missing.

> >

> >Has anyone had all their filling removed in one sitting?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Aline

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Some have aluminum, etc.

Aluminum?

One should try and get metal-free replacements. You don't

want to attract any more EMF than you need to.

Marc

[Guest guest]

That is interesting to hear, Marc. Did your dentist use supplemental

air as well as a dam and vacuum?

I right in thinking that I should start using chelating agents till all

my fillings are out?

Thanks,

Aline

In , Marc <marc@...> wrote:

Has anyone had all their filling removed in one sitting?

When I had my amalgams replaced, I only had 5 left (previously had 20,

which had gradually been replaced over 15 years). I had 3 taken out on

one day, and 2 the next. I would say that this was too fast! I was

pretty incapacitated from spontaneous over-detox for the next couple of

weeks.

I'd say that waiting a month between sessions is probably better

than waiting a day... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi again ,

Are you allergic or chemically sensitive to other things?

I had presumed I would be OK as the only thing I am 'allergic' to is

shitake mushrooms!

Aline

In , amcafeerr <amcafeerr@...> wrote:

I recommend spending another $200 for the blood test to see which

ceramic replacement works best for you. I wish I had. I had pain for

a year after.

Some have aluminum, etc.

Good luck and glad you are having them removed.

>

>

> >On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:21:42 -0000 " Aline " <haikuron@...> wrote.

> >I am scheduled to get my amalgam fillings removed and trying to

> >figure out the best way to go.

> >

> >The dentist wants to do ceramic/porcelain inlays for 5 bigger

> >fillings and suggests doing it in 2 parts so that I can chew on

one

> >side of my mouth while the inlays are being fabricated (which

takes 3

> >weeks).

> >

> >So it will be a month between getting the amalgam out of one side

of

> >my mouth and the other.

> >

> >I realise this isn't ideal as far as mercury detoxification goes

and

> >I've heard that one should start using chelators until all the

> >mercury is out of one's mouth.

> >

> >I could get all the amalgam out in one go but that sounds very

> >stressful.

> >

> >Would love to hear your thoughts on this. I bet there is something

> >I'm missing.

> >

> >Has anyone had all their filling removed in one sitting?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Aline

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Aline wrote:

> That is interesting to hear, Marc. Did your dentist use supplemental

> air as well as a dam and vacuum?

Err, well, this was 6 years ago... I might have had something over

my nose so that I was breathing air from the hallway... certainly

a dam was used... also I believe that the drill was water-cooled.

As for a vacuum, I think all dentists use those... :-)

> I right in thinking that I should start using chelating agents till all

> my fillings are out?

During the time that the fillings are removed (and a couple weeks afterwards),

it would be best to take things that bind to toxins and keep them moving

out of your system (antioxidants, fiber, water, charcoal, bentonite, etc.).

It's probably not a good idea to take anything that actually mobilizes

stored mercury from your cells into your bloodstream, because your body

has enough to deal with from the mobilized toxins due to the dental work.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc wrote:

> Aline wrote:

>

>> That is interesting to hear, Marc. Did your dentist use supplemental

>> air as well as a dam and vacuum?

>>

>

> Err, well, this was 6 years ago... I might have had something over

> my nose so that I was breathing air from the hallway... certainly

> a dam was used... also I believe that the drill was water-cooled.

> As for a vacuum, I think all dentists use those... :-)

>

>

I can add, I did get oxygen to breathe through my nose. The change I

requested in the procedure, was to keep the extra vacuum away from me,

as it had a noticeable magnetic field.

For metal removal, I took Chlorella for several months, and have been

taking Microhydrin for many years, very helpful for me.

[Guest guest]

I would not have fillings replaced without having the test to

determine which materials are acceptable to your body.

You might check out Hal Huggins web site too. He has a detox

protocol. I just enrolled in the program. It is a combination of blood

work and hair analysis. Josie

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> I can add, I did get oxygen to breathe through my nose. The change I

> requested in the procedure, was to keep the extra vacuum away from me,

> as it had a noticeable magnetic field.

Shivani previously mentioned that dentists offices are terrible

places for people with ES, due to the sophisticated electronics

there. I'd say that this isn't necessarily true -- the holistic

dentist I go to currently has an office that could be straight out

of the 1960's (kind of scary, actually!). I have certainly seen

some dentists offices with TV monitors, etc., but not everyone

is using such fancy equipment.

And when I had my amalgams out, the dentist I went to was nice

enough to turn off the fluorescent lights for me... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Well, I have measured some dental practices, and was flabbergasted by the

amount of elektrosmog.

Especially, the lamp, the dentist uses is a source of enormous elektrosmog,

and he himself stands all day very close to it, with his head.

Furthermore are the (cabled) instruments and the support cabinet an enormous

source.

And the lighting at the ceiling, with several different lamp types as well.

Plus their unavoidable DECT phones.

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Re: Re: Amalgam Removal

>> I can add, I did get oxygen to breathe through my nose. The change I

>> requested in the procedure, was to keep the extra vacuum away from me,

>> as it had a noticeable magnetic field.

>

> Shivani previously mentioned that dentists offices are terrible

> places for people with ES, due to the sophisticated electronics

> there. I'd say that this isn't necessarily true -- the holistic

> dentist I go to currently has an office that could be straight out

> of the 1960's (kind of scary, actually!). I have certainly seen

> some dentists offices with TV monitors, etc., but not everyone

> is using such fancy equipment.

