Guest guest Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I do not believe ACE does much for pain directly although indirectly helping the body handle stress (physical and emotional)can affect pain. You might look into thyroid issues as hypothyroid can cause general body pain along with other symptoms. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ If this treatment is for a child, hydro cortisone isn't generally recommended. ACE supports the adrenal gland allowing it to produce more cortisol it doesn't actually contain any HC. ACE is usually sufficient to treat adrenal fatigue in children once you find the optimum dose which can range from 1/2 cap-6 caps (or even 10caps in extreme cases). If this is for an adult or a post pubescent child then disregard what I have said. Tressie > > Is it possible that adrenal fatigue is causing pain in the upper abdomen and also rage? > Adrenal Cortex Extract is helping. > Is the goal to increase cortisone? Am I understanding correctly that hydrocortisone smeared on the body would be helpful? Deb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Mrboysmom,  Is your son holding his stomach, is he doubling over or applying pressure to his stomach area?  If so, it could be inflammation in his gut that's causing him pain. Boswellia (aka Indian insense) is a very good gut anti-inflammatory also very calming. Chrohns and Colitis and arthitis patients use it.  I use if for my arthritis. I also give it to my son.  It's an herb and it is very cheap on Amazon. We use Swansons brand.   Boswellia:  http://www.amazon.com/Boswellia-400-mg-100-Caps/dp/B00068UC9K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8\ & qid=1302796055 & sr=8-1  Boswellia to treat colitis:  http://www.colitisrecovery.com/ulcerative-colitis-boswellia-antiinflammatory  http://altmedicine.about.com/od/digestivedisorders/a/Colitis_Remedy.htm From: mrboysmom <misterboysmom@...> Subject: [ ] adrenal fatigue - pain, rage Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 10:33 AM  Is it possible that adrenal fatigue is causing pain in the upper abdomen and also rage? Adrenal Cortex Extract is helping. Is the goal to increase cortisone? Am I understanding correctly that hydrocortisone smeared on the body would be helpful? Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 sounds like gut inflammation...food allergy or parasites maybe. I don't know where you read that smearing HC on his body was helpful. That would actually raise his cortisol so it's something that has to be done with a lot of thought about how much and how often it's being done...and whether or not he needs it. I have suffered pretty significant adrenal fatigue and its never caused abdominal pain. However if I eat gluten...wowah...its like I ate glass. Rage could be high adrenaline or he's in pain and can't tell you. > > Is it possible that adrenal fatigue is causing pain in the upper abdomen and also rage? > Adrenal Cortex Extract is helping. > Is the goal to increase cortisone? Am I understanding correctly that hydrocortisone smeared on the body would be helpful? Deb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Yes, it's pain. It's not inflammation or allergy or parasites or gluten. If you have had significant adrenal fatigue how did you treat it? Deb > > > > Is it possible that adrenal fatigue is causing pain in the upper abdomen and also rage? > > Adrenal Cortex Extract is helping. > > Is the goal to increase cortisone? Am I understanding correctly that hydrocortisone smeared on the body would be helpful? Deb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 > > Yes, it's pain. It's not inflammation or allergy or parasites or gluten. If you have had significant adrenal fatigue how did you treat it? Deb > > Adrenals: Lysine, Celtic sea salt, wild yam extract, a product called " Plus " from Mannatech. Thyroid (which needs to be treated if there is adrenal fatigue): Coconut oil. Adrenals sit on top of the kidneys. I also ate tons of watermelon (pretty much daily for at least the hottest six months of the year for at least two years). It is excellent kidney support and did a lot for me generally. I also did what I could to detox my home to take some of the external stress off my overloaded system. Peace. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I asked listmates before, but I never got an answer. parden me, but coconut oil, are we talking about coconut oil that we use to cook? or is there supplement form? thanks, Kim [ ] Re: adrenal fatigue - pain, rage > > Yes, it's pain. It's not inflammation or allergy or parasites or gluten. If you have had significant adrenal fatigue how did you treat it? Deb > > Adrenals: Lysine, Celtic sea salt, wild yam extract, a product called " Plus " from Mannatech. Thyroid (which needs to be treated if there is adrenal fatigue): Coconut oil. Adrenals sit on top of the kidneys. I also ate tons of watermelon (pretty much daily for at least the hottest six months of the year for at least two years). It is excellent kidney support and did a lot for me generally. I also did what I could to detox my home to take some of the external stress off my overloaded system. Peace. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 You can buy it as a supplement. I did that at one time. It's cheaper and higher quality to buy organic coconut oil from your grocery store (or online if it isn't available locally). Taking it as a supplement is easier to manage dosing but if the child is not cooperative with that, put it in food. It is kind of a sweet oil, so lends itself well to baked goods. Some people complain that they don't like the taste in dinner foods. Some things I have done with it: Homemade flat bread (recipe: http://healthgazelle.com/flatbread.shtml). Add a spoonful to a pot of mashed potatoes. Use it to fry veggies on medium heat (it doesn't do well with high heat). I liked making crispy potato slices. I sometimes added carrots into that. I also would fry up slices of yucca until they were crispy. That's all I can think of right now. My diet was very limited when I was using coconut oil regularly. It can also be applied topically to the skin. My understanding is that it isn't really digested so much as absorbed in the digestive tract. (This is not the norm with oils.) It can also be absorbed through the skin. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > > > Yes, it's pain. It's not inflammation or allergy or parasites or gluten. If you have had significant adrenal fatigue how did you treat it? Deb > > > > > Adrenals: Lysine, Celtic sea salt, wild yam extract, a product called " Plus " from Mannatech. > Thyroid (which needs to be treated if there is adrenal fatigue): Coconut oil. > Adrenals sit on top of the kidneys. I also ate tons of watermelon (pretty much daily for at least the hottest six months of the year for at least two years). It is excellent kidney support and did a lot for me generally. > I also did what I could to detox my home to take some of the external stress off my overloaded system. > Peace. > Michele > http://www.healthgazelle.com > http://www.kidslikemine.com > http://www.solanorail.