Re: Welbutrin (and hypothyroid) - ANDY

[Guest guest]

Wellburtin does not have any metals in it. If it did do anything to him in

utero...there isn't much that could be done about that now. I don't think anyone

has a clear answer as to what some of these medications to to fetuses.

However, you can address the mercury/metals in him via low dose chelation. And

that will go along way towards repairing any issues he has and possibly making

his thyroid work. His thyroid labs were reviewed on RFA group and

recommendations were made about that.

Don't spend too much time dwelling on the mistakes or you won't get around to

doing something about them.

>

> Hi Andy,

>

> I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin, (Bupropion)

and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was extremely helpful

to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs son (ADHD-like

profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people but social

difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or confusion,

sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his vaccinations.

>

> My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with him. I

took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for the

first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

>

> I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid for 14

years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so this

idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy, when my

TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three and a

half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked at his

TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure I

agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

>

> I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by one and

repair them as best I can.

>

> What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came up

high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

>

> This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the wrong

people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having trouble

sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

>

> Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug Welbutrin.

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

I doubt wellbutrin would do a lot during pregnancy but I am not sure. It may

have a VERY MILD effect similar to what Adderall/Dexedrine (speed) would have.

The thyroid issue is a major one and verges on negligence. Most doctors

increase a woman's thyroid dose substantially during pregnancy to ensure the

baby gets enough thyroid hormone which is necessary for brain development both

before and after birth.

If at this point his T3 is low, or was for some time, he needs it put up to

reasonably high-normal levels (for a child, which is much higher than for

adults) to ensure his brain does all the 'catch up' development it can.

You should find a real doctor who will prescribe dessicated thyroid or Thyrolar®

for you, not synthroid® or levoxyl®.

Thyroid medicine is relatively safe, and the T3 form is safer than the T4 form.

You may want to find a doctor who will consider a trial of T3. Dosage depends

very much on the type prescribed so I won't give numbers here.

Don't worry about the wellbutrin®. Worry about the thyroid. Worry about the

human sacrificing endocrinology religion adding your kid to the pile of ruined

lives out back by saying everything is fine when it isn't, then saying 'oh,

well' when it is too late to help.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

www..noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

>

> Hi Andy,

>

> I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin, (Bupropion)

and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was extremely helpful

to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs son (ADHD-like

profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people but social

difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or confusion,

sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his vaccinations.

>

> My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with him. I

took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for the

first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

>

> I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid for 14

years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so this

idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy, when my

TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three and a

half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked at his

TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure I

agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

>

> I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by one and

repair them as best I can.

>

> What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came up

high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

>

> This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the wrong

people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having trouble

sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

>

> Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug Welbutrin.

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response Andy. This was a painful post for me to read. I did

see a pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical yesterday. She said his labs

looked fine. I asked her if 3.75 TSH is fine for him, would that be fine for me?

She said YES. This was a highly respected doctor, her name is Kohn. I

asked her what number would be worrysome for him. She said she took a variety of

the lab results into consideration. And smiled condescendingly, and refused to

elaborate. So I will move on to another doctor - I will look into a trial of T3

meds for him. And take better care of my own thyroid problem. I will put the

Wellbutrin thing to rest, which I have been holding on to a long time now, so

thank you for that.

But one more thing - my son is not a ruined life. None of our children are

" ruined lives. " That is a hurtful thing to say to a mother and it could not be

less true.

a

> >

> > Hi Andy,

> >

> > I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin, (Bupropion)

and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was extremely helpful

to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs son (ADHD-like

profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people but social

difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or confusion,

sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his vaccinations.

> >

> > My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with him. I

took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for the

first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

> >

> > I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid for

14 years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so this

idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy, when my

TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three and a

half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked at his

TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure I

agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

> >

> > I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by one

and repair them as best I can.

> >

> > What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> > What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> > Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came up

high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

> >

> > This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the wrong

people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having trouble

sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

> >

> > Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug Welbutrin.

> >

> > a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I do appreciate the moderators reviewing my labs, very much so. And I

appreciate the support.

I had privately asked Andy about my situation and the pharmacology of Wellbutrin

and he requested that I post the question here instead.

a

> >

> > Hi Andy,

> >

> > I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin, (Bupropion)

and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was extremely helpful

to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs son (ADHD-like

profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people but social

difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or confusion,

sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his vaccinations.

