RE: Re: Thyroid and chelation question

[Guest guest]

I never trust the doctors completely, they are just educated GUESSERS.

I always look at the results, and good the test and test results.

If there are symptoms I google those as well.

Primary care doctors that try to treat things like Thyroid issues are

normally way off.

They don't seem to really now what they are doing... they read some test

results book and that is it.

My primary care doctor didn't even run all the tests really needed to even

see if my thyroid was working.

My biggest regret was not get a whole panel when I was young and healthy to

compare.

Because mine is still in the NORMAL range, but low, yet I have like 33

symptoms of Hypothyroidism. (which they don't like to treat)

I started taking natural supplements and have felt much better.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of karavalente

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:44 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Sharol,

Thanks. I am waiting for our copy of these test results so I can personally

investigate further. We've had monthly blood work done to check specifically

his thyroid but the doc usually calls with the results so I have not

actually seen the results.

Kara

>

> You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

>

> You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you

can

> damage the thyroid or stop its production.

>

> I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

> endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

> careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

> naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

>

> There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

> care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

>

> Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

> stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID

itself.

> There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

> results that are normal, and what they mean.

>

>

>

> From:

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[mailto:

<mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of karavalente

> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

>

>

>

>

>

> Good Morning,

>

> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

> of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

> his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

> test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

> thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

> how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

> 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

> will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be

slowly

> going down further instead of going up?

> We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

> almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

> age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5

rounds,

> we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round

we

> increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last

9

> rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

> negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

> quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

> thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is

non-verbal

> and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a

guessing

> game.

>

> Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> Kara

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sharol,

Which natural supplements have helped you?

Thanks,

Cheryl

From: Sharol <sharol.taylor@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 10:54 AM

 

I never trust the doctors completely, they are just educated GUESSERS.

I always look at the results, and good the test and test results.

If there are symptoms I google those as well.

Primary care doctors that try to treat things like Thyroid issues are

normally way off.

They don't seem to really now what they are doing... they read some test

results book and that is it.

My primary care doctor didn't even run all the tests really needed to even

see if my thyroid was working.

My biggest regret was not get a whole panel when I was young and healthy to

compare.

Because mine is still in the NORMAL range, but low, yet I have like 33

symptoms of Hypothyroidism. (which they don't like to treat)

I started taking natural supplements and have felt much better.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of karavalente

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:44 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Sharol,

Thanks. I am waiting for our copy of these test results so I can personally

investigate further. We've had monthly blood work done to check specifically

his thyroid but the doc usually calls with the results so I have not

actually seen the results.

Kara

>

> You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

>

> You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you

can

> damage the thyroid or stop its production.

>

> I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

> endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

> careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

> naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

>

> There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

> care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

>

> Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

> stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID

itself.

> There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

> results that are normal, and what they mean.

>

>

>

> From:

<mailto: %40>

[mailto:

<mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of karavalente

> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

>

>

>

>

>

> Good Morning,

>

> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

> of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

> his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

> test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

> thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

> how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

> 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

> will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be

slowly

> going down further instead of going up?

> We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

> almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

> age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5

rounds,

> we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round

we

> increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last

9

> rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

> negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

> quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

> thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is

non-verbal

> and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a

guessing

> game.

>

> Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> Kara

>

>

>

> _____

>

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[Guest guest]

I have plaid with a variety. (I love VitaCost)

Kelp Tablets

Iodine (drops)

Selenium

Bladderwrack (drops)

Coconut Oil (I started cooking with this and take a tablet, you cannot deep fry

in this FYI)

Introduce ONE at a time, google od symptoms, side effects, etc and there will

usually be warning if you have OTHER issues.

I also google pros and cons, as a site that sells it doesn't usually give you

all the side effect, or cons, or overdose symptoms.

But I have been doing a WHOLE change to health, thus why I read this board.

I have changed our shampoos, soaps and toothpaste to more natural ones, like

Burts Bees, Wen, Tom's of Maine, etc.

I am looking into mattress, we bought a Tempur-Pedic , and I am thinking about

putting all my kids on them.

I am also just learning about fabrics etc.

