Bacteria

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Dear Nelly,

Thank you for this article. I will be sending it to lyme-aidonelist.

This is very informative article, scary as it might be!

Take care and keep posting!

Christie

At 12:00 AM 10/18/99 +0200, you wrote:

>From: " Jacques & Nelly " <janel@...>

>

>

>

>This is a GREAT article on bacteria, I downloaded it in text format and

>printed it and I learnt a lot about spirochetes and bacteriae in general and

>all the tricks they can pull to fulfill their karmic " raison d'etre " ie to

>make us very ill and get away with it!

>In my opinion, very thought provoking, all doctors should read it, and we

>know they won't, so WE should!

>

>http://www.radio.cbc.ca/programs/ideas/shows/bacteria/bacteria.html

>

>Good reading and let me know what you think

>

>Nelly

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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In a message dated 8/30/00 12:43:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

sajelusi@... writes:

<<

Would it help if one added Vit E to body oils in order to preserve it? Would

that be a natural antibacterial?

What do you think?

>>

There are two basic preservation concerns: 1) microbes like bacteria and

fungus that for the most part will grow in water or a mixture of water and

something else, and 2) rancidity in oils. Vitamin E isn't an antibacterial

agent, but some people use it to protect and preserve oils against rancidity.

There are others like Rosemary Oil Extract and some synthetics. As far as

microbes, like bacteria and the fungus/mold problem......opinion varies.

Some people use GSE (I don't believe it works), some people use potassium

sorbate/sodium benzoate, some people use other synthetic preservatives like

we have been discussing. But vitamin E will not prevent the bacterial growth

that we are all concerned about.

Angie

[Guest guest]

>

>Would it help if one added Vit E to body oils in order to preserve it?

>Would that be a natural antibacterial?

>What do you think?

>

Hi :

Vitamin E (tocopherol) and Rosemary Oil Extract are both natural

antioxidants- they slow rancidity somewhat but they aren't

preservatives. Vitamin E also doesn't survive saponification, but ROE

might. Either could be added to a body oil or the oily phase of a lotion,

or bath salts/bombs but only rancidity would be affected- not bacteria.

Tamara Zyganiuk

www.spellboundbotanicals.com

July 1 Issue of " The Spellbinder " is Online NOW

Coming soon: " Spellbound Botanicals " E-store

[Guest guest]

I have some receipes that call to add Tea Tree oil to prevent bacteria.

Castra

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Would it help if one added Vit E to body oils in order to preserve it? Would

that be a natural antibacterial?

What do you think?

[Guest guest]

- this thinking is not unusual - which is why so many are prescribed

antibiotics for candida!! Just " think " of that one - the antibiotics create

tons more communes of yeastie beasties! Most people do not realize it is

fungal.

wendy

Bacteria

Well,

Today in my nutrition class our instructor was

telling us about nutrition and the correlation to

immune function. She claimed that " harmful bacteria,

like yeast " , could be a problem in your intestines due

poor nutriton. Bacteria? Last time I checked, it was

FUNGAL. I got really mad, because the world knows so

little about candida, and the only info they are

getting is misinformation. You think you could trust a

college professor to know what they're talking about,

but I've learned otherwise. But what can you expect

from a woman that thinks the only cause of asthma is

milk and milk alone? Yeast is considered fungal only,

right? Is it bacterial in some forms?

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I thought this is clearer than I could be:

2.1 What is Candida albicans?

Candida albicans, is an opportunistic yeast that normally inhabits the

mouth, throat, intestines and genitourinary tract of most humans and is

usually considered to be a

normal part of the bowel flora (the organisms that coexist with us

in our lower digestive tract). Its job is to recognize and destroy harmful

bacteria. Without Candida

albicans in our intestines we would be defenseless against many pathogen

bacteria. In a healthy person, Candida albicans is numbered in millions.

