Re: Thyroid and chelation question

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Kara,

We have the same issue with our son. His thyroid numbers are low. Free T4 below

normal but his TSH is in the normal range. He also has many hypothyroid symptoms

like extended abdomen and low muscle tone. He is not able to walk properly and

is very wobbly while walking. My son is 2.9 years old. My son cannot run either.

An important thing to note about our son is that he stopped growing height wise

at 15 months. At 15 months his height was 31 inches and he is still at the same

height even now. His height dropped from 49 percentile to less than 2

percentile.

This is what we are thinking his happening: His normal TSH level indicates that

the thyroid is not the problem but the pituitary is the problem. The pituitary

also produces growth hormone and since it is impaired he is not growing. The

problem with the pituitary could be a tumor in the pituitary also known as a

craniopharyngioma.

All of this is speculation as of now, but we have met with an endocrinologist

and are undergoing several test regarding the thyroid, adrenal and the the

pituitary. Please keep in touch with me as i feel that you and i are exactly on

the same boat. Nothing seems to help my child. Not DAN, not homeopathy, not

chelation, not ABA. Nothing has helped so far and we have seen 0 improvement.

>

> Good Morning,

>

> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end of

normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his low

thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he is

currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came back

showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our DAN doc

now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been helping

(in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we missing

something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead of going

up?

> We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is almost

5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his age). We

started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds, we saw

nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we increased

to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9 rounds.

Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or negative. We

plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to quickly, should we

wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his thyroid numbers are not

getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal and can't tell us how he is

feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing game.

>

> Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> Kara

>

[Guest guest]

You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you can

damage the thyroid or stop its production.

I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID itself.

There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

results that are normal, and what they mean.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of karavalente

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

Good Morning,

My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be slowly

going down further instead of going up?

We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds,

we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we

increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9

rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal

and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing

game.

Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

Kara

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Rochelle,

That's really interesting. My son was always in the 90th percentile in height

until he was about 2yrs old. Than at his 3 year check up he dropped to the 25th

percentile and continued to decline. Now he'll be 5 at the end of march and is

below the 5th percentile in height. Nor has he gained any weight in years, he's

pretty much been at 30lbs for the last 2 and half years. My son's T4 seems to

come in normal every time we test but his TSH and Total T3 is always low.

Kara

> >

> > Good Morning,

> >

> > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his

low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he

is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came

back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our

DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been

helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we

missing something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead

of going up?

> > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his age).

We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds, we saw

nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we increased

to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9 rounds.

Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or negative. We

plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to quickly, should we

wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his thyroid numbers are not

getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal and can't tell us how he is

feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing game.

> >

> > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

> >

> > Kara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sharol,

Thanks. I am waiting for our copy of these test results so I can personally

investigate further. We've had monthly blood work done to check specifically

his thyroid but the doc usually calls with the results so I have not actually

seen the results.

Kara

>

> You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

>

> You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you can

> damage the thyroid or stop its production.

>

> I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

> endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

> careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

> naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

>

> There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

> care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

>

> Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

> stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID itself.

> There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

> results that are normal, and what they mean.

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of karavalente

> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

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>

> Good Morning,

>

> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

> of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

> his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

> test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

> thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

> how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

> 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

> will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be slowly

> going down further instead of going up?

> We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

> almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

> age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds,

> we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we

> increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9

> rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

> negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

> quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

> thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal

> and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing

> game.

>

> Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> Kara

>

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[Guest guest]

Kara,

You should definitely visit a pediatric endocrinologist and have a proper check

up. Going from 90the percentile to below 3rd percentile is a cause of great

concern and your regular pediatrician should have told you that. Please get all

the proper test. I think your son's case is exactly the same as my son. They can

check for things like Insulin Based Growth factor-IGF1,Serum ACTH(for testing

adrenal), serum cortisol(for adrenal) etc, to point out that it is actually not

the thyroid or the adrenal gland's fault, but a hypoactive pituitary. The

pituitary is the master gland that controls all the other gland. Interestingly

enough the posterior pituitary also secrets something called as the oxytocin or

the love hormone. Without oxytocin being produced there will be a lack of

social/emotional attachment along with lack of empathy. I know my son lacks any

social/emotional attachment with everyone including me. He also has no empathy.