I really do believe we are just poisoning ourselves and children.

We didn't give inoculations after the first round (we had side effects with our

twins)

I don't think that we can do this all at once, but as I learn each thing I shift

that direction.

I have changed my food storage to BPA free Oxo storage, our foods are more and

more organic.

My kids mostly drink NAKED juice and fresh fruits.

I don't hardly ever buy fruit roll ups, etc.

I was letting my son even eat school lunches and within a month I could see his

concentration was WAY down.

So I think LIFESTYLE changes are the key.

Unfortunately many of the changes are very expensive, so you have to take it

slow.

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Cheryl g

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:15 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Hi Sharol,

Which natural supplements have helped you?

Thanks,

Cheryl

From: Sharol <sharol.taylor@...

<mailto:sharol.taylor%40comcast.net> >

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

<mailto: %40>

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 10:54 AM

I never trust the doctors completely, they are just educated GUESSERS.

I always look at the results, and good the test and test results.

If there are symptoms I google those as well.

Primary care doctors that try to treat things like Thyroid issues are

normally way off.

They don't seem to really now what they are doing... they read some test

results book and that is it.

My primary care doctor didn't even run all the tests really needed to even

see if my thyroid was working.

My biggest regret was not get a whole panel when I was young and healthy to

compare.

Because mine is still in the NORMAL range, but low, yet I have like 33

symptoms of Hypothyroidism. (which they don't like to treat)

I started taking natural supplements and have felt much better.

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40>

]

On Behalf Of karavalente

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:44 AM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Sharol,

Thanks. I am waiting for our copy of these test results so I can personally

investigate further. We've had monthly blood work done to check specifically

his thyroid but the doc usually calls with the results so I have not

actually seen the results.

Kara

>

> You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

>

> You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you

can

> damage the thyroid or stop its production.

>

> I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

> endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

> careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

> naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

>

> There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

> care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

>

> Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

> stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID

itself.

> There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

> results that are normal, and what they mean.

>

>

>

> From: <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of karavalente

> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

> <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

>

>

>

>

>

> Good Morning,

>

> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

> of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

> his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

> test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

> thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

> how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

> 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

> will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be

slowly

> going down further instead of going up?

> We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

> almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

> age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5

rounds,

> we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round

we

> increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last

9

> rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

> negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

> quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

> thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is

non-verbal

> and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a

guessing

> game.

>

> Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> Kara

>

>

>

> _____

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rochelle,

Thanks! I don't have the hypo version, I'm hyper instead, but I wanted to know

as I know so very many people that are hypo and I would like to be able to help

them.

Since you said you know a lot about thyroid I would like to know if you might

know the answer to something that has puzzled me for many years. Years ago my

thyroid was extremely hyper, burning up about 8000 calories daily, eating almost

non-stop and losing weight. Then one day, literally overnight, this extreme

problem ended. How could that be possible? I still have had the hyper version

off and on but never to that extreme since then, fortunately, as it was a

nightmare. But this sudden ending of the problem with no logical explanation has

always puzzled me so much. I wasn't on any medication for the problem as I

didn't have health insurance. Any ideas on this?

Thanks,

Cheryl

From: rochelle b <mcroche2002@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:34 AM

 

Cheryl,

I can tell you what natural supplements to use for hypothyroidism. Please note

that these supplement only help in a certain way, but if you have an autoimmune

thyroid problem then these supplements will not help.

Selenium

Iodine(use nascent iodine or Dr. Group's Detoxadine)Dont use iodral

Tyrosine

Please let me know if you need dosage information. As i said before these

supplements might help in situation where there is an impaired t4 to t3

conversion, but not in situations where there is hashimoto or a pituitary

problem.

I would like all the people on this thread to know that there is nothing about

the thyroid or the endocrine in general that i havent read about or know about.

I wish i did not have to know it, but i have to do it to help my own child.

>

> >

>

> > You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

>

> >

>

> > You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you

>

> can

>

> > damage the thyroid or stop its production.

>

> >

>

> > I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

>

> > endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

>

> > careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

>

> > naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

>

> >

>

> > There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

>

> > care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

>

> >

>

> > Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

>

> > stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID

>

> itself.