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Michele are you buying iodized sea salt? I don't want to reduce his iodine by moving completely to sea salt. I am currently using both kinds of salt. I am also giving Lysine although I did not know it supported the adrenals. Deb > > > > Yes, it's pain. It's not inflammation or allergy or parasites or gluten. If you have had significant adrenal fatigue how did you treat it? Deb > > > > > > Adrenals: Lysine, Celtic sea salt, wild yam extract, a product called " Plus " from Mannatech. > > Thyroid (which needs to be treated if there is adrenal fatigue): Coconut oil. > > Adrenals sit on top of the kidneys. I also ate tons of watermelon (pretty much daily for at least the hottest six months of the year for at least two years). It is excellent kidney support and did a lot for me generally. > > I also did what I could to detox my home to take some of the external stress off my overloaded system. > > Peace. > > Michele > http://www.healthgazelle.com > http://www.kidslikemine.com > http://www.solanorail.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Oh, thank you, I have been using coconut oil or extravirgin olive oil to cook, but I did not know about the supplements. My kids do not prefer much coconut oils, so it is very good to know. Do you know the proper dosage for 11 yr, 6 yr, and 5 yr old kids? thank you, Kim [ ] Re: adrenal fatigue - pain, rage You can buy it as a supplement. I did that at one time. It's cheaper and higher quality to buy organic coconut oil from your grocery store (or online if it isn't available locally). Taking it as a supplement is easier to manage dosing but if the child is not cooperative with that, put it in food. It is kind of a sweet oil, so lends itself well to baked goods. Some people complain that they don't like the taste in dinner foods. Some things I have done with it: Homemade flat bread (recipe: http://healthgazelle.com/flatbread.shtml). Add a spoonful to a pot of mashed potatoes. Use it to fry veggies on medium heat (it doesn't do well with high heat). I liked making crispy potato slices. I sometimes added carrots into that. I also would fry up slices of yucca until they were crispy. That's all I can think of right now. My diet was very limited when I was using coconut oil regularly. It can also be applied topically to the skin. My understanding is that it isn't really digested so much as absorbed in the digestive tract. (This is not the norm with oils.) It can also be absorbed through the skin. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > > > Yes, it's pain. It's not inflammation or allergy or parasites or gluten. If you have had significant adrenal fatigue how did you treat it? Deb > > > > > Adrenals: Lysine, Celtic sea salt, wild yam extract, a product called " Plus " from Mannatech. > Thyroid (which needs to be treated if there is adrenal fatigue): Coconut oil. > Adrenals sit on top of the kidneys. I also ate tons of watermelon (pretty much daily for at least the hottest six months of the year for at least two years). It is excellent kidney support and did a lot for me generally. > I also did what I could to detox my home to take some of the external stress off my overloaded system. > Peace. > Michele > http://www.healthgazelle.com > http://www.kidslikemine.com > http://www.solanorail.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 > > Michele are you buying iodized sea salt? I don't want to reduce his iodine by moving completely to sea salt. I am currently using both kinds of salt. I am also giving Lysine although I did not know it supported the adrenals. Deb > No. I apparently have a problem with iodine and that was one of my reasons for switching. Keep using both kinds of salt if that is working well. Our policy here was to consume as much sea salt as we craved. When it was clear to me that I really needed more salt but couldn't make myself take more orally with just water, I found that I absorbed it better when it was served with a health carb and the right oils/fats. For me, starchy potatoes worked well and we found that if we upped the amount of butter, we could up the amount of salt too and it didn't taste " too salty " it just tasted " strong " . I don't know if that will work for others or if that is specific to my genetic disorder. " Plus " is the best thing I ever used as adrenal support. It's from Mannatech, which is kind of a controversial company, but I used to buy it when I was a lot sicker. I no longer need that level of support and haven't bought it recently. You could try wild yam extract or, if he will eat it, lightly grilled or fried actual yams, assuming they are available at your grocery store. I used to make a few thick slices of yam, pineapple, onion, and a small steak on the Foreman grill we had at that time. I liked things lightly cooked because I didn't digest raw things well but I also needed the a nutritional value. I found that lightly grilled fruits and veggies worked well to meet both needs. (Though I cook the heck out of meat.) HTH. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com My kids' blog: http://www.vigaroe.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 > > Oh, thank you, > > I have been using coconut oil or extravirgin olive oil to cook, but I did not know about the supplements. My kids do not prefer much coconut oils, so it is very good to know. Do you know the proper dosage for 11 yr, 6 yr, and 5 yr old kids? > > thank you, > > Kim No, I don't know what doses they need. I was 245 pounds when I began taking it and I took one to two tablespoons a day or half a dozen or more pills. I later used less but that was where I started. You could try adjusting that number for the weight of each kid (ie 122 pounds = 1/2 to 1 tablespoon a day; 61 pounds equals 1/4 to 1/2 tablespoon a day -- or less) or start at a lower does and use that guideline as a potential ceiling and see how they respond. It can promote diarrhea, so might be better to start low and ramp up. The body needs time to absorb it and put it to use and start carting out the garbage. I know someone who started at a tablespoon with a toddler and had nightmarish diarrhea issues, the type where you shampoo the carpet and bathe the child. So be conservative. You can always add more later in the day if they need more and are tolerating it well but once it's in them you can't take it back. HTH. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com My kids' blog: http://www.vigaroe.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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