>

> And when I had my amalgams out, the dentist I went to was nice

> enough to turn off the fluorescent lights for me... :-)

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I talked to the Hal Huggins people and they take the amalgam out in

one sitting (the guy told me that with all their protocols including

intravenous vitamin C that works OK).

Any comments on that?

Aline

> > That is interesting to hear, Marc. Did your dentist use

supplemental

> > air as well as a dam and vacuum?

>

> Err, well, this was 6 years ago... I might have had something over

> my nose so that I was breathing air from the hallway... certainly

> a dam was used... also I believe that the drill was water-cooled.

> As for a vacuum, I think all dentists use those... :-)

>

> > I right in thinking that I should start using chelating agents

till all

> > my fillings are out?

>

> During the time that the fillings are removed (and a couple weeks

afterwards),

> it would be best to take things that bind to toxins and keep them

moving

> out of your system (antioxidants, fiber, water, charcoal,

bentonite, etc.).

> It's probably not a good idea to take anything that actually

mobilizes

> stored mercury from your cells into your bloodstream, because your

body

> has enough to deal with from the mobilized toxins due to the dental

work.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> I talked to the Hal Huggins people and they take the amalgam out in

> one sitting (the guy told me that with all their protocols including

> intravenous vitamin C that works OK).

>

> Any comments on that?

Yes, that's insane! :-)

That would mean that you'd need novocaine shots on all quadrants of

the mouth, which would mobilize as much toxins into your bloodstream

as possible all at once. You would also be exposed to as much

mercury vapor as much as possible all at once.

I'd say to do one quadrant at a time, for a maximum of 4 appointments.

And wait 3 weeks in between appointments, to give your body a chance

to recover between appointments.

I've not heard much in the way of reports on Vitamin C IV's

one way or the other. I didn't use them (but I did use

Microhydrin, which was advertised as being 1000 times stronger

than Vitamin C)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Very interesting Marc!

I do suspect that dentists can get away with big amalgam removals in one go

because most of the people they deal with are not super-sensitive to

mercury. However, there is fair evidence that people with ES are likely to

be among the most sensitive - so taking extra care sounds a good idea to me.

For microhydrin, can you remember what aspect was supposed to be 1000 times

better than Vitamin C? Removing mercury from cells, or mopping it up and

expelling it, or didn't they say? Anyway, it seems like it worked well for

you.

Vitamin C is a very good antioxidant, an intravenous dose will allow a large

amount to get directly into the bloodstream, and I think it's claimed that

it also complexes well with mercury and enables it to be excreted more

easily. But I'm not a biochemist so I don't know how effective it really is

at that, though it sounds plausible.

Ian

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc

Sent: 15 August 2007 22:21

Subject: Re: Re: Amalgam Removal

> I talked to the Hal Huggins people and they take the amalgam out in

> one sitting (the guy told me that with all their protocols including

> intravenous vitamin C that works OK).

>

> Any comments on that?

Yes, that's insane! :-)

That would mean that you'd need novocaine shots on all quadrants of

the mouth, which would mobilize as much toxins into your bloodstream

as possible all at once. You would also be exposed to as much

mercury vapor as much as possible all at once.

I'd say to do one quadrant at a time, for a maximum of 4 appointments.

And wait 3 weeks in between appointments, to give your body a chance

to recover between appointments.

I've not heard much in the way of reports on Vitamin C IV's

one way or the other. I didn't use them (but I did use

Microhydrin, which was advertised as being 1000 times stronger

than Vitamin C)

Marc

[Guest guest]

> I do suspect that dentists can get away with big amalgam removals in one

> go because most of the people they deal with are not super-sensitive to

> mercury. However, there is fair evidence that people with ES are likely

> to be among the most sensitive

Yes. the most likely scenario would be that they'd try to remove all

of your fillings all at once, you'd have a terrible reaction, and they'd

innocently state " we've never seen anyone have such a bad reaction! " .

I got that a lot... :-/

> For microhydrin, can you remember what aspect was supposed to be 1000

> times better than Vitamin C?

I can't recall... it was probably just marketing hype, although it

did measure very well on the standard tests they used to measure

antioxidants (ORP, etc.). All I know is that I had no beneficial

reaction to oral Vitamin C, but had obvious beneficial reactions

to Microhydrin (but as I said before, what is currently sold

as 'Microhydrin' is not the same stuff that I was taking 6 years

ago). More energy, less need for sleep, better tolerance for

EMF, etc. I'm still taking the current iteration of this product

6 years later, as I still see benefits in cleaning up after chelators

and

improving tolerance for excessive computer use. I did read

some papers once claiming that it was great for removing

mercury, but in my own experience, I find it rather poor

at mobilizing cellular toxins into the bloodstream. It's good

for neutralizing what's currently in the bloodstream,

which is good for people who still have filling in their

mouth, and for people who are getting their fillings removed.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Just to put a few cents worth in here about mercury toxicity and removal of

fillings.

I know three people who went to the great expense (thousands) of having fillings

removed by specialized dentists:

One got better

Two showed no improvement except for lighter wallets.

Don't mean to be at all discouraging -- just realistic.