>

> > There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

>

> > results that are normal, and what they mean.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > From:

>

> <mailto: %40>

>

> [mailto:

>

> <mailto: %40> ]

>

> > On Behalf Of karavalente

>

> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

>

> >

>

> <mailto: %40>

>

> > Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Good Morning,

>

> >

>

> > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

>

> > of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

>

> > his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

>

> > test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

>

> > thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

>

> > how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

>

> > 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

>

> > will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be

>

> slowly

>

> > going down further instead of going up?

>

> > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

>

> > almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

>

> > age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5

>

> rounds,

>

> > we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round

>

> we

>

> > increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last

>

> 9

>

> > rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

>

> > negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

>

> > quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

>

> > thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is

>

> non-verbal

>

> > and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a

>

> guessing

>

> > game.

>

> >

>

> > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> >

>

> > Kara

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > _____

>

> >

>

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> >

[Guest guest]

i know with my child i had to be sure to give them enough armour thyroid because

there is  a point where you will supress natural thyroid production more than

you are supplementing....i think it is basically true that you are not able to

just add to your own thyroid hormones...whenyou take meds you will stop making

hormones so you have to take enough...your son sounds like he is on too low of a

dose and that is why his blood work looks worse...so you have essentially

stopped his thryoid and not given enough meds....

From: karavalente <jafkara@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:44 PM

 

Sharol,

Thanks. I am waiting for our copy of these test results so I can personally

investigate further. We've had monthly blood work done to check specifically his

thyroid but the doc usually calls with the results so I have not actually seen

the results.

Kara

>

> You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

>

> You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you can

> damage the thyroid or stop its production.

>

> I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

> endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

> careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

> naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

>

> There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

> care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

>

> Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

> stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID itself.

> There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

> results that are normal, and what they mean.

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of karavalente

> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

>

>

>

>

>

> Good Morning,

>

> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

> of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

> his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

> test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

> thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

> how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

> 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

> will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be slowly

> going down further instead of going up?

> We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

> almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

> age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds,

> we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we

> increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9

> rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

> negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

> quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

> thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal

> and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing

> game.

>

> Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> Kara

>

>

>

> _____

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

have you checked FREE T3..that is the form of thyroid hormones that is needed

for the cells ....most docs dont run that test...

 

..tsh can  be in normal range and still not be 'optimal " and it can be in normal

range and Free T3 can be on lower end of normal as it was with my kids...and the

Normal for kids is different than normal for adults so be sure to look up the

correct values when looking at the numbers and make sure you are looking up

norms for the correct age..i think wiki has a list of normal labs for different

ages.......

 

apparently you want your Free T3 in the top part of the range near the top

(norms for appropriate age my child is 13 and her normal FT3 is 6 but hers is

only 4 which is too low) and you want the Free T4 in the middle ..if your FT3 is

in middle or low end that is ABNORMAL same with FT4...so dont just look at TSH

it is not much help

 

hope this helps..been around the block with thyroid! and kids!

From: karavalente <jafkara@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:39 PM

 

Rochelle,

That's really interesting. My son was always in the 90th percentile in height

until he was about 2yrs old. Than at his 3 year check up he dropped to the 25th

percentile and continued to decline. Now he'll be 5 at the end of march and is

below the 5th percentile in height. Nor has he gained any weight in years, he's

pretty much been at 30lbs for the last 2 and half years. My son's T4 seems to

come in normal every time we test but his TSH and Total T3 is always low.

Kara

> >

> > Good Morning,

> >

> > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his

low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he

is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came

back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our DAN

doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been

helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we

missing something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead of

going up?

> > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his age).

We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds, we saw

nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we increased

to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9 rounds. Again,

during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or negative. We plan on

increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to quickly, should we wait

longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his thyroid numbers are not getting

better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal and can't tell us how he is feeling,

so we are constantly playing a guessing game.

> >

> > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

> >

> > Kara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rochelle,

What would be the dosage for hypothyroid on Selenium, Iodine and Tyrosine?

