is son-rise treatment a scam?

[Guest guest]

Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to talk

to someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call up -you

talk to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your contact

info, name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth, etc... before

you ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its a match or a

possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been sold on the idea

by the website info and was willing to spend the money for treatment and

training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds like some big

sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

shannon

[Guest guest]

not in my opinion. my spouse attended the program. i get the sales pressure

aspect of it but if you can do the program it's great. there's some others

on the list who have volunteered in a son rise program and can (i assume)

also attest to it. i've met raun kaufman and he's very genuine and sincere

and seems like an all around nice guy. very patient and eager to help out.

that said it's a good amount of work to run the program and find volunteers.

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Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to

talk to someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call

up -you talk to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your

contact info, name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth,

etc... before you ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its

a match or a possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been

sold on the idea by the website info and was willing to spend the money for

treatment and training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds

like some big sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

shannon

[Guest guest]

I don't think it's a scam. But like anything else, I think you should take into

consideration that it may take quite a long dedication of time and money to get

the results you want. I have found that my efforts were better spent at home

observing my child and researching the best ways to teach him. I think there

are some really good folks out there for our children, but there are also some

who you expect to be the experts and it just doesn't work out or isn't a good

fit. I am not trying to sound depressing, just realistic. Just try to make

sure you get some more feedback from people who did it before you commit, that

would be my suggestion.

>

> Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to talk

to someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call up -you

talk to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your contact

info, name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth, etc... before

you ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its a match or a

possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been sold on the idea

by the website info and was willing to spend the money for treatment and

training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds like some big

sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

> shannon

>

[Guest guest]

Along the same lines. (Though it is surprising noone here has ventured further

with Son-Rise? what that says about us if not them? .. . or both

Take what you can get from it and move from there with what you've got by as

much? Try what the website offers (I'd say it's doable in that respect, by

yourself?) and if it seems to show promise then perhaps that should speak to

Son-Rise's credibility, to go further with it?; don't know what else to tell you

otherwise? I measure people by whether they *communicate* with me.. (For what

that's worth, of the other?) and don't think much of anything otherwise.. Think

of that as the curriculum that matters where you also want to work with those

who would respect you of as much, where you're about as much yourself, with

respect to the curriculum of your interests? each others? of Communication? .. .

How you're treated and what it costs is always the most important thing in

telling you what it might be worth (of value...). Things always seem to sound

good in theory, no less, no doubt.. I'd be interested in the responses you get

from the people who *have* experience working directly with the Son-Rise folks.

I don't, but that's how I usually handle such situations until then.. .

Yes, I was also somewhat (if not very) impressed by Son-Rise's website/video. It

certainly would be worth a second look (and a try, as much as I try things and

how far I go with as much? of my ABA? Yes) as far as I'm concerned, with the

facts.. .

I judge things by the communication aspect of as much (no, not so much by mere

language and how we handle ourselves in that respect) in that respect, for what

I really want if not expect to get out of things, for what I need, of and by as

much no less. I would further involve myself with someone (and something) like

that, and not so much otherwise.. .

Pleasant researching! (That anyone has wished me as much? .. .

Glavic

On the *primary* research, that there should be any other (That wouldn't be

abusive otherwise? Do The math, for yourself, on how It's done, Thereof (Of

Feeling as understanding! and what I wish for Us.. .

You/we may be more about language?!. Wherever that has gotten anyone, not so

reasonable and true as me.. .

As if researching for ourselves isn't what It's all about?!.

> >

> > Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to

talk to someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call up

-you talk to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your

contact info, name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth, etc...

before you ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its a match or

a possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been sold on the

idea by the website info and was willing to spend the money for treatment and

training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds like some big

sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

> > shannon

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No, not a scam. Get their free DVDs and watch them to learn more about it or

read " Son-Rise " by Barry Neil Kaufman about their recovery of their own son,

Raun. I volunteered in two Son-Rise programs, which were significantly

different because the commitment of the parents differed significantly. It's

not for everyone. I also volunteered at Option (not in the Son-Rise program)

for 4 months.

is son-rise treatment a scam?

Posted by: " S " webshopping2009@... webshopping2009

Wed Mar 9, 2011 10:54 am (PST)

Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to talk to

someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call up -you talk

to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your contact info,

name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth, etc... before you

ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its a match or a

possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been sold on the idea

by the website info and was willing to spend the money for treatment and

training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds like some big

sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

shannon

[Guest guest]

Probably they just need to be told about their intake procedures where they

operate? .. . That wouldn't surprise me.. . I've always known that how you start

is so pivotal to what follows (On the direct if not so directional?) I find many

people and organizations slip-up in that respect, Lord knows why, given how

important that step is to moving The ball forward (Voila?!.

I can see giving them another chance. I find trying to connect with the

government (or justice system) a disaster, so it doesn't surprise me that other

things fail at as much, in getting started? .. .