It is controlled by a

properly functioning immune system and "friendly" bacteria. However,

if the number of friendly bacteria is decreased (antibiotics), the immune

systems is weakened or

other conditions for yeast proliferation occur (diet high in sugar,

improper pH in the digestive system) Candida albicans will shift from

yeast to mycelial fungal

form and

start to invade the body. In the yeast state Candida is a

non-invasive, sugar-fermenting organism, while in fungal state it is invasive

and can produce rhizoids, very long

root-like structures. Rhizoids can penetrate mucosa or intestinal

walls, leaving microscopic holes and allowing toxins, undigested food particles

and bacteria and yeast to

enter the bloodstream. These condition is known as Leaky Gut Syndrome

(LGS) and that is an explanation for food and environmental allergies.

from the Candidia FAQ 2.0

http://www.infosky.net/~alexmi/candida.htm#2.1

Me You wrote:

Well,

Today in my nutrition class our instructor was

telling us about nutrition and the correlation to

immune function. She claimed that "harmful bacteria,

like yeast", could be a problem in your intestines due

poor nutriton. Bacteria? Last time I checked, it was

FUNGAL. I got really mad, because the world knows so

little about candida, and the only info they are

getting is misinformation. You think you could trust a

college professor to know what they're talking about,

but I've learned otherwise. But what can you expect

from a woman that thinks the only cause of asthma is

milk and milk alone? Yeast is considered fungal only,

right? Is it bacterial in some forms?

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[Guest guest]

I see your point, candida is fungus because of the way it grows

and behaves. I don't know how the M.D.'s reference is to this,

they may group things altogether and use the term bacteria.

My mother had an umbilical hernia surgery and the surgeon told

me that when they opened her up she had allot of bacteria in her

gut, ALLOT! I didn't understand what that was or why it was

there, I drew a blank back then. Now that I am here where I am

I picture this event and wish I knew something to ask more questions.

When I first visited this doctor that I am seeing now, I had a stool

test done from Great Smokies Lab. It showed no yeast but I

had a form of pneumonia bacteria in my bowel. So serious bowel

bacteria can exist here. What I don't know is, did my mother have

yeast overgrowth or was it really bacteria. I know they did no test

on it to see what kind it was so I attribute it to yeast.

LIZ D

Bacteria

Well,

Today in my nutrition class our instructor was

telling us about nutrition and the correlation to

immune function. She claimed that "harmful bacteria,

like yeast", could be a problem in your intestines due

poor nutriton. Bacteria? Last time I checked, it was

FUNGAL. I got really mad, because the world knows so

little about candida, and the only info they are

getting is misinformation. You think you could trust a

college professor to know what they're talking about,

but I've learned otherwise. But what can you expect

from a woman that thinks the only cause of asthma is

milk and milk alone? Yeast is considered fungal only,

right? Is it bacterial in some forms?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sandy,

I really feel for your frustrations!! I have been having very similar

problems myself....i.e. I have 3 speeds: Slow, Slower, and Slowest. I am

always having trouble getting enough energy to get to where I need to go. I

have also missed a lot of Dr.'s appts. My husband and my son get so mad at

me. I usually end up going no where fast....seems to be easier at the

moment. What types of symptoms and problems are you having?

> Hi Guys,

>

> You can't imagine how uncool I feel. Would you please tell me how to

> look up " <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< " . Thanks

>

> Is there anyone who has bacteria of the face or are you all closet

> bacteria carriers of the face? If there are any further tips anyone

> would care to share before I RIP my face off, please let me know.

> Didn't mean to capitalise ?that. I SPIlled a coke (shuuu) on my key

> board today.

>

> Thank God for the latest info. on our brains. The last 3 years just

> keep on getting more & more horrible for me. I can't get anywhere on

> time. I tried to get a shrink but I missed 3 appointments with him

> so I let him be free of me. He tried hard. I think he thought I was

> cute. My parents wouldn't let me come to dinner anymore because I was

> always late, & one night I was an hour late. last Pain Management I

> missed because I was just too fat though, and it took 3 costumes

> before I was ready & but that doesn't count. Nevertheless, it seams

> I am now missing more appointments than I make. Oh God I need a

> shrink really bad. The fact that we can get lost and think in 2

> places instead of one is sort of a relief or it explains my problem

> unless I'm really confused. Now, hopefully everyone will quit

> screaming at me. Gezz, I " D THROW IN THE rag in a minute but it's

> just not couth in my family. You have to suffer forever and ever.

> NOBody really cares, Kinda like the black olives on a pizza.

>

> I'm having a harder and harder time getting to bed. That's probably

> because I don't care, but is anyone else having this prob. all of a

> sudden? Well, actually I do care because my husband won't quit

> screaming at me. I don't do anything on purpose. I just get slower

> as each minute passes by.