Tq

Rafidah

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>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Good Morning,

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

>

> >

>

> > > of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

>

> >

>

> > > his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

>

> >

>

> > > test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

>

> >

>

> > > thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

>

> >

>

> > > how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

>

> >

>

> > > 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

>

> >

>

> > > will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be

>

> >

>

> > slowly

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Hi Rochelle,

Thanks for your response,

I never had any children. It turned out that at least part of my thyroid problem

has been caused by metal poisoning and when I take chelation for that the

thyroid slows down to normal or close to normal. Now I generally burn up about

3000 calories a day but I am a very active person so I only suspect the thyroid

is hyper again when I start burning around 4000 calories per day. Sometimes the

thyroid problem gets worse when I am stressed. The only symptoms I currently

have is burning excessive calories. When the thyroid was extremely hyper I was

weak, exhausted, overheated and extremely hungry all the time. I didn't have

much appetite, strange as that might sound, I only ate to try to make the

intense hunger go away which it never did. While eating around 8000 calories

daily (almost non-stop eating all day) I felt like I was starving to death and I

was losing weight and too thin. I ate almost exclusively healthy foods then as I

had very low blood sugar and

wanted to get well. Also of interest was that when I went to a doctor I was

told it was " all up in my head " and there was nothing wrong with me! I was also

extremely thirsty and drinking around 5 gallons of water daily. Just thought you

might be interested in this since you have studied a lot about thyroids. Mine

was probably one of the more extreme cases. Have you heard of similar cases?

Very interesting about the nodules. I would like to have that checked out but I

have no health insurance. Also, just for your info, after the severe hyper

thyroid condition disappeared, years later my thyroid went hypo to the other

extreme. Exercising 3 hours daily with no weight loss even though I had no

appetite and ate almost nothing. A doctor told me the thyroid was hypo and I

took " Metabo Right " and kelp which cleared it up in no time and the hypo version

of the thyroid never came back again, only the hyper. I have read that it isn't

that unusual for the thyroid to go back and forth from hyper to hypo, even

without medication which I never took for it.

Also which may be of interest is that when I moved away from power lines my

thyroid became hyper again ( burning about 3500-4000 calories daily) almost

immediately after the move and that lasted for about 3 months after the move.

Looking forward to your comments on this.

Thanks again,

Cheryl

From: rochelle b <mcroche2002@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:45 PM

 

Cheryl,

Did you have a baby when several years ago you had an episode of hyperthyroid

symptoms. Its called post partume thyroiditis. You might have some version of

grave's disease because of a thyroid tumor(hot nodule). On and off hyperthyroid

symptoms points to " hot tumor nodules in the thyroid " . They are usually benign.

Please dont take the supplements i suggested. Those were for hypothyroid

symptoms. They will make your condition worse.

Rochelle.

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> > > going down further instead of going up?

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> > > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

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> >

>

> > > almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

>

> >

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> > > age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5

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> >

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> > rounds,

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> >

>

> > > we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round

>

> >

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> > we

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> >

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> > > increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last

>

> >

>

> > 9

>

> >

>

> > > rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

>

> >

>

> > > negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

>

> >

>

> > > quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

>

> >

>

> > > thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is

>

> >

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> > non-verbal

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> >

>

> > > and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a

>

> >

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> > guessing

>

> >

>

> > > game.

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

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I would like that too

Kara

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From: wiersmak <wiersmak@...>

Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 8:34:45 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

Please do!

Karla

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> Dawn,

> while i agree with your thoughts about Free T4 and T3, I dont agree that one

>should not look at or worry about TSH. My son is a classical example. While

both

>his T4 and T3 are low, his TSH is normal. This means that he has hypothyroidism

>but not because of the thyroid gland's fault, but because of the pituitary

>dysfunction. Could be a cyst or tumor around or in the pituitary. TSH is

>supposed to elevate when the level of T4 in the blood goes low. If it doesnt

>that means the pituitary is not doing its job of producing the TSH.

> I have a better pediatric reference range with me. please let me know if

>someone needs it and i will upload it to the files section of this group.

> Rochelle.

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