GSE

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What is GSE? For allergies? Or for yeast? Thanks, Vicki

>From: Valbeth <valbeth@...>

>

>I use GSE. Not sure it's helping Lyme- I'm terrible right now- but I love

the

>nose spray. I t also really helps my yeast problems. It's very inexpensive

>direct from Nutiteam.

>

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Hi Hope,

Researchers at Tulane University have classified GSE as an endocrine disruptor.

It works on reproductive systems. Basically, all plant life defends itselfs from

overgrazing (by ruminants, mostly) by putting out chemicals that interfere with

the normal operation of the animal's reproductive system. This usually slows

down the animals' ability to conceive, and thereby slows down whatever's eating

the plant out of existence.

Handling concentrated versions of GSE (such as the " preservative " variety) while

unprotected may cause endocrine disruption. Were I nursing, pregnant, or

thinking of becoming pg, or a partner in a pregnancy, I'd steer clear of the

stuff. Also, keep out of reach of children.

That's why I wouldn't use or sell the stuff. But you should ask the writer/s why

they don't recommend it, for the real skinny :-)

Cheers,

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Hello all! Another newbie (yay I spelled it right) question.

Was just using the fragrance calculator over at MMS. At the bottom of the

results page is says: " ...We do not use, or recommend the use of, grapefruit

seed extract in soap. "

Can anyone explain why?

Thanks

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At 02:52 AM 9/17/00 +0000, you wrote:

> ask yourself this: what in the world would make a dehydrated

>grapefruit seed suddenly have the capeability of preserving anything

>when in it's natural state, in a grapefruit, the fruit decays? Why

>does rehydrating it change anything?

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In a message dated 12/17/00 1:04:26 PM Central Standard Time,

libberty@... writes:

<< Just wondered what this is?? >> Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is a strong

antifungal. It should be diluted (directions on bottle) and can be bought at

healthfood stores or ordered on the 'net. A small bottle lasts a long time

and shouldn't cost more than $5 -$15. GSE can be used to gargle, swallow and

topically, but it is much too strong to use " straight " .

Tracey

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In a message dated 12/17/00 2:09:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, TFreyre@...

writes:

> Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is a strong

> antifungal. It should be diluted (directions on bottle) and can be bought

> at

> healthfood stores or ordered on the 'net. A small bottle lasts a long

time

> and shouldn't cost more than $5 -$15. GSE can be used to gargle, swallow

> and

> topically, but it is much too strong to use " straight " .

******Also comes in tablet form, made by Nutribiotic. I use the tablet,

myself.. No bad taste that way.

Lynn

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Iam glad i wasn't gung ho aboutthis as iam allergic to citrus. well not

lemon. very strange.

S. Is there something else that I can use?

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Re: GSE

In a message dated 12/17/00 1:04:26 PM Central Standard Time,

libberty@... writes:

<< Just wondered what this is?? >> Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is a strong

antifungal. It should be diluted (directions on bottle) and can be bought

at

healthfood stores or ordered on the 'net. A small bottle lasts a long time

and shouldn't cost more than $5 -$15. GSE can be used to gargle, swallow

and

topically, but it is much too strong to use " straight " .

Tracey

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At 08:35 AM 6/21/01 +0000, you wrote:

>How much grapefruit seed extract have you

>taken? How can I be shure when will kill my candida.

I used Grapefruit Seed extract in NONfat plain organice yogurt. about 10-15

drops then sweetened it with Stevia, and a few decaf coffee crystals. GSE

is very bitter, so watch out.

You will know when it is working because 1) you may feel MUCh worse

(herxmeimer reaction... yeast cells killing/dying off) or you may fee MUCH

better.. i.e., not so much fatigue, more energy, happier, calmier

disposition, and less anxious. Just MHO.

Jocelyn

ps I am finding if I miss my supplements, I wake up with swollen.. well not

swollen but " poked out " tummy, and " hard to wake up " feeling.. anyone else

have that? Last night I forgot to take my capryllic acid and my pau darco,

and I really noticed it. I must be just on the edge of " winning " the

candida thing... my diet is really close to perfect as can be expected, so

I just really need to focus on supplements, I guess.

[Guest guest]

>>There has been discussion about preservatives and for those of you looking

for a 'natural' preservative Grapefruit Seed Extract is the one. >>

Ravenna,

You might be interested in reading this. It's from this list.

Irma

" Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and

conscientious stupidity " -- Luther King, Jr.

Here are two studies which were posted in the Toiletries list on e-groups.

