Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 I have seen some articles to the effect that NAC raises nitric oxide (NO) so is a vasodilator, and so can lower BP. Depending on what you're looking for, and your own constitutional tendencies, this may explain some of the effects +/- of NAC in the individual, unrelated to CPn. It might then be inappropriate for persons with high NO, overvasodilation and low BP to pursue the NAC especially in higher amounts. Carol Willis May 12, 2008 willis_protocols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Would this mean they should not use Immunotec which has Cysteine? Anne-- - In , " cbwillis9 " <cbwillis9@...> wrote: > > I have seen some articles to the effect that NAC raises > nitric oxide (NO) so is a vasodilator, and so can lower BP. > Depending on what you're looking for, and your own > constitutional tendencies, this may explain > some of the effects +/- of NAC in the individual, > unrelated to CPn. It might then be inappropriate for > persons with high NO, overvasodilation and low BP to > pursue the NAC especially in higher amounts. > > Carol Willis > May 12, 2008 > willis_protocols > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 " mothernaturerule " <anne_white53@...> wrote: > > Would this mean they should not use Immunotec > which has Cysteine? Anne-- Who is " they " ? A person high in nitric oxide and who is overvasodilated and has low BP? Then of course they want to avoid substances that foster nitric oxide, vasodilate and promote lower BP. Sorry, I'm not familiar with the product and ingredients you're speaking of. Plain cysteine is an amino acid. The earlier subject was NAC. Is this a whey product? Whey lowers BP, which is why some people have problems with it, if their BP is already too low. Whey products are best suited to the TCM Excess constitution. [ref: my article " TCM Excess vs. Deficient Constitution " , at url below.] Carol W. willis_protocols Articles in Files. Search also my msg archives on " whey " . " cbwillis9 " wrote: > > > > I have seen some articles to the effect that NAC raises > > nitric oxide (NO) so is a vasodilator, and so can lower BP. > > Depending on what you're looking for, and your own > > constitutional tendencies, this may explain > > some of the effects +/- of NAC in the individual, > > unrelated to CPn. It might then be inappropriate for > > persons with high NO, overvasodilation and low BP to > > pursue the NAC especially in higher amounts. > > > > Carol Willis > > May 12, 2008 > > willis_protocols > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 thnx; I did not know Whey lowered Blood Pressure; amazing isn't it ? www.immunotec.com The website says has Cystein; I guess it's plain cystein amino acid. A ps I was reading an article today how Vitamin C can prevent Pnemonia; I have a couple of good artlces to send on Vit. B-complex and Vit. C; > > > > > > I have seen some articles to the effect that NAC raises > > > nitric oxide (NO) so is a vasodilator, and so can lower BP. > > > Depending on what you're looking for, and your own > > > constitutional tendencies, this may explain > > > some of the effects +/- of NAC in the individual, > > > unrelated to CPn. It might then be inappropriate for > > > persons with high NO, overvasodilation and low BP to > > > pursue the NAC especially in higher amounts. > > > > > > Carol Willis > > > May 12, 2008 > > > willis_protocols > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Diane, Most of the CPn tests are pretty inaccurate other than, from what I have read at cpnhelp.org, the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota is good for diagnosis. I am from the UK where testing is even worse. It would be best for you to ask at cpnhelp. Mark Hall > > How accurate are tests for CPn? I'm doing so much better, lyme is under control, was treated for EBV and I'm pretty sure it's under control too. But there is still an energy deficit. I don't hurt anymore, brain works a lot better most of the time. I'm asking for myself, but for DH too as he is really feeling worse than I am. Thanks > diane in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Mark thanks for your reply. since you are in UK perhaps you won't be able to guide me here, but do you or does anyone else that has had experience w/ NAC have a suggested brand ... I'm sure they vary in quality? diane in MI Re: NAC Diane, Most of the CPn tests are pretty inaccurate other than, from what I have read at cpnhelp.org, the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota is good for diagnosis. I am from the UK where testing is even worse. It would be best for you to ask at cpnhelp. Mark Hall > > How accurate are tests for CPn? I'm doing so much better, lyme is under control, was treated for EBV and I'm pretty sure it's under control too. But there is still an energy deficit. I don't hurt anymore, brain works a lot better most of the time. I'm asking for myself, but for DH too as he is really feeling worse than I am. Thanks > diane in MI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1428 - Release Date: 5/12/2008 7:44 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 I think now that what I know about abx, I would only take them if I were sure I had Cpn, pneumonia, or something like TB. Looking back, I think probably half the