They (Son-Rise) could probably use my help, or your help (?) .. .

Maybe they just want to help for free, (if not a Thank-you? if not something

smarter.. .) that really need help? (Of somewhat having done a psycho-analysis?)

I think they may *just* have provided enough for that.. .

I appreciate what they have provided for free, (so free?) wherever that takes me

I do *ABA* (something like It? Objective Communication?)) so applying what I've

already learned shouldn't be a problem in that respect, of where I go with as

much? .. . (I Figure I understand how Communication really works in that

respect, of Justness

Best wishes, (Thereof? .. .

Glavic

Just try to talk with them. If they're no good for that don't waste your time

with them of as much? I suspect they should prove themselves in that respect.. .

(That I don't? .. .

Whatever, that I want or need to be like anyone otherwise

>

> No, not a scam. Get their free DVDs and watch them to learn more about it or

read " Son-Rise " by Barry Neil Kaufman about their recovery of their own son,

Raun. I volunteered in two Son-Rise programs, which were significantly

different because the commitment of the parents differed significantly. It's

not for everyone. I also volunteered at Option (not in the Son-Rise program)

for 4 months.

>

>

> is son-rise treatment a scam?

> Posted by: " S " webshopping2009@... webshopping2009

> Wed Mar 9, 2011 10:54 am (PST)

>

> Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to talk

to someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call up -you

talk to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your contact

info, name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth, etc... before

you ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its a match or a

possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been sold on the idea

by the website info and was willing to spend the money for treatment and

training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds like some big

sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

> shannon

>

[Guest guest]

We did not participate in the program but I will be forever thankful that

'Son-Rise' by kaufman was one of the first books I came across following all the

dismal medical proclamations. It details the Kaufman's day to day work in

helping/healing their son - diet, non stimulatory environment to relearn

skills[the bathroom!], their need for helpers and how they trained them, etc.

It's full of good ideas. It opened my perspective and gave me hope in the 1980s

when all were nay sayers.

>

> No, not a scam. Get their free DVDs and watch them to learn more about it or

read " Son-Rise " by Barry Neil Kaufman about their recovery of their own son,

Raun. I volunteered in two Son-Rise programs, which were significantly

different because the commitment of the parents differed significantly. It's

not for everyone. I also volunteered at Option (not in the Son-Rise program)

for 4 months.

>

>

> is son-rise treatment a scam?

> Posted by: " S " webshopping2009@... webshopping2009

> Wed Mar 9, 2011 10:54 am (PST)

>

> Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to talk

to someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call up -you

talk to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your contact

info, name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth, etc... before

you ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its a match or a

possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been sold on the idea

by the website info and was willing to spend the money for treatment and

training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds like some big

sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

> shannon

>

[Guest guest]

We never did the program either but I too am forever greatful for the book and

the movie.  It remains an inspiration to me.  I've had the fortune of meeting

Raun Kaufman at a conference, sweet, wonderful guy, definitely fully

recovered.  I've known others who have done the program and love it.  The only

reason we didn't pursue is because we're doing RDI which frankly is very similar

and I was able to get the funding paid.

http://aydansrecovery.blogspot.com/

From: mbrookh <mbrookh@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: is son-rise treatment a scam?

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 5:19 PM

 

We did not participate in the program but I will be forever thankful that

'Son-Rise' by kaufman was one of the first books I came across following all the

dismal medical proclamations. It details the Kaufman's day to day work in

helping/healing their son - diet, non stimulatory environment to relearn

skills[the bathroom!], their need for helpers and how they trained them, etc.

It's full of good ideas. It opened my perspective and gave me hope in the 1980s

when all were nay sayers.

>

> No, not a scam. Get their free DVDs and watch them to learn more about it or

read " Son-Rise " by Barry Neil Kaufman about their recovery of their own son,

Raun. I volunteered in two Son-Rise programs, which were significantly

different because the commitment of the parents differed significantly. It's

not for everyone. I also volunteered at Option (not in the Son-Rise program)

for 4 months.

>

>

> is son-rise treatment a scam?

> Posted by: " S " webshopping2009@... webshopping2009

> Wed Mar 9, 2011 10:54 am (PST)

>

> Hey just curious if anyone has dealt with these people before. I call to talk

to someone. they say they have a free consultation. then when you call up -you

talk to an appt setter who opens an account for you? wants all your contact

info, name address email, etc... and childs name, date of birth, etc... before

you ever even get to talk to someone about whether or not its a match or a

possibility. SOUNDS FISHY!! Unfortunately, i had already been sold on the idea

by the website info and was willing to spend the money for treatment and

training but now i am too concerned to move ahead. Its sounds like some big

sales gimmick- i felt really uncomfortable like it was a scam

> shannon

>