Pharmazie 1999 Jun;54(6):452-6

Aspects of the antimicrobial efficacy of grapefruit seed extract and its

relation to preservative substances contained. von Woedtke T, Schluter B,

Pflegel P, Lindequist U, Julich WD

Institute of Pharmacy, Ernst Moritz Arndt University, Greifswald, Germany.

The antimicrobial efficacy as well as the content of preservative agents of

six commercially available grapefruit seed extracts were examined. Five of

the six extracts showed a high growth inhibiting activity against the test

germs Bacillus subtilis SBUG 14, Micrococcus flavus SBUG 16, Staphylococcus

aureus SBUG 11, Serratia marcescens SBUG 9, Escherichia coli SBUG 17,

Proteus mirabilis SBUG 47, and Candida maltosa SBUG 700. In all of the

antimicrobial active grapefruit seed extracts, the preservative benzethonium

chloride was detected by thin layer chromatography. Additionally, three

extracts contained the preserving substances triclosan and methyl parabene.

In only one of the grapefruit seed extracts tested no preservative agent was

found. However, with this extract as well as with several self-made extracts

from seed and juiceless pulp of grapefruits (Citrus paradisi) no

antimicrobial activity could be detected (standard serial broth dilution

assay, agar diffusion test). THUS, IT IS CONCLUDED THAT THE POTENT AS WELL

AS NEARLY UNIVERSAL ANTIMICROBIAL ACTIVITY BEING ATTRIBUTED TO GRAPEFRUIT

SEED EXTRACT IS MERELY DUE TO THE SYNTHETIC PRESERVATIVE AGENTS CONTAINED

WITHIN. Natural products with antimicrobial activity do not appear to be

present.

PMID: 10399191, UI: 99327390

Eisei Shikenjo Hokoku 1996;(114):38-42

[Analysis of components in natural food additive " grapefruit seed extract "

by HPLC and LC/MS]. Sakamoto S, Sato K, Maitani T, Yamada T

The components in a commercial natural food additive " Grapefruit seed

extract " and the ethanol extract of grapefruit seeds were analyzed by HPLC

and LC/MS. The HPLC chromatogram of the commercial grapefruit seed extract

was quite different from that of the ethanol extract of grapefruit seeds.

Three main peaks were observed in the chromatogram of the commercial

grapefruit seed extract. By comparison of the retention times and the

absorption spectra with those of authentic samples, two peaks were ascribed

to methyl-p-hydroxybenzoate and 2,4,4'-trichloro-2'-hydroxydiphenylether

(triclosan). Triclosan was also identified by LC/MS by using the negative

electrospray ionization method.

PMID: 9037863, UI: 97189748

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In a message dated 11/8/02 10:41:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

clicker@... writes:

<< You can find quite a bit of

information about it across the 'net. Some people use it to

sterilize their growing sprouts, and prevent mold. >>

i think i will get me some of this! i have mold problems with my

wheatgrass---thanks!

[Guest guest]

sherry,

Can you share the process of making your own GSE? I would really like to

know the process.

TIA Marcia

-- Re:GSE

In my own experience, I have found GSE as effective as any other in

retarding " mold " . However, I make my own so that does make a difference. If

you live in an area that grows Grapefuit you can easily make your own more

potent GSE>

Sherry

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Ah the never ending debate about GSE. Some will tell you it works great,

other will tell you that it is the preseratives in the GSE (that are put in

commerically) that are doing the work.

I have dropped GSE, and I use Germban II. Never have a problem.

Thats just my opinon

Carol

Can anyone tell me if GSE is ok to use as a presv. to prevent cooties

growing in my stuff or keeping things from going rancid. Or do I

need something stronger. What are the pros and cons of using GSE vs.

somthing else?

[Guest guest]

A lady I knew from the thyroiditis egroup said it landed her in the hospital. But she also said that she called the company, which admitted that the GSE product didn't actually contain GSE at all! For what that's worth ...Kari Trautman <karitrautman@...> wrote:

I just recently tried GSE (grapefruit seed extract) on my daughter. It is a bit controversial for being too strong of an anti-fungal and can often take out good bacteria too along with inviting bad bacteria, but many parents swear by it for their kids. With a school break we planned for the worst, die-off and all, and surprisingly had no die-off and I really think it helped while she took it for the 5 days. Then I stopped because I also read that if the liver is slow to detox during the phase I function this will harm the liver-don't want that.

If anyone has positive/negative stories with GSE please let me know.