time I took abx, I didn't need them, but my doc never really knew about the gut flora issue and NEVER mentioned probiotics. Mike C I forgot, were ou taking abx for the > mycoplasma? Now that your gut is better, would you take abx again > if you were found to have myco or chlamydia? > > Marti > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Mike, Marti I agree with you, or used to. Unless you'd include Lyme with cpn and TB.. .LOL I'd have chosen to take the longer road to recover from infections, using herbal remedies and the like before I'd take abx...until I got so sick I didn't figure the side effects of the abx could be any worse and maybe they'd help. I was in bad straights, though not as sick or sick for as long as so many here, and I don't want to make it sound like abx are the only answer as each one is different. For me, it was a miracle the job they did...along with the other parts of the protocol. I did not have leaky gut, before or after. But my FFC dr had me taking proactive supplements and I feel I was protected. Perhaps I'm not prone to such issues though either. I know some folks just can't take the abx, or have severe after effects. Diane in MI Re: NAC I think now that what I know about abx, I would only take them if I were sure I had Cpn, pneumonia, or something like TB. Looking back, I think probably half the time I took abx, I didn't need them, but my doc never really knew about the gut flora issue and NEVER mentioned probiotics. Mike C I forgot, were ou taking abx for the > mycoplasma? Now that your gut is better, would you take abx again > if you were found to have myco or chlamydia? > > Marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Marti, Not everyone on the protocol has a reaction from NAC - it all depends how many EB spores are in your blood at the time you take the NAC (remember, they change form all the time and NAC only gets to the CPn in one of it's 3 forms). Too be doubly sure the NAC kills the EB spores, you need to take the recommended doses of Vit E and Selenium seen here http://www.cpnhelp.org/publicimages/allsupplementschart.html As NAC is a precursor to Glutathione, you have to make sure that the NAC is giving priority to killing the CPn spores and not just replenishing Glutathione. Some people do not have a reaction to NAC, then start taking the Vit E and Selenium doses - then WHAM! - reaction. But a lot of people who don't have a reaction to it, start on the protocol anyway and find eventually that their symptoms improve anyway. If you get the " NAC flu " , it is almost certain that you have CPn infection. Some people also only get a reaction to the 2400mg daily of NAC. Yes, the PCR test is the only available test that I know of in the US, but unfortunately most labs do not do the test properly. Do a google on Mayo Clinic. Dr Stratton who is the original CPn doctor, says that this clinic is the only one he would recommend. All the docs on the protocol say that 2400mg NAC daily is perfectly safe to take for the rest of your life. All of the info is available at www.cpnhelp.org Mark Hall > Hi Mark, > Thank you for this information. I have been researching the cpn > website. > > Would it be safe to say that if you don't have a reaction to NAC, > that you don't have Cpn? Would that be any size dose or larger > doses that you mentioned? Is PCR the only way to be sure you have > this or are there other more available tests? > > Are there any long terms disadvantages to being on 2400mg NAC for > the long term? > > Thanks, > Marti > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 > > Marti, > > Not everyone on the protocol has a reaction from NAC - it all depends > how many EB spores are in your blood at the time you take the NAC > (remember, they change form all the time and NAC only gets to the CPn > in one of it's 3 forms). > All the docs on the protocol say that 2400mg NAC daily is perfectly > safe to take for the rest of your life. > > All of the info is available at www.cpnhelp.org > > Mark Hall > Thanks Mark, I reviewed the website over the weekend but I guess didn't catch these details. Thanks for responding. Well, one more thing to check. I will review the lab Dr. Stratton suggests as I didn't see that either. Thanks for keeping this on our radar. With my brain fog, I kept forgetting why NAC was affecting me and I kept thinking it was sulfur. I have it now. Thanks again, Marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 > > Mark > thanks for your reply. since you are in UK perhaps you won't be able to guide me here, but do you or does anyone else that has had experience w/ NAC have a suggested brand ... I'm sure they vary in quality? Hi Diane, I buy all my stuff at Swansons' (www.swansonsvitamins.com) and I have been very happy with the quality of the supplements. I went to them because I was broke (still am) but truly, I was impressed with quality. I react on 600mg of NAC from them. I don't know if I react to any other brands at such a low dose so I couldn't test this. Marti no financial ties to swansons (except $$ to them every month) maybe I should buy stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Thanks Marti. I'll check into Swansons' next. Diane in MI Re: NAC > > Mark > thanks for your reply. since you are in UK perhaps you won't be able to guide me here, but do you or does anyone else that has had experience w/ NAC have a suggested brand ... I'm sure they vary in quality? Hi Diane, I buy all my stuff at Swansons' (www.swansonsvitamins.com) and I have been very happy with the quality of the supplements. I went to them because I was broke (still am) but truly, I was impressed with quality. I react on 600mg of NAC from them. I don't know if I react to any other brands at such a low dose so I couldn't test this. Marti no financial ties to swansons (except $$ to them every month) maybe I should buy stock. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1430 - Release Date: 5/13/2008 7:31 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 NAC makes the body produce glutathione. Doctors use it in emergency cases of tylenol overdose to prevent liver damage because the glutathione protects the liver. If you've had no side effects yet it is unlikely to hurt you; if anything it's beneficial. That's a pretty small amount you're taking. Worry is unhealthy. Have you read up on the side-effects? Very, very minimal and pretty unusual for anything to happen. Sharon Hoehner www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen > > After reading the archives about NAC, it does not make any sense to me. > My doc told me to take NAC 600mg, 3 times a day, to prevent bronchitis, > after all that reading I just get scared and do not want to take this > at all, started yesterda with 1 dose of 500 mg. > > How bad and toxic is this stuff, in plain English please. > > Edy, who had breathing difficulties in this humid weather and moldy > Florida > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I am a worry head anyway , have been all my life LOL, I just do not like taking any pills at all, always have tried everything through diet , but that does not always work. And how is it taken this with also using Whey??? and what are safe doses , it is confusing as every site I go on , they tell you something different. Edy > > NAC makes the body produce glutathione. Doctors use it in emergency > cases of tylenol overdose to prevent liver damage because the > glutathione protects the liver. If you've had no side effects yet it > is unlikely to hurt you; if anything it's beneficial. That's a pretty > small amount you're taking. Worry is unhealthy. Have you read up on > the side-effects? Very, very minimal and pretty unusual for anything > to happen. > > Sharon Hoehner > www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 A little inside info -- The caveat with NAC (n-acetylcysteine) is that even though the liver sees some of it, it is being hydrolyzed to cysteine, which is a toxin. This is the main reason most doctors don't recognize it as a supplement, the other reason being that the liver gets it and most of the other cells see little or no glutathione increase. The other problem is that NAC only has a half life of about 4 hours so you need to dose every 4-5 hours or glutathione levels will plummet, sometimes to below original values. This stimulates infection of all types and also allows a lot of damage. (source: Dr. Jimmy Gutman's book Glutathione Your Most Powerful Healing Agent [obviously he's a proponent]) A decent maintenance dose would be 500 mg every four hours; the hospital might give 1000 mg every 4 hours. Duncan > > > > After reading the archives about NAC, it does not make any sense to me. > > My doc told me to take NAC 600mg, 3 times a day, to prevent bronchitis, > > after all that reading I just get scared and do not want to take this > > at all, started yesterda with 1 dose of 500 mg. > > > > How bad and toxic is this stuff, in plain English please. > > > > Edy, who had breathing difficulties in this humid weather and moldy > > Florida > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Edy, if you can take the whey, you can avoid using NAC, which is a drug, not a food product. Get Dr. Jimmy Gutman's book on glutathione; it'll be available used online... Duncan > > > > NAC makes the body produce glutathione. Doctors use it in emergency > > cases of tylenol overdose to prevent liver damage because the > > glutathione protects the liver. If you've had no side effects yet > it > > is unlikely to hurt you; if anything it's beneficial. That's a > pretty > > small amount you're taking. Worry is unhealthy. Have you read up > on > > the side-effects? Very, very minimal and pretty unusual for > anything > > to happen. > > > > Sharon Hoehner > > www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I took it for a while for detoxing. It did work. I also did dead sea salt with hydrogen peroxide baths (1 cup of each) - you can sub Epsom Salts for Dead Sea Salts if necessary. The brand of NAC I too was Pure Encapsulations. Steph NAC someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 how much did you take..the capsules seem to usually have 600 mg...and can you take it along with other supplements or along with iron?? i heard somewhere that it can leach minerals...so i am thinking she would only take it for a few weeks....also..one more question..she is now at 2.5 grains of NT....her body temp is still too low ....should we raise her to 3 and then wait the 3-4 weeks or should we sit at 2.5 grains for a few weeks and see....i feel like our thermometers are not reliable...we finally had to resort to digital basal thermometers and i just dont trust them!! i also do not feel she is optimized..her weight has stablized but she has not lost any weight and she plays basketball and has 2 practices a day....From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: NACiodine Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:54 AM I took it for a while for detoxing. It did work. I also did dead sea salt with hydrogen peroxide baths (1 cup of each) - you can sub Epsom Salts for Dead Sea Salts if necessary. The brand of NAC I too was Pure Encapsulations. Steph NAC someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 This is what I took http://organicpharmacy.org/products/NAC.