The biggest thing is this can be fixed with proper hormone replacement therapy.

Check out www.magicfoundation.org

My son has no behavior issues, he has good focus and has done well in his ABA

program. He has zero receptive language and zero expressive language. He doesnt

even make a single sound. No sound whatsoever. This was not the case until 15

month old whence he was babbling and achieving all his milestones. My son also

never throws tantrums and seldom has any meltdowns.I will be happy to see him

throw a tantrum or have a meltdown. Please feel free to contact me by email

" mcroche2002@... " and we can talk more.

> > >

> > > Good Morning,

> > >

> > > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his

low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he

is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came

back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our

DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been

helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we

missing something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead

of going up?

> > > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his age).

We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds, we saw

nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we increased

to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9 rounds.

Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or negative. We

plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to quickly, should we

wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his thyroid numbers are not

getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal and can't tell us how he is

feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing game.

> > >

> > > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

> > >

> > > Kara

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kara,

I don't know if this will help you or anybody else but I will give it a try

since you asked about any known connection between chelation and thyroid. I have

a hyperactive thyroid and I keep it under control by using chelation. My thyroid

apparently becomes hyperactive because of metal poisoning. I have had at least 2

doctors confirm my suspicion on this. When the thyroid acts up I take chelation

and it slows it down. This works every time. However, I noticed this last time

that after resuming chelation it temporarily got worse for a short period of

time, perhaps from metal circulating through the body before exiting. Just a

guess on my part. So for some people there can be a definite connection between

chelation and thyroid as I am certain I am not unique. 

Also, while we are on the topic of chelation, did you know there was a study on

autistic children and electrical magnetic fields? It showed that when the

children's use of computers and cell phones was taken away that their bodies

chelated metal faster than when they were given chelation! This is very

important to know because it means if you move away from a major EMF source,

such as power lines, it would be advisable to discontinue chelation for awhile

as it would be like taking a double dose of it which could be too much and

result in serious side effects. This actually happened to somebody that I know

personally.

Hope this helps!

Cheryl 

From: karavalente <jafkara@...>

Subject: [ ] Thyroid and chelation question

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 6:49 AM

 

Good Morning,

My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end of

normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his low

thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he is

currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came back

showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our DAN doc

now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been helping

(in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we missing

something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead of going

up?

We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is almost 5

and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his age). We

started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds, we saw

nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we increased

to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9 rounds.

Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or negative. We

plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to quickly, should we

wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his thyroid numbers are not

getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal and can't tell us how he is

feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing game.

Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

Kara

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

I can tell you what natural supplements to use for hypothyroidism. Please note

that these supplement only help in a certain way, but if you have an autoimmune

thyroid problem then these supplements will not help.

Selenium

Iodine(use nascent iodine or Dr. Group's Detoxadine)Dont use iodral

Tyrosine

Please let me know if you need dosage information. As i said before these

supplements might help in situation where there is an impaired t4 to t3

conversion, but not in situations where there is hashimoto or a pituitary

problem.

I would like all the people on this thread to know that there is nothing about

the thyroid or the endocrine in general that i havent read about or know about.

I wish i did not have to know it, but i have to do it to help my own child.

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> > You really need to understand the thyroid to properly medicate.

>

> >

>

> > You also should be VERY careful about giving any thyroid medication, you

>

> can

>

> > damage the thyroid or stop its production.

>

> >

>

> > I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

>

> > endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

>

> > careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

>

> > naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

>

> >

>

> > There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

>

> > care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

>

> >

>

> > Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

>

> > stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID

>

> itself.

>

> > There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

>

> > results that are normal, and what they mean.

>

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> > On Behalf Of karavalente

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> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:50 AM

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> > Good Morning,

>

> >

>

> > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

>

> > of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

>

> > his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

>

> > test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

>

> > thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

>

> > how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

>

> > 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

>

> > will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be

>

> slowly

>

> > going down further instead of going up?

>

> > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

>

> > almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

>

> > age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5

>

> rounds,

>

> > we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round

>

> we

>

> > increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last

>

> 9

>

> > rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

>

> > negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

>

> > quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

>

> > thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is

>

> non-verbal

>

> > and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a

>

> guessing

>

> > game.