> >

> > My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with him. I

took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for the

first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

> >

> > I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid for

14 years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so this

idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy, when my

TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three and a

half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked at his

TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure I

agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

> >

> > I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by one

and repair them as best I can.

> >

> > What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> > What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> > Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came up

high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

> >

> > This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the wrong

people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having trouble

sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

> >

> > Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug Welbutrin.

> >

> > a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The proper tests for thyroid are freeT3, freet4, and TSH. There are a few

others with could be beneficial, but if you find a decent doc you may not need

another blood draw before starting.

With a TSH of 3.75 your kiddo needs thyroid and any doc worth his salt will know

this (not many of them out there these days). Children should generally have a

TSH under 1.5. Free T3 ref range on a 3 yo male is 2.4-6.7 pg/mL. You want him

to test in top 1/3 or range so 5.3-6.7 pg/mL. Bigger than labs are symptoms

though. http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-symptoms-matrix

Call local compounding pharmacies and ask which doc in your area Rx natural

thyroid like Armour, naturthroid, westhroid, or compounded equivalent.

Call the docs office and before you make an appt ask the nurse if doc treats

thyroid according to SYMPTOMS and labs? Also ask if doc sees fit is he willing

to consider Rxing thyroid in child of three even if labs aren't outside of ref

range. Most docs that Rx the naturals will understand exactly what these

questions mean.

Tressie

> > >

> > > Hi Andy,

> > >

> > > I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin,

(Bupropion) and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was

extremely helpful to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs

son (ADHD-like profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people

but social difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or

confusion, sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his

vaccinations.

> > >

> > > My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with him.

I took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for the

first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

> > >

> > > I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid for

14 years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so this

idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy, when my

TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three and a

half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked at his

TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure I

agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

> > >

> > > I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by one

and repair them as best I can.

> > >

> > > What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> > > What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> > > Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came

up high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

> > >

> > > This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the

wrong people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having

trouble sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

> > >

> > > Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug

Welbutrin.

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think you misunderstand perhaps what Andy was saying- by using the term to

mean what will what will happen to your child if you listen to the endo and let

the labs get worse. " Ruined " if you sit back and do nothing. Last year I had my

son's thyroid labs done and his TSH was similar- we event went to a socalled

alternative doc who said he would not rx Armour until he was fully " out of

range " .

On another board I was told the same thing - not finding a doc who gets this and

doing nothing while my boy's body is screaming out for thyroid hormone, could

lead to permanent irreparable loss of IQ and normal brain development. Time is

of the essence. Google Armour friendly docs, there is a site that you can search

by zip code. We found a doc (not an endo) this way who was willing to rx

Armour. The difference is remarkable, our son no longer needs 2 hour naps at 5

years old and teachers report he is more alert and concentrates better in school

and grasps concepts quicker.

Irene

> > >

> > > Hi Andy,

> > >

> > > I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin,

(Bupropion) and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was

extremely helpful to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs

son (ADHD-like profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people

but social difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or

confusion, sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his

vaccinations.

> > >

> > > My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with him.

I took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for the

first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

> > >

> > > I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid for

14 years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so this

idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy, when my

TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three and a

half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked at his

TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure I

agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

> > >

> > > I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by one

and repair them as best I can.

> > >

> > > What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> > > What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> > > Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came

up high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

> > >

> > > This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the

wrong people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having

trouble sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

> > >

> > > Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug

Welbutrin.

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I think you misunderstand perhaps what Andy was saying- by using the term to

mean what will what will happen to your child if you listen to the endo and let

the labs get worse. " Ruined " if you sit back and do nothing.

Correct. It is still timely to do something about it and avoid loss of

intellectual potential.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

[Guest guest]

I went to that site, and every time I hit the zip code it says " error. "

Even when I tried to link to the Angie's list mentioned ten it says error.

Someone doesn't want us to find Armour friendly docs.

[Guest guest]

Andy meant that mainstream docs won't do anything for a thyroid until a child's

life is ruined. And that if you follow the ped endo, you're child may end up on

that road with the tons of other kids/people that are never treated

appropriately and suffer throughout their lives.

Not that your child was ruined. He's trying to reiterate the concept that

ignoring his thyroid which is low, will lead to lifelong problems that can be

devastating.

And he's right. I've seen it extended family members who were hypo as children

in my family. It leads to shorten stature too. You won't grow to your full

genetically determined height.