(N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine).600.Mg/SKU:PE00189 1- 2x / day. If her temps are low then you need to raise after being on a dose for 3 weeks. I have issues with thermometers too. I just take it for a few days and get and idea of where we are that way. Steph NAC someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 You may also want to try Vitex (Chaste berry) tincture. It may take a bit for it to work completely (1-2 months) and one must be consistent in using it. It acts as a progesterone precursor. Many find that acne is eliminated or improves greatly. I use Vitex for teens who are demonstrating estrogen dominance rather than putting them on bio-identical progesterone. However, if we do not see results then we add small amounts of bio-identical progesterone cream. I am seeing more and more teens with estrogen dominance – girls and boys. The chemicals in which our children are being exposed are beginning to produce disease symptoms and imbalance at much younger ages. I was just speaking with a colleague last week about how we are now seeing more and more cancer presented in young adults 30 years and under – especially colon cancer. She should also be on a good organic multi-vitamin/mineral complex -- foundational for everyone no matter if they have health concerns or not. Clinical studies using Vitex extract show a reduction in headaches, breast tenderness, bloating, fatigue, cravings for sweets, and also feelings of anxiety, irritability, depression and mood swings, after only one month. Vitex tincture, at an average daily dose of 42 drops, was prescribed for 2447 women who had a variety of menstrual disorders, including PMS. Although this was an uncontrolled study, both patients and physicians reported that Vitex significantly improved symptoms. At the end of the study 31% of patients had complete relief of symptoms, and 55% reported significant improvement. " The doctors and patients were satisfied with the treatment in over 90% of cases, i.e., symptoms either disappeared altogether or were significantly improved. The good acceptability of the preparation is also shown by the long duration of the treatment, with a mean of 5 months, and up to 9 years in some cases...The tolerance is exceptional: only 2.3% of patients experienced unwanted effects with the treatment... " [1] Herbalists have used Vitex with much success in treating teenage acne. Well-known herbalist and author, Hobbs, finds Vitex very useful for treating teenage acne, preferably accompanied by changes in eating habits. " I have worked with some teenagers who had chronic acne for several years who were not willing to change their diet in any way. They felt attached to soft drinks, French fries, pizza and hamburgers, and no amount of logical discussion could change their minds. If Vitex can help in these cases, it seems likely to help in other cases where dietary improvements are possible, and in my experience it can help dramatically. I have given it to both young men and women with equal effectiveness. The remedy often takes from one to two months before it becomes fully active. " [2] Loch, E. Bohnert K.J. Peeters M, et al. " The treatment of menstrual disorders with Vitex agnus-castus tincture. " Der Frauenarzt. 1991. 32(8): pp.867-70. Hobbs, . Vitex: the women's herb. 2nd ed. 1996. Botanica Press. Be Well Dr.L From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dawn volz Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:50 AM iodine Subject: NAC someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I am so glad you mentioned Vitex. I use it and have been using it for 3 years now. I give myself a break during my period. However, I know for a fact that you have to use above 1000 mg if you are trying to lower prolactin and under 500mg if you are trying to up prolactin. I had a prolactin issue because of a chest wall sports injury. Nontheless, it is a wonderful natural solution for many female ailments. From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...