Thanks,

Kari

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Kari - I've been using gse (Citricidal) for about 4 or 5 months now.

First when I took it, i started off with too high a dose (5 drops

twice a day) and had serious die-off problems (nausea, constipation,

etc...). Because of that I dropped back to 2 drops twice a day and

have since worked up to 5 drops 2x day. I find it works very well,

but just make sure you don't overdo it on the dosage, just play with

it to see what you and your daughter can handle. k.

> I just recently tried GSE (grapefruit seed extract) on my

daughter. It is a bit controversial for being too strong of an anti-

fungal and can often take out good bacteria too along with inviting

bad bacteria, but many parents swear by it for their kids. With a

school break we planned for the worst, die-off and all, and

surprisingly had no die-off and I really think it helped while she

took it for the 5 days. Then I stopped because I also read that if

the liver is slow to detox during the phase I function this will harm

the liver-don't want that.

> If anyone has positive/negative stories with GSE please let me know.

> Thanks,

> Kari

[Guest guest]

Just wondering about GSE, is that grape seed extract or grapefruit seed extract?

[Guest guest]

Re: GSE

> Just wondering about GSE, is that grape seed extract or grapefruit seed

> extract?

If you are referring to the thread I started, it is grapefruit seed

extract.

Alobar

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Debbie,

It is confusing and I am glad that you asked.

I can't speak for the others, but I am referring to

Grapefruit SEED extract (the NASTY stuff) whenever I

use the term " GSE " .

--- Debbie Sturgill <dsturgi@...> wrote:

> Just wondering about GSE, is that grape seed extract

> or grapefruit seed extract?

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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It would be nice to know exactly which products they examined

and the results of each. I followed the link and those within,

but did not find this data.

Thanks,

-

> Just ran across an interesting anti-GSE article and wanted input if

anyone

> is willing..

> http://www.terressentials.com/truthaboutgse.html

>

> Excerpt:

> " The antimicrobial efficacy as well as the content of preservative

agents of

> six commercially grapefruit seed extracts were examined. Five of

the six

> extracts showed a high growth-inhibiting activity against the test

germs. In

> all of the antimicrobial active grapefruit seed extracts, the

preservative

> benzethonium chloride was detected by thin layer chromatography.

> Additionally, three extracts contained the preserving substances

triclosan

> and methyl paraben. In only one of the grapefruit seed extracts

tested no

> preservative agent was found. However, with this extract as well as

with

> several self-made extracts from seed and juiceless pulp of

grapefruits

> (Citrus paradisi), no antimicrobial activity could be detected.

Thus, it is

> concluded that the potent as well as nearly universal antimicrobial

activity

> being attributed to grapefruit seed extract is merely due to the

synthetic

> preservative agents contained within. Natural products with

antimicrobial

> activity do not appear to be present. "

>

> Further, the USDA did a grapefruit seed extract study and declared,

> " Confirming an earlier study by researchers in Germany we found

that some

> commercial grapefruit seed extracts contain benzethonium chloride, a

> synthetic antimicrobial agent commonly used in cosmetics and only

approved

> for topical use, at relatively high levels of 8%. "

>

> -Sharon, NH

> Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you

will

> have plenty to eat.

[Guest guest]

Hi

It's bothered me so I'm continued to try to get to the bottom of it. Some

sites provide information about particular brands of GSE as having gone

through testing and coming up " clean " . They also indicate that they believe

the article I posted was the result of a " false positive " by the German

Company, and in the US during their testing. This seems yet another case of

" have to spend hours researching to get to the bottom of it. " . Here's an

excerpt of a rebuttal to the GSE being harmful:

" What about rumours of Chemicals in GSE? Newsgroups and email groups have

received postings to the effect that GSE contains Triclosan, Benzelthonium

Chloride, or Methyl Paraben. The source of this type of report comes from

both Germany(Here is the PubMed reference to the German Report) and Japan,

where Citricidal is not approved for human consumption. A more recent attack

on GSE can be found at this link. The reason is that Citricidal is very

similar in molecular weight to both Benzelthonium Chloride and Triclosan,

both of which are effective disinfectants, but are toxic to human and animal

life. In Germany their test for BC, Triclosan, and M.Paraben comes up

positive(which is more correctly called a " false positive " ) and in Japan,

the same is happening for Triclosan. USDA found benzelthonium chloride in

its 2001 test. Was this a simple error or a deliberate attempt to scare

people away from Citricidal and Nutribiotic products? Meanwhile, Citricidal

has been tested for the presence of these toxins by independent labs, and

has been proven clean. (Ex: Weston Gulf Coast Laboratories, Inc., University

Park, IL, test completed in March of 1992. Tested for heavy metals,

Cyanides, Pesticides and PCBs and Benzelkonium Chloride. Results: None

Detected.) In fact, the accusations about triclosan(used in many dish and

hand soaps in the US) became so frequent a few years ago, that Citricidal

began specifically testing each batch of GSE for its absense, and providing

a Certificate of Analysis to that effect. The truth is, Citricidal is not

only effective, it has been in use for many years. If these allegations had

any validity, there certainly would be a history of complaints and

judgements against the product, and it would have been removed from the

market many years ago. Triclosan has recently been compared to " Agent

Orange " in toxicity. The EPA rates triclosan as " highly toxic " . The US FDA

made inspections of the Nutribiotic manufacturing facility back in the

1990's and found no chemical preservatives; and the formula is the same

today. Such rumours are false, and are not a threat to those armed with

accurate information. The test reports from Germany and Japan and the USDA

are certainly bothersome, but they have produced " false positives " , not

accurate profiles. The vast body of evidence from many years of use by

thousands of satisfied consumers, doctors, manufacturers, and veterinarians,

speaks most loudly against such reports. (The German report, linked above,

does suggest that some suppliers of " GSE " may, in fact, be fraudulent. But

Citricidal and NutriBiotic GSE are both proven, safe, and effective

products.). "

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

Re: GSE

It would be nice to know exactly which products they examined

and the results of each. I followed the link and those within,

but did not find this data.

Thanks,

-

[Guest guest]

We have used GSE in all forms - liquid, tablets and capsules for over

10 years now, with very good results for many things.

I had to wonder when I first heard the rumors about GSE is, who is

behind the allegations? I mean, who has something to gain by

discrediting GSE? I decided at the outset that we would continue to

use it and ignore the rumors.

Thanks for the info Sharon.

Debbie in TX

[Guest guest]

Why did you decide to ignore the rumors? Did you perhaps come to

some definitive conclusion regarding the benefit to the naysayers

of discrediting GSE?

Thanks,

-

> We have used GSE in all forms - liquid, tablets and capsules for over

> 10 years now, with very good results for many things.

>

> I had to wonder when I first heard the rumors about GSE is, who is

> behind the allegations? I mean, who has something to gain by

> discrediting GSE? I decided at the outset that we would continue to

> use it and ignore the rumors.

>

> Thanks for the info Sharon.

>

> Debbie in TX

[Guest guest]

> Why did you decide to ignore the rumors? Did you perhaps come to

> some definitive conclusion regarding the benefit to the naysayers

> of discrediting GSE?

>

> Thanks,

> -

Hi ,

Well, I tend not to make big changes in our lives based on reports,

hear say, etc. Especially with something that has such a good track

record.

Debbie in TX

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In a message dated 9/9/2005 9:57:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,

writes:

From: " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

Subject: grapefruit seed extract is not the best antifungal

Dear

I do not recommend grapefruit seed extract - there are much better

antifungals, i.e. raw garlic, oil of oregano, Pau D'arco tea, cloves &

clove oil - as listed in my article.

I know. : ) I just wanted to share the info since I sent what appears to be

false. Many take GSE for infections and not just candida. I'm on blood

thinner so can't have any kind of grapefruit. Grapefruit messes with many

medications for those who don't know.

[Guest guest]

I have used GSE and never experienced any bad effects from it. It does

seem to help with colds and other virus diseases and infections as well as

bacterial infections. If it does have any reported bad effects I won't use

it in the future.

Information on GSE that I've seen on a website indicates the estract of

the seeds is different than grapefruit and is OK to use with medications

like Lipitor, which forbids you from grapefruit while on it. I don't

know if that's true or not but I'll try to dig up the website where I saw

it.

Zack

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 ChrisW@... wrote:

>

> I know. : ) I just wanted to share the info since I sent what appears to be

> false. Many take GSE for infections and not just candida. I'm on blood

> thinner so can't have any kind of grapefruit. Grapefruit messes with many

> medications for those who don't know.

>

[Guest guest]

Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is a natural anti-biotic. If you go to

Google.com and research it you will find lots of info.

Also, Grapefruit Seed extract and Grapeseed Extract are 2 different things.

Alison, Chicago

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Subject: GSE

What is GSE. I have not been on this board that long and don't know any of

the abbreviations.. Sorry.

Diane