Re: Clarification needed -GABA dosing question - ANDY

[Guest guest]

It may be rational to try up to 250 mg per dose.

For adults it typically is 500-750 mg per dose, not day.

This makes it dramatically obvious you want either to get the EEG or have a

trial of some antiepileptic drug.

How you work that out with your spouse is your business, but a lot of neuros do

EEG's in the office and you could just go, have it ordered and done, and say the

DOCTOR TOLD YOU to do it! So you were a good little girl and did so (for once).

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

> As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as

I would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

>

> Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech has

been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose of

GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all. I

thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

>

> Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

>

> How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

>

> From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

>

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

Irene

Wow - that makes me want to look at my dose and up it. I have a son that just

isn't with you at all times. Very frustrating. Bright, great kid but often in

another world. I want him on this planet and " all " there. Very difficult for

the teachers too. He's like a light switch, on and off. There maybe more than

you think but doesn't appear so. He's in 5th grade, made the honor roll. He's

so proud of himself, me too. But it takes a team to keep him organize, make

sure everything is found and in place and turned in. He's like the absent

minded professor.

Tammy

[ ] Re: Clarification needed -GABA dosing question -

ANDY

It may be rational to try up to 250 mg per dose.

For adults it typically is 500-750 mg per dose, not day.

This makes it dramatically obvious you want either to get the EEG or have a

trial of some antiepileptic drug.

How you work that out with your spouse is your business, but a lot of neuros

do EEG's in the office and you could just go, have it ordered and done, and say

the DOCTOR TOLD YOU to do it! So you were a good little girl and did so (for

once).

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

> As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as I

would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

>

> Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech has

been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose of

GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all. I

thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

>

> Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA five

times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

>

> How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

>

> From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

>

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

Andy:

Does GABA help with behaviors?  Are there any side effects mentally or stomach

since alot of our kids have GI issues?  What would be a good dose to start for

an 11 yo boy?

Thanks

Jeanne

________________________________

From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...>

Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 2:13:39 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Clarification needed -GABA dosing question - ANDY

 

It may be rational to try up to 250 mg per dose.

For adults it typically is 500-750 mg per dose, not day.

This makes it dramatically obvious you want either to get the EEG or have a

trial of some antiepileptic drug.

How you work that out with your spouse is your business, but a lot of neuros do

EEG's in the office and you could just go, have it ordered and done, and say the

DOCTOR TOLD YOU to do it! So you were a good little girl and did so (for once).

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

> As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated,

>are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement, whatever.

>This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as I would

>have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds) and

>suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

>opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

>50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

>to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

>

> Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech has

>been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose of

>GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all. I

>thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

>this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

>gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

>figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

>try it again.

>

> Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

>engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

>son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

>posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

>throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five

>times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

>child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

>

>

> How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

>reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

>report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

>you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but

sedated.

>He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it

positively

>effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

>like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think

a

>higher dose might help him even more.

>

> From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

>question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

>

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

I think the point of Andy's answer is that any child with a positive response

such as this to GABA, should get an EEG and be placed on AED meds.

Abnormal brain activity, even in the absence of frank seizures can cause delays,

even an uneven or less than optimum response to chelation.

> >

> > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated,

> >are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement, whatever.

> >This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as I would

> >have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds) and

> >suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

> >opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25

-

> >50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you

want

> >to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> >

> > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech has

> >been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose of

> >GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all.

I

> >thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

> >this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

> >gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

> >figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why

not

> >try it again.

> >

> > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

> >engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

> >son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

> >posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

> >throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five

> >times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

> >child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> >

> >

> > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

> >reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

> >report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or

do

> >you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but

sedated.

> >He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it

positively

> >effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I

would

> >like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I

think a

> >higher dose might help him even more.

> >

> > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

> >question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> >

> > Irene

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Andy.

One further question; why would GABA suddenly make such a huge difference one

year later? Last year at low doses it simply made him stoned and had no positive

effect whatsoever. If there has been abnormal brain activity as the profound

positive effect GABA is having now would tend to indicate, surely it has been

there for some time.