>Subject: RE: NACiodine Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 2:13 PM You may also want to try Vitex (Chaste berry) tincture. It may take a bit for it to work completely (1-2 months) and one must be consistent in using it. It acts as a progesterone precursor. Many find that acne is eliminated or improves greatly. I use Vitex for teens who are demonstrating estrogen dominance rather than putting them on bio-identical progesterone. However, if we do not see results then we add small amounts of bio-identical progesterone cream. I am seeing more and more teens with estrogen dominance – girls and boys. The chemicals in which our children are being exposed are beginning to produce disease symptoms and imbalance at much younger ages. I was just speaking with a colleague last week about how we are now seeing more and more cancer presented in young adults 30 years and under – especially colon cancer. She should also be on a good organic multi-vitamin/ mineral complex -- foundational for everyone no matter if they have health concerns or not. Clinical studies using Vitex extract show a reduction in headaches, breast tenderness, bloating, fatigue, cravings for sweets, and also feelings of anxiety, irritability, depression and mood swings, after only one month. Vitex tincture, at an average daily dose of 42 drops, was prescribed for 2447 women who had a variety of menstrual disorders, including PMS. Although this was an uncontrolled study, both patients and physicians reported that Vitex significantly improved symptoms. At the end of the study 31% of patients had complete relief of symptoms, and 55% reported significant improvement. "The doctors and patients were satisfied with the treatment in over 90% of cases, i.e., symptoms either disappeared altogether or were significantly improved. The good acceptability of the preparation is also shown by the long duration of the treatment, with a mean of 5 months, and up to 9 years in some cases...The tolerance is exceptional: only 2.3% of patients experienced unwanted effects with the treatment..." [1] Herbalists have used Vitex with much success in treating teenage acne. Well-known herbalist and author, Hobbs, finds Vitex very useful for treating teenage acne, preferably accompanied by changes in eating habits. "I have worked with some teenagers who had chronic acne for several years who were not willing to change their diet in any way. They felt attached to soft drinks, French fries, pizza and hamburgers, and no amount of logical discussion could change their minds. If Vitex can help in these cases, it seems likely to help in other cases where dietary improvements are possible, and in my experience it can help dramatically. I have given it to both young men and women with equal effectiveness. The remedy often takes from one to two months before it becomes fully active." [2] Loch, E. Bohnert K.J. Peeters M, et al. "The treatment of menstrual disorders with Vitex agnus-castus tincture." Der Frauenarzt. 1991. 32(8): pp.867-70. Hobbs, . Vitex: the women's herb. 2nd ed. 1996. Botanica Press. Be WellDr.L From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of dawn volzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:50 AMiodinegroups (DOT) comSubject: NAC someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 What is prolactin responsible for? > > > From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...> > Subject: RE: NAC > iodine > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 2:13 PM > > >  > > > > > > You may also want to try Vitex (Chaste berry) tincture.  It may take a bit for it to work completely (1-2 months) and one must be consistent in using it. It acts as a progesterone precursor. Many find that acne is eliminated or improves greatly. I use Vitex for teens who are demonstrating estrogen dominance rather than putting them on bio-identical progesterone. However, if we do not see results then we add small amounts of bio-identical progesterone cream. I am seeing more and more teens with estrogen dominance †" girls and boys. The chemicals in which our children are being exposed are beginning to produce disease symptoms and imbalance at much younger ages. I was just speaking with a colleague last week about how we are now seeing more and more cancer presented in young adults 30 years and under †" especially colon cancer. > > She should also be on a good organic multi-vitamin/ mineral complex -- foundational for everyone no matter if they have health concerns or not. >  > Clinical studies using Vitex extract show a reduction in headaches, breast tenderness, bloating, fatigue, cravings for sweets, and also feelings of anxiety, irritability, depression and mood swings, after only one month. Vitex tincture, at an average daily dose of 42 drops, was prescribed for 2447 women who had a variety of menstrual disorders, including PMS. Although this was an uncontrolled study, both patients and physicians reported that Vitex significantly improved symptoms. At the end of the study 31% of patients had complete relief of symptoms, and 55% reported significant improvement. " The doctors and patients were satisfied with the treatment in over 90% of cases, i.e., symptoms either disappeared altogether or were significantly improved. The good acceptability of the preparation is also shown by the long duration of the treatment, with a mean of 5 months, and up to 9 years in some cases...The tolerance is exceptional: only 2.3% of patients > experienced unwanted effects with the treatment... " [1] >  > Herbalists have used Vitex with much success in treating teenage acne. Well-known herbalist and author, Hobbs, finds Vitex very useful for treating teenage acne, preferably accompanied by changes in eating habits. " I have worked with some teenagers who had chronic acne for several years who were not willing to change their diet in any way. They felt attached to soft drinks, French fries, pizza and hamburgers, and no amount of logical discussion could change their minds. If Vitex can help in these cases, it seems likely to help in other cases where dietary improvements are possible, and in my experience it can help dramatically. I have given it to both young men and women with equal effectiveness. The remedy often takes from one to two months before it becomes fully active. " [2] >  > > Loch, E. Bohnert K.J. Peeters M, et al. " The treatment of menstrual disorders with Vitex agnus-castus tincture. " Der Frauenarzt. 