>

> >

>

> > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> >

>

> > Kara

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[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

Did you have a baby when several years ago you had an episode of hyperthyroid

symptoms. Its called post partume thyroiditis. You might have some version of

grave's disease because of a thyroid tumor(hot nodule). On and off hyperthyroid

symptoms points to " hot tumor nodules in the thyroid " . They are usually benign.

Please dont take the supplements i suggested. Those were for hypothyroid

symptoms. They will make your condition worse.

Rochelle.

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> > > I would not mess with this without seeing a expert. Preferably a

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> > > endocrinologist... I have had thyroid issues myself, and have been very

>

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> > > careful with medication. There are other things that you can look at to

>

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>

> > > naturally help, but starting with Armour Thyroid is really risky.

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> > > There are many test for the thyroid that many misread, including primary

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> > > care doctors, thus why I recommend a endocrinologist.

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> > > Some test results can be just to test a hormone that your body sends to

>

> >

>

> > > stimulate the thyroid, so the results can be misread as your THYROID

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> > itself.

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> > > There are MANY test to take, I would read in detail what each test is, the

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> > > results that are normal, and what they mean.

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> > > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

>

> >

>

> > > of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address

>

> >

>

> > > his low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each

>

> >

>

> > > test), he is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest

>

> >

>

> > > thyroid test came back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up,

>

> >

>

> > > how can this be? Our DAN doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to

>

> >

>

> > > 30mg. But if its not been helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse),

>

> >

>

> > > will it even help, are we missing something? How could the numbers be

>

> >

>

> > slowly

>

> >

>

> > > going down further instead of going up?

>

> >

>

> > > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

>

> >

>

> > > almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his

>

> >

>

> > > age). We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5

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> > rounds,

>

> >

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> > > we saw nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round

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> > we

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> > > increased to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last

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> > 9

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> > > rounds. Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or

>

> >

>

> > > negative. We plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to

>

> >

>

> > > quickly, should we wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his

>

> >

>

> > > thyroid numbers are not getting better? Unfortunately our son is

>

> >

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> > non-verbal

>

> >

>

> > > and can't tell us how he is feeling, so we are constantly playing a

>

> >

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> > guessing

>

> >

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> > > game.

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> > > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

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> > > Kara

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Dawn,

while i agree with your thoughts about Free T4 and T3, I dont agree that one

should not look at or worry about TSH. My son is a classical example. While both

his T4 and T3 are low, his TSH is normal. This means that he has hypothyroidism

but not because of the thyroid gland's fault, but because of the pituitary

dysfunction. Could be a cyst or tumor around or in the pituitary. TSH is

supposed to elevate when the level of T4 in the blood goes low. If it doesnt

that means the pituitary is not doing its job of producing the TSH.

I have a better pediatric reference range with me. please let me know if someone

needs it and i will upload it to the files section of this group.

Rochelle.

> > >

> > > Good Morning,

> > >

> > > My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end

of normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his

low thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he

is currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came

back showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our DAN

doc now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been

helping (in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we

missing something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead of

going up?

> > > We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is

almost 5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his age).

We started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds, we saw

nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we increased

to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9 rounds. Again,

during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or negative. We plan on

increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to quickly, should we wait

longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his thyroid numbers are not getting

better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal and can't tell us how he is feeling,

so we are constantly playing a guessing game.

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> > > Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

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[Guest guest]

Natural Thyroid is usually dosed as grains. 1 grain is 6omgs. Children are

usually started at 1/4 grain which would be equivalent to 15mgs. Then increased

by 1/4 mg increments.

You started with 1/8mg and are increasing in 1/8mg increments. That means that

you are increasing very slowly.

Since giving less thyroid than what is needed can make labs look worse it is

likely you simply aren't on a good dose yet. This is not uncommon. (happened to

both my dh and one of my children and I have seen others report this as well)

People usually need between 1/4 to 4 grains per day to get stable temps.

However, most of the children that I have seen reported on have been between 1/2

grain to 1 grain.

Three of my children all needed 1 full grain.

If your child's basal temps are still low (below 97.5 first thing in the morn

before moving) I would say you need more thyroid. Pediatric endos are almost

never helpful.

Once you get enough merc out you may find that you can get off thyroid meds,

Andy has said that some people still need thyroid meds for a year or two after

chelation is finished. Point being it isn't necessarily for life.

Tressie

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> Good Morning,

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> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end of

normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his low

thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he is

currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came back

showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our DAN doc

now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been helping

(in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we missing

something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead of going

up?