Back at age 2 he had prolonged zone out moments which may well have been

absents, we just were told this was " typical autistic behavior " at the time.

After about 6 months to one year of chelation the zone out moments ceased. Is

this current GABA effect just the result of a year's more of metal removal from

the brain through chelation allowing supps to be better tolerated and utilized?

Also, can absents just go away after enough chelation but have caused damage

that is now seen in the form of abnormal activity which GABA is addressing at

least somewhat? Just trying to get a handle on this and understand it better.

I know I must tackle the EEG issue as soon as personal circumstances allow. At

least meanwhile GABA appears to help tremendously.

Irene

> >

> > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as

I would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> >

> > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech

has been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose

of GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all.

I thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

> >

> > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> >

> > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

> >

> > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> >

> > Irene

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

I just would like to confirm if i undurstand that right ?So my son have abnormal

EEG but not epilepsy no other sindroms as well no one can tell me why it is

abnormal just is abnormal with no sindroms looked for .I have been explaned that

autistic kids have left and right side of the brain working difrently but not

together and this is the reason for my son abnormal EEG .But is that mean i dont

need to do helation because my son will less,not benefit from it and will mak it

worst I did not get it or i just dont want to face it will i stop helatoin cos

is not ok for him as hi has abnormal EEG .And has been posted that i try with

him an antyseasures pill but i have never been recomend once so what i do i just

choose them my self .Im confused some one can explain to me if im on wrong

direction Please.

Ralitsa

From: ladyshrink222 <ladyshrink222@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Clarification needed -GABA dosing question - ANDY

Date: Saturday, 9 April, 2011, 20:25

 

I think the point of Andy's answer is that any child with a positive response

such as this to GABA, should get an EEG and be placed on AED meds.

Abnormal brain activity, even in the absence of frank seizures can cause delays,

even an uneven or less than optimum response to chelation.

> >

> > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated,

> >are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement, whatever.

> >This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as I would

> >have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds) and

> >suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

> >opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25

-

> >50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you

want

> >to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> >

> > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech has

> >been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose of

> >GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all.

I

> >thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

> >this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

> >gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

> >figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why

not

> >try it again.

> >

> > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

> >engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

> >son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

> >posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

> >throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five

> >times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

> >child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> >

> >

> > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

> >reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

> >report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or

do

> >you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but

sedated.

> >He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it

positively

> >effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I

would

> >like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I

think a

> >higher dose might help him even more.

> >

> > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

> >question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> >

> > Irene

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Irene,

I did an EEG for my son at two years old and it went pretty smooth. They talked

about sedation or putting him in a restraint jacket for the. Twenty mins we sat

in the chair. I told them I would just hold him and do our best. My son actually

let the lady put the 20 some electrodes on! Thanks to new apps on my phone he

sat still for the test (well maybe not still but we got the test done). Much

luck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, " iflow97 " <iflow97@...> wrote:

>

>

> Thank you, Andy.

>

> One further question; why would GABA suddenly make such a huge difference one

year later? Last year at low doses it simply made him stoned and had no positive

effect whatsoever. If there has been abnormal brain activity as the profound

positive effect GABA is having now would tend to indicate, surely it has been

there for some time.

>

> Back at age 2 he had prolonged zone out moments which may well have been

absents, we just were told this was " typical autistic behavior " at the time.

After about 6 months to one year of chelation the zone out moments ceased. Is

this current GABA effect just the result of a year's more of metal removal from

the brain through chelation allowing supps to be better tolerated and utilized?

Also, can absents just go away after enough chelation but have caused damage

that is now seen in the form of abnormal activity which GABA is addressing at

least somewhat? Just trying to get a handle on this and understand it better.

>

> I know I must tackle the EEG issue as soon as personal circumstances allow. At

least meanwhile GABA appears to help tremendously.

>

> Irene

>

>

> > >

> > > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as I

would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> > >

> > > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech

has been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose

of GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all.

I thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

> > >

> > > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA five

times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> > >

> > > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

> > >

> > > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> > >

> > > Irene

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

A lot of the problem with GABA is that it is metabolized into MSG, so some

people do great on it as a brain calming thing, some have it make their brains

more hyper, and some have it do nothing.

As kids grow - and more to the point get chelated - their metabolism of things

like GABA may well change.

Also maybe before you were using more but he was worse off so it still wasn't

enough to calm down whatever is happening, while now it is.

If you have any video of the 'zone out' behavior, show it to a doctor who says

he has personally observed people having absense seizures. They're pretty

obvious if you've seen them before, not at all easy to recognize if you have not

and only have a verbal description of what they look like.

There is a wide range between normal EEG patterns and the ones that go along

with actual seizures. The abnormal patterns that do not get bad enough to be

seizures still mess people up pretty well.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > >

> > > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as

I would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> > >

> > > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech

has been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose

of GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at all.

I thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day. I

gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

> > >

> > > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> > >

> > > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

> > >

> > > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> > >

> > > Irene

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Andy:

> Does GABA help with behaviors?

Sometimes. Sometimes not.

" behaviors' is a pretty general word. It's like asking whether medicine helps

with being sick.

>  Are there any side effects mentally or stomach

> since alot of our kids have GI issues?  What would be a good dose to start

for

> an 11 yo boy?

> Thanks

> Jeanne

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

[Guest guest]

>

> I think the point of Andy's answer is that any child with a positive response

such as this to GABA, should get an EEG and

if appropriate depending on the restult

>be placed on AED meds.

Yes, this is my opinion.

> Abnormal brain activity, even in the absence of frank seizures can cause

delays,

and all kinds of problems.

>even an uneven or less than optimum response to chelation.

I actually doubt that is literally true, though likely they'll be easier to

chelate and you'll do it more diligently once the problems are controlled.

>

>

>

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

[Guest guest]

Hello

This is very interesting for me as i know my son is good GABA responder and god

with helation we do see some changes already like more undurstanding and hi try

to speak more often (hi is non verbal)more apropriate behavior.His EEG is

abnormal so i would like to ask

How can i undurstand what is the cose of the abnormalities if someone have

expiriance and if his neuro didnot place him on AED how i can explain to him

that hi needs to be on AED (probably hi will kick me out).

Thank you all

> > > >

> > > > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as

I would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> > > >

> > > > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and

speech has been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first

dose of GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at

all. I thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks

like this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day.

I gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

> > > >

> > > > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to my

son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> > > >

> > > > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

> > > >

> > > > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to

this question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Irene

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As long as we are clarifying each other here, I may as well jump in.

I think what meant by less than optimum was that the child does not

progress in certain aspect as one might expect given the amount of chelation.

Tressie

> >

> > I think the point of Andy's answer is that any child with a positive

response such as this to GABA, should get an EEG and

>

> if appropriate depending on the restult

>

> >be placed on AED meds.

>

>

> Yes, this is my opinion.

>

> > Abnormal brain activity, even in the absence of frank seizures can cause

delays,

>

> and all kinds of problems.

>

> >even an uneven or less than optimum response to chelation.

>

> I actually doubt that is literally true, though likely they'll be easier to

chelate and you'll do it more diligently once the problems are controlled.

> >

> >

> >

>

> Andy

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[Guest guest]

Yes, it isn't that they won't improve at all but there are more than a few posts

where the parent is complaining of back and forth progress and regression where

Andy attributes the cause to abnormal brain waves/seizures.

I often wonder if the kids parents call " tough nuts " or nonresponders are

really kids that should be investigated for abnormal brain wave activity.

> > >

> > > I think the point of Andy's answer is that any child with a positive

response such as this to GABA, should get an EEG and

> >

> > if appropriate depending on the restult

> >

> > >be placed on AED meds.

> >

> >

> > Yes, this is my opinion.