1991. 32(8): pp.867-70. > Hobbs, . Vitex: the women's herb. 2nd ed. 1996. Botanica Press. > Be Well > Dr.L > > > > > > From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of dawn volz > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:50 AM > iodinegroups (DOT) com > Subject: NAC >  > > > > > someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 This is a good article. Prolactin HormoneProlactin is a hormone that is secreted by both men and women. It is released by your pituitary gland, an organ responsible for regulating many of your body’s functions, including reproduction. The pituitary gland is a small, bean-shaped organ located in the middle of your brain. Your pituitary gland releases prolactin on a daily basis, both in the morning and throughout the night. Certain activities like sexual intercourse and exercise also cause your pituitary gland to release prolactin. Hormones Regulating ProlactinProlactin is actually regulated by other hormones that your body produces. These include: dopamine (which blocks prolactin) serotonin ( which triggers prolactin release) thyroid-producing hormone (which also triggers prolactin) What Does Prolactin Do?In women, the role of prolactin is fairly clear: it is released in order to stimulate milk production during pregnancy. Prolactin causes the mammary glands in a woman’s breasts to enlarge, and upon birth, prolactin encourages the formation of milk. Unfortunately, it is unclear what role prolactin plays in men. However, it is evident that prolactin and infertility are linked. Effects on Male FertilityLike prolactin infertility in women, prolactin can also affect male fertility. In fact, if you have too much prolactin in your blood stream it can cause you to become infertile. High prolactin levels have an adverse affect on the function of your testicles, and can cause decreased testosterone levels or abnormal sperm. This can cause serious problems when it comes time to conceive. Normal prolactin levels in men are typically less than 15 ng/mL. Elevated prolactin may indicate a condition called hyperprolactinemia, and this could account for your fertility difficulties. HyperprolactinemiaYou can be diagnosed with hyperprolactinemia when you have more than 15 ng/mL of prolactin in your bloodstream. Symptoms of excess prolactin are often internal and difficult to see. Symptoms can include: decreased sperm count hypogonadism (in which your testes do not produce the right amounts of testosterone) decreased sex drive impotence If you have hyperprolactinemia, you will probably show few outward signs, making diagnosis difficult. However, some men with the condition do develop gynecomastia, a condition in which the breasts enlarge and look similar to a woman’s. This is a often a sign of high levels of prolactin. Causes of High Prolactic LevelsElevated prolactin levels in men are usually the result of overactive prolactin cells in the pituitary gland. These cells begin to grow into a tumor, called a prolactinoma, on your pituitary gland. Prolactinomas secrete prolactin hormone, and, as a result, can lead to extremely high levels of the hormone in your body. Prolactinomas in men are often larger than in women, mostly because the symptoms of the disorder are more difficult to recognize in men. In fact, prolactinomas can grow up to 5 cm in width and, if untreated, can leave you permanently infertile. Symptoms of prolactinoma include: sexual dysfunction loss of sex drive decrease in body hair fatigue depression headaches or vision loss (as the tumor presses against the optic nerve in your brain) Other CausesOccasionally, other factors may play a role in elevating your prolactin levels. These include: prescription medications (like antidepressants and opiates) thyroid disease shingles Treatment for Prolactin IrregularitiesIf you have hyperprolactinemia that is affecting your fertility, there are treatments available to you. Speak with your health care provider about your options. Dopamine-producing medication: these medications can lower prolactin levels and shrink prolactinomas. They often restore fertility. Surgery: surgery is sometimes used to reduce the size of a prolactinoma. From: Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...>Subject: Re: NACiodine Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 5:46 PM What is prolactin responsible for?> > > From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@ ...>> Subject: RE: NAC> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 2:13 PM> > >  > > > > > > You may also want to try Vitex (Chaste berry) tincture.  