>

> Guess, honestly speaking, I really dam these Drs. & them pushing

> antibiotics on us to kill the bacteria. How in the world could they

> be so ignorant? In my case I wasn't offered anything in addition to

> the antibiotic. It's like they steal my minutes and weeks and months

> as though I hand them out for free to be abused. Now that this

> garbage has finally spread to my hands and feet, maybe I can get some

> attention. I always looked nice when I went to the Dr. From now on

> I'm going as a grub worm. I hope this has been educational & not off

> topic. I can't recall any discussions on what bacteria is really like

> and I left out the teeth part. Onless anyone is really interested

> though, that's getting really gross. Getting depressed - Sandy

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Dave

I was very interested in seeing the pics of your blood cells and the possible

bacteria.

Thank you for posting them on the web.. what an excellent idea! Maybe we

should all do the same, to discover whether we have anything in common?

I could not say whether it shows abnormalities, as I am not an expert. Maybe

we all should do a crash course in blood interpretation? It would be great if

we could all see for ourselves what is going on in our own bodies.

Please excuse me but I have not been following your previous postings, but am

interested to know where you got the photos done? Who is your specialist?

I don't know where to get tested for staph toxins. Did you ask your doctor?

Why do you think you have staph toxins?

Thanks again for posting the pics, and I hope you find some answers soon.

(in UK near London)

[Guest guest]

Dave,

Very impressive. I know the fellow in Australia too, who has the same

dx. His doctor has finally come round to his way of thinking. He'd

probably love to talk to you. Wish we could find some open minded

doctors here in the states.

penny

> Hi folks

>

> Well, I saw the specialist yesterday, and he's gradually being

brought

> around the the thought of very low grade bacterial infection being

at

> the rout of a major subset of PWC's. What we got tested at the time

> was the high powered microscopy, of which I have some piccies on

some

> webspace............

> http://www.jwdl16105.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cocci/rbc1.jpg

> http://www.jwdl16105.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cocci/rbc2.jpg

>

> The big circles are the red blood cells, and the little dots on the

> rbc are most probably bacteria. On rbc2.jpg, on the righthand edge

of

> the topleft image, there is a faint outline, something like a

minature

> magic wand. When we were viewing this on the screen, this was

> actually spinning along, and the doc said it was diplococci. I had

a

> few of these as well. I'm hoping to get the vhs of the microscope

> examination onto cd later, and I'll maybe get some mpg's on my

> webspace.

> The doc was willing to try me again on the abx I tried before

> (flucloxacillin) since I had a positive response to it before, but

we

> are going to try and get some more testing done first to identify

> better what's going on.

>

> Anyone got any ideas where to get testing done for staph toxins in

the

> UK?

>

> Cheers,

>

> Dave.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Ambrotose from Mannatech has essential sugars in it. One of their

functions is to fill up receptor sites in bacteria, that the

critters use for adhesion. That done, they can not stick to your

cells and replicate and are soon flushed from the system. One great

example is cranberry juice for urinary tract infections. (contains

mannose)

The science is searchable, located at:

http://glycoscience.com

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

>

> Do bacteria like C. Diff, Klebsiella, Enterococcus, etc. like sugar,

grains, and yeast also?

==>C. diffile does, but I haven't looked up the others. I know cancer

loves sugar and high carbs and low oxygen just like candida. I think

there is an article " Cancer Loves Sugar " on my website. I'm not on my

own computer so it's not easy to navigate and find it for you.

Bee

[Guest guest]

If we have bacteria, wouldn't antibiotics be helful?

Deb

[Guest guest]

My son has been on antibiotics for 3 years. It has eliminated many of his

autistic symptoms. He was an unhappy kid with no receptive language and little

response to the world. He is now happy and way above average in receptive

language and intelligence. It did not help with speech or social interest.

>

> If we have bacteria, wouldn't antibiotics be helful?

> Deb

>

[Guest guest]

It can be, but it kills the good bacteria as well, which creates its own set of

problems.

Karla

>

> If we have bacteria, wouldn't antibiotics be helful?

> Deb

>

[Guest guest]

>

> If we have bacteria, wouldn't antibiotics be helful?

> Deb

>

In the short run, possibly. In the long run, they are hard on the body. I have

a compromised immune system and prophylactic antibiotics are a fairly common

practice with my condition. I've worked hard on getting my body to fend for

itself and have gotten off all the drugs I used to take. While on medication, I

was severely impaired by the drug side effects. If you absolutely have no other

way to cope, antibiotics are better than, say, dying of infection. But this

list is a rich source of effective non-drug treatments for infection. So you

have alternatives.

Some things I have done:

I took a combo of vitamin A, vitamin E and OLE daily for about 2 years to clean

up a backlog of multiple infections, both viral and bacterial.

Worked on PH balance.

Took OoO from time to time to treat fungal problems and to treat certain lung

infections.

Treated nutritional deficiencies " symptomatically " until they cleared up. I

found this was a critical piece of the puzzle in terms of getting the body to

fend for itself.

Good luck.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

[Guest guest]

Michele,

How can I work on his Ph balance? He has a lot of gas which causes rage. I

think the gas is in his colon. Would balancing his Ph help with that?

Deb

> >

> > If we have bacteria, wouldn't antibiotics be helful?

> > Deb

> >

>

>

> In the short run, possibly. In the long run, they are hard on the body. I

have a compromised immune system and prophylactic antibiotics are a fairly

common practice with my condition. I've worked hard on getting my body to fend

for itself and have gotten off all the drugs I used to take. While on

medication, I was severely impaired by the drug side effects. If you absolutely

have no other way to cope, antibiotics are better than, say, dying of infection.

But this list is a rich source of effective non-drug treatments for infection.

So you have alternatives.

>

> Some things I have done:

>

> I took a combo of vitamin A, vitamin E and OLE daily for about 2 years to

clean up a backlog of multiple infections, both viral and bacterial.

>

> Worked on PH balance.

>

> Took OoO from time to time to treat fungal problems and to treat certain lung

infections.

>

> Treated nutritional deficiencies " symptomatically " until they cleared up. I

found this was a critical piece of the puzzle in terms of getting the body to

fend for itself.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.com

> http://www.kidslikemine.com

> http://www.solanorail.com

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Michele,

> How can I work on his Ph balance? He has a lot of gas which causes rage. I

think the gas is in his colon. Would balancing his Ph help with that?

> Deb

>

>

I've got a little info here (and note there are four more pages in this

section):

http://healthgazelle.com/ph.shtml

I have a great deal less gas than I used to have. For me and my sons,

correcting PH balance has generally helped with gut issues and with infection.

We also did a lot of other things for the gut (especially for me), so I can't

say how much can be attributed to PH balance specifically. My issue was I was

very highly acid. The typical American diet is too acid, so that is the usual

issue. Some folks use test strips and test the saliva and/or urine. I never

did that. I just monitored how I felt. For me, a very acid stomach increased

lung inflammation (a major issue with my genetic disorder), so I monitored those

two things to track it.

One thing that was tricky was trying to make sure the stomach remained acidic

enough to digest food properly while reducing overall acidity. (If you over do

it, you can correct it pretty safely and quickly by drinking orange juice. In

extreme cases, an over-alkaline stomach can lead to vomiting.) I found that

topical treatments (like diet tonic water) and alkaline solid foods were very

helpful with that aspect of it. Drinking very alkaline liquids is the thing that

is easiest to overdo in that regard. I ate a lot of lettuce, apples, corn and

watermelon. Those are foods I tolerate well that are good for PH balance. My

understanding is that the three most alkalinizing foods are lettuce, celery and

cucumbers. I don't tolerate cucumbers well. They are high phenol and I seem to

not do well with high phenol foods. There are links on my PH balance page to

lists of which foods are alkaline and which are acid. The lists don't all

uniformly agree, but they are a starting place. Apples are another excellent

food for this because they are the same PH balance that human skin is supposed

to be. So they help correct PH balance without over-correcting. I kind of

suspect this is where we get the saying " An apple a day keeps the doctor away. "

(Most apples are high phenol. I eat Granny apples almost exclusively. My

understanding is they are the only apple type that is not high phenol.)

Also, if there is a deficiency of any of the alkaline minerals (such as

magnesium or calcium), treating that will help with PH balance. A good quality,

high brine sea salt helps with PH balance and mineral balance. A high brine sea

salt contains a mix of minerals and micronutrients and does good things for the

body. It also specifically does good things for the gut because the gut is

lined with mucus and salt is a major component of mucus. Sea salt was a key

thing to help get me and my oldest son off prescription digestive enzymes. It

didn't do it by itself but was an important contributing factor.

Eating the right fats/oils was also important. I gave up peanut oil at some

point. It is very pro-inflammatory/acidifying, apparently due to being high in

Arachidonic Acid (AA) (though there is conflicting info on that -- some sources

say it is high in Arachidic Acid instead). Corn oil isn't quite as bad. It

doesn't contain AA but contains some other acid that is readily synthesized into

AA. I find that I can't have very much corn oil either, in spite of doing very

well with eating corn. I mostly stick with organic butter these days. (If you

are gfcf, coconut oil is also good and ghee -- clarified butter -- should be

safe.)

HTH.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com