My daughter should have been taller but we did not find out about her thyroid

until she was about 11. She did grown another 2 inches after going on Armour.

But she probably lost 2 inches from her adult height.

My TSH has never been as high as his....and I feel terrible if its above 2.5.

Smiling condescendingly means she's a know it all who isn't going to help you.

Anytime I run into a doctor who thinks they know everything and I couldn't

possibly know anything....they are fired.

I took my daughter to two doctors that refused to treat her thyroid. Then I

hired a holistic family MD who is wonderful. She couldn't understand why the ped

wouldn't treat my kid when clearly the labs indicated a need and so did her

symptoms.

it's hard, much of the time we think prestigious doctors in big facilities with

famous names will be knowledgeable....but it just doesn't seem to be true in a

lot of cases.

> > >

> > > Hi Andy,

> > >

> > > I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin,

(Bupropion) and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was

extremely helpful to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs

son (ADHD-like profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people

but social difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or

confusion, sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his

vaccinations.

> > >

> > > My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with him.

I took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for the

first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

> > >

> > > I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid for

14 years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so this

idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy, when my

TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three and a

half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked at his

TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure I

agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

> > >

> > > I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by one

and repair them as best I can.

> > >

> > > What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> > > What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> > > Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came

up high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

> > >

> > > This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the

wrong people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having

trouble sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

> > >

> > > Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug

Welbutrin.

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try www.thyroid-info.com/topdrs/. Choose your state and you will find a list

this way. The doctor locator part of the site is not working.

Irene

>

> I went to that site, and every time I hit the zip code it says " error. "

> Even when I tried to link to the Angie's list mentioned ten it says error.

> Someone doesn't want us to find Armour friendly docs.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone.

Since I got nowhere with a " power doctor, " I made an appt. at the office of Dr.

Lentine in NJ, a DO, who takes my insurance. They are holistic and they

work with endocrine and adrenal issues. She said she will see both me AND my son

in the same visit. I'll let you know what happens. I assume none of these meds

come in capsule form, so I will have to get Benjy to swallow pills!

Tomorrow morning I leave for a 5-day family vacation. I look forward to

decompressing a little.

a

> > > >

> > > > Hi Andy,

> > > >

> > > > I have a question about the pharmacology of the drug Welbutrin,

(Bupropion) and what this drug could possibly do to a fetus. This drug was

extremely helpful to me for 5 years prior to my pregnancy with my special needs

son (ADHD-like profile of very severe attention/focus problems, adores people

but social difficulty, very defiant and silly, receptive language delays or

confusion, sensory-seeking, emotional/tantrums). He received all of his

vaccinations.

> > > >

> > > > My OB told me it was fine to take Welbutrin during my pregnancy with

him. I took this drug, both name-brand and the off-brand version Bupropion, for

the first 16 weeks of my pregnancy, weaning myself off slowly.

> > > >

> > > > I was also diagnosed with Hashimoto's at 18 and have been on Synthroid

for 14 years (I'm 32). My thyroid was lowish in the beginning of preg, and so

this idiot OB did not increase my dosage until my seventh month of pregnancy,

when my TSH had climbed to 4.5. My son's TSH, when tested in Nov at age three

and a half, was 3.75. Aa pediatric endocrinologist at NYU Medical Center looked

at his TSH, Total T3 and Total T4 and said he was fine, he was perfect. Not sure

I agree - I might get a second opinion to do a trial of thyroid meds. From my

understanding thyroid meds are very safe, so maybe we should do a trial of it.

> > > >

> > > > I am trying to separate out his issues so I can deal with them one by

one and repair them as best I can.

> > > >

> > > > What did the Bupropion do to his brain in utero?

> > > > What is the possible " subclinical " hypothyroid doing to him?

> > > > Where does the mercury and other metal fit into this? His hair test came

up high for antimony and tin; also he meets counting rule #1. He did get all his

shots as a baby, but I'm wondering if the Bupropion's active ingredients and

" fillers " had metal in it.

> > > >

> > > > This is eating me alive. I have made so many mistakes listening to the

wrong people, and I am trying to repair the damage as best I can. I am having

trouble sleeping at night because I think about the mistakes I made.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for anything you can tell me especially about this drug

Welbutrin.

> > > >

> > > > a

> > > >

> > >

> >

>