It may take a bit for it to work completely (1-2 months) and one must be consistent in using it. It acts as a progesterone precursor. Many find that acne is eliminated or improves greatly. I use Vitex for teens who are demonstrating estrogen dominance rather than putting them on bio-identical progesterone. However, if we do not see results then we add small amounts of bio-identical progesterone cream. I am seeing more and more teens with estrogen dominance â€" girls and boys. The chemicals in which our children are being exposed are beginning to produce disease symptoms and imbalance at much younger ages. I was just speaking with a colleague last week about how we are now seeing more and more cancer presented in young adults 30 years and under â€" especially colon cancer. > > She should also be on a good organic multi-vitamin/ mineral complex -- foundational for everyone no matter if they have health concerns or not.>  > Clinical studies using Vitex extract show a reduction in headaches, breast tenderness, bloating, fatigue, cravings for sweets, and also feelings of anxiety, irritability, depression and mood swings, after only one month. Vitex tincture, at an average daily dose of 42 drops, was prescribed for 2447 women who had a variety of menstrual disorders, including PMS. Although this was an uncontrolled study, both patients and physicians reported that Vitex significantly improved symptoms. At the end of the study 31% of patients had complete relief of symptoms, and 55% reported significant improvement. "The doctors and patients were satisfied with the treatment in over 90% of cases, i.e., symptoms either disappeared altogether or were significantly improved. The good acceptability of the preparation is also shown by the long duration of the treatment, with a mean of 5 months, and up to 9 years in some cases...The tolerance is exceptional: only 2.3% of patients> experienced unwanted effects with the treatment... " [1]>  > Herbalists have used Vitex with much success in treating teenage acne. Well-known herbalist and author, Hobbs, finds Vitex very useful for treating teenage acne, preferably accompanied by changes in eating habits. "I have worked with some teenagers who had chronic acne for several years who were not willing to change their diet in any way. They felt attached to soft drinks, French fries, pizza and hamburgers, and no amount of logical discussion could change their minds. If Vitex can help in these cases, it seems likely to help in other cases where dietary improvements are possible, and in my experience it can help dramatically. I have given it to both young men and women with equal effectiveness. The remedy often takes from one to two months before it becomes fully active." [2]>  > > Loch, E. Bohnert K.J. Peeters M, et al. "The treatment of menstrual disorders with Vitex agnus-castus tincture." Der Frauenarzt. 1991. 32(8): pp.867-70. > Hobbs, . Vitex: the women's herb. 2nd ed. 1996. Botanica Press.> Be Well> Dr.L> > > > > > From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of dawn volz> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:50 AM> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Subject: NAC>  > > > > > someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dr. Loretta, I have a 17 y/o DD with Downs, who also has some angry looking acne & PMS (Big time). I have no idea about her estrogen or progesterone levels but I would like to start her on Vitex ASAP. She weighs 85 lbs. What would her dose be? Is it necessary to have hormone levels done? BGod Bless America!One nation under God RE: NAC You may also want to try Vitex (Chaste berry) tincture. It may take a bit for it to work completely (1-2 months) and one must be consistent in using it. It acts as a progesterone precursor. Many find that acne is eliminated or improves greatly. I use Vitex for teens who are demonstrating estrogen dominance rather than putting them on bio-identical progesterone. However, if we do not see results then we add small amounts of bio-identical progesterone cream. I am seeing more and more teens with estrogen dominance – girls and boys. The chemicals in which our children are being exposed are beginning to produce disease symptoms and imbalance at much younger ages. I was just speaking with a colleague last week about how we are now seeing more and more cancer presented in young adults 30 years and under – especially colon cancer. She should also be on a good organic multi-vitamin/mineral complex -- foundational for everyone no matter if they have health concerns or not. Clinical studies using Vitex extract show a reduction in headaches, breast tenderness, bloating, fatigue, cravings for sweets, and also feelings of anxiety, irritability, depression and mood swings, after only one month. Vitex tincture, at an average daily dose of 42 drops, was prescribed for 2447 women who had a variety of menstrual disorders, including PMS. Although this was an uncontrolled study, both patients and physicians reported that Vitex significantly improved symptoms. At the end of the study 31% of patients had complete relief of symptoms, and 55% reported significant improvement. "The doctors and patients were satisfied with the treatment in over 90% of cases, i.e., symptoms either disappeared altogether or were significantly improved. The good acceptability of the preparation is also shown by the long duration of the treatment, with a mean of 5 months, and up to 9 years in some cases...The tolerance is exceptional: only 2.3% of patients experienced unwanted effects with the treatment..." [1] Herbalists have used Vitex with much success in treating teenage acne. Well-known herbalist and author, Hobbs, finds Vitex very useful for treating teenage acne, preferably accompanied by changes in eating habits. "I have worked with some teenagers who had chronic acne for several years who were not willing to change their diet in any way. They felt attached to soft drinks, French fries, pizza and hamburgers, and no amount of logical discussion could change their minds. If Vitex can help in these cases, it seems likely to help in other cases where dietary improvements are possible, and in my experience it can help dramatically. I have given it to both young men and women with equal effectiveness. The remedy often takes from one to two months before it becomes fully active." [2] Loch, E. Bohnert K.J. Peeters M, et al. "The treatment of menstrual disorders with Vitex agnus-castus tincture." Der Frauenarzt. 1991. 32(8): pp.867-70. Hobbs, . Vitex: the women's herb. 2nd ed. 1996. Botanica Press. Be WellDr.L From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dawn volzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:50 AMiodine Subject: NAC someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.52/2298 - Release Date: 08/12/09 06:09:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 That is a good article, thanks. > > > > > > From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@ ...> > > Subject: RE: NAC > > iodinegroups (DOT) com > > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 2:13 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also want to try Vitex (Chaste berry) tincture.  It may take a bit for it to work completely (1-2 months) and one must be consistent in using it. It acts as a progesterone precursor. Many find that acne is eliminated or improves greatly. I use Vitex for teens who are demonstrating estrogen dominance rather than putting them on bio-identical progesterone. However, if we do not see results then we add small amounts of bio-identical progesterone cream. I am seeing more and more teens with estrogen dominance †" girls and boys. The chemicals in which our children are being exposed are beginning to produce disease symptoms and imbalance at much younger ages. I was just speaking with a colleague last week about how we are now seeing more and more cancer presented in young adults 30 years and under †" especially colon cancer. > > > > She should also be on a good organic multi-vitamin/ mineral complex -- foundational for everyone no matter if they have health concerns or not. > >  > > Clinical studies using Vitex extract show a reduction in headaches, breast tenderness, bloating, fatigue, cravings for sweets, and also feelings of anxiety, irritability, depression and mood swings, after only one month. Vitex tincture, at an average daily dose of 42 drops, was prescribed for 2447 women who had a variety of menstrual disorders, including PMS. Although this was an uncontrolled study, both patients and physicians reported that Vitex significantly improved symptoms. At the end of the study 31% of patients had complete relief of symptoms, and 55% reported significant improvement. " The doctors and patients were satisfied with the treatment in over 90% of cases, i.e., symptoms either disappeared altogether or were significantly improved. The good acceptability of the preparation is also shown by the long duration of the treatment, with a mean of 5 months, and up to 9 years in some cases...The tolerance is exceptional: only 2.3% of patients > > experienced unwanted effects with the treatment... " [1] > >  > > Herbalists have used Vitex with much success in treating teenage acne. Well-known herbalist and author, Hobbs, finds Vitex very useful for treating teenage acne, preferably accompanied by changes in eating habits. " I have worked with some teenagers who had chronic acne for several years who were not willing to change their diet in any way. They felt attached to soft drinks, French fries, pizza and hamburgers, and no amount of logical discussion could change their minds. If Vitex can help in these cases, it seems likely to help in other cases where dietary improvements are possible, and in my experience it can help dramatically. I have given it to both young men and women with equal effectiveness. The remedy often takes from one to two months before it becomes fully active. " [2] > >  > > > > Loch, E. Bohnert K.J. Peeters M, et al. " The treatment of menstrual disorders with Vitex agnus-castus tincture. " Der Frauenarzt. 1991. 32(8): pp.867-70. > > Hobbs, . Vitex: the women's herb. 2nd ed. 1996. Botanica Press. > > Be Well > > Dr.L > > > > > > > > > > > > From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of dawn volz > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:50 AM > > iodinegroups (DOT) com > > Subject: NAC > >  > > > > > > > > > > someone suggested my daughter try NAC for her acne (possible bromide detox)....has anyone taken that and does it interfere with other supplements she is taking such as iron, magnesium, vitamin c, selenium, iodine etc....her face is broken out and i am not sure it is iodine or not..she has hashis and takes NT as well..thanks > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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