> We are also about to start 15th round of chelation this weekend. He is almost

5 and depending on the day between 30 to 32 lbs (VERY small for his age). We

started him with 4mg DMSA every four hours for the first 5 rounds, we saw

nothing positive or negative during those rounds. On the 6th round we increased

to 6mg every 4 hours, and have stayed at that dose for the last 9 rounds.

Again, during these rounds we have seen nothing really positive or negative. We

plan on increasing this weekend to 8mg. Am I increasing to quickly, should we

wait longer? Could the chelation be a reason why his thyroid numbers are not

getting better? Unfortunately our son is non-verbal and can't tell us how he is

feeling, so we are constantly playing a guessing game.

>

> Thank you for any insight or advice you may have.

>

> Kara

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kara,

Here is a helpful, educational 'site if you're interested in knowing more about

the glands.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/body_basics/endocrine.html#

I'm doing research and more reading on the glands for my treatment and our son's

before I see the doc, the endo, and chelation. I also joined an adult-related,

natural-thyroid group, who directed me to their natural-thyroid/adrenal

group.

They are both highly membered and active groups. Several people including

moderators answered my inquiries about treating the thyroid, and if there is any

suspicion of adrenal fatigue or problems they strongly suggested that I address

those first before treating thyroid because if my adrenal isn't healthy, then my

thyroid will have a tough time healing with the medications that will be

prescribed to me by the endo for thyroid.

I'm considering taking it one step further, and having my hypothalamus checked

since, according to the kids' health 'site above, the hypothalamus (aside from

the brain) controls the rest of the endocrine system. I haven't been advised to

check the hypothalamus, but if I already suspect problems with my thyroid and my

adrenals, then I might as well start at the 'top'.

Like others on this list, I can't count on my docs to know everything and

provide me with much quality care in the 15 minutes they and my med insurance

allots me, so the have been great, including this list.

If you are interested in the tests the thyroid/adrenals groups have suggested I

take with me to the docs, let me know.

We will be starting chelation soon; waiting on various tests right now. One

last thing, I've take it into consideration that the 'normal range' on the test

results may not reflect a children's range necessarily. I don't know where the

test ranges came from, so if anyone knows how they were derived, if they are

standard across the board for laboratories, or if they are updated, please

share.

Reading Shomon's books on thyroid health...

Sheila

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> Good Morning,

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> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end of

normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his low

thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he is

currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came back

showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be? Our DAN doc

now wants us to increase the thyroid med to 30mg. But if its not been helping

(in fact its been slowly getting worse), will it even help, are we missing

something? How could the numbers be slowly going down further instead of going

up?

[Guest guest]

> My son's thyroid test came back again showing it to be on the very low end of

normal. We started giving him Armour Thyroid back in August to address his low

thyroid numbers (started at 7.5mg and slowly increased after each test), he is

currently taking 22.5mg of Armour Thyroid but our latest thyroid test came back

showing his thyroid is actually going down not up, how can this be?

I eliminated hypothyroid here with selenium, iodine, and tyrosine.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Please do!

Karla

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> Dawn,

> while i agree with your thoughts about Free T4 and T3, I dont agree that one

should not look at or worry about TSH. My son is a classical example. While both

his T4 and T3 are low, his TSH is normal. This means that he has hypothyroidism

but not because of the thyroid gland's fault, but because of the pituitary

dysfunction. Could be a cyst or tumor around or in the pituitary. TSH is

supposed to elevate when the level of T4 in the blood goes low. If it doesnt

that means the pituitary is not doing its job of producing the TSH.

> I have a better pediatric reference range with me. please let me know if

someone needs it and i will upload it to the files section of this group.

> Rochelle.

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[Guest guest]

A bit of something on fibromyalgia and thyroid issues from Mercola.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/26/dr-john-lowe-on-th\

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yroid-disease-part-1.aspx

Glavic

Yes, the primary research is basically listening and trying to understand what

you're listening to and observing means (also called of the analysis by academic

geeks) (That enough people do that rather than imposing themselves otherwise,

sheesh -- that I can't handle myself if not for the abuse otherwise

There may be enough on [the] thyroid there to help you out.

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> From: rochelle b <mcroche2002@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Thyroid and chelation question

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> Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:45 PM

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