> >

> > > Abnormal brain activity, even in the absence of frank seizures can cause

delays,

> >

> > and all kinds of problems.

> >

> > >even an uneven or less than optimum response to chelation.

> >

> > I actually doubt that is literally true, though likely they'll be easier to

chelate and you'll do it more diligently once the problems are controlled.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Andy

> >

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> >

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting Andy that you mention GABA can make the brain more hyper, I have

been giving just a little sprinkle on my sons tongue each day of the GABA,

working up very slowly. Just this last week he has become very very hyper, non

stop movement, bouncing off the walls, waking all night long worried about what

time it is, running to the bathroom to urinate every hour and his OCD/anxiety

are off the charts....

any thoughts if all of this could be due to the small amount of GABA I have been

giving him (maybe a whole capsule split througout the day)...

deborah

> > > > >

> > > > > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as

I would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and

speech has been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first

dose of GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at

all. I thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks

like this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day.

I gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming,

and engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to

my son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> > > > >

> > > > > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I

keep reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

> > > > >

> > > > > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to

this question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Irene

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What's strange is why the doctor would not do a trial of AED meds since his EEG

is abnormal. Any thoughts on taking the test results and going to someone else?

It would probably benefit him a lot. Since some kids with these issues tend to

plateau after a while and not make much progress until the abnormal electrical

activity or seizures are addressed.

I would mention to the doctor that his development is abnormal, he is not verbal

and he's not progressing along normally and you'd like to do a trial to address

his abnormal electrical activity to see if makes any difference in him or not.

ie: like it if will help his speech.

Jan

> > > > >

> > > > > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as

I would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and

speech has been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first

dose of GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at

all. I thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks

like this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day.

I gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming,

and engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to

my son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> > > > >

> > > > > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I

keep reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

> > > > >

> > > > > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to

this question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Irene

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The reasons for abnormality are usually heavy metals. So yes you do need to do

chelation and you can but its more beneficial and safe to to do so with him on

anti-seizure medication so his brain can work properly while you remove the

metals that are causing the problem in the first place. Doctors don't connect

mercury with abnormal brain function but it is connected. And that's why they

have no answers for you.

You would need to find a doctor who understands something about abnormal brain

activity and can select the right medication for your child.

Jan

> > >

> > > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated,

> > >are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever.

> > >This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as I

would

> > >have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds) and

> > >suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

> > >opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between

25 -

> > >50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you

want

> > >to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> > >

> > > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and speech

has

> > >been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first dose

of

> > >GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at

all. I

> > >thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks like

> > >this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day.

I

> > >gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

> > >figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why

not

> > >try it again.

> > >

> > > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming, and

> > >engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to

my

> > >son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

> > >posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

> > >throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five

> > >times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

> > >child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47

lbs.

> > >

> > >

> > > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I keep

> > >reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

> > >report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate,

or do

> > >you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but

sedated.

> > >He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it

positively

> > >effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I

would

> > >like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I

think a

> > >higher dose might help him even more.

> > >

> > > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer to this

> > >question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> > >

> > > Irene

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Only one way to find out...stop the GABA.

Jan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As chelation progresses we are seeing that things that were once not

tolerated, are suddenly well tolerated, whether it be a food, or a supplement,

whatever. This has been the case with GABA. When speech was not progressing as

I would have liked or expected after so much chelation (approaching 100 rounds)

and suspecting possible abnormal brain activity, (and facing total spousal

opposition to an EEG), I introduced GABA last year, very low dose between 25 -

50 mg a few times a day. On it my son seemed stoned, sedated, whatever you want

to call it, and it did nothing for him otherwise. So we stopped the GABA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Recently, I introduced GABA again. And the impact on behavior and

speech has been quite startling. In fact the day that I first gave him the first

dose of GABA, he was acting suddenly very hyper, stimmy and not speaking much at

all. I thought it was just yeast as we were on round and yeast usually looks

like this-but antifungals seemed to make no difference. We had company that day.

I gave him 100 mg of GABA with his multi mineral supplement that evening. I

figured he is approaching 125 rounds, and can tolerate more things, so why not

try it again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Within a fairly short amount of time, he sat down, stopped stimming,

and engaged our company in conversation. Everyone wanted to know what I did to

my son. The only thing different was the GABA. Thereafter, after reading your

posts, Andy, in the archives, it seems you must give this several times

throughout the day, every so many hours. We have been giving 100 mg of GABA

five times a day, which is from what I could glean the recommended dosing for a

child-100 mg several times a day. My son is soon to be six and weighs 47 lbs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How high can one dose GABA with a child? Is there an outer limit? I

keep reading posts of yours in the archives Andy, where you mention that adults

report sedative effects with GABA at around 500mg - is this an aggregate, or do

you mean per dose? My son is getting 500mg per day, and is anything but sedated.

He is much calmer, but it does not make him sleepy or anything and it positively

effects expressive language and social interaction especially it seems. I would

like to raise the dose, but I do not know by how much I can or should. I think a

higher dose might help him even more.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From searching the archives I could not get a handle on the answer

to this question and needed some clarification. Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Irene

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I posted a reply that appears to have gotten lost in cyberspace. It may show up

or not, so I thought I would summarize it.

Our experience does bear out that having suspected abnormal activity does slow

down normal development, and does make chelation more difficult.

In retrospect looking back at our chelation journey, in the early days our son's

prolonged " zone out " moments, which unbeknownst to us, were most probably

absents, explain why he was such a slow responder to chelation, why he could not

tolerate more than 3 mg of ALA for months on end, and why our stall lasted 9

long months. However, despite all of this, his zone out moments stopped after

the first year, and we have chelated with great success and luckily without any

major issues which could have occurred with this activity going on. He has made

amazing gains on the AC protect, some of which I have posted here.

I do believe however, that almost the full benefit can be realized from

chelation even under these circumstances - as Andy says it is just much harder

and more frustrating. In part due to our dogged determination and perseverance

of chelating for almost three years with little to no breaks, we have made great

progress on all fronts, and that despite this activity, we have achieved the

progress on all fronts one would expect or want from chelation - except as

regards expressive language, which now I see was impeded by the brain issues. We

have had several amazing times where the gains have come as if a switch has been

flipped, and these have been followed by some cyclical type ebbing - apparent

stalls. We chalked this up to viral cycles. My son does have multiple viral

issues, and anti virals have helped a lot with this -this may have been part of

the cause, and of course our GABA experience now provides an additional

explanation as well.

We have seriously reduced the metals in our son's brain I am convinced with the

help of Andy's protocol and we are forever grateful to you, Andy, for sharing it

and your knowledge with us. Our son bears no resemblance to the little 2 year

old boy who sat staring at the ceiling fan, totally non verbal and disconnected

with chronic gut issues. He has made such progress, that he is now a happy,

engaged boy, with a healing gut, who is so " normal " now in so many ways, despite

the fact that we unknowingly may have embarked on this journey unaware of other

serious neurological issues afoot.

I know he needs the EEG and possibly an AED, and intend to get it as soon as I

am able, even if I have to drag my spouse kicking and screaming. Meanwhile, we

have GABA working amazingly well for him, and now there is mostly " flowing " and

little to no " ebbing " , as it were, so I can feel comfortable continuing rounds

for the time being under these circumstances until we get the necessary testing

done.

Irene

> >

> > I think the point of Andy's answer is that any child with a positive

response such as this to GABA, should get an EEG and

>

> if appropriate depending on the restult

>

> >be placed on AED meds.

>

>

> Yes, this is my opinion.

>

> > Abnormal brain activity, even in the absence of frank seizures can cause

delays,

>

> and all kinds of problems.

>

> >even an uneven or less than optimum response to chelation.

>

> I actually doubt that is literally true, though likely they'll be easier to

chelate and you'll do it more diligently once the problems are controlled.

> >

> >

> >

>

> Andy

>

> www.noamalgam.com

>

> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

> www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

>

> www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

>