help with tummy :(

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them not

working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his stomach

exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is going on ?

We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified nutritionist and

keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I dont know what to

do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

[Guest guest]

Any constipation? Bloating for my son was bacteria. He looked like a budda

statue and was chronically constipated until we dealt with the bacteria. It

could also be yeast. Have you done a stool test (CDSA) or an Organic Acid test?

Those would tell you if yeast or bacteria are issues.

Karla

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> Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them not

working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his stomach

exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is going on ?

We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified nutritionist and

keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I dont know what to

do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

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[Guest guest]

weve done an OATs test and stool testing no bacteria or yeast..I just dont get

it ...I do havto make him poop...with suppositories..magnesium and vit c doesnt

seem to help.We have done many antifungals, from ampho B, to difflucan for a

year and a half. We do no fruits or nuts, scd dist with rotation.

I feel like giving up..his imbs are soooo thin barely any muscle, and stomach

looks huge. I cant see him suffer..

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> > Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them

not working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his

stomach exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is

going on ? We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified

nutritionist and keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I

dont know what to do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

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[Guest guest]

How did you get rid of the bacteria? I'm using Olive Leaf Extract but boy does

it cause die off. I'm not sure whether it's strong enough and I'm almost

thinking about asking Dr for an antibiotic. What did you use?

Deb

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> > Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them

not working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his

stomach exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is

going on ? We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified

nutritionist and keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I

dont know what to do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

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[Guest guest]

Sacc b andlots of probiotics. Some have also found kefir helpful.

Karla

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> > > Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them

not working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his

stomach exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is

going on ? We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified

nutritionist and keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I

dont know what to do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

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[Guest guest]

well for bacteria, we used the body ecology kefir than started with the SCD

diet, plus lots and lots and lots of probiotics ....

but tummy still horrible ? this is very hard to do...maybe inflammation, we do

igg testing every 6 months...

he is sensitive to phenols ...as i really wanted to do an Anti-inflammatory,

like enhansa...Iam stumped rite about now

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> > > Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them

not working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his

stomach exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is

going on ? We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified

nutritionist and keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I

dont know what to do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

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[Guest guest]

Same thing here my daughter didn't have any bacteria show up on the OAT test but

had a small amount of yeast..we treated with Difulcan. She hardly eats

and ALWAYS has a bloated belly. Did you ever check titers? This is just my

thought my daughter has high titers for MMR really really high for Rubella 385.3

and I am just wondering if that's why she has a bloated belly. In the book

Healing and Preventing Autism in the chapter on viruses they talk about the

measles hanging out in the gut and causing inflammation. They are described as

being like a canker sore in your mouth.My daughter also needs help to have a

daily bowel movement.

Anyway I am going to try the high Vitamin A protocol and see what happens(if her

belly goes down)..with the help of my dan Dr Usman.

Another question for you does your child chew/bite on anything?My daughter has

done this since her MMR I have been told that it was due to a lack of Zinc

which

she takes and also because of yeast but even then she was on Difulcan she was

still doing it.I think that she is doing it because she is in pain and when her

measles flare maybe that's when I am seeing more of the chewing/biting. But of

course I haven't been able to find anyone else who agrees but I am hoping after

the high Vitamin A then I should see it stop.I am just wondering if there is a

connection with her chewing/biting, her bloated belly and the high titers.

Every time she gets into the bath I want to cry, small skinny legs and this big

bloated belly..looks like is 9 months along. 's active aloe I was told can

help with inflammation....I think that whole foods carrys it.

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From: marium <mariummujtaba@...>

Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 6:02:36 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: help with tummy

 

weve done an OATs test and stool testing no bacteria or yeast..I just dont get

it ...I do havto make him poop...with suppositories..magnesium and vit c doesnt

seem to help.We have done many antifungals, from ampho B, to difflucan for a

year and a half. We do no fruits or nuts, scd dist with rotation.

I feel like giving up..his imbs are soooo thin barely any muscle, and stomach

looks huge. I cant see him suffer..

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> > Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them

>not working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his

>stomach exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is

>going on ? We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified

>nutritionist and keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I

>dont know what to do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

> >

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[Guest guest]

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> Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them not

working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his stomach

exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is going on ?

We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified nutritionist and

keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I dont know what to

do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

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Some things I've done to help heal the gut and get off enzymes:

Combo of glyconutrients, coconut oil, and Celtic sea salt.

Gelatin. I made a hot drink with melted gelatin and fruit juice, but for a

child that young, I would be inclined to make Knox Blox using fruit juice and

maybe fresh fruit or something in it. Something very kid appealing but still

healthy.

Lots and lots of potato starch. I made potato soup daily for a time. If the kid

won't eat potato soup, you could try homemade mashed potatoes or German potato

balls.

Lettuce. I ate great quantities of lettuce for some months.

Probiotics. I consumed these in the form of organic yogurt but if you are GFCF,

you can get probiotic supplements.

Good luck with this.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

[Guest guest]

> Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them not

working

Enzymes did not help my son with a few foods, including rice, corn, fats, and

carotene foods [everything orange and green, a few reds and yellows].

>>or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his stomach

exapnds soo much ,

This was yeast at my house, and food intolerance.

>>I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is going on ? We are doing a

meat ,veges and good fat diet.

My son did not tolerate fats until I gave him mito cocktail. I wrote what he

needed here

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Which enzymes are you using? Are you using houston's? Is your son GFCF and soy

and corn free (those two are super common crossallergens with gluten and

casein)? If he's not off all grains, I'd try a no grain diet and see what

happens. I'd also look at a total elimination diet to see what else are suspects

for your son (if you haven't already done some food sensitivity tracking, that

is). Some meats/eggs are very problematic for kids with impaired

digestion/vaccine/merc related issues--eggs (because antibiotics and many vax

are grown on chicken eggs), chicken (for same reason), turkey (similar reason).

Have you tried just grassfed bison and lamb for a week or two (grass fed, don't

tend to be genetically modified, and young animals have built up less toxic

levels of medications). I personally wouldn't go to a GI doctor. But that's me.

There's a book Diet Wise that will guide you thru the maze of food allergies.

It's not the ultimate solution--I believe the chelation is the solution--but it

can help make life more agreeable when living with a constipated child.

We haven't been long on the enzymes, but I wanted to offer my experience so far.

I now see that DS had wicked die-off for the first 3 mos on Houston's Nofenol. I

tried and tried to introduce Trienza but we then had constipation worse than

he's ever had.

So on the advice of others here, I then added GSE. That helped with the

rashiness and a little with the constipation.

i really think introducing enzymes is an art form. I introduced nofenol in tiny

fingernail sized increases over about 2 mos (that's how slow I have to go with

introducing anything to DS). Trienza and/or AFP chewables were sooooo

constipating, even in fingernail doses, I backed off it entirely till further

notice.

I ended up with a cap and a half per meal of Nofenol, but rashiness came back.

Only when I added the GSE did we get even a little bit of progress with

eliminating the constipation. Rashiness continued for a month or two, possibly

three.

Again at the advice of others here, I added magnesium (houston's chelated

magnesium--i grind up the cap and added it in same way till I got to about 1/8

of a tab 2 meals a day). Fantastic regular pooping. Now I can give 1 cap Nofenol

and I can even give Trienza a coupla times a day, and still we have fab pooping.

So my observation, purely from our experience so far, is that if the kid already

has a constipation tendency (and no other obvious causes, tho I think parasites

is a big issue), Nofenol increasing doses, with GSE, works, but there's a big

die-off period where it looks like the enzymes aren't working. They're working,

it's just a healing crisis (Herxheimer reaction) rather than a " health crisis. "

I think the trick is to assist the healing crisis to pass quickly and safely for

the kid. Hence the magnesium and GSE. I am looking forward to exploring the OLE

and OoO.

Another observation--magnesium in the right doses is GONNA make the kid poop

easily. It's just an art form finding the right dose. Persistence over a period

of days and weeks is necessary, and a quasi-scientific approach to increasing

doses--ie don't try all different things/take it away then give it the next day,

but rather increase very slowly over time, but not the enzyme for gluten and

casein first. That one is horrendously constipating.

We're still mid parasite cleanse--I do believe we are the poopingest family

right now. Even the dog is taking huge poops. Baby's doing them too. DH is

looking pretty peaky, but also eliminating enormously. I'm definitely passing

things I didn't eat!

best wishes, and thanks to all who gave advice on the enzymes and how to deal

with the other symptoms. Son went thru a massive growth spurt in the 4th and

5th months of enzymes. Grew 2 inches. Now I understand the month of waking in

the night for eating smoothies! He was able to digest more and he wanted to

catch up!

Fiona

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> Hello everyone ...Iam so tired of giving my son enzymes with food and them not

working or something is going on . He is 4 1/2 and everytime he eats his stomach

exapnds soo much , I look at him and want to cry everytime. What is going on ?

We are doing a meat ,veges and good fat diet. Iam a Certified nutritionist and

keep his diet very clean. there has to be a bigger problem. I dont know what to

do. Ahould